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2103: The Optimal Dose of Creatine, the Ideal Time to Change Your Workout, the Value of Adding Rotation to Exercises & More

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If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only 1 place to go. Mind Pump. With your hosts, Sal DiStefano, Adam Schafer, and Justin Andrews.

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In today's episode, we answered listeners' questions after a 46-minute introductory conversation. So we're talking about fitness, current events, studies, and much more. By the way, you can check the show notes for timestamps if you want to fast forward to your favorite part. You can also ask us a question that we can answer on an episode like this 1 by going to Mind Pump Media on Instagram each Sunday and posting under the QUAH meme.

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01:34

1 of the challenges with going on a bulk is gaining body fat. Now aside from strength training and exercising properly, here's something you could do to minimize fat gain. Eat way more protein. In other words, a very high calorie diet that puts you in a surplus that has a good amount of protein will make you gain more body fat than 1 that has most of those calories coming from extra protein.

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Speaker 2

01:59

It's true. Even though studies show that there's a maximum benefit you can get from protein when it comes to muscle building. You're actually less likely to gain body fat when your excess calories are coming from protein. So it's just 1 thing you can do when you go into bulk to minimize fat gain.

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02:14

So Studies will show this, right?

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Speaker 3

02:15

Protein, protein, protein.

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Speaker 2

02:17

Yeah, so it's like if you're already at 1 gram per pound of body weight, and you need to increase your calories by let's say another 300 calories, and you're like, do I do it with carbs or fat? If you did it with protein, you're less likely to gain body fat from that than you would from the fat or carbs. Um, so it's just,

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Speaker 3

02:35

no, it's not. It's the

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02:35

only thing. It's just a little more difficult cause you get satiated, right? And so to up your, your calorie intake is going to take,

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Speaker 2

02:42

that's the 1 challenge. That's, that's why I was going to say,

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02:45

creative options.

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02:46

That's why if you're in a bulk, I was just going to say that Justin, it's hard when you're eating a bulk anyway because you're eating more calories. If it's super high protein, it's even harder because protein's so satiating. So a strategy you can use is to get a hyper-palatable protein shake.

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Speaker 2

03:01

So like the Paleo Valley chocolate bone broth, which tastes like chocolate donuts.

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Speaker 5

03:05

Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4

03:05

it does actually. I can verify it finally.

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Speaker 2

03:08

Oh, what'd you think?

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Speaker 4

03:09

Yeah, it was like a shake.

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Speaker 2

03:11

Am I telling the truth?

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Speaker 4

03:11

Yeah, like milkshake.

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Speaker 2

03:12

Yeah, you could have like a 20 gram shake with each meal, Or a 30 gram shake with each meal or something like that, right now you've just bumped your calories It's an easier way to take in the calories because it's liquid And you're less likely to gain body fat than if you added carbs or fats So have you ever experimented with anything like that

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Speaker 3

03:28

adding protein when I'm

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03:30

even higher though Then then let's say the the 1 gram per pound

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Speaker 3

03:33

of course No, I mean when I was competing in your when I'm pushing that many calories it was actually almost impossible not to be more than 1 and a half. Yeah, it was hard. If anything, I had to be careful not to go too extreme with that.

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Speaker 3

03:47

But when you're eating that many calories and trying to hit protein intake, at that point I'm hitting 300 grams many times on a regular basis. Now granted, remember I've talked about working my way up there and if I'm not dieting, if I'm eating how I am right now, I'm the other. So I'm 1 extreme or the other. If I'm hardcore bodybuilder, me training like crazy, meal prepping, I'm super high on the protein intake because I know how crucial that is.

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Speaker 3

04:16

If I'm not my body, I'm just I'll naturally gravitate to carbohydrates sugars you know stuff like that and so yeah, I know I've experimented with that all the way and also Making sure that I when I go off of training with a high protein diet that I'm careful to not go to the opposite extreme right away because that's 1 of the fastest recipes for me to pare down and lose muscle. So just by simply keeping that up or trying to keep it up as high as I can while I'm going the other direction makes a huge difference on me being able to retain lean body mass. Yeah.

