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You don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on. Right? What's wrong is always available, so is what's right. Right? And there are different kinds of focus.

And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it. You know, he hadn't taken care of his family, there's no money for Thanksgiving, somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean? ♪

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose, the number 1 health podcast in the world, thanks to each and every single 1 of you that come back every week to listen, learn, and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that I've wanted to sit down with ever since I was a very young boy, and it's extremely special to me to have this opportunity. I grew up in a home where I was surrounded by his books, his cassettes, his CDs. My father would be diving into them, playing them in the car, wherever he possibly could.

And I was surrounded by this man's wisdom. And it had an impact on me, both internally, externally, and in so many ways. And today I've had the great fortune of sitting with him for this podcast and this interview. I'm speaking about a man who needs no introduction but is recently the number 1 New York Times bestselling author of this book, Life Force, the 1 and only Tony Robbins. Tony, I am so honored, humbled, and grateful to be in your presence.

Thank you, brother. Thanks for coming to visit.

To be in your home, you've opened up your home today. This is the first time we brought On Purpose out into the wild.

Ah, I'm honored.

For a guest to be with you. But we're in your beautiful home that you've graciously, and Sage was just an amazing host and welcomed me so beautifully. And I want everyone to know also that I came here expecting that we were going to do a podcast. Tony, of course, is 1 of the busiest humans on the planet. We just sat down and we spent nearly an hour together just connecting and talking because of his kindness and generosity.

I want people to know that.

I love the work you're doing. I want to hear more about it. It's gorgeous what you're doing here. So thanks for having me on.

Well, thank you. Thank you so much. So This conversation is a long time coming from the work that you've been doing. The journey of this book doesn't start when you started writing this book. The journey of this book for you became something that you got focused on a long, long time ago.

Yeah, true.

And I wanted to focus on 1 point to give people this context. You're seen as someone who's superhuman. You're able to do incredible things on stage, off stage. You have a phenomenal physical, mental, psychological presence. You have a beautiful spiritual presence.

But at the same time, you talk about in this book, being 31 years old and finding out about this brain tumor. I want to hear about what that feels like when you think you're doing everything right for your health and it hasn't been a point of concern and all of a sudden you get this news, how does that feel?

Well, it was scary, obviously. Actually, it started a little sooner than that. When I was really young, I grew up really rapidly. I've worked 20-hour days, and I was also blessed. And I got to work with some very important people, and I got great results, and they told other people.

So by the time I was 19, just almost 20, I had become quite successful in external terms, at least, in the world. And some part of me was, you know, kind of the mechanism in the back of our head, that 2-million-year-old brain, right, the fight-or-flight mechanism. I didn't know how to manage that so well. And part of my brain was like, well, maybe you have all this happening so quick because you're gonna die young. And I literally became obsessed with not just getting hit by a truck or something, it was cancer, I was gonna wilt away.

I don't know where it came from, and I knew better intellectually, but it was there. And then the first time it entered my life was before 31, it entered my life through someone else, my girlfriend. And she came home crying uncontrollably. And Jay, I mean, she was like, what is it, what is it? My mom, my mom, and my mom has cancer.

And then even worse, they gave her 9 weeks to live, they just sent her home. And I think if it would have been me, I think my fear would have overcome me. But you know, most people will do more for people they love, whether it be their kids or their family or someone else than they'll ever do for themselves. And so, it's like I kicked into gear. That's what I do.

It's like, okay, if there's a problem, there's a solution. I said, look, there's thousands of people that have stage 4 cancer and that are alive today. We're gonna find out what they do. We're gonna do the same thing. They said, she's not gonna die.

And then I just read every book I could on cancer. And I came across this 1 book called 1 Answer to Cancer. It's not the book I'd recommend today because there's so many better ones today, but it was written by this dentist who had pancreatic cancer, which is the most vicious cancer of all. He was given 6 weeks to live, and this is 12 years later and he's alive. And so he laid out what he did to cleanse his body and it sounded radical in those days Pancreatic enzymes, so I went to this woman name was Jenny.

She was in her 40s I said Jenny, you know, I know you don't want to die. I said, but just going home and do nothing why don't you read this book this guy was in worse shape than you, and see if you wanted to apply this. And she read it and she got inspired, and I gave her azomanthicum to kind of work on her head a little bit. Anyway, long story short, within about 3 weeks, she had a tumor that was protruding in her shoulder, and the 1 in her feminine organs. And you couldn't see anything 3 weeks later on her shoulder.

And at the period of I think about 9 weeks when she was supposed to die, and she looked good, she had great energy, and literally looked transformed, the doctor finally said, this is crazy, let's do exploratory surgery. So they went in her body, all they could find left of the cancer was something the size of my pinky's fingernail. And so the doctor said, this is a miracle. She said, it is a miracle, but let me tell you what I did. And he was like, no, no, no, this is spontaneous remission.

I don't wanna hear what you did. What you did doesn't matter. But she's in her mid-80s today, she's still alive, and that shifted me from victimhood, like, oh my God, cancer could strike me down, to believing I'll be great. So all the more shocking, now I'm a total biohacker, I'm a health nut, I've gotta get on stage and do 12, 13 hours with 20, 000 people. And I gotta do it 3 or 4 days in a row, and I make these huge demands, but I also have this incredibly intense regimen of taking care of myself.

And then I went, I'm a helicopter pilot. So I went to go get my license renewed, you have to do a physical, and I come back and I keep getting these messages from the doctors saying, my assistant saying, the doctor says he's gotta talk to you. And I was like, I'm leaving for the South of France to do an event. Tell them to just send the report. And I got home this 1 night and taped to my bathroom, my master bathroom bedroom door was a note for my assistant saying you've got to call the doctor He says it's an emergency.

So what do you do? What do you feel like? Well, all my old fears just started flashing backs like oh my god, I mean I treat my body so great How could I have cancer but I do fly all the time. That's radiation. You know, your head goes crazy.

At least mine did. But at that time, I had also found a center in my life. And so I found my center. It's like, okay, courageous person. Coward dies a thousand deaths, courageous person once.

Let me deal with it if it needs to be dealt with in the morning. I woke up called, and the doc says to me, you have a tumor, a tumor in your brain. I was like, what are you talking about? I came to you, I'm totally healthy. I'm healthy as a horse.

And he said, no, no, no. He said, you have an enormous amount of growth hormones. So I

did some tests. I said, how'd you

notice the growth hormone? My hands are bigger than your head. I wear a size 16 shoe. I was 5'1", now I'm 6'7". I grew 10 inches in a year.

And he goes, no, don't be funny. He goes, you're gonna need to hear me. This is serious. And he said, you really need to do this. And do what?

You gotta come in for surgery. I was like, wait a second. I said, you're telling me you're gonna cut me open? I said, what's the prognosis? He said, well, obviously you can die.

There ain't any time you do surgery that's this complex. But he said, it's your pituitary gland. And he said, you're probably not gonna have the same kind of energy anymore because it'll change your biochemistry. And I was like, well, I think I should get a second opinion. Who would you recommend?

And he did not have a good bedside manner, and I didn't have a good bedside manner either. I was a young punk kid. I was like, well, how do you tell me I'm gonna have to have the surgery? So I kind of blew it off since he was such a jerk about it. I was like, I'll take care of it when I get home.

And I flew to the south of France, and I did this seminar. But then, you know, the mind. You know, the mind starts going like, what if he's right? What if it's this? So I went and did the scan and I saw the look on the guy's face when I came out from the MRI, and sure enough, I had a tumor there.

It was interesting though, Jay, it was a big tumor. That's why I grew 10 inches in a year, but it infarct, which means it swallowed a portion of itself up, but it's still there. And he said, we still need to do the surgery. So I went and did, I said, okay, he's a surgeon. Let me go to somebody who's more biochemically driven.

So I went to this man in Boston, a neurobiologist, and He was really completely different. He was super warm and he said, look, he goes, I would never do the surgery. It's way too risky. There's a place in Switzerland you can go to and you can take an injection once every 6 months and you'll never have to worry about it. Because what they worry about is that gigantism, it's called, it makes your arteries get really big and then you have a heart attack.

I said, well, doc, you just said my arteries are perfect. And this happened 12 years ago. I said, why would I do anything? He goes, well, we just want to be certain. I said, well, what if, I'm not certain the drug's not gonna have side effects, you know?

He goes, well, it will only make you tired all the time. I was like, tired all the time? That's the opposite of my whole life. I said, energy's the source of everything for me. And he's like, oh, you're afraid, you're like Samson.

You're afraid you're gonna cut your hair. And I said, you're damn right I am. But he was so cool. I said, but you know, the surgeon wants to cut me. He goes, yeah, the baker wants to bake.

Yeah, he's the butcher wants to butcher. The surgeon wants to cut. And I want to drug you. He was really cool. And I said, what if I did nothing?

He goes, but I measured it. Like, I'm not stupid. I go, measure it once a year or something. He goes, well, you could do that. And thank God I did, Jay, because 6 months later, the FDA, I was having to go to Switzerland because wasn't available in the US and the FDA never allotted in because they found it created cancer So I missed a bullet Went to 5 other docs.

So 6 and told 7 in total and Last doc told me what I wanted to hear Which was Tony you have a huge amount of growth hormone, but he goes you literally do you I burn 11, 300 calories in 1 day on stage give you an idea I guess a group followed me for 3 years that follows Olympic athletes and Tom Brady and people like that and So they've measured everything in my body and he goes you're doing 2 and a half marathons Basically in calorie burn in a day and you're doing 4 days in a row like that He goes your ability to recover is insane. He's in 2 or 3 days. You've recovered He goes That's that's coming from that growth hormone. I believe and he said so I know bodybuilders that are spending 1, 200 bucks You know a month to have what you're getting for free. So that was when I was 31.

I'm 62 I've never had a problem since I've measured it but it really changed my Outlook and The first 1 made my outlook look like there is an answer. And the second 1, my outlook was there's a price for certainty.

And you

got to be very careful what price you pay to be certain. You got to find that certainty within yourself, which I know is a lot of what you teach and I do as well, Jay.

Yeah. Thank you for walking us through that and especially going back a bit further as well. I think what I find fascinating about that, Tony, and a lot of the work you do, is why does it, why do we as humans often wait to see, not even see pain, you saw pain in someone else and you tried to help solve it And that got you working. But why is it that we often wait to experience pain before we decide to change a part of our lives, make a different choice, to create a shift? Why is it that we wait so often for stress and pressure?

I have that question was burning in me because you know I was traveling around had the privilege of this stage of life You know traveling around the earth

that's why I work with

people from every walk of life I'm 100 plus countries. I've worked in and I'd see the same problems even though you mean different cultures like you know Go to an Asian culture. It's not about the individual It's about the group right, But I'd still see the same problems. And then I got obsessed with it. Like, okay, what's the common human experience?

