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Speaker 1

00:00

The Jorogun experience International politics scares the shit out of me mm-hmm with this Britney grinder trade for that arms dealer scares the shit out of me

Speaker 2

00:09

man You know what's funny? Oh So I had 1 path I Had 1 passive wonder I had like 1 understanding of it Where I'm like oh? So she broke a rule Rules seems like not that big of a deal

Speaker 1

00:27

nothing

Speaker 2

00:27

But you know as my friend Chris Reasons that rules is rules so she she breaks a rule, and I'm like holy shit. They're really like using her as a political pawn

Speaker 1

00:37

Yeah,

Speaker 2

00:38

and then They get her back with an arms dealer Traded an arms dealer, and you Wonder about whether that's an asymmetrical somehow an asymmetrical trade, but I don't know I don't know what's going on And then you and then you just it's kind of like oh, I'm glad she's back And then you and then talk about the outrage machine, then you read like a narrative that be like we traded International arms dealer, what's his nickname? Dr. Death or some shit merchant

Speaker 1

01:10

of death

Speaker 2

01:10

merchant of death for a dope smoker We didn't get the Marine back The person didn't want the national anthem played at their games right and you go like oh There's a there's a narrative that I you know I mean

Speaker 1

01:25

yeah

Speaker 2

01:25

There's like a well-crafted narrative that I didn't put together

Speaker 1

01:28

have you ever seen Russia's take on it no Oh my god it's it's kind of crazy because it turned out that they offered 1 or the other. They offered either Paul Whelan,

Speaker 2

01:39

who was

Speaker 1

01:40

the Marine. Oh really?

Speaker 2

01:41

Yeah. Or that's what that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1

01:43

Yeah well that's what NBC was saying as well And then they redacted it and changed their story. But yeah, that's supposedly it was a 1 versus 1. You could pick which 1.

Speaker 1

01:56

And in Russia, there's this political show, Sort of like a Fox News type show where they make it see if you can find it Jamie. I'll see if you do Do you know what it is? So the in this Thing they're just completely mocking Like well, he's 1, you know, she has 1 thing going against him He is a man And also, you know, he is white. Like here, meanwhile in Russia, top state propagandists reveal the narrative they'll be pushing to harm Biden and enrage Americans about the exchange of Britney Griner for Viktor Bout by falsely claiming that it wasn't Russia's decision to oppose Whelan's release as opposed to Greiner.

Speaker 1

02:37

So it's hard to say. This person who's saying this is saying that it was Russia's decision to oppose Whelan's release who they think was spying. I don't know if he was or wasn't. He may have been.

Speaker 1

02:51

May have been arrested for espionage. But see if you can find the video. But it's going to be in Russian. They don't have it known, but you see the translation.

Speaker 1

03:02

Well, people are listening now. Yeah, we'll translate it.

Speaker 2

03:04

He's got a great point, Joe. Yeah, he does.

Speaker 1

03:10

So, of course, I was very amused but not surprised that Bout was exchanged for Griner and not Whelan. First of all, I congratulate Bout and his entire family. For many years, we have been in touch with his family and with him personally to the extent it was possible.

Speaker 1

03:26

We communicated with him to the extent that we could. Of course, this is a huge joy and relief for all of us. I can't even imagine, I can't see anymore, Jamie. You touched it.

Speaker 1

03:38

Just go full screen. But he was not exchanged for the heroic spy because he is a spy, Whelan is a spy. He was apprehended while receiving information on a flash drive. He said he was supposed to get photos of churches and Sergei Posad on a flash drive.

Speaker 1

04:00

You send the church photos to WhatsApp, right? That's where we get them. Look where I've been. Quality would be decent, no worse than on a flash drive.

Speaker 1

04:11

He is a spy, therefore, to them, he is a hero. He is a hero, decorated Marine, covered in medals. He only has 1, no 2, no 3 problems. His first problem is he is white.

Speaker 1

04:26

Second problem is he is a man. Third problem, he is a heterosexual. And they're laughing. This is not something that can be forgiven today.

Speaker 1

04:33

It's just a catastrophe. Yet here, Griner beats him in every aspect. American voters were given a choice. A hero who suffered while serving his fatherland, a metal-covered hero who suffered during his service to his fatherland, the United States, or a black lesbian hooked on drugs, oh Jesus, who suffered for a vape with Hashish and well known for the sake of PR.

Speaker 1

05:07

American voters are choosing the obvious. I think for us it's 1 more piece of good news. First good news is that Bout has returned. The second good news is that a nation that spits on its heroes to the extent that it considers it significantly more important to free a rightly charged, well-known athlete.

Speaker 1

05:31

She didn't suffer because she served her motherland, but because she couldn't live for 10 hours without her hashish instead of freeing that person in prison for 2 years for serving his motherland. This says a lot about the state of this society. So this is just like basically Fox News in Russia. It's obviously a very propaganda driven show, but that's the thing about Russia.

Speaker 1

05:58

You can't have a show That shits all over the government in Russia. You could never have like what an MSNBC was Mocking openly mocking Trump and you know CNN was constantly talking about Trump, and it was jacking up their ratings That's like not even possible in Russia. Yeah, you can't have a show like that

Speaker 2

06:15

ruskies be all over your ass.

Speaker 1

06:17

Oh, yeah Yeah, well you could never Society like this This is what people don't understand when they try to impose censorship. It goes all the way through. You will eventually get to a point where it's only state-sanctioned information that's allowed to be distributed if you allow censorship.

Speaker 1

06:35

Because they've already shown that the government is deeply embedded in social media. And this is 1 of the things that's most disturbing about these revelations about whether it's the FBI or whatever intelligence agencies were behind censoring certain people off of Twitter and removing certain people off of Twitter and removing certain narratives and certain stories like the Hunter Biden laptop story. If you support that because it fits with your ideology, Ultimately you support government control over a narrative and that is it's gonna go the other way if a Republican gets an office Then you're gonna deal with a similar problem imagine if there's Imagine if instead of hunter biden's laptop, it was Donald Trump jr.'s laptop and Donald Trump jr.'s laptop he's getting foot jobs by prostitutes and smoking street crack

Speaker 2

07:22

in Vietnam.

Speaker 1

07:24

You think they would have censored that off of Twitter?

Speaker 2

07:26

You think

Speaker 1

07:26

they would have censored that off of Twitter? And said we can't verify the information. We don't know whether or not it's true.

Speaker 1

07:31

It has all the earmarks of Russian disinformation. It's not a fucking chance in hell. That's the problem. The truth dies with censorship.