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Speaker 4

04:48

And I noticed you put like easily digestible protein. Cause like also too, I mean, if you're doing that from like all animal sources and whole foods, like I can imagine some people having a hard time in terms of like, You know, maybe constipation or something being an issue like maybe upping their fiber intake alongside that might be good

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Speaker 2

05:06

Yeah, so psyllium husk is good. You can add that to Your meals to help with digestion add your you know well cooked vegetables but mainly it's when people at when they go real high protein and then they add a lot of shakes on top of it, a lot of people don't realize that they don't digest their shakes very well. So you hear people talk about how, oh yeah, if I have more than 1, you know, protein shake, I fart and whatever clears the room or I feel whatever.

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Speaker 2

05:32

So pick 1 that's really easy to digest. I talked about the bone broth because it's mainly collagen. Collagen is super, in fact, it's the 1 protein that's pretty universally recommended to people with gut issues because it's benefit in the gut, but also because it's easy to digest. So it's like if you're going to eat that much protein and you're doing it with a shake because it's hard to get it from Whole Foods in a bulk, choose 1 that's really easy to digest.

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05:59

But just to, again, hammer this home, if your fats are good, so the advice I'm giving here, if you're, if you could use an increase in fats, cause you need more healthy fats or essential fatty acids, we'll go there first, right? Carbs are not essential. So you can go 0 carbs, even on a bulk, but they're not, it's not ideal to go 0 carbs in a bulk because you tend to limit your strength and your performance. So let's say those were already okay.

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06:24

Fats and carbs are okay, but hey, I got to add another 400 calories. If you make it protein, you're less likely to gain body fat. You're more likely to gain more muscle. Protein has got this kind of thermogenic effect along with it.

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Speaker 2

06:39

So like a calorie is not exactly a calorie in this particular sense because protein tends to be utilized more for tissue. It's a little bit more expensive to burn. So it's harder to gain body fat on the same calories when the protein is high versus when the protein is lower. So that's the point here, right?

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Speaker 2

06:58

It's like, okay, I want to go to bulk. But a lot of times, especially with women, they're afraid of gaining body fat. It's like bump the protein up, even if you're at a gram of protein per pound of body weight, bump the protein up, and you're less likely to gain body fat. Of course, combine it with really good strength training and kind of watch what happens.

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Speaker 3

07:15

How's your guys' training going right now?

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Speaker 4

07:17

Oh, right. I think I've been experimenting with some old school lifts and doing some things, trying to get back into some of the unconventional side of things a bit. So yeah, it's been kind of fun.

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Speaker 4

07:32

More like grip training, intensive grip training.

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Speaker 2

07:35

Oh yeah?

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07:36

Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, getting back into, like we were having a conversation at lunch really about sleds and that was 1 of those things that I notice when I haven't done them for a while and then I get back into it. And like what that just does for me from our overall like training volume in general, like I just don't, I feel like I'm way less volume in terms of for the week when I'm not, you know, incorporating the sled.

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Speaker 4

08:01

So that's something I started doing up again and it's helped kind of bring my energy levels up, my strength and all that too.

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08:07

The sled is like, God, I wish I used it for my clients, but I never used it for myself when I was younger. I wish I knew the benefits for, I mean, for muscle building, mobility. I need the least amount of priming and warming up to do it.

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Speaker 2

08:24

I almost never or ever feel the day after like, ooh, that's a little tight there. I always feel good from doing the sled. And then strength and muscle gains are great on it. When I add the sled, then my other lifts tend to go up.

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08:39

It's like this, it's like a weird combination of recuperative and performance, which A lot of exercises fall under 1 or the other.

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08:47

Oh,

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08:47

I totally love this. So I do that probably once a week, but with my workouts, I'm going back into lower rep training, although I was sick last week, so I had to kind of back off and go real easy, but I'm going back to lower rep training just to see. I'm just having fun.