Because I'm seeing the same problems even though it's a different culture, even though it's different beliefs, right? And I began to realize that there are certain human needs. And there were 6 that I identified that I've used ever since, and it's helped me understand. And so 1 of those needs is certainty. And it's the base human need.

Certainty that you can avoid pain and that you can be comfortable is the most basic need. It's a survival need, because if you have continuous pain, that's continuous damage. Continuous damage equals death, right? But what happens for people is most people that first basic need is where they live. They don't grow Another need the second need is uncertainty Because ironically if you're certain all the time you're bored out of your mind If you're completely uncertain you kind of freaked out and a balance is not in it's the ability to use both enter both worlds And then there's the need for significance, which is a big part of our culture today, thanks to social media, that need to feel special, unique, important, right?

It can be a very positive emotion or need, it can be very negative depending upon how it's used, how it's directed. And then there's the need for connection and love, which everybody has. And those 4 needs, everybody finds a way to meet. If you have to lie to yourself, work 20-hour days, you're going to find certainty somehow. You're going to find variety.

You're going to find some form of significance. Some people do it by tearing other people down. Some people do it by working harder. You know, it's different. You're going to find some level of at least connection, if not love.

But the final 2, what make people feel alive, which is growing, everything in the universe grows or dies, and contributing, everything in the universe contributes or It's eventually eliminated by evolution. So those are the spiritual needs, growth and contribution, where you get beyond yourself. And I think that the majority of us don't take moves because of fear, and fear is just uncertainty. It's that base need. And when I go around and I describe this in more detail, and I work with a big audience, 15, 20, 000 people and I'll say, have them do a set of exercises and have them figure out where do they get, what triggers them to be certain or uncertain, what triggers them to have variety and so forth, so they understand that everything I do is to meet these needs.

But then I get them to say, what are your top 2? Not what you think they should be, not what you want them to be, what are they? And 90% of the people in our culture are certainty and significance or significance and certainty. Even though they really want love. So they have this route, like if I can be successful enough, then I'll be worthy of it.

Or if I can just control it enough and know it's that way, but you can't control love, right? And so most people are, they're trying to meet their needs in a kind of a backwards way. And I think that fear, that uncertainty, is what keeps most people from growing until they get enough pain, And then that pushes them to a threshold where their needs aren't being met, they gotta change. And unfortunately, most people wait till they have enough pain. Now, that's not my preference.

I'm sure

it's not yours, but I'm sure you've had experiences as much as I've had where you did have to be pushed that far to get there, right?

Yeah, By the way, I'm so glad I asked you that question because that's the best answer I've ever heard. It's brilliant. It's very simple. It's simple, but it's profound as well because usually we would say, oh yeah, the reason why we wait till we don't have to change is because we're comfortable and we're okay with it. But really, it's because you're saying these needs keep us trapped, almost.

In fact, if you're wanting to change but not changing, it's because some of your needs are met by what you're doing and some of them aren't. That's why you're in that push-pull, but you don't usually do enough until you're pushed over the edge.

Like

smoking a cigarette, what does it give people? Comfort, because you take a breath of cigarette, you take a nice slow deep breath in and take it out, it calms the nervous system, right? It's something that they're comfortable with. It's variety, if they're all stressed out and then they start to breathe differently, it's variety in the body. For some people, they did it originally for significance.

I'm cool, I'm smoking. Today, it's not really that cool to most people, but for some generations, some places it is, some people see it as a connection with themselves. But if all of a sudden you're now in a relationship with somebody who doesn't smoke, and you really love them, and you want their total love and attention and they're completely disgusted by cigarettes Now my needs for love.

Yeah,

right are really strong and my need for this comfort is really strong And so you have this push-pull and then some people make the shift some people don't

yeah, absolutely. Well what you said to me really rang a bell for me, and we spoke a bit about it earlier. I came to a point in my life, there was 1 point earlier when I left the monastery where I really struggled with my health, which I've spoken about before. But even more recently, And it's interesting, you were 31, I'm 34 now. And it was probably around a similar time, maybe around 30 years old, where I realized that I had 2 choices.

I either had to slow down or I had to up my focus on my health. And that's why I'm so excited about this book, For the World to Read. Because you're giving us opportunities and access to thought and ideas and practices and medicine that can help us up our game of our health.

Because

often what we do is we choose to slow down. We choose to just go, okay, well, I'm just gonna do less. And you and I, I think we both connect on the fact that actually giving and service and contribution and making an impact on such big needs that I was just like, I don't wanna stop though. Like just as you said with the energy point, I don't wanna not be able to do as much and give more.

So

how do I change my health? And that simple decision is what led me to be attracted to what you're doing in this book and the work in this area. Talk to us a bit about that energy piece. In the book, you talk a lot about boosting your energy through natural compounds. And when I was reading about this, I was fascinated because we're not hearing about this everywhere.

If somebody were to tell you 5 years ago that you could reverse aging, people would laugh at you. But today, there are billions and billions of dollars being spent by the richest people in the world, mostly in Silicon Valley, and some of the greatest scientists in the world that have been breakthroughs in the last 5 years that are amazing. So there's a man named Dr. Sinclair, David Sinclair from Harvard. He's probably the number 1 longevity expert in the world, and I write about him in the book.

And 1 thing is He's 53 chronologically, but he's 33 biochemically. I've applied what he's taught me for 6 months now, since I met him, 7 months, maybe 8 months now, and I'm 62, but I'm 51. My goal is to get it down to 41 or 42 if I possibly can. But you go, How's that possible? Well, there are ways of reversing, everybody knows their body's made of stem cells, I'm sure, by now, and there's ways of reversing the process of a stem cell, literally from skin back to a pluripotent, where it can become anything.

The man who did that was Dr. Yamanaka, won the Nobel Prize for it. David Sinclair took his work, applied it to reversing the aging, and he started with mice, and he took these mice that had glaucoma, so they burned out the nerves in the eyes, and those don't regrow. And he's the first time, he'll probably win a Nobel Prize from this he reversed the aging process and grew back their eyes So they have sight again to give you an idea. They're using gene therapy There's a young man that I interviewed in the book there who was on America's Got Talent who was blind who now can see by this gene therapies These are types of things that just sound like magic.

The book is filled with things. I interviewed 150 of the smartest scientists, Nobel laureates, regenerative doctors and scientists to show you what's happening right now that you might think would happen 20 or 30 years from now. It sounds like magic. Or within 36 months. That's what it's all really based on.

But here's what I want your audience to understand around energy. So everybody's heard of the genome or their DNA, right? You can think of the genome as being like the piano keys, but the music is played by a player, which is the epigenome. Epi means above. And the epigenome is affected by your diet your exercise how much exposure to radiation, etc Well, most people have heard that but the epigenome really is governed by 7 master genes They're called sirtuins now your audience has to remember all these names But just stay with me Just think there's 7 master genes that do 3 or 4 things that are critical.

First they convert, they turn on and off the different genes in your body. That's the epigenome. And if you turn on the wrong ones, you age too soon or your energy drops. So when this is fully fueled, when those sirtuins are doing their job, everything happens in the right way. Second thing they do is they reduce your inflammation, which is the basis of most breakdown in the body.

Third thing they do, which is critical, is they help your mitochondria, which is the energy force inside every cell in your body, convert food into energy, into ATP. Pretty important. And then they have a separate task that is they clean up your DNA. So at 35 or 34, you have a certain amount of exposure, more than when you were 20. When you're 50, it'll be even higher, at 60, even higher.

Well, around 40, your stem cells drop off the cliff. Around 50, the sirtuins, the fuel of the sirtuins drops off the cliff, and that's called NAD, Which I'm sure some of your people have heard about you may even spoken about you can do any D as an IV It doesn't absorb a lot though NAD though has a precursor called NNN like never mother never I'm sure you've heard of it And so I've known about that and so but I didn't Understand that if you don't have enough any DNA in and in then the body has to decide between Do I help the body turn on epigenome? Do I help it reduce inflammation? Because there's only so much do I really help it create enough energy in the cell or do I clean up the DNA? So imagine you have a mansion and you have a young staff and your house looks perfect all the time, because they're young and bright and they're on top of things.

But down, no 1 notices, they clean it up. But as they get older and slower, and then there's less resources, NAD, Now the mansion starts to break down that's aging so what dr. Sinclair did is figure out how to supplement that NMN And you can go buy an event on the you know Look on Amazon even and there's probably a list of a dozen or so brands that do it So we tested 6 of them just for price points as of $39 a month to $129 a month. And there was no NMN in any of them. And I asked the lab guy, I said, are these people just thieves?

He goes, well, most of it comes from China, so I can't say for sure. He said, but what I can tell you is What's more likely is NMN breaks down in less than 30 days. So by the time it comes from China, gets to your door, there's nothing in it. So they built a more stable NMN, which we have and use. But there's something coming.

I want your audience to know about

a little shut up I've talked about so

long time. It's so important.

This is amazing. This is fascinating. Yeah. There's a company called Microbiotech and Edenrock, this merger of these 2 companies. They saw the power of NMN.

And they said, if you could find an NMN that was stable and Was even more absorbable it would transform people. So for example in a mouse They give any men to mice and they live 30% longer. So not all mice studies transfer to humans. They take an old mouse, like a 70-year-old person would be like a 20-month-old mouse, okay? So that's an old mouse.

And they put them on a treadmill, and The most they can run without collapsing is about a quarter of a kilometer. A young dynamic mouse, like a 21-year-old, can run 4 times that, a full kilometer. 14 days on NMN and the old mouse, the 70-year-old mouse, will run 2 to 3 kilometers, 200 to 300 percent more. So again, I read about this, I was like, well, will that really transfer to humans? So this has been the breakthrough, it only happened a few months ago, right before I published the book.

The Special Forces in Boston for 2 years has been doing a private study that's been top Secret about using this new form of NMM. It's called MIB 626 and it'll be available in 18 to 24 months Wow, but it got it got out because the commander they just finished the two-year study first year was safety Second year is efficacy and the commander was debriefing his team. It didn't realize there was a newspaper person in the room. So part of it got out, it was in the Daily Mail a couple weeks ago also, and they only know a part of it. I can't tell you the things I'm an investor in a company, I can't tell you what's not public, but I'll tell you what's public.

What the commander said was, here's what I can tell you, gentlemen. What happens with mice happens with the most powerful men and women in the world. I mean, the most conditioned men in the world saw massive increases in endurance, just from taking the 7N, massive increase in muscle strength without any more stimulation, and most importantly, increased cognitive ability, which when you're a soldier, what's gonna get you to stay alive when you're exhausted or beat up or injured or complete the mission is gonna be your brain. So they're now doing studies on COVID with it. They're doing studies with groups of 40 to 60 year olds that are just unconditioned And they're seeing the same result.

