Nguyễn Vương Chung là một chuyên gia trong lĩnh vực UX/UI. Anh hiện là Head of Design tại Seal Commerce, người xây dựng cộng đồng UXVN, Leader của UX Mentorship Program, và là Founder của UX Foundation. 

Trong tập 11 của podcast Người Trong Muôn Nghề, chúng ta sẽ có cơ hội được trò chuyện cùng anh về nghề UX/UI, cũng như những lời khuyên về học tập và phát triển sự nghiệp bền vững.

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Người Trong Muôn Nghề SS2 Ep 11

Host: Trần Việt Anh - Founder & CEO Spiderum
Guest: Nguyễn Vương Chung - Head of Design at Seal Commerce, Founder of UX Foundation
Production: Spiderum team
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What are the most important things to learn in the game?

I think to learn something, you have to fight.

If you look back at the past, when you started, compared to now, what are the differences between you and the other players?

When talking about development, I usually talk about the next step.

I think the most important thing is to have the right mindset.

1 of the things that I didn't have in the past, but later I realized that it was a very important thing for the current generation, is the focus.

Everyone knows the story of the rabbit and the turtle, but I realized that the older I get, the more I understand.

But it has a point, and it moves forward and back.

It runs here a little, it runs there a little.

I didn't understand anything when I was a kid.

But after I observed, I realized that most people are just rabbits.

They do well in the short term, they can make a video, they can sing well, or say something extraordinary, but they are not focused.

And everything, every little thing, and all their energy is scattered.

So I realized that I need to focus to reach the highest efficiency that's why everything around you is about UX you will have a community about UX you will have classes about UX teams about UX and everything is around you and it will be a compound effect when you do something, other things will be benefited and you will be developed in all those environments that is the most important point, focus the second point is the most objective because when you write, that is a goal you want to achieve the most important thing is not a matter of 1 or 2 months, but a matter of 10 years, whether you keep going or not.

If you know that is your goal, but today you go like this, tomorrow you give up a little bit, then it's not worth it.

You want to be a turtle, you want to see a goal, and you keep going, going, going, going.

That's how I've been going for many years.

I don't think I'm going to make it faster.

For example, I used to be in a reading group.

In the past, I discovered a problem of children.

That is, 1 of the theories when doing this job is related to problem solving.

So you will always see where the problem is.

In the past, when I read books, I found out that there was a problem that people checked in too much.

People just scrolled through those books but they didn't really get the information.

So I found out that I read less books, but what I say in that book is mine.

It's not that I'm criticizing or anything, I just mentioned that I've read that book.

So I had a period of reading regularly every week with a small group.

And there are books that I read for 3 years to finish.

For example, each chapter is only about 30 pages.

But I can save about 3 million VND per week to analyze a chapter like that.

And I keep doing it like that and maintain quite a lot of activities.

In other words, I will turn all my activities into routines.

Until the time I have to do it, until the time I have to do it, until the time I have to do it.

So my journey is a journey with a goal and you keep going, going, going, and doing many things together to reach that goal.

I think that's the most important change that you haven't had 7-8 years ago.

Because, for example, 7-8 years ago, when we met, I started to do Spyro Now I still do Spyro I think if we look at it from our perspective From the past to now, the things I do and the things I do now are quite different.

But it still stands on a common value chain.

It still relates to the story of doing things.

I am a first-generation community, and I am a second-generation content creator.

The more I realize that I don't need to rush.

During the 7-8 years, I had many opportunities.

I could see around me, when I had to move up and down.

But in the end, I realized that for example, now, I feel that my foundation is still there.

I know how to handle and approach things within the framework of the story.

For me, a startup is a content, a community, etc.

I feel that I always approach it in a fairly normal way.

always shape the process very quickly or the way to do it very effectively.

I think this is what I also see, for example, people who may be too fast or too fast sometimes fall into a state where they are not satisfied with slow things.

And when you are slow, you have to jump to do something else.

Or I will think that everything is too complicated.

While in fact, I have been doing this for 7-8 years.

I realize that at some point, the simpler the problem is, the more effective it is.

Sometimes, the simplest solution is the most difficult to come up with.

For example, the color of American flowers in the book of phoenix, It's like what you said earlier, it's like you read a book and you quote a poem.

You don't apply it to your own situation.

And that's what I think is really important.

And maybe a lot of people, not just you, maybe our brothers, older people, they will not recognize it.

People often think that I do this job to get more skills and I will edit videos for 10 years and I will be able to edit it to the best of my ability.

But actually, for me, it's like the saying of Ly The Long which is, let go of the stone, forget the clock.

