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Speaker 1

00:00

The Joe Rogan experience.

Speaker 2

00:02

What do you think of all his stuff?

Speaker 1

00:06

I don't know what's happening, right? Like what is what really happened? And why is Romania going after him?

Speaker 1

00:13

Are they being pressured by someone else to do this? Like what is the reason why they're doing it and what do they have on him? I don't know

Speaker 2

00:19

Yeah, well that to me is the right answer it How nobody knows a lot of people are acting like they know if you go really well They want him which is crazy.

Speaker 1

00:30

They want him to go down and they want him, he represents something. He represents toxic masculinity.

Speaker 2

00:35

Well he is, he is sort of toxic. I mean he says crazy stuff.

Speaker 1

00:39

Romania authorities, they seize his car collection as investigation continues.

Speaker 2

00:42

The 1 thing I don't get about this, well I do get, I understand, People are actually like want the charges to be true Which is crazy because that would mean a lot of bad shit to it happened to a lot of bad people

Speaker 1

00:52

Yeah, I would rather the charges be incorrect. You know look Romania, I don't know what their system is like I don't know whether they're corrupt I've heard things, but I don't know I don't have any real information So I'd be talking out of my ass to say You know if he really did like sex traffic people if you really did all the things he's saying Well, I hope that gets Proven in court and I hope he gets punished if he really did that if he didn't do that I hope he gets exonerated and I hope he gets the fuck out of Romania. I don't know I don't know what he did I know a lot of what he does is theater right a lot of what he does is very like satire He He plays the role of this boastful misogynist who smokes cigars and drives Lamborghinis and that's his thing and because of that he's amassed an amazing amount of money and He's done it by doing this characters online persona But then also says very wise things He says ridiculous shit, but also says really interesting things He's a very smart guy If you listen to him being interviewed by Patrick bet David Patrick bet David interviewed him after he got canceled off of all social media and Patrick is fantastic.

Speaker 1

02:01

He's really good at letting people talk and talking to everybody and Patrick is so wealthy and so successful outside of the world of podcasting that he only does it because he's interested

Speaker 2

02:13

in it.

Speaker 1

02:14

And so He's the perfect guy to handle that because he does not afraid of talk to talk to anybody will talk to anybody. And so he had him on for a long form conversation. They talk for hours and you get to see this is a very intelligent and calculated guy.

Speaker 1

02:27

You might not agree with his message. You might not agree with all the misogynist stuff. You might not agree with and I don't agree with it. You might not agree with all the the crazy antics But you cannot deny that that's been incredibly successful because it resonates with a lot of young men who don't feel Represented in the media and they see this guy and It looks like fun.

Speaker 1

02:45

Do they agree with what he's saying that doesn't mean they agree with it. It's fun. It's like pro wrestling He's like a bad guy in pro wrestling. He's a heel.

Speaker 1

02:53

He's smoking cigars.

Speaker 2

02:54

It's Lamborghinis and see that's where I go I go I Think there's probably a lot of people think that and then I think there's probably other people who take it seriously Oh, yeah, where that's where it's a super

Speaker 1

03:07

that is where it gets fucked up It where it gets fucked up is like young boys repeating the shit that he's saying to young girls Because I

Speaker 2

03:15

mean he said they're supposed property and he owns them which is nuts and so you hope people are like Oh, that's an act the 1 thing. I will say for an intelligent guy, which I agree with you he is To be doing the things he's being accused of doing and then go seek publicity is a very unwise move. If he did the thing correct then then it's like what you would think if you're committing atrocities you would try to stay under the radar he does quite the opposite.

Speaker 1

03:45

Yeah but again we don't know. No nobody knows. That's the problem is...

Speaker 1

03:49

That's like the

Speaker 2

03:50

pizza thing the pizza box I don't know if you saw that everybody saying he got busted because of the pizza box And then the authorities like that nothing to do it.