So in 18 to 24 months the FDA will have this will not be a nutraceutical This would be a something go to your doctor and imagine you get something that is natural But you put in your body and now all 4 of those things I told you about are going full tilt now you're turn on And off the right genes now inflammation is coming down You got more energy at a cellular level, and your DNA's being cleaned up. So that's less than 2 years away from us right now.

That's incredible. So you first approached it through behavior change, now you're changing the actual product that we test in. You do both.

Yeah, do both.

And that's amazing. Yes. And do you think though that, and putting together both those approaches that you've Invested in from a point of view of your whole career and what you're working on now How much is that change of behavior still going to be required because my worry is as you know is people say, okay I'm gonna take this pill and it's gonna drop my inflammation, but then I'm going to eat things that create more inflammation. How does behavior change go hand in hand with that?

I found that when people have more energy, I don't know what your experience is, that their behaviors change. When you're low energy, kind of lethargic, even the way you think, I mean, look at what COVID's done by just having people coped up and not moving very much, right? I've had a chance to use this product. There's products available right now, and then I've been using those, and they're very powerful, but this 1 is even more visceral. I mean, you feel like you're ready to buzz around.

It's just,

it's like it blows my mind what it does, right? So I think when people feel like that, my experience is they tend to develop different patterns. It's just like if you've ever gone on a cleanse, even for a short time, your palate changes. And all of a sudden, you don't like the things that you once liked. So my hope is for people there, but I don't just rely on that as you know,

because I teach people all the other ways

to shift their life. But I think it's important to know that there are some tools available right now and some coming very quickly. That will radically change the value of your health. And also, regardless of your age, it's the whole idea is like to be able to take, as you get older, to stay younger physiologically and psychologically and emotionally, incredibly priceless.

Yeah, that's fantastic though, because that specific idea, that once you've had the taste of what energy feels like, we all know that we make better decisions when we experience that. And so even if that can give people that shift, this is how you could feel, this is how you are feeling now, then we can make better choices moving forward.

Most people also, if they're going to find out about it, they've been pursuing something anyway, right?

Yes.

It's like someone's going to pick up the book, Life Force. They're looking for answers. They want more energy or more strength, or they want to help somebody in their family who's dealing with a real issue, and they want to know the best. It's like an encyclopedia.

It's 674 pages. This is what I was saying offline. I was like, this is an encyclopedia. I was telling Tony, I was reading parts of each chapter, but this is truly an encyclopedia. By the way, the cartoons make it un-encyclopedian, but these are brilliant.

They're hilarious. That's good. And they truly crack you up. So 1 of the things I wanted to dive into with Tony was that same thing that I experienced, and I wanna hear it from your perspective. You've been biohacking for a long time.

What are a few things that you've shifted in your behavior that have created more energy, that shifts, that actually helped you expand your energy, right? Like you said, you're serving more people right now, but even when you are traveling, you're moving around the world, you're coaching sports teams, you're coaching individuals, you have groups. How have you been able to expand your energy year over year? What are some of the simple tweaks that people could do today while they wait for this amazing product?

Well, there's products now, they have them now. But for me, I was a vegan for about 10 years, and then I ate Fish and salad basically for about 12 years. So dietarily, I've always tried to make sure that what I had was as clean as possible to start with. Then I train like a crazy person. I do oxygen restriction training type of thing so that my capacity is strong.

But I'm also trying to train so I can literally do 2 and a half marathons on a day and then another day and another day and another day. For me, the most important thing I think has been for me is, believe it or not, has been a combination of hot and cold temperatures that I use. I start every single morning in the freezing water, And I do it for 2 reasons. 1 is it moves every bit of blood in your body and all your lymph in your system. But also kind of train my brain to say, when I say go, we go.

You know, it's like, there's never a day I look forward to going in the water. And I have, you know, 56 degree water here, but in my home in Sun Valley, I go literally through the snow and get in the river, which is like 39, 40 degrees in the wintertime. But you feel so incredible when you come out, but also it's just training your brain, saying I say go, we go. It's not like, oh, I'm not ready yet, or let me wait 5 minutes. And that becomes a discipline in your mind for everything else in your life, which is huge.

And then, believe it or not, saunas, just in the last year I started using saunas, and I've seen a huge change. I've always known about saunas. I use them every now and then. But there's so much research on it now. I have it in the book that will blow your mind.

Like 4 days a week in a sauna for just 20 minutes at 160 degrees plus Whether it's a you know a laser type sauna red sauna going in or it's or a traditional 1 Will absolutely change your health and more ways you can imagine like people that don't really work out I can get them to do this now. And they can just go sit in the sauna, but what happens, it reduces your chance of a heart attack by over 51%. I

read that, yeah, wow.

It reduces your chance of a stroke by 62%. Your overall health is reduced. I mean, it, and then here's the thing, I've noticed it happens with people I get doing this. They wouldn't work out, Now they do the sauna and they put some music on or they put a movie in the background or something. And the great thing is, after doing it for about a month, sweating and everything else, now they wanna work out.

Now they wanna do something else. So I look for the things, the quick little hacks that can make it happen. In my life, I

also use

cryotherapy, and cryotherapy takes your body down to minus 250, Fahrenheit, takes out, I used to ice myself because after an event, I've been running up and down the stadium walls and everything else, every ounce of me, 14 hours on stage, 12 hours on stage is gone, And I go ice like I did in football. 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off. It's painful, but I had to do it. Now I go in for 2 and a half minutes in a cryotherapy unit, and there's no inflammation in my body. It's just mind boggling.

For people who have osteoarthritis also, Like my mother-in-law had such bad osteoarthritis, even medications weren't helping her and she was crying at night and I was like, I gotta find an answer, that's how I found cryo. And I started reading about cryotherapy and started reading about athletes doing it, but I started reading what it does for osteoarthritis. She has no pain now, right? So they're just tools, and you don't have to own 1 of these things

Yeah,

you know I'm fortunate enough to have 1 here But you know you can go there's local places all over the United States all over the world now where you can just go in 5 or 10 minutes and it's amazing people just need to try it out. So there's lots of different tools There's exercises you can do that. I love the called osteo strong. I invest in this company It's a 10-minute workout. It sounds like total BS.

This is the 1 that speeds up your metabolism.

Yes. Well, it also helps you build stronger bones, which most people don't care about bones. Women understand, you know, in their 50s, osteoporosis is a really huge thing. And most of the drugs will eventually fossilize the bones This is the only thing that's been proven increased bone density by about 14% But my athlete friends love it I love it because when your bones are stronger your your muscles are limited by your bone strength Because otherwise your muscles will rip open the bone, right? So this is a 10 minute exercise.

You do 4 different exercises, and you go to a local place. You don't have to own the equipment. And literally, you're done in that time. And you see the transformation. First time I did this, I remember I worked with this woman.

She was about 63 years old. And I went to Gold's gym with her because he didn't have these machines then. There was a way of doing it with weights. It was a little bit spooky if you screwed up because the weight was so heavy. And there was this guy, he was like, I don't know, 25, 26 years old, ponytail, sweating like crazy doing the leg press.

And we had a camera crew there and she says, sir, he took a break and he's sweating. She goes, sir, can I just get a quick sit in between you? And she's in normal clothes and she's like 62 years old, 63 years old, and looked like she was almost 70. And he thought he was being punked, right? He gets up and she goes, could you put another 100 pounds on?

Literally another 100 pounds on. And so there's a technique Where you use an extreme amount of weight for a short period of time and it stimulates it because you don't get growth by working Out you get growth by rest, but you have to have a stimulus. It's strong enough and I started doing you know, I bench press in those days like 240 pounds and then all sudden I bench Press 525 I did 1, 600 pounds on the leg press and the guy from Gold's Gym came over here But I'm filming he's like this you're doing this with your mind. It's like no anybody anybody can do this But now they have these machines so you don't have to worry about the weight being too heavy or dropping on you. So there are these little tools that can make you stronger, make you faster.

And then there's simple things I never did. I was working on the sleep chapter at 6.25 in the morning and I had to be up in 2 and a half hours. I'm like, what's wrong with this picture? Because my whole thing was on. My wife loves to sleep.

8 hours. 9 hours she'd be thrilled. My thing is I'll sleep when I die. But then while I was doing the research for this book, I met this doctor who's a top neurobiologist up in Northern California. He works for Google and everybody else.

He's considered the top sleep doctor in the world. And he says, Tony, I think I can convince you. And I said, good luck. Give me your best shot. And he said, well, I did a study.

We got a study with 1.6 billion people on sleep I go you couldn't have possibly coordinated that he goes I didn't have to it's all the country 70 countries that have daylight savings times Wow, and he said here's what you got his name's dr. Walker. He says he says Tony all you got to do is look at the real numbers Let me show you the numbers and he showed me that for 3 days after we spring forward you lose 1 hour And every country in the world on average heart attacks increased 24% And when we fall back and you get 1 extra hour all around the world in so many countries on average 21% Decrease in heart attacks and then he does the same stats on accidents and everything else And then he showed me stats that show you know a man that slept 4 and a half 5 hours a night like I was Doing usually had testosterone levels Somebody's 10 years older than they were they got my attention. So It's a combination of sleep. It's a combination of the right diet.

It's a combination of the right stimulus of exercise. It's really doing those fundamentals that make a difference for you. Then it's doing these cool things like stem cells that completely changed my life.

What do you think, having said that, what do you think is the greatest human skill? Not habit, but mindset and skill.

That's a great question.

I don't know if I

got what the greatest. There's so many. It depends on what you want out of your life,

right?

But I think the ability to manage your own mind and emotions is probably 1 of the single most important. And maybe the second is the ability to influence others because that's what makes you a leader. And hopefully you're doing that for a higher good because there are all kinds of leaders as you know. But I don't think most people are very good at emotional fitness. Most people are just not as happy as they could be.

I did 1 book, Money Master the Game, it was kind of like this. Only what I did in that case is I interviewed 50 of the smartest financial people in the world, Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren Buffett. And out of 50 of them, and again, it's my judgment, I could be completely wrong, and I've spent a lot of time with them. Some have become really good friends. There's probably 4 or 5 that are really happy people.

You go, oh, well, money makes people unhappy. Money, it has nothing to do with money. Money makes you more of what you are, it just magnifies. If you're mean, you have more to be mean with. If you're kind, you have more to give, you know?

But I think that most people are just, they haven't learned to manage what's going inside. Doesn't matter how much abundance they have, they're still unhappy. We've all seen people that, great comedians that have killed themselves. Anthony Bourdain, beautiful man, traveled the world, killed himself. Fashion designers that have done it.