So sometimes I try to love myself more and gradually I do everything.

It looked very simple, but in reality, the difference was only a little bit, a moment, but I kept pushing, I kept increasing, increasing, increasing, and it was a very big difference.

really like, but at the beginning I didn't realize.

At the beginning, when we first met, I didn't know.

But later I realized that it was very suitable for me.

Because we follow the law of content, right?

The long articles, the short posts can only be watched by a few people.

But the important thing is that those who have accepted to read those content will be quite stick with that kind of content.

It may be a bit boring, but it may have a deeper meaning.

For example, now, when I create a website, 1 of the principles that people usually talk about design, is that the user can scan the information quickly, and they can design quickly.

I didn't want to make it so that 1 person just randomly scrolled through and everyone scanned the information and then saw what it was.

Actually, I would like to say, if you are patient enough to read 3000 words like this, maybe you will fit in this class.

That's why I do it completely different from other people.

I even create a lot of barriers for people to register.

But today I also share with you because I realize that people who like it I mean, what I'm saying is that I want to be a student.

I didn't want to be a student, but I was ready to go to online classes.

I was late until 12 and I was kicked out.

I'm telling them what I'm doing, how I'm solving a problem.

It's not like I'm teaching someone, it's more like I'm sharing.

And it becomes a very meaningful time for me.

Meeting people that I feel are meaningful, they are trying to come here and say things that I believe in.

That's 1 of the reasons I can use my energy to do a lot I always create a good feeling when I do my job That's how I do it It's very related to the fact that long form content helps me to make my friends less rich

It's reasonable Sometimes it's a creation you have to understand the rules to break them.

I understand your situation, because I know a lot of teachers Even my wife, she teaches dance A lot of people will complain For example, if I teach The most difficult thing for a teacher is not about whether the students are poor or not.

difficult thing is that they come and don't want to study.

I want to teach, I want to develop, I want to teach.

But of course, there are people who are nervous about this and that.

When I talk to many teachers, I realize that it's a common feature.

People will feel that it's the thing that makes them lose the most energy.

And sometimes, when I teach, many people don't teach about income or money.

Actually, Teaching is a way to learn and develop.


Speaker 0: What are the most important things to learn in the game?

Speaker 1: I think to learn something, you have to fight. If you look back at the past, when you started, compared to now, what are the differences between you and the other players?

Speaker 2: When talking about development, I usually talk about the next step. I think the most important thing is to have the right mindset. 1 of the things that I didn't have in the past, but later I realized that it was a very important thing for the current generation, is the focus. Everyone knows the story of the rabbit and the turtle, but I realized that the older I get, the more I understand. Like the turtle and the rabbit.

The turtle is very slow. But it has a point, and it moves forward and back. The rabbit is very good. It runs here a little, it runs there a little. I didn't understand anything when I was a kid.

But after I observed, I realized that most people are just rabbits. They do well in the short term, they can make a video, they can sing well, or say something extraordinary, but they are not focused. And everything, every little thing, and all their energy is scattered. So I realized that I need to focus to reach the highest efficiency that's why everything around you is about UX you will have a community about UX you will have classes about UX teams about UX and everything is around you and it will be a compound effect when you do something, other things will be benefited and you will be developed in all those environments that is the most important point, focus the second point is the most objective because when you write, that is a goal you want to achieve the most important thing is not a matter of 1 or 2 months, but a matter of 10 years, whether you keep going or not. If you know that is your goal, but today you go like this, tomorrow you give up a little bit, then it's not worth it.

You want to be a turtle, you want to see a goal, and you keep going, going, going, going. That's how I've been going for many years. I don't think I'm going to make it faster. I just think it's a kind of persistence. After I have a goal, I keep doing it.

I find a way. For example, I used to be in a reading group. I'll speak louder, more romantic. I have a question for you. In the past, I discovered a problem of children.

That is, 1 of the theories when doing this job is related to problem solving. So you will always see where the problem is. In the past, when I read books, I found out that there was a problem that people checked in too much. People just scrolled through those books but they didn't really get the information. Because I experienced it myself, I know.

So I found out that I read less books, but what I say in that book is mine. It's not that I'm criticizing or anything, I just mentioned that I've read that book. So I had a period of reading regularly every week with a small group. Everyone read together. And there are books that I read for 3 years to finish.

Because I read 1 chapter every week. I read it over and over again. For example, each chapter is only about 30 pages. But I can save about 3 million VND per week to analyze a chapter like that. And I keep doing it like that and maintain quite a lot of activities.