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09:02

I'm trying to see how strong I can get. I have a goal of, I mean, who knows if this will happen and I'm not going to push it to the point where I hurt myself, but I'd like to get, I got a 605 pound deadlift, what, 4 months ago. I'd like to 1 day get to like 700 if possible.

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09:17

Being a 700 club.

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09:19

That'd be crazy, right?

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09:20

I mean, that's crazy being in your mid 40s and already been like at your peak of training for a long time to try and move 100 pounds up on your deadlift.

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09:30

Well, now I got hormones optimized. I'm all,

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09:33

every peptide

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09:33

I want. I mean, you do have, but I mean, I tell you what though, I mean, you do have that to your advantage which does help you.

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09:39

Of course.

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09:39

But

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09:39

I also think that it's an example of a highlights that you are already optimizing so much of everything else that it's hard to, I mean, that just shows you like, yes, hormones make a massive difference, but when you're somebody who's doing all the other big rocks it doesn't make as massive a difference as you would think it would. Like people just assume like, oh, okay, he's on hormones now, so oh yeah, this, that, everything's easier. Oh, it's like, no, it's like you were doing a lot of those, all those things before.

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10:06

And then now that's optimized. So of course it gives you a little more of an edge.

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10:09

I mean, I'm saying I'd like to do it. Will I? I'm very unlikely.

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Speaker 2

10:13

Uh, I definitely don't want to hurt myself. Um, but I just, uh, it would be great just to be able to say that.

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10:19

So where are you at these days, Adam?

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10:21

You know, I've had like a shitty past 2 weeks. Ever since we moved to Asheville, I think I trained twice since then. So I've had like really an off couple weeks.

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10:32

We had people sick at the house, I've had all the normal excuses, but I just haven't been feeling in the, I haven't been in my rhythm again.

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10:41

You looked like you had a good workout on, what was it, Friday? That was 1 of the better ones, right?

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10:44

Yeah, I did.

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10:44

You had your headphones on, you were getting up for it.

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10:45

Yes, I was. That was actually, that was a decent, that was probably my best lift since we've been back from Nashville, is that you're right. So I'm starting to, you know, I didn't get sick.

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10:54

Like you went through like a really nasty cold for a week. Katrina and Max both got sick. I never got sick like all of you guys, but it felt like my body was trying to fight off whatever you got. So you had

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11:04

like a mild version of it?

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11:05

Yeah. And so I just, every day I had like this kind of itchy throat and I didn't have the energy and stamina. I wasn't getting the best of sleep because I wasn't breathing well at night. And so I've just kind of been, I've been off.

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11:16

I really haven't been on my shit lately. So now thank God for the, you know, Don Saladino and shooting us all those meals. I mean, that's been a lifesaver for me because having those meals already ready and so like at least I'm making good food choices right so like that's probably the biggest thing I know I brought this up probably a hundred times now on the show but you know it's this has been my journey like with health and fitness is in my 20s I swung the pendulum really hard left to right all the time. It's like, I'm on, I'm jacked, I'm fit, I'm doing it all, when I'm not, eating like an asshole, not doing anything, and I would just allow my body fat and percentage and everything to just swing.

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11:59

The swings are way less now. I'm very mindful of when I'm not in the rhythm, I'm not, you know, I'm not tracking my protein. I'm not staying consistent with the training to really be mindful of how I allow myself to kind of go off the rails with nutrition. And because of that, it's been nice, man.

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12:19

It's like when I do kick it back up, it's like within a week, I already feel, you know, Katrina always complains or talks shit. Like, oh my God, it's so frustrating watching you. Like, I feel like I train always consistently. You take breaks all the time and then you get right back in it, and it's like you're right back to shape.

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Speaker 3

12:34

And I just think I've really, really stopped those crazy swings, and so I don't feel that way.

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12:39

You got that muscle memory just working for you. I think the longer you do this, the longer you're consistent, the easier it is to get back into shape when you get out

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12:47

of shape. It really is. Like I feel like that's not expressed enough.