We've all seen all these different people. Kate Spade. And it's like, what? They had everything except they didn't master what was going on here and here. And you know this is why you lived your life the way you have us as well So I think that skill set is the most important 1.

That's why even in the book my last 2 chapters I think of the most important because it's really about power of the mind because like everybody knows about placebos, right? They only discovered in World War 2 and it was discovered by accident This doctor ran out of morphine and he's treating these These people that are badly injured and you know, you need the morphine not just so they're out of pain, but so they don't go into shock. And the actual person who discovered this, gets no credit, was a nurse, because the nurse handed him a syringe and said, we've got some more morphine. So he believed it, and he said, you'll be out of pain in just less than a minute. He injected them, and in every case, none of them went into shock.

90% of them were out of pain, and they used nothing. It was saline, right? So after World War II, he went back to Harvard and he was the person that created what we now consider to be the double-bind studies, which are always compared to a placebo. And what most people don't know is, the bigger the placebo intervention, The more powerful the mind believes it so a small pill is less effective than a big pill An injection is more powerful than a pill in terms of its effectiveness The most powerful is if is a sham surgery the the Veterans Administration did a study and they did on people doing knee surgeries, and they took 1 third of the people and they just cut them open, anesthetized them, and sewed them back up, did nothing. A year later, this group, the group that had no surgery, had the least amount of pain, the most amount of flexibility, and most amount of, So they stopped funding those surgeries, give you an idea.

But that's how powerful it is. And so, it's even more than Harvard did a study where they took barbiturates, made these big red pills, and said, this is an amphetamine, you need to prepare your body because you're gonna speed up. It didn't give them something fake, They gave them an actual drug that slows the body down and the body's sped up. So most people don't understand the power of the mind. And so what I've tried to do is show people, even in this book, here are the things that you can do to take control of your mind because if you take care of your body and then you don't take care of your mind and emotions, you're going to be miserable.

Who cares? Yeah. What sparked that question was something you said. You said that you start your morning by jumping in the cold and you never feel like doing it and you said that, I just say to my body, it's time to go.

And

that's what sparked the question because I was like, That's a really interesting skill that you've trained yourself to be okay with discomfort. You're training yourself as your first skill of the day is, I am okay with uncomfortable things and I know I can get through them. And that to me is what sounds like a really important part of emotional fitness.

It is, because unless you can push through Discomfort most things that are gonna give you the greatest reward required discomfort initially.

Yeah,

right and the discomfort It's like, you know My original teacher Jim Rohn used to always say, you know There's 2 pains in life the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. He goes, discipline weighs ounces, regret weighs tons. You know? And so I've trained myself to do that. Then I meditate.

Then I always make an acknowledgement call briefly or leave a voicemail for someone just because to spark the day. And then I do The first thing I do is always whatever's the most difficult. Because then you have momentum for your day. And when you train your brain to do what's difficult first, then emotional fitness just comes naturally. And more importantly, so does achievement.

So does your ability to contribute to other people. Because I have 105 companies now, to give you an idea. I manage 13 of them directly, ongoingly. And there are all kinds of different industries, from AI to my resorts in Fiji, to sports teams I own. And I mean, it's insane, the dichotomy of all.

We're doing $7 billion in business, So I gotta do that while I'm being a good dad to 5 kids and 5 grandkids, while I'm taking care of my body, while I'm living my normal mission. So if I don't take care of my body and my energy and my mind, I mean, you'd be overwhelmed by all the demands because, listen, all I gotta do is pick up my phone and You're gonna have all kinds of, oh, that's cool, oh, shit, that's it. Because what are the chances with thousands of employees on 3 or 4 different continents now that somebody's messing up? If messing up is not what I think they should be doing, it's 100%. So I'd always be in reaction until I trained my brain to say, no, Problems are a sign of life and all they are challenges to be solved and what makes you a great leader is your ability to solve Problems or teach teams to build a culture where they can solve problems And so it gives me this tremendous creativity and flexibility, But I've got the base of energy to make it work.

Yes, yes, exactly. And you've given yourself permission to say this, this matters first before we get lost in the

7

billion and 105 companies and all of that. And I think that permission is often the toughest part. But 1 of the things that stood out to me was I sat down and this was a really beautiful answer that I want to share with you because I think it will spark where I want to go next. I interview a lot of Navy SEALs and I like sitting down with people who've had extreme experiences.

Me too.

Because I

feel that extreme experiences have opened up different parts of the brain, different parts of the body that we've never had.

And the spirit.

And the spirit too, exactly. And 1 of the people I sat down with was Jocko Willink.

Yes, I love him.

You know, he's been a leader for

25

years and an incredible Navy SEAL, highly accomplished. And I asked him, and we were on Zoom, right? This was during the pandemic, so I didn't even get to have this

with him.

And that's why I'm so grateful for this. I sat with him and I said to him, I said, you've done everything that's difficult and uncomfortable, potentially known to human beings in your field. What's the most difficult thing you've ever done. And I didn't I don't know what to expect and I never do I try not to project will predict what I think someone's going to say and he said to me said the most difficult thing that I've been through is watching a fellow trooper go down next to me and having to carry on the mission without getting the moment to save, to mourn, to hold, to carry. He goes, I just have to continue the mission.

Yeah. And that was just an answer that he could have said, oh, I was like standing in the cold water. I was doing this, I was doing that. And so I wanted to ask you, what was the most difficult thing when you know all this and you've seen someone's pain? And either they weren't willing to apply it, you saw them too late.

Has there been someone in your life that you're like, I had all these tools to help them with, but they weren't ready to receive or that it wasn't accessible at that time for them? Has there been that? Or have you found that you've always found a way to get through, and not even you personally, I mean, in your personal life too.

Yeah, I first of all identify, I agree with what Jacques told you, which is dealing with the loss of someone you care about is probably the most difficult thing of all. I would say maybe as a child, seeing the level of frustration between my parents, you know, I had 4 different fathers, and watching them kind of, you know, accept whatever life gave them. It's why a lot of my drive came about, is seeing my fathers be berated by my mother, who I love dearly, and just watching them break down. Probably the single most painful event of my life, but also shaped me in such a beautiful way, was when I was 11 years old, we had no money for food and it was Thanksgiving, which in America is a big holiday feast. And so we'd been without food before.

We'd have crackers and butter and we survived, but we weren't gonna have a Thanksgiving feast. And there was a knock at the door, and I go to the door and there's this giant guy there with groceries in each hand, and he had a pot beside him on the ground with an uncooked turkey. And I just like, I said, who are you here for? He goes, I'd like to speak to your father. And my mom and dad were yelling at each other, saying things that you can never take back.

And I'm trying to make sure my younger brother and sister, they're 5 and 7 years younger, wouldn't hear any of this. And that day changed my life because I thought it was gonna be the most exciting day. Dad, Dad, go to the front. What is it? I said, it's for you.

You answer it. No, it's for you. I remember we opened the door and I was just so excited to see my father be happy. Like, we're gonna have a feast. This is gonna be incredible.

And he got angry. And he's like, we don't accept charity. And went to slam the door in the man's face. And the man's foot was there, so it bounced off his foot. He still opened the groceries.

He's like, sir, I'm just the delivery guy. He said, It's not charity, everybody has a tough time. Someone bought this and they're sending it to you as a gift. My father said, we don't take charity. Goes to close the door again.

This time the guy's shoulder was there also, so it bounced off again. And then I was standing right there and there's this moment I'll never get where This man looked at my father and he looked at me and he said, sir, don't let your ego make your family suffer. And the veins on my dad's face, on the side of his neck, I'll never forget, they bulge, like his face turned red. I thought I was gonna punch him in the face. And there was this moment, my dad's shoulders dropped, he took the groceries, slammed the door, didn't say thank you, and stormed off.

And I always remember thinking, like, how come he's not happy? You know, you talk about pain, it's like, I love my father so much. And he, there's basically 3 decisions that I think everybody makes in their life, whether aware of it or not, moment to moment. I figured this out afterwards because I was so obsessed with what's wrong because he eventually left our family. And that was the most painful thing I ever had.

So it's like feeling like I failed, you know, I blame myself, like why couldn't it get through to my father, you know, I was 11 years old. But later on it helped me understand the 3 decisions are first you gotta decide what to focus on. Every moment of your life there's something grabbing your focus and you don't experience life, you experience the part of life you focus on, right? What's wrong is always available, so is what's right, right? And there are different kinds of focus.

And my dad's focus that day was really on what he hadn't done. And I know that because he kept muttering it. You know, he hadn't taken care of his family, there's no money for Thanksgiving, somebody had to give us charity. And then the second decision you make about once you focus on something is what does it mean? Is this the end or the beginning?

If you think it's the end of a relationship, you're gonna behave different than it's the beginning, right? My dad's meaning was that he was worthless. And so then the third decision is what do I do, which whatever meaning come up, it creates the emotions which affects what you do. And what he decided to do was leave our family. But for me, it was like, this is amazing.

I mean, we haven't had Thanksgiving. You know, this is incredible. We have food, what a concept. And then the meaning, though, is what changed my whole life, which was, wow, strangers care. That completely changed my life.

That painful experience, I couldn't deny that somebody who wanted no credit delivered this food to my family. And so what I decided to do is say, someday I'm gonna do this for another family. So when I was 17, I had 2 families and it was a euphoric experience. I went in jeans and a t-shirt in and go like the delivery guy, but I wanted to see the face of the people. And then next year was 4 people.

And then it was 8. And literally my thing was doubling. And I had a little company, and then I got to a million people a year, and I got to 4000000 people a year. Then when I was doing Money Master the Game, I'm interviewing these billionaires, Jay, and I'm watching Congress cut food stamps, it's now called the SNAP program, by I think it was 6000000000 dollars. So every family that actually needs food and my family was 1 of those back then They all have to come up with a week's worth of food out of every month So I was like I called my team and I said how many people have I fed in my lifetime?

I didn't know there was 42 million meals I was like, it's pretty cool And I was like, what if I fed 50 million people, like my entire lifetime in 1 year? And they're like, what if I did 100 million? What if I fed a billion people in 10 years? So that was 7 years ago. We're at 850 million meals, right?

And I'm going to hit the billion earlier than what my promise and targeted. And then I've got a sustainable approach, but I tell you that because my worst day was my best day My the most painful day the day where I felt like I do the least where I felt impotent Led me to have new understandings new skills new capacities new drives new hunger I mean what I really be feeding a hundred million people a year Hundred million meals a year if I was well-fed as a child? Probably not. And I'd love to believe I'm such a perfect person, but no, I just know what suffering feels like, so I don't want anybody else to suffer, you know? So I think sometimes the suffering experiences of our life, if we don't let them crush us, we let them drive us, they actually become the best day in your life.