In other words, I will turn all my activities into routines. Until the time I have to do it, until the time I have to do it, until the time I have to do it. To avoid stopping. So my journey is a journey with a goal and you keep going, going, going, and doing many things together to reach that goal. I think that's the most important change that you haven't had 7-8 years ago.

Speaker 1: I quite share that view. Because, for example, 7-8 years ago, when we met, I started to do Spyro Now I still do Spyro I think if we look at it from our perspective From the past to now, the things I do and the things I do now are quite different. But it still stands on a common value chain. It still relates to the story of doing things. I am a first-generation community, and I am a second-generation content creator.

The more I realize that I don't need to rush. During the 7-8 years, I had many opportunities. I could see around me, when I had to move up and down. I was afraid of it. I felt like I was falling slowly.

But in the end, I realized that for example, now, I feel that my foundation is still there. I know how to handle and approach things within the framework of the story. For me, a startup is a content, a community, etc. I feel that I always approach it in a fairly normal way.

Speaker 0: I can

Speaker 1: always shape the process very quickly or the way to do it very effectively. I think this is what I also see, for example, people who may be too fast or too fast sometimes fall into a state where they are not satisfied with slow things. And when you are slow, you have to jump to do something else. I have to make everything... Or I will think that everything is too complicated.

While in fact, I have been doing this for 7-8 years. I realize that at some point, the simpler the problem is, the more effective it is. Sometimes, the simplest solution is the most difficult to come up with. For example, the color of American flowers in the book of phoenix, It's like what you said earlier, it's like you read a book and you quote a poem. You don't apply it to your own situation.

And that's what I think is really important. And maybe a lot of people, not just you, maybe our brothers, older people, they will not recognize it. People often think that I do this job to get more skills and I will edit videos for 10 years and I will be able to edit it to the best of my ability. But actually, for me, it's like the saying of Ly The Long which is, let go of the stone, forget the clock. So sometimes I try to love myself more and gradually I do everything.

It looked very simple, but in reality, the difference was only a little bit, a moment, but I kept pushing, I kept increasing, increasing, increasing, and it was a very big difference. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2: Spiral Room has a value

Speaker 0: that I

Speaker 2: really like, but at the beginning I didn't realize. At the beginning, when we first met, I didn't know. But later I realized that it was very suitable for me. Because we follow the law of content, right? The long articles, the short posts can only be watched by a few people.

But the important thing is that those who have accepted to read those content will be quite stick with that kind of content. It may be a bit boring, but it may have a deeper meaning. So, that has a lot of impact on me. For example, now, when I create a website, 1 of the principles that people usually talk about design, is that the user can scan the information quickly, and they can design quickly. I can do all of that.

I write 3,000 words in this page. All words. I try to make it really long. I don't want to make it short. I didn't want to make it so that 1 person just randomly scrolled through and everyone scanned the information and then saw what it was.

Actually, I would like to say, if you are patient enough to read 3000 words like this, maybe you will fit in this class. That's why I do it completely different from other people. They can do more marketing, but I don't. I don't do anything like that. I even create a lot of barriers for people to register.

It's more difficult. So my way is quite the opposite. But today I also share with you because I realize that people who like it I mean, what I'm saying is that I want to be a student. I didn't want to be a student, but I was ready to go to online classes. I could go from 7 to 10.

1 day, I was late. I was late until 12 and I was kicked out. Online classes were similar. I enjoyed the process. It was like I was sharing right now.

I'm telling them what I'm doing, how I'm solving a problem. It's not like I'm teaching someone, it's more like I'm sharing. And it becomes a very meaningful time for me. Meeting people that I feel are meaningful, they are trying to come here and say things that I believe in. That's 1 of the reasons I can use my energy to do a lot I always create a good feeling when I do my job That's how I do it It's very related to the fact that long form content helps me to make my friends less rich

Speaker 1: It's reasonable Sometimes it's a creation you have to understand the rules to break them. I see it that way. I understand your situation, because I know a lot of teachers Even my wife, she teaches dance A lot of people will complain For example, if I teach The most difficult thing for a teacher is not about whether the students are poor or not. I think so. Because I used to teach English.

Speaker 2: The students don't want to study. Yes, the most

Speaker 1: difficult thing is that they come and don't want to study. They are nervous. I feel sorry for my friend. I want to teach, I want to develop, I want to teach. But of course, there are people who are nervous about this and that.

They never try their best. I don't understand what they do. When I talk to many teachers, I realize that it's a common feature. People will feel that it's the thing that makes them lose the most energy. And sometimes, when I teach, many people don't teach about income or money.

Actually, it's to build a connection. Actually, Teaching is a way to learn and develop. You

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