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12:51

You know, there's so much talk around getting older, how much it sucks. Yeah. You know, how, oh, you're an old man now, and oh, and the fear of being an older dad, and like, ain't gonna be able to move with your son. And like, there's all this negative shit about getting older.

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Speaker 3

13:06

I'm like, shit, I'd be honest with you. Like, okay, you're right. Like, I can't jump up and dunk a basketball like I was, but then I also haven't trained to do that, right? I also know if I applied myself, I could do a lot of these things if I really cared.

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Speaker 3

13:16

But what I love is the ability to maintain strength and muscle and a physique that I trained my ass off in my 20s trying to get to where by default, I mean, bad shape me looks better than great shape me in his 20s working out 7 days a week every single day for years.

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13:38

I know this needs to be communicated more.

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13:39

It's not.

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13:40

I used to, you know what I used to say that I was wrong on? I used to tell people whatever you do to get in shape is what you have to do to stay in

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13:47

shape.

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Speaker 2

13:47

That's actually not true, with strength training at least. With strength training, the amount of training and volume that you need to, let's say, build 5 pounds of muscle, and let's say bench press 200 pounds, you need maybe a third or less of the volume and training to maintain. In fact, some studies show even less than that.

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Speaker 2

14:07

Some show a little more, but the point is less. So it's like, you mean I could get in shape and then like just to stay in shape, I can kind of maintain it with way less work? You can, As long as your diet's

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Speaker 3

14:17

good, right? Sometimes I feel guilty, but I also think it's important to communicate this on a podcast like this, is that, you know, I'm really not neurotic about my fitness at all. Like, I hit the big blocks or the big rocks, I take care of it.

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Speaker 3

14:32

I allow myself to have this freedom of having drinks and going off a little bit, of not training for 2 weeks. And I don't stress about none of it. It's like, and then I can get right back in it. And it doesn't take a lot.

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Speaker 3

14:43

I ain't gonna train hella hard. It's like, you know, it's wild that when you've laid that solid foundation of years and decades in this case for all of us of training, actually how easy it is to stay and maintain a good, healthy physique and stay in good shape. It's really not that difficult. I think we really over complicated the hard part.

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15:07

It's really the ideal place to be.

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Speaker 3

15:09

If at least I feel selfishly, I feel that way. I feel like I don't have to think about it hardly at all just to make sure I get in and I, you know, another really big 1 that has helped me as I've gotten older that I didn't do in my early 20s that I do now is prioritizing the big lifts. Like I was a typical 20 year old teenage lifter where it was like the beach muscles, the curls, all the cool, I love new machines, I was so into machines.

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Speaker 3

15:35

So hammer strength was out, I was like, you know, I was doing stupid shit by like trying to get strong on a hammer strength. It's like, what the fuck am I doing? Like, I don't even mess around with that stuff anymore. It's like, as long as I can bench, squat, deadlift, overhead press, and I can do all of those right now, cold, not lifting for 2 weeks, stronger than what I was 10 years ago, you know, or in the middle of my 20s.

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Speaker 3

15:58

Like, and that has maintained this amount of lean body mass on me and strength more in my 40s than I ever had. My peak in my 20s.

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Speaker 2

16:09

And just for, you know, if you do start to feel bad as you get older, all you gotta do is look at your peers at the same age who don't exercise. You know what's scary, dude? It is because we're now in 40, right?

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Speaker 2

16:20

We're in our 40s now. I saw this happening in mid to late 30s with some of my peers, people who are my age, that I, friends and family, and you see their health. Because you get away with it when you're 20. If you don't work out in your 20s, you're not going to be ripped.

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Speaker 2

16:35

But if you're not like obese or whatever, you're okay. But then like 30, mid 30s, I started seeing people like, oh my God, what's happening? Now, people are starting to get on medications, and oh, my doctor said I need to do this stuff, and I'm like, holy cow, dude, you're 43 years old.

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Speaker 4

16:50

That's when it gets away from you completely.

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Speaker 2

16:52

Yeah, dude, it's really, or I can't do that anymore. I can't do this because I can't.