And taking your worst day and making your best day is a beautiful target for anybody.

That is just, it's magical even hearing it.

It's magical experiencing

it. It changed my life. Yeah, exactly. I can only imagine, like, just hearing it, I'm just, you know, it's such a beautiful visual. So to live it is just, you know, on the other end of that.

Thank you for sharing that so much. Oh, thank you. It's such a, it's so profound and so wonderful with the questions that

I ask. It's where you see there's grace in life too. It's like, if you can, like I used to think in the early days, because my mom was beautiful. She was the most influential person in my life. And yet she also, when she drank alcohol and took prescription medication, she got crazy.

So she smashed my head against the wall and tied a bladder, feed me liquid soap, and I never told anybody about this when she was alive, but I had this group of young kids that I could see a tall white guy who seems to be quite successful. You know, what does he know? So I told them the whole story. But out of all that, it's like if my mom had been the mother I wanted her to be, I'd probably not be the man I'm proud to be. Like I had to grow, I had to become a practical psychologist at 11 to manage her so that my brother and sister weren't messed up.

And it's like, there's grace in everything. I always think it's like, it's our job to realize that life's happening for us, not to us, and to find how it's happening for us. That's our job. If we do that, then we have a magical life. If we don't, but if your energy's low and you're exhausted, then you don't find those empowering meanings.

Yeah, you

know, that's why to me You can't separate the mind in the body You got to feed the mind and strengthen the body on a daily basis in some way And if you do that life can be pretty miraculous.

Yeah, and I did that for too long I I can actually relate to that It was my wife that turned me on to the body because I was 1 of those people that focused on the mind and the spirit. And as I shared with you earlier, ignored the body. Because I thought, well, I'm young, I've always been healthy. I don't really know what physical health looks like. And then My wife is a nutrition, a dietitianist, an Ayurvedic health counselor.

She comes into my life and she's just like, you need to do this, this, this, this, this. You need to change this in your diet. I'm thinking, why are you asking me to change? But it was so fascinating to me because it's exactly what you just said. You can't disconnect the 2.

Going on that, you said focus and mood about your father.

You

have a whole section in here dedicated to focus and mood. Walk us through that, because what you just explained to us is the emotional focus and mood of your father.

But

here you're talking about how the physicality of focus and mood can affect that.

They go together. I'll give you an example of how powerful they are for the psychological side. Right now, out of COVID, so many people have been shut down in a terrible place. And I'm sure you've seen that drug overdoses are the largest they've ever been in history. It was over 100, 000 people last year.

Suicides, 1 out of 4 kids under the age of 30, according to the CDC, whether they're accurate or not, I don't know, have considered suicide sometime in the last 2 years. Because we all need a compelling future. We need something to look forward to. So Stanford came to me, and their genetics lab has been doing research on depression. And what they found was that by doing meta studies, is only 40% of the people who go in for therapy, who they get drugs and therapy together usually, only 40% make any improvement.

60% don't improve at all. That's not a lot more than what you can get on some placebos. And so they approached me and said, a couple of people went through 1 of your programs. 1 was clinically depressed, they're not anymore, but we don't have any science on this. Would you be willing to let us do a science test?

I said, sure. So they came out to this Date with Destiny seminar I do, which helps people to change their values and belief structures. I don't tell them what they need to be, but they figure out what it needs to be. And it changes the way you perceive life, the way you experience life, how you feel, what you do. It's a rewiring of your model of the world, basically, in 6 days.

And so they said, we're going to model this after the greatest breakthrough we've found in science that no 1 was able to follow up on. About 2 years ago, Johns Hopkins did a study on depression. And they gave people psilocybin, right, which comes from magic mushrooms. And they did therapy for 30 days. And at the end of it, 53% of the people were depression-free 30 days later.

Never happened. Like when we say 40% are helped, the average amount of help is 50% less depressed. Right, that's what the average is. Some people completely turn around, some people don't. In this 1, 53% of the people, so it's 4 Times the result of any drug that ever been done, but unfortunately soul siphons not legal So they're still working on that And they said we're gonna copy that exact study and we're gonna have a group that they compared to, which is, didn't go to the seminar, the comparison group is going to do gratitude journaling and so forth because positive psychology talks about that.

And they said that's probably what this seminar does, it's just positive thinking. Well the cool thing was when they came out, the results were so amazing at Stanford that they went and had 2 additional double-blind people do the research because it just seemed so ridiculous. At the end of the first week, 63% of people had no depression symptoms. At the end of 6 weeks, it increased through time. A hundred percent of the people had no depression symptoms.

19% of the people had suicidal ideation. 0 had suicidal ideation. It blows away any study. It just came out, it's coming out next week in the Psychiatric Journal, which is Journal of American Medical Association, Psychiatric Journal, are the 2 top journals in the field. They can't even believe it, so they're gonna do more.

And the actual scientific article says, this is more powerful than any drug therapy or any forms of normal therapy combined. And what are we doing? We're getting people to change, basically, those 3 questions to some extent. Because your values control what you focus on. If you're security driven and you're here down in my basement right now, you're like, where's the exit, right?

You came down a slide, like, how do I get out of here? If you're adventure driven, you don't care. You don't even know where it is. So your focus is controlled by your values and your belief systems. The meaning of things is controlled by your belief systems.

So those 3 decision making things, what I'm going to focus on, what does it mean, what I'm going to do, shift. And 1 good example of this, Jay, is, and maybe your audience can relate to this, is that we just took 3 patterns. So let's say focus, most people have a focus either on what they have or what's missing. What's missing. That's right.

Now, even achievers do that. It's not like somebody who's not successful. It's 1 of the reasons you see these achievers that no matter what they do, it's never enough. Because think about it, if you're always focusing on what's missing from your life, how can you sustain happiness? It's software that will not allow that.

You'll feel happy for a little moment, and then you'll notice it's missing again. What do you think's more often people focus on what they can control or can't control? What they can't control. Yeah. In my seminars, it's can control.

That's why they go. I wanna learn how to take control of my body or my finances or my business, whatever it is. So it's the opposite. But the average person, it's what they can't control. And with COVID, there's so much you can't control around you that people really sunk in that.

Well, how's someone going to feel? Just everyone think about it. If you're constantly focused on what's missing from your life and what you can't control and then I'll add 1 more. Do you focus more on the past, the present or the future? We all do all 3, but we tend to have 1 we focus more on.

Where do you think more people focus? Past.

That's

right. And achievers focus on the future and happy people on the present So so that you know if you're gonna be achieve with the ideal is the presence So you experience it anticipating the future so you can shape your life, right? But the past you can't change so I asked people in seminars You got stadium 15 20, 000 people and I'll say how many of you know somebody that takes antidepressants and they're still depressed? And 80% of the room raised their hand saying they know

somebody. Wow.

Well, how come? Because all antidepressants do is numb you So that you're less intense, but they don't deal with the source of the problem Which is you're constantly seeing what's missing and it doesn't matter whether you're successful or not That's why there are these people that have been wealthy and think their own life. They see what's missing They focus on all the things they can't control There's plenty we can't control but there's plenty we can influence and plenty we can't control just a couple of changes like that Completely change someone's life and so those changes in the beliefs and values change what they look moment to moment change their experience of life They're no longer depressed.

Yeah, the biggest thing I learned from that apart from all the incredible stuff you said is I didn't think about security once when we came down the slide. That's either because I trust you a lot, and I'm with you. If it was someone else telling me to get down the slide, I don't know if I would have done it. But now I'm like going, oh, wait a minute, we're underwater. Now I'm starting to have all the thoughts.

That's incredible. Those questions are fascinating to me. You were saying that the people that come to your seminars are people that are the opposite. I think the same of the people that listen to this podcast. They're choosing to listen to this podcast Over just watching a show or binge watching another series.

They're here trying to take charge of that. What kind of assurance can you give them that that mindset is 1 that they should keep watering? Because I feel that often, and you've probably heard this in your seminars time and time again, people are like, Tony, I'm trying, I read the book, I'm trying to put it into practice, but I still keep failing or I still keep struggling. Someone who's already on, but feels that failure, that rejection, that pushback, what can keep them going?

I think it's understanding there's no replacement for persistence as simplistic as that is. It's like, you know, disappointment either destroys you or drives you, and you have to decide which 1 it's gonna be. If you don't consciously decide, there's always gonna be more BS for you to deal with. And I think, but that's why I think, you know, when I do my events, the reason I do the 12 hours a day, it's not because I like talking. It's just that I can tell you something all day long or I can get you to build the muscle.

And to build the muscle is by experiencing. And I always tell people a belief is a poor substitute for an experience. Like I could have a belief about you, but not experience you. So I get to know who you are, right? The same thing is true as like, you have a belief about China, you have a belief about working out.

So I try to give people experiences that are so profound. And then, you know, the studies they did, They found people 12 months later, 11 months later, we're still in the middle of COVID, they did my digital seminar. And they measured my body, like the amount of times I jump. I jump a thousand times a day and I weigh 282 pounds. And I come down 4 times the body weight.

So it's a thousand pounds times a thousand pounds of pressure. I have my lactic acid. If you've ever been with a friend and you're running and you can't talk, the point you can't talk is the level 4 of lactic acid. I'm at an 18 and still speaking. So they decided to do that on my audience and they found an interesting pattern.

It's the same group that works with some of the Super Bowl champions and some of the Stanley Cup champions and so forth, there's a ratio in the body of testosterone versus cortisol, the stress hormone. When the ratio is balanced, they call it the championship bloodline or bloodstream, It literally gets you to follow through so when they did my audience in my live seminar They found that people literally mirror me all the way through the experience.

That's phenomenal chemically that is phenomenal But

then we did it on we did it, you know, cuz all of a sudden overnight They said to me, you know, we're going to San Francisco and the governor of California says, you can only have 10 people and we have 15, 000. So I was like, we'll go to Vegas. They'll never shut down Vegas. They shut down Vegas. So I was like, okay, we'll do 1500 movie theaters with 10 people in them.

They shut down the movie theaters. Like, okay, we'll go to a church in Houston. I got a buddy, I'll rent his church for 15, 000 people. They're not gonna keep Costco open and shut down the church. They kept Costco open and shut down the church.

So I finally said, okay, I'm not gonna do some crappy little webinar. So I got this vision, I'm gonna build this facility with 20 foot high LED screens, 50 feet wide, all around me. I'm gonna call Eric Yeun at Zoom. I'm gonna get him from 1, 000 up to 25, 000 people so I can interact with people live in real time. I'm going to build an app so they can shake it.