Speaker 1

03:57

No, they knew he was in Romania It was just what's that word shot and fraud

Speaker 2

04:01

shot and fruit

Speaker 1

04:01

shot and fruit That's been what it was like He's making fun of Greta Thunberg and then he gets fucking arrested right afterwards. It's kind of hilarious Yeah, the way it happens like people said it's the biggest like self self Oh third

Speaker 2

04:13

biggest tweet or retweet. It was Greta. I mean it was yeah, it was okay.

Speaker 1

04:17

It's kind of funny when she said that's what happens You don't recycle

Speaker 2

04:20

you get

Speaker 1

04:20

that was That was good Chad that shit's hilarious. You got to give it to her look and also like why are you going after some 19 year? Old autistic I tried to really

Speaker 2

04:29

I tried

Speaker 1

04:30

to change

Speaker 2

04:31

like figure out whether that was provoked. Like he just did that out of the blue?

Speaker 1

04:36

Yeah, yeah, he's just talking shit.

Speaker 2

04:38

Now again, that move from somebody who's being accused of sex trafficking, I think rape was thrown in there, and then you're out there being like, look at me, look at me, crazy. Again, but what you said nailed it. Nobody

Speaker 1

04:49

else. Yeah, I think the latest thing that they're saying is tax evasion, right? Isn't that what they're saying?

Speaker 3

04:57

I'll be honest with you, I'm Googling them now. I just found an exclusive story on Vice that says the reason he was kicked off of Big Brother is not the reason that was publicly known or what was thought of. It says that he was arrested for suspicion of rape in 2015.

Speaker 1

05:13

He was investigated Over allegations of sexual assault and physical abuse in the UK during which time he appeared on Big Brother for 5 days

Speaker 3

05:21

It's just posted a little bit ago

Speaker 1

05:23

UK authorities declined to prosecute

Speaker 3

05:26

this says that he was they've Told the producers of The show like 5 days before he was kicked off and then a video was found of him And a girl doing something that then they came out and said this was like a kinky video They were making and everyone thought

Speaker 1

05:40

the girl came out and said that that was very consensual and that they were Doing roleplay and that they like to do this thing where he would like beat her up

Speaker 3

05:48

or started saying that didn't have anything To do with why?

Speaker 2

05:52

This is 1 of the perfect.

Speaker 1

05:53

No, this is 1 of

Speaker 2

05:54

the perfect examples though kind of what we're talking about I like I don't fucking believe vice. I don't believe how can you believe anything that is said about somebody so controversial because everybody Seemingly has already made up their mind Right where to get real information on him who knows

Speaker 1

06:11

all the objectionable stuff. I think also was unnecessary I think if you want, I mean, I don't know him if I did know him I would tell him all the the Boastful shit and the the shit about him being you know the top G and all that stuff all that shit's great But the misogynistic stuff like if you have Daughters or if you have a wife or if you have sisters stuff like that, you don't want that Well, you know that that that narrative like putting that out there. That's negative to everybody.

Speaker 1

06:39

It's not it's not even positive to him It's like it's not necessary

Speaker 2

06:43

We had him on 1 of our podcasts and he almost struck me exactly how you said like for let's say talking for 10 minutes. I'm like oh Making sense smart and then he says something so wild over-the-top literally like women are my property like I own them it's like whoa, what'd you just say and That's what he does. But yeah, he's also selling that class it what

Speaker 1

07:05

is the class? Hustlers university, what is that? What

Speaker 2

07:09

are they teaching people? To hustle.

Speaker 1

07:11

Well, what do they teach?

Speaker 2

07:12

Are they? To hustle.

Speaker 1

07:15

They can quit at any time they want it's

Speaker 2

07:17

like 70 bucks a month right become a top G Literally

Speaker 1

07:21

I mean is that bad I don't know I mean is it is it a con game or is it is he trying to? Give them legitimate information. What is he giving him other than what he's already said in interviews and like what how is it a university like what is he has people

Speaker 2

07:37

who and that's where it's a grayer because I

Speaker 1

07:39

don't they're like professors hustlers University experience modern wealth creation

Speaker 2

07:47

yeah no this is what he said like a me so many grifters main business

Speaker 1

07:52

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Speaker 3

07:57

This weird countdown thing is such a...

Speaker 1

07:59

Oh, that's hilarious.