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Speaker 3

16:56

I mean, it really, it compounds in both directions. So if you were the person who chose not to make any healthy choices, not exercise, not doing that stuff, all through your teens, 20s, and 30s, it's now compounded and it's very obvious when you start getting in your 40s and your 50s. And the opposite is true.

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Speaker 3

17:13

Maybe if you were somebody who has always made that a part of your life, even if you weren't hardcore about

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Speaker 6

17:17

it all the time,

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Speaker 3

17:18

but it's been a part of your life that you've made an effort to eat better, to train, to get strong over the course of decades. Like it's compounded now and there's a there's a massive difference between those types of bodies today. It's why, and we see it, it's obviously way more at the forefront for us in our 40s now than it was when you were, like you said, 25.

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Speaker 3

17:40

Do

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Speaker 2

17:40

you guys know anybody that in their 20s, I'm sure you do, in their 20s, they just went too hard. Like party, drinks, straw, and they got away with it for whatever reason. They were like good looking and fit enough and they got away with it.

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Speaker 4

17:52

This is half my friends.

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Speaker 2

17:53

And then, and then you start to see like, now if you see these people now, you're like, oh, you, you went too hard in your twenties.

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Speaker 3

17:59

Yeah.

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Speaker 2

17:59

And you went, Now you look like you're

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Speaker 1

18:00

80.

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Speaker 4

18:01

It all caught up to you.

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Speaker 3

18:02

I mean, this is kind of top of mind for me right now. Not if we were, I don't know if we were intending to go this direction or not. But my stepdad came over, he was over yesterday.

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Speaker 3

18:10

He came over, him and his wife, and I hadn't seen him in a few months. And we had just redone a bunch of stuff in the house and furniture and everything like that. And when we did this, we were also moving the old bookshelf in case and we had out these books that I used to make for Katrina and I when we first dated. We're dating 12 years now and I used to do our first year or second year or third year of like photos of all of us.

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Speaker 3

18:32

And so he's like, oh my God, I've never seen these. And he pulled them out and they were like going through like all these photos of her and I 12 years ago when we first met. And they're like, oh my God, it's so crazy. You guys are in your 40s and you guys are in way better shape, look younger and better right now.

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Speaker 3

18:46

And I'm like, oh my God, it's like the best compliment

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Speaker 4

18:49

you could

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Speaker 3

18:49

ever give me. And I mean, that's hard to say too, considering that I obviously have had a much better physique at 1 point, you know, over the course of the 12 years. But when we first met, when Katrina and I first met, I considered myself a fitness person, I was 10 years into my career of already being a personal trainer and stuff like that and I was in relatively good shape.

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Speaker 3

19:07

But even then, when I look back at some of these, you know, beach photos of her and I, when we both would have considered ourselves in good shape, that doesn't even come close to what I think like out of shape looks like now in our 40s.

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Speaker 2

19:20

And that's all because of the cumulative effects but also because of the wisdom of how to train your body right, how to eat right.

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Speaker 4

19:26

Gym intelligence.

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Speaker 2

19:27

Yeah dude it makes a huge, speaking of Getting older and looking good and all that stuff. Did you guys, have you guys started that series on Netflix, the Arnold 1?

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Speaker 4

19:36

Yeah, so Adam mentioned it in the text thread and then it was funny because I got a chance to go hang out with my family at our place in Palm desert and I was walking out in the morning to have coffee and I like to sit out there and kind of listen to the birds and all that stuff. And I look and on the TV was Arnold and there's Ethan just watching it intentively on his own. He's like really, like ever since like we watched Predator and then we've been watching kind of these action movies from the 80s and stuff, like he's starting to really kind of get into like Arnold and his whole like...

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Speaker 2

20:13

How old is he now? Can someone look at... Is he 75?

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Speaker 2

20:16

75. 75? Yeah. So in there, they're interviewing him current.

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Speaker 2

20:20

Yeah. And he, for a 75-year-old?

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Speaker 3

20:22

No, he looks better right now than did just about 10 years ago. So he's probably back on his regimen or

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Speaker 2

20:25

yeah He looks really healthy.