And the more people do it, the louder it gets so it's real. So I built this whole thing. So now we're doing bigger events than ever in our entire history. But they did the same measurements on them in different parts of the world and saw the exact same mirroring process. The average person-

Even digitally,

just to clarify. 71% of the people, they had a 71% drop in negative emotions, 53% improvement in positive emotions. And 11 months later, in the middle of COVID, it held. Because it's a biochemical change. So when people say, oh, I'm trying, I write books because it's an easy entry point to people, There's so much you can

learn from a book, but there's nothing like the experience. That's why I do the events. And like this last 2 years because of COVID, I did 2

like 6 day free events. We had 800, 000 people attend for 6 days, just 4 weeks ago, because I just wanted people to have answers where they are. And then people start to see, they get momentum. But it's hard to do just reading something or watching a couple of 20 minute or 15 minute or 5 minute little pieces on YouTube. Those are great, they might inspire you.

But a transformation requires immersion. It's like if you ask the average person, did you study a foreign language in school? Most people, oh yeah, high school, college. Speak it. They don't.

But if you turn around and you said, okay, what if you want to learn Italian and I just took you to Rome and dumped you off for

6

weeks

with no teacher, you're going to come back 6 weeks later speaking Italian. So it's immersion. And if you want to master something, I think that's the thing most people don't do. They read a little bit, they listen a little bit, they dip in and out. They Don't go day and night, night and day in total immersion in something that transforms them, and also something that makes them push through their fears.

Because in the end, that's the only thing it stops with. Everybody's got a story, I didn't know this person, I don't have the resources. They have all the things they don't have. But if you're resourceful, you can get the money, you can get the time, you can get the energy, you can get anything you want. And you've gotta get over your fear to be resourceful.

So we do experiences that are so Physiologically profound that those fears do not stop you anymore.

Yeah,

and that's what that's how we get People to get you know 10 years later. They're still transformed from an experience. That was 1 weekend

the fact that people are mirroring you that That is mind-blowing

it is mind-blowing

that's for a screen to yeah that blew my mind Even

you know, what's really cool about the screens is like if you're in my seminar you're in a giant stadium and I'm a dot, most people are watching me on a screen anyway, right? Unless you're in the front rows. But I can see your eyes, I can feel what's going on. I'm running around the building. Here, I can scan so many people and I see them in their home.

I see them with their children. I see the interaction with their husband or their wife. I see what they're eating. And I'm with them 12, 13 hours a day for 3 or 4 days. And we start here, for example, at 10 a.m.

And we're in 195 countries. So we got 1 for 25, 000 people March 17th to the 20th here. And we will have people in Australia starting at midnight and going till 1 in the afternoon the next day for 4 days. And people in Italy are doing it a different time. So it's like, we literally have the whole world engaged.

So that's been the blessing of COVID. It's like I always tell people, you use stress or stress uses you, right? I had to figure out how to use COVID and I wanted to serve people and we found the way. But again, none of this happens with your amount of energy. Because your brain will just go, oh man, I've tried everything.

Yeah, you walk yourself out of it. And I love, the thing I love about immersion in events or retreats is that you actually build friendships. That's right. Like the community that's built.

The community for sure.

The community of that accountability of we're doing this together, we're growing together, we're building together that. There are people who think like me and look like me. I'm intrigued, Tony, at this stage in your life, What do you look for in a friend? I'm in a friend.

Yeah, that's interesting question yeah, most of my friends are people that are Unbelievably driven to contribute. I mean, I think you know if you want an extraordinary life Like You don't have to do that much to have a good life for yourself So it's like most of us if you find something you care about more than yourself And I know you know what I'm talking about Jay and you want to serve something like you and I both I think see what We do as a calling. It's not a it's not a work per se. It was work I don't need to work it every other day of my life, but I'm called, you know? So I think my friends are people that are called and my friends are people that are funny because I love to laugh, but they're just, I love, I'm the kind of guy, I'm so easy.

If I go to a movie and somebody sacrifices and does the right thing, I cry my eyes out. It's just like, since I was a little boy, there's something inside me that just says, that's the goodness of the human spirit. And so my friends are people that are made up of that basically. And I have friends that are incredibly successful with the best in the world that they do. I have a lot of friends that are 18 years my senior, 20 years my senior, and I've known them since they were 45, and now they're 75 or 80.

And so they've given me kind of see the road ahead. Everybody's path is different, but the road of life changes. And I'm in a stage in my life now where I'm able to mentor people at a different level, just because I've had so many life experiences I've had to take into history. I've been there with Gorbachev at the point when he's trying to figure out what to do, or Princess Diana when she's deciding does she wanna no longer be princess. I've had some wild experiences, the greatest athletes in the world at key moments in their careers.

So I've had these cool tickets to history which have put things in such a perspective that when stuff happens that upsets people, it's like, you know, compared to what? It's like, you know, it's pretty simple compared to what most people happen to go through. So I feel really blessed. But I hope people, In the book, 1 of the things I hope people pick up that young people don't think about very much is testing. I was never a person that, kind of like you with your wife, right?

Ah, I'm gonna do this thing. And then in order to perform, I learned every biohack. But I don't wanna get in the system and get measured, but today, there's some amazing tests. So I used to be afraid of cancer. There's a brand new test.

1 thing in common in the book I should mention is, I tell you all these stories of these amazing human beings that have created these breakthroughs. And What they all have in common, these huge breakthroughs, some of which took 20 or 30 years and are just now available, they all lost somebody. They lost a wife or a husband or a child or a close patient and it drove them not to accept the standard of care and find a new solution. And so 1 of those is this test called GRAIL. It's a simple blood test anybody can do now.

Just came out 9 months ago, 8 months ago. And it allows you to test your body for any cancer in your body. And it's like, why is that important? Because the National Cancer Institute did a study and they found that if you get diagnosed at stage 2, stage 3 or 4, you have an 80% chance of dying. I prefer I have a 20% chance of living and figuring that out, but their point is well made.

It's hard to turn around. If you get it at stage 1 or 2, You have an 80 to 99.9% chance of living. So, with cancer, it's gonna affect most people in their lifetime. To be able to do a quick blood test and or an MRI for those pieces and know exactly what's going in your body is amazing. We had a doc, a gentleman that came to 1 of our centers and He had already had his physical and his wife said I want you have the very best and he's like I've already done He had a really negative attitude about it, which we understood and 1 of the docs said listen Let's do the grail test on you.

He'd already had your analysis blood tests traditional physical and a guy end up having bladder cancer But it was really early So it was a 20-minute outpatient procedure. He has no cancer. If he wouldn't have caught it, you got a real problem. Another 1 is, it's called a CCTA scan, It's brand new. It's 1 of my doctor friends, 1 of my partners, 1 of my businesses called me up and he says, Tony, and he's like Mr.

Understated, he built 12 hospitals and then he sold them because he wants to be in prevention and regeneration. And he says, Tony, there's been 1 of the greatest breakthroughs in cardiology that I've seen in the last 10 years. You gotta come check it out. What is it? He goes, when a doctor does a CT scan usually don't get that unless you've got a problem There's a lot.

It's hard to read those scans. They're very grave. You're very skilled still miss it But there's this new scan now that uses AI and it literally opens every artery in your body because what they're looking for is soft plaques. Soft plaques can break off and it's called the widow maker. You have your heart attack or a stroke.

If you're, and it happens to people now, 35, 40 years old. It's happening younger and younger because of the lifestyles that we've taken on. But what's interesting is hardened calcium, which is what they see when they do just a traditional, it's healed. So I heard about it, so I'm gonna go do the scan, and I took my father-in-law with me, because he's 80 years old, and people around you when you get older start saying, you should organize your affairs, and I could just see his energy drop, he's a great guy. Anyway, I took him, did the scan, he's perfect.

He's absolutely perfect, and his entire attitude changed. Plus, you know, we have this stuff we do for a lot of the great athletes, I think their career's over, where they scan an area where you've had an injury, and they use ultrasound, and then they use this fluid, amnio fluid, and they open up the channel so that a nerve that's been trapped or some area heals, it heals in minutes. And so my father-in-law also had this hip problem. He healed his hip problem in 30 minutes, his heart's perfect. We get on the airplane on the way home and he looks at me and he goes, you know Tony, these people talk about living to 110, 120, I don't know about that, but I could live another 20 years.

I got a great heart.

I got this great body.

That's amazing. That's amazing. And I'm walking perfectly. He goes, you've only been married to my daughter 22 years. That's like another lifetime, you know?

And so what I love is what it does for people and then and then a same thing with hormones You know when somewhere between 35 and 40 sometimes early 40s hormones start to change radically women are more attuned to hormones but they look a hormone replacement therapy, but like I had a guy that came is 39 years old Gained like I don't know if I think it was like 35 38 pounds or something like that Really working out hard making no progress Lost his sense of drive and we said well if you looked at your hormones He goes yeah, my doc looked at my hormones, my hormones are fine. When we look at the blood test, and his hormones I think were, his testosterone was like 160. Most men don't feel alive, unless they have 700 to 800, some as much as 1, 000. So He doesn't need replacement technically to be alive, but to have his body functioning at ideal was missing. So all he did was a small amount of testosterone, total transformation, loses weight, got his drive, got his libido back, got everything else back.

So there's some little things you can do. There's metal tests. I had a really bad hit with mercury because I was a vegan. Then I felt like I needed some other form of protein, so I started eating fish. And all I had was salad and fish, salad and fish, but I had tuna and swordfish were my favorites.

Those are 75-year-old fish that eat all the smaller fish and we've polluted the water so much now, they're filled with mercury. And so I went to go get this set of tests and they tested me on a 0 to 5, where 5 is extremely concerning, I was 123. And so I've spent the last 4 or 5 years getting that mercury out of my body. It literally was, it interrupts your ATP, your energy level. Like if you start feeling foggy or exhausted or tired, it can be metals.

And about 1 out of every 3 people, including friends that are 25 years old, because of the environment we're in right now, they go and they discover they've got cadmium or they've got lead or they've got mercury. So I really encourage people to go do that metals test. If you're not feeling great, a lot of times when people think it's aging, it's just metals. And you can get them out of your system when they're small and it's a hell of a lot easier than what I've gone through in my life.

Yeah, and it's really interesting because you keep pushing. You can get lost in the fact that it's all in your head. And the truth is it isn't always all in

your head. No, it isn't. Sometimes it's physiological as well.

Yeah, I had that Recently where I was actually feeling fine, but I went and did I went and did a lot of micronutrient tests I did a lot of other tip. I want to go and do a lot of the tests you just recommended I'm gonna definitely ask you where I should go, but I went and did a basic vitamin D test I've been doing these since I was a kid Yeah And I went and my doctor and my health coach was looking at the stats and everything, and she said to me, she said, Jay, you're at a

10.