Speaker 2

08:00

Oh my God, I only have... It's just recycled?

Speaker 1

08:01

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Speaker 3

08:05

and that's gonna be 147

Speaker 1

08:07

Jesus enroll now Jamie you have an hour before the class and roll Let's enroll. Let's enroll. What do we have to do?

Speaker 1

08:15

Click on that enroll now. Okay, what do I have to do? The real world has launched a completely matrix independent platform where we teach you how to make money in the digital age How do they teach you how to make money?

Speaker 2

08:27

Do you just hustle man? You just hustle It's also another thing like this matrix thing which he has which again I I Am a firm believer based on my experience like people are out to get you. They're out to get you He also if he committed these crimes He's sort of brilliant be like they're coming For me in the next couple days because you know they're coming and then your father's gay.

Speaker 2

08:48

Uh-huh. He was right It's like a self-fulfilling product who knows

Speaker 1

08:52

right,

Speaker 2

08:52

but I will say He goes too far like and yeah You think rational people be like, whoa, You're crazy, but there's a lot of you know and that's where anything's a slippery.

Speaker 1

09:03

He's also a wild dude that lives in the world Of kickboxing and that that is a wild group of people I mean you pay attention to like top-flight kickboxers like the Badr Hari's and I mean there's some Melvin manhoef There's some wild fucking people in that world. That is a crazy world where there's not a lot of money and you're facing fucking straight-up killers and You know, I mean, there's all sorts of different personalities in that world, But it's a different kind of human. They're just wild Masculine very aggressive people, you know, and that's that's part of his shtick

Speaker 2

09:40

But he if you want to use the word toxic masculinity, he's

Speaker 1

09:45

He's it that well the the bad stuff that he said it bodies that

Speaker 2

09:49

yes

Speaker 1

09:49

Yeah, yeah, and that's what people are that's why people are rooting for what he said to be true because they don't want that

Speaker 2

09:56

right But you're still crazy to root for that because you're not thinking about the victims that would be but you're basically that that means a lot of people were hurt

Speaker 1

10:03

Well, it means if it's true you want them to be punished,

Speaker 2

10:07

correct?

Speaker 1

10:08

Like hoping that it's not true when it is true is not good either No, but you know saying like If you're hoping that it's true and it's not true, that's horrible because you are hoping for people to have been victimized. I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2

10:21

Yes, right. Yeah. I mean, you should never hope violent crimes are committed.

Speaker 1

10:26

Right. Absolutely agreed. Yeah, for sure. But you also hope that He's not accused of these things when it's just because of his bombastic personality and talking shit and getting all this attention Which he clearly has done you got to wonder how much of it is sat like when he talked to Piers Morgan That was a very interesting conversation because Piers confronted him on all these things and he did a great job of explaining what he does and why he does it and and you know it's like the guy went viral in a way that no 1 has and so quickly yeah in a while what were like my 12 year old and my 14 year old were asking me about it

Speaker 2

10:59

yeah no He was it

Speaker 1

11:00

yeah all over tic-tac and all over everything and and if you just that's a scary part

Speaker 2

11:05

in a weird way If you're 12 year old than 14 year olds are hearing some

Speaker 1

11:09

right

Speaker 2

11:10

the outrage like nobody wants

Speaker 1

11:12

yeah

Speaker 2

11:15

Yeah, he didn't even have a tick-tock. I think and he was like the number 1 guy in tick-tock crazy.

Speaker 1

11:19

I Think they probably banned him right I mean they banned him from everything they banned him from Facebook Yeah, he's still on his 1.

Speaker 2

11:25

Yeah, Elon brought him back.

Speaker 1

11:26

Yeah, which listen I agree with I think you should be able I don't think banning people's the way. I think this exchange with Greta Thunberg is a perfect example of how to counteract that. She just mocks him.

Speaker 1

11:40

And then he gets arrested and she has the fucking tweet of the year making fun of his arrest in a fucking perfect one-liner. That's what happens. You don't recycle your pizza box.

Speaker 2

11:49

Yeah, right now.

Speaker 1

11:50

It's genius That's why it's good that someone like that is on social media because you get You