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Speaker 4

20:27

He's talking shit about himself slipping to ya is great,

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Speaker 2

20:30

But you want to talk about the epitome of the American immigrant dream, right? Like this guy literally defines that. I mean, He was from another country, came here, became a millionaire before he ever became an actor through whatever, his chosen sport, which was bodybuilding, built businesses, went to night school, learned how to invest, then Decided he's gonna become an action star and they made fun of him.

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Speaker 2

21:03

You're not gonna change your name Nobody could say her last name as long as last name you have an accent who's gonna want to put you

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Speaker 3

21:08

in movies Oh, they first made a goal He first made a goal just become an actor and they laughed at him just become an actor That's in the movies and then he was like I want to be the star yeah I want to be the star role star and they really laughed at him

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Speaker 2

21:20

and he did yeah and then and then he's like I'm gonna be come I'm a Republican he's gonna become the governor of California

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Speaker 3

21:29

yeah

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Speaker 2

21:29

and he did

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Speaker 3

21:30

yeah you

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Speaker 2

21:31

know that they've been

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Speaker 4

21:32

corporate Democrats into his administration. He married a Kennedy.

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Speaker 3

21:36

Yeah, dude, it

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Speaker 4

21:36

was like-

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Speaker 5

21:37

Do you

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Speaker 2

21:37

know how they- He

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Speaker 3

21:38

broke all the rules.

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Speaker 2

21:38

He did. Do you know that there's a, it's not really a popular debate, but every once in a while the debate comes up is whether or not we should allow a foreign-born individual who's been a naturalized citizen for let's say 2 and a half decades. So let's say it's like you weren't born here, but you've been a citizen for 25 years that you should be eligible to run for president, right?

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Speaker 2

21:58

Because in the constitution, You have to be born here. That debate gained steam because of Arnold. Because when he became the governor of California, everybody was like, if this guy could run,

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Speaker 4

22:12

that he would get elected. I was wondering about that in terms of like, so you can, obviously you can become governor, but like,

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Speaker 3

22:19

but you can't be a president. Yeah. You have

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22:21

to be born here.

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Speaker 4

22:22

Right. So, but that's the only office is, is that you have to be naturally born in politics.

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Speaker 2

22:28

Yes. And I think that, I mean, I understand why, right. What you don't want is like some foreign government to plant someone here to eventually. But I mean, I like the standard of like 25 years, you have to be a naturalized citizen here

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22:39

or whatever.

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22:40

So there was a story he told that I thought was hilarious. And he was talking about like when he was first coming on board with James Cameron to do Terminator Yeah, and he was talking about cuz originally they had cast So he was not and they just determined that OJ just wasn't the killing type.

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Speaker 3

23:07

That's right. That line in the documentary is the best line of the whole documentary, because you can hear the cameraman interviewing. So he's interviewing Arnold, and Arnold is telling the story that Justin is sharing right now and from his perspective and he's like, yeah, they originally had OJ but they didn't think he was the killing type and there's like this

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23:28

silence, you know, you hear

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23:29

the Cameraman in the back,

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23:32

you're like, oh my God, that was the best line. You know what I want, and I couldn't wait for you guys to watch this, so I could ask you, because you're-

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Speaker 2

23:38

I only watched the first episode.

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Speaker 3

23:39

Okay, see, so then you might not have got to this part. I didn't know this, I think this is episode 2, is Did you know that Stallone and him had like a serious rivalry?

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23:49

They were competitors.

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Speaker 3

23:49

They did not like each other?

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Speaker 2

23:50

No, I didn't know how far it went. I didn't know that. But I did know that they were rivals because they were, they compete over being the top action star at the time.

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Speaker 4

23:57

Well, and I didn't know, yeah, it makes perfect sense because you'd see like Rambo came out did so well. All of a sudden then you see commando. And I didn't know that was like what spurred.