The average is 60 and 100 is good. She goes, I don't know how you get out of bed in the morning. And I was like.

And that affects your hormones, by the way. Correct. D3 affects your hormones. Yeah, and

I was like, I get out of bed just fine. And she couldn't believe that

I was- You can overcome a lot with your psychology. Correct. Right? I was doing the same thing with mercury in my body.

Correct. But I was thinking, imagine if my body was there too. Just imagine what would be possible. And I think That's why I love what you've done with this book, Lifeforce, because that's what it's placing emphasis on.

It's

like, go get tested. Go check it out. I love how you use the language of coaches, not commanders. You're not saying to anyone, this is exactly what to do and this is how to do it. You're saying, please go and experiment with these things.

Please go and practice them. Implement them into your life. And I cannot wait to figure out how to implement all these things in my life because I think it's so easy to sit back when you're in your 20s, in your 30s, and just go, oh, I'm okay right now. Things are okay. I can pretty much get away with a bad night out or a cheap meal.

You know what else I wrote this before even the subtitle says it? It's for you and somebody you love.

Yes, I love that.

Because at the stage of life you're in, you're gonna start finding more people, whether it be your parents or someone else that's in a challenge. And so there's, like whether it's, like for me at this stage of my life, I know so many people that, I don't know, 2 times a month at least, someone calls me and they have a family member with cancer, or somebody's starting to develop Alzheimer's, or somebody had a stroke, and I didn't know what the hell to do before, right? Because the standard of care is so weak in those areas. But here You've got answers that'll blow your mind. Or you know somebody with Parkinson's, for example, like your grandma or somebody like that.

There's this new technique, it's unbelievable. They use ultrasound. It's called incisionless brain surgery. They don't cut you open anyway. I saw this woman who's on 15 medications.

I don't know if you've seen somebody with Parkinson's, but they can't even hold a glass. She couldn't walk across the room. And it's an outpatient process. It's in 100 universities, and it's covered by insurance now. This is how unbelievable this is, and most people don't know about it.

You go in, it takes about An hour to find the pinpoint spot that's creating the tremor. They treat it for 30 seconds The woman comes out of the MRI, right and she gets up walks across the room I'm watching her and then somebody hands her a glass and it doesn't hit her like at first I don't know if you've ever seen somebody gets those audio implants and they hear for the first time,

they cry. Yes.

But when they enter the glass and she can hold the glass, she just started crying uncontrollably. That was 2 years ago. 2 months ago, she did a 50-mile bike ride. Right? I mean, that's the kind of tools that are available.

Wow. If you've got osteoarthritis, and even kids 35, 40 years old, they're athletes, can create some real challenges in their body there. There's a new injection, this is not approved yet, it's a phase 3 trial. So phase 1 is safety, then phase 2 is efficacy, and then phase 3 is efficacy at scale, then you get approved. It's in the final stage.

They think it'll be approved either in the fall or spring of next year. 1 injection, if you've got osteoarthritis, it causes your own stem cells to regrow all your tendons based on the original DNA input. It's like 16-year-old tendons, even if you're 30, 40, 50, or 60 years old, and no more osteoarthritis, branded tendons inside your body. That's the kind of world we're in right now. These are things that are happening right now that people just don't know about.

Why don't we know about them? Why Is it that you have to go and dig all because it seems like what you've done is you've mind I've got a gun in mind and gone to the very best to bring this to the floor

like all my billionaire friends They all know this because they all want the cutting edge, right? So all I did is kind of took what I did with money master the game That's how I got introduced to some of this And then I and also was my own needs I tore my rotator cuffs so severely I was in a following a 22 year old professional snowboarder down the hill and I'm not a professional snowboarder I could not make those moves and literally when I woke up was unconscious. I thought I broke my neck I ripped my rotator cuffs. So what do you do? I go to 4 different doctors.

They all say surgery, surgery. Well, what's the prognosis? Well, you may not lift your arm above your shoulder again. It could tear again. How long to repair?

How long did rehab? 4 to 6 months. I'm gonna be on stage doing this with 1 arm over here. So I work with a lot of greatest of all-time athletes and Christian Ronaldo was supposed to be out for 3 months He did stem cells. It took him 2 and a half weeks.

So I was like, what about stem? No, no, they don't work They don't work and then it's like I Have a final doc literally looked me in the face and he was a fan of my work. I didn't know going there. And he's like, oh my God, you're the Tony Robbins. He goes on and on, you saved my marriage, you made me all this money, da da da.

And he goes, thanks for hearing that, but now I gotta be your doctor. And he puts my spine up and he goes, life as you know it is over. Literally what he said to me. And I said, well you clearly didn't go to my communication seminar. And he's like, this is not funny.

Don't make a joke. This is real. And he goes, you know, you have severe spinal stenosis. I've been in pain for 14 years. And he goes, 1 good hit and you're quadriplegic.

No more jumping, no more running, no more life. And like if you're hitting the stomach and you're ready for it. I wasn't ready for it I gotta be honest There's 2 hours of my feeling like my life was over and then I got my head back and then I was like, okay I'm gonna check out stem cells and I met Bob Ferrari Well the top guys in the world He told me where to go in the United States the ones I needed, you know for your elbow your knee your own stem cells Might work, but if you're doing a shoulder in the back or something, you need something more powerful He said you need 40 old stem cells. I go I said, I don't want you know, something that comes from baby He goes no, no No He goes when babies are born the cord is filled with this and the placenta's filled with these. And so I went and did 4 days of treatment, just an hour a day of an IV and a shot.

First day I felt sleepy. Second day I had a cytokine response. I wasn't scared, I knew what it was, kind of shaking, freezing for 20 minutes. But then I woke up the next morning and not only was my shoulder perfect, I mean, you get an MRI on my shoulder, you wouldn't even believe it. No downtime, no surgery, but my spinal stenosis is gone.

I got no pain in my spine. And I've had that for 14 years.

So

it's like, that made me, that's why I wrote this book. I became obsessed. Then the Pope invited me to come speak. The Pope puts on the biggest regenerative conference every 2 years, and they wanted me to be the cleanup speaker. I'm like, I'll do that, but I wanna go through all 4 days.

And then I met all these people that were sent home to die with cancer who've been turned around, you know, stage 4 cancer, because some of the techniques in this book. I met Jack Nicklaus, the greatest golfer of all time. He couldn't stand for more than 10 minutes, the pain was so bad. And now he's 8, he did, was supposed to have a spinal fusion, which he did not do, thank God. And he did stem cells, and now he's 82, playing golf and tennis again.

So I was like, I became an evangelist. And then I just, I went and said, I want to learn the best of everything. And I learned it was much more than stem cells. It's this, just like you see technology doubling in power every 18 months and having a cost, we are code now. So Most people have heard of CRISPR.

I mean, we're literally curing diseases that would never have been cured in history before. We're at the beginning of the beginning of that growth curve. It's only up from here and the opportunities are extraordinary. You can think of yourself, but you can also think of people you love who might need your help and now you'll have answers.

Definitely. I'm so grateful to you, Peter and Robert, for putting this book together because, like I said, I just dived into it and into each chapter and it's just so comprehensive. It's so dense. It's got every study and research that you need to convince you that it's out there. And I love what you just added to what I was saying, that we need to go use it for the people we love.

If it's not for us, let's go use it for them.

And then 1 day, because you helped everybody else, it'll be there for you.

You know how to do it. Exactly. Tony, you have been so generous with your time.

Thank you, I've enjoyed it with

you very much, Tim. You've been so generous with your energy. Thank you. And of course, in doing all the work and putting this book together, you can tell that I'm writing my second book right now. And I can tell that when you see a book that is this well-recited and this deeply done, You know that a lot of work has gone into that.

So I want to recommend, we're going to put this in the link, in the caption, in the comment section, everywhere, the link to this book. I know that it's already been an incredible international bestselling book all over the world. So If you haven't already got it, I highly recommend you go and get it, get it for a friend too, get it for a family member. Get it to give it to someone as well, if you know that they need this right now, and of course get it for yourself.

And we're donating, I'm donating 100% of the profits in this book, as I've done in all 3 of my books, last 3 books, to Feeding America. This will be feeding 20 million meals there. And so besides helping yourself, you're helping other people. And then the balance is going for Alzheimer's, cancer, and heart disease research from 3 of the best researchers in the world. So hopefully, the book not only changes your life, but it'll also help other people too.

Yeah, That's phenomenal. So you're contributing as well as

a hundred percent of it.

Yeah, which is absolutely beautiful No, I'm saying I'm saying the audience gets to contribute.

Oh, yes You simply

by even buying the books even buying the book is contributing.

It's true

Tony We end every on-purpose interview with the final 5 These are 5 questions that are aimed at usually 1 word to 1 sentence answers.

Okay. I'm capable of that.

I don't even want to do it with you. I'm like, I don't want to do that with you. I want to break the rules. I'm like, why am I going to restrict your greatness to that? Anyway, so here we go.

These are your final 5. We can totally go off-piste. I do know I don't care All right question number 1 is what is the best advice you've ever received

I think for me My original teacher was Jim Rohn when I met him when I was 17, and I wanted to know why All my father's were broke because they were good men you know I loved all 4 of my father's and And I remember him saying, Tony, we're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace. I was like, what does that mean? And he said, well, think about it. He goes, you need to become more valuable if you want to have economic freedom. He said, you have to work on yourself more than anything else, and you have to work on it in a way where there's something you can do for others better than anyone else, or at least more, a better quality.

And he gave me an example of like working at McDonald's and he said, you know, if you work at McDonald's, you know, you make whatever it was in those days, $5 an hour, whatever it was. And he said, you know, I go, yeah, but that seems so unfair. And he goes, yeah, and teachers, I give the example of teachers, and there's these billionaires, you know, that make a billion dollars a year, hedge fund guy, you know. And he said, Tony, the guy you just mentioned, he provided a 40 percent return last year, and that went to nonprofits and everything else. He said, that means those organizations double their money almost every 2 years.

He is adding massive value Hundreds of billion dollars. They made a billion He goes this person is doing a job that anyone can learn in 20 minutes or a half a day So it's a beginning job. He said you got you got to think of it as 1 thing. It's all about adding value. How can you do more for others than anybody else in the world?

And that stuck with me. I mean, I decided I wanted to do more for others than anybody in the world. In order to do that, I had to have certain skills, and I went after those skills, and I still do. It's a never-ending thing. If you think you're a master, you're full of it,

right?

So I think that's probably some of the best advice I've received, at least on life and business and direction, and it affected my mission.

Yeah, that's great. Second question, what's the worst piece of advice you've ever heard? You've ever heard, not received, maybe received.