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Speaker 3

24:08

Totally. Like, I mean, now that I'm not looking back and you go like how the movies all dropped, I mean, I remember when all those came out, I'm like, Oh, that is so funny. You know, as a kid, you're just assuming like oh, it's the next action movie comes out and your 2 favorite stars I was like, oh, yeah, it was literally like a response. It was like, oh he did that.

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Speaker 3

24:22

I'm gonna do this I even super competitive. Yeah, and you know, I've even talked about like how they killed in it He's like, oh he killed everybody with a gun like this. So I

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Speaker 4

24:33

Rocket launch, you know

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Speaker 2

24:34

Franco Colombo who is Arnold's like best friend, right? Trained Sylvester Stallone for Rocky III, I believe, or IV. So they had, so then Franco

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24:43

went and trained.

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Speaker 3

24:43

I didn't know that.

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Speaker 2

24:43

Yeah. So, okay, so you guys aren't gonna remember this, but in Rocky IV, when he fights the Russian, and he's like just jacked and shredded. In Rocky III too, he got super shredded when he fought Mr. T.

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Speaker 2

24:55

You'll notice, I don't know which side it is, his left pec, I think it is, it looks a little different, because he tore it training with Franco, because Franco worked out with him. Franco lifts heavy, dude. And he kept trying to push heavier weights to match Franco, and Franco was like, you probably shouldn't, I don't think you should lift as that much. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

25:11

And Stallone kept pushing it towards Pac.

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Speaker 3

25:13

Oh, wow.

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Speaker 2

25:14

Yeah, because Franco's like...

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Speaker 4

25:15

Yeah, trying to

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Speaker 2

25:16

keep up.

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Speaker 5

25:16

Oh, yeah, dude.

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Speaker 4

25:16

He was insanely strong.

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Speaker 2

25:17

He's a 180-pound little... Picking up cars? Just insane.

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Speaker 2

25:21

He was a beast. But the whole story about how he came to this country it's crazy because he says he came here you know he grew up in Austria right and he came here and he goes I'm home you know talks about being in America how this is his home I

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Speaker 3

25:34

mean he talked about it before he was even here that he felt the calling to do that. You know, the other thing that struck me as interesting that I never connected to him, that he really made popular, you know, big vehicles, like the Hummer, the big face watches. Yeah, I didn't

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Speaker 4

25:50

know that was his.

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Speaker 3

25:51

It was, they attribute a lot of him as the person who made that. Yeah, the cigar, like cigars weren't as popular. You know, You see like, I mean, we see this today in our space, like, you know, it's like the cool thing to smoke, everyone to smoke cigars now and stuff like that, so.

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Speaker 2

26:06

People are like, I don't smoke cigarettes, it's unhealthy. Cigar.

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Speaker 3

26:09

Yeah. Really, it just looks cool, let's be honest. 1 looks cool, 1 doesn't.

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Speaker 4

26:13

Yeah. I prefer cigars.

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Speaker 3

26:14

I didn't realize that it was him who made that popular. He's a fitness guy, health and fitness guy who smoked cigars all the time.

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Speaker 2

26:19

Is it true, because I don't watch the series, but is it true that he is the 1 that got Humvee to make 1 for the road? Yeah, yes. Okay, so it was all military.

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Speaker 2

26:29

He says, I want 1 for the road.

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Speaker 4

26:31

Commercialized version.

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Speaker 2

26:32

And then that's what made them get the demand. And they go.

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Speaker 3

26:35

It was super popular. Cause he used to drive all that stuff around. He also had a, he had when he was in California, when he was the governor.

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Speaker 2

26:41

You can't drive those with climate.

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Speaker 3

26:43

He made a, he made a cigar, He made a cigar tent. So like every day, that was like on the- Oh, because

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Speaker 2

26:50

he couldn't smoke. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3

26:50

couldn't smoke inside the building. So he had a cigar tent where he hung out most of the day and then everybody come down and come

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Speaker 4

26:55

see him. Schmooze with the different politicians.

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Speaker 3

26:59

Wow. It was well done. Documentary was, I thought was well done. I still got a little bit left of it to finish up, but I thought it was

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Speaker 2

27:06

really interesting. Yeah, in the first 1 when he's talking, there was old interviews that were never aired. So I saw some stuff from him that I'd never seen before.