Oh my God. Well, I've had lots of pieces of advice about what to do with my body, which would have, you know, like the really sweet man, like sincere man. And I realized that people can be sincere and be sincerely wrong. But Like if I would have taken that drug, you know, I probably would have had cancer. I don't know, I mean, I try not to listen to or forget.

I mean, any advice isn't too good. I think anybody who advises you to give up is the wrong, that's probably the worst advice of all because anything that you persist in long enough, you can find the answer to, I believe.

Yeah. And based on that, also, the first piece of advice you get on your health is not always the right piece

of advice. I'm glad you mentioned this. The Mayo Clinic did a study in 2017. They took 286 patients with various diagnosis, and they took the first diagnosis, and then they had a second doctor do a diagnosis. Only 12% of the time did they match.

That means 88% of the time, the first diagnosis and the second were different. As a result, the Mayo Clinic says, you should always get a second opinion and they believe getting a second even a third 1 refines the diagnosis It makes it better because everyone's working through their perceptions. It's not we think of medicine is like black and white, you know It's right or it's wrong and it's It's a lot of art in medicine people don't realize that and that's why the standard of care doesn't always get the result They want that's why these breakthrough doctors beyond the standard of care. They were attacked some of them beginning like there's a man named Dr. June and there are 2 created these CAR T cells and I think it's Nature just did a publication 10 years later.

In cancer, they never call it a cure. They're actually calling it a cure for the first time, for leukemia and things like liquid cancers. It's amazing. You've got to understand that there's more than 1 opinion, and you don't give up too easily with just 1.

And that applies to life too, in so many ways, like you said.

I always say it's like if it's about your health, if it's about your relationship, if it's about raising your children, if it's about your spiritual development, those are areas where People should be your coach, not your commander. Get lots of input and you decide, because they could be sincere and be sincerely wrong. If you're wrong, at least you learn from your own experience. Absolutely.

Question number 3. What's something you think the majority of people value, but you don't value?

Fame, but it's easy when you have something, then it's like easy to go, oh, everybody wants it. You don't know, but it's like when you

experience it.

When did that happen? Was there ever a time you valued fame or was it the experience of it that made you devalue it a little?

I wouldn't say devalue it. I still appreciate it. It's a privilege. Like I can walk in the room and have people that I have a connection with, but it's been more based on my contribution to them than just being famous per

se.

And I mean, that's the difference. You're like all my friends in the movie business, like somebody comes up and they get upset because they go, they don't even know who I am. They just want something from me. And mine is, it's a privilege, if somebody can be lit up by your presence, to me it's a privilege. So, but I think, I was never pursuing fame.

Yes, yes. You know, I certainly wanted financial freedom because I grew up without it for my family, but I never, I was never looking to be wealthy, but I'm fortunate enough to have a lot of economic freedom at this stage. But I know that there are people that have got billions of dollars, I've worked with them, and they're miserable. People have a billion dollars and they take their own life. What matters is where's your emotional home?

Where do you live emotionally if you're worth a billion dollars and every day you're pissed off and frustrated your life is pissed off and frustrated If you got 3 beautiful children or a beautiful husband or wife and all this love in your life But you're worried all the time. You don't feel the love you're worried So my thing is valuing the emotional home and making it the richest place possible inside.

Because that's

the only thing you can control.

Yeah, you reminded me, I was with 1 of my clients who gets recognized 100 times for every 1 time I would get recognized. And he'd get stopped every 2 seconds if someone would take a picture, maybe someone would come shake my hand and talk to me and we spent a whole day together and this would happen multiple times a day for him and a few times for me and He said something really beautiful with me that that mirrors what you've just said now He said to me said Jay the difference between me getting stopped and you getting stopped is they stop me for who I play in the movies because they stop you for who you

are.

And that's what I feel with you. It's like what you were saying there. It's like that is a privilege and an honor.

Total privilege.

And humbles me because it's the idea of, yeah, like That person, he's like, they don't even know who I am. They don't know what I stand for. They don't know what I care about.

So that

was, yeah. Thank you for sharing that.

Thank you.

All right. Question number 4 is if you could create 1 law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

Love. I mean, I mean, as corny as it is, love is the answer, right? It really is. I think fear is what, you know, if there's a disease of humanity, the disease that messes us up, I think really is selfishness. And I think if there's a cure, it's love.

And I think you can't mandate it, but when people experience it, it becomes a mandate in their life.

I love that. Absolutely. And fifth and final question, you mentioned a book to me that I must read, and you said you wanted to talk about it in the podcast too. So fifth and final question, I thought Maybe I'd let you share on that point. Yeah, my cycles

I think it came out in the early 90s. It's called the fourth turning and It's it has a the conceit of the book is that there are seasons in history And as I mentioned to you earlier if you think about like what gives somebody power in any context, it's 3 things. It's pattern recognition. So if I'm great at running businesses, as I am today, I'm pretty good at it. It's like I recognize there's only so many patterns.

I know what to do. I can anticipate, not react. I can grow it. If you're great in, let's say, the stock market, you know to recognize patterns. If you're great with music, you recognize patterns.

If you're great spiritually, you recognize patterns. But the second skill is you don't just recognize them, you can use them. And then the third skill is when you've recognized and used enough patterns, you start to create them. And that's a different dimension of what's going on. So in this book, you really start to see that humanity changed when we recognized the pattern of the seasons.

Soon as we understood seasons, We didn't have to be wandering through the desert anymore, searching for things. We could stay, we could grow crops, because we found out if you plant in the winter, it doesn't matter how hard you work, nothing happens. But when you know the right time to plant, when you know how to do the right thing at the right time, then all of a sudden, humanity grew into communities and cities and states and everything else. Well, we have also seasons of our life. So, you know, in some of the traditional, let's say, Indian philosophy, as I'm sure you know, we can look at these 4 stages, But we can look at it and say, look, first 20 years of your life, roughly, you're primarily learning and taking things in.

Some of us had to work at 5 years old and so forth, but overall, that's how it is. From 20 to 40, that's springtime. Summer you're figuring out who you are. Okay, they told me all this crap, now I'm going to test it. Do I really believe that?

Does it really work? I now have real relationships. I think I'm invincible. Maybe I'm not. I've been discovered.

20 to 40 is this massive growth period in your life. And if you grow during that time, 40 to 60 is really a reaping time, right? It's like the fall and the autumn and things come together and things go great and then from 60 to 80 and maybe 80 on if You have an extended winter. That's the winter time where now you get to be kind of an elder So everyone is gonna hit winter if they live long enough Meaning Some people experience winter in that 0 to 20 stage some people 20 to 40 When you experience it shapes your life a lot so in America the generation we call the greatest generation is the generation of World War 2 and They were not respected as young people I bring this up because Millennials you know older people very often look at millennials and go, oh, they're snowflakes, they can't handle anything. And some are, in every generation there are people like that.

But the generation that was born, let's say in 1910, That generation, if you think about it, they came of age going to that 20-year-old range. What happened in those 20 years? Well, World War I ended and America was 1 of the winners. And then there was the roaring 20s and new technology and cars and parties and all this abundance. It was everywhere.

So they grew up thinking that's what their life was gonna be like. And at 19 years old, they were born in 1910, it was 1929. And the whole world around the world, people jumping out of buildings, the dust bowl in the middle of the place, jobs lost. I mean, it was intense. And they were called flappers.

They were not respected. They were just partiers. They didn't give a damn about anything. They had no responsibility. And suddenly life hit them, and they grew.

They had to. And they went through 10 years of that depression only to make it to 29 years old when it's now 1939, and World War II breaks out, and you and I weren't alive then, but anybody alive then will tell you, Hitler was winning. Countries were dropping, and your country, and London was being bombed. I mean, it did not look like we were gonna win. It was dark, right?

And they made it through that, went over, fought the war and won. So they had this stage of their life from 20 to 40, which was a horrendous experience, but it made them so strong. And they came back heroes, and they started the next springtime, Because that was winter, right? So next springtime was the late 40s after World War II through the 1950s, early 60s until Kennedy was shot. That kind of 18, 20-year period was a period of great prosperity and growth and everything's easy.

And then you have a summer which is always internal conflict. And you can see this in a thousand years of Roman history. Every 1, 800 years, you've seen the same patterns. And then after that, you have another fall where finances flow, stock markets rise, everything blows again. This happens over and over and over again through history.

So when you see it, it gives you perspective. And so we're in winter right now. We've been in winter since about 2008, and we're not done. We probably got another 6, if history shows, if it's repetitive, it's not exact. There's probably another 7 or 8 years of this and what happens in winter is the external world gets the last winter was World War 2 and the external world is reformed Different countries relate in a different way, you know a new reserve currency happened United States became the dominant force now You're dealing with China.

We're seeing the challenges happening in Russia and the Ukraine. We're seeing things all over the world. People are looking at life differently. People are worried about whether the planet's gonna survive or not, global warming. And so there's gonna be a lot more turmoil.

There's internal turmoil within most countries, including the United States. But what I try to tell people and hopefully helps them is winter does not last forever. No pandemic has lasted forever. No war has lasted forever. And what's next is springtime.

If you were God, when you work it out that way, After the vicious night, you have this beautiful day. After the tough winter, there's this nice springtime. So the goal right now is to get strong in winter, not to fold. If you can be strong in this season, in your business, in your life, then when springtime comes, it's a piece of cake. And if you do well in business during this time, if you look at the Fortune 1000s, 65% of them were born in a winter, in a depression or a recession.

Whether it's Exxon or it's Disney and depressions, or whether it's Pizza Hut or Federal Express that was done in a recession, or Apple or Microsoft in a recession. So if you do well then, you tend to do well through time. And so this is a time, not to say, oh, it's winter, I'm gonna freeze to death. It's like, no, it's a time to learn, grow, expand, spend time with your family, snowboard, take advantage of the season, and don't think the season is forever. And if you read a book like this, it's a book that like some of the greatest leaders I know have all read this book.

I got, they also wrote a book called Generations. It's about 550 pages of Anglo-American history. And it shows how each generation affects it. So what you start seeing is there's patterns here. There's patterns in history.

This isn't forever. How do I use what's in front of me instead of freaking out and saying, oh my God, the whole world's coming to an end? Because it looks like that when the dark night of the winter happens or the dark night of

the soul.

Yeah, Tony Thank you so much.

Thank

you everyone. Tony Robbins life force the books available right now We're gonna put the link in the captions the comments everywhere. I highly recommend that you go and grab this book It will not disappoint and as you heard today We've just skimmed the surface on the level of insight and wisdom that exists within this book Please please please go and grab a copy Tony. I want to thank you from the bottom of

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for my pleasure It's incredible honor Have me in your home And I hope this is the first of many, many meetings.

I look forward

to it too. Thank you

so much. I'm so grateful.

Blessings to you, brother.

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