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Speaker 2

27:12

And I think it was, it looked like it was outtakes or something from pumping iron. And he's telling the camera guy about steroid use, which was never in pumping iron. They never talk about steroids in pumping iron.

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Speaker 4

27:23

But in

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Speaker 2

27:23

there he says how, and this is true back in the 70s, you get it from a doctor, you do it for 4 months, then you go off. And he said that this is responsible for about 5% of my gains. Knowing what I know about the sport, what they took back, then all that stuff.

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Speaker 2

27:38

He's, he was being very honest. That was a very honest assessment.

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Speaker 3

27:42

So what he was shooting for, I don't think it's pumping iron. He did another 1. He did.

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Speaker 3

27:46

There was AAA bodybuilding. It wasn't a documentary. It was a movie that was shot even before Pumping Iron. But they shot it and it wasn't supposed to be released until almost a year later.

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Speaker 3

27:59

And in the meantime, he did Pumping Iron. And then pumping iron got released and that's what made

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Speaker 2

28:03

it wasn't Hercules comes to New York

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Speaker 3

28:04

No, no, it was it was a it was a bodybuilding

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Speaker 4

28:07

Building movie.

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Speaker 3

28:08

I forgot the name of it Yeah, maybe does

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Speaker 7

28:11

stay hungry.

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Speaker 3

28:11

Stay home. Oh what?

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Speaker 7

28:13

Yes with Sally Field. Yes Jeff Bridges

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Speaker 2

28:15

now that was a drama though. Yes. It wasn't like a document.

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Speaker 5

28:18

I know

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Speaker 3

28:18

it was a documentary at all It was but that movie was he shot that first and was all excited about that And he was so bummed that it was like forever gonna it was taking a year to get released and in the meantime He got the

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Speaker 4

28:31

Pump air. Yeah.

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Speaker 5

28:33

Did you know that he did, he was

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Speaker 2

28:34

in I Love Lucy, 1 episode?

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Speaker 3

28:35

Yeah, they showed that. Oh, they did? Yeah, they showed that in the documentary.

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Speaker 2

28:38

He's the masseuse.

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Speaker 3

28:39

They actually were using that as like showing how terrible of an actor he was. Yeah. Yeah, when he just, he couldn't do the facial expressions and all the stuff like that.

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Speaker 4

28:47

That to me it was like okay that I was trying to figure out how old he was and then I was like dude he's got to be up in like cuz I love Lucy was like yeah what was that 50s popular and it like kind of stayed on air a bit but like really old show

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Speaker 3

29:03

how about how about the the famous Terminator line? How that came to be? That was cool.

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Speaker 2

29:09

Was that an improv?

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Speaker 3

29:10

So that was, so yeah, and he actually got into it with James Cameron. So he improv'd and said, he was supposed to be, I'm coming back. Yeah.

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Speaker 3

29:19

I'll come back. Yeah, I'll come back or something like that. And he says, I'll be back. And he goes, no.

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Speaker 3

29:25

And James Cameron was like, no, you say it like this. And he argued with you. And he says, are you the director? Like he got into a big old thing with him.

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Speaker 3

29:33

And then right after he got done arguing with him, he looked at James Cameron and he said it like the Terminator, I'll be back.

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Speaker 2

29:38

And he sold him on it?

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Speaker 3

29:39

And he sold him on it right there and he goes, okay, you could do that.

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Speaker 2

29:42

And he

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Speaker 3

29:42

let him do it and then of course ends

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Speaker 4

29:43

up being... It's the most iconic line

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Speaker 3

29:45

he has. It is. I think that's still the most iconic line ever in a movie.

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Speaker 2

29:49

You know, that's a, that 1, Terminator, the first 1, and the second 1 stand the test of time. Even today, I mean, obviously the effects and stuff. But if you watch them, the story is still exceptional.

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Speaker 2

30:01

It's 1 that, that's just, it lasts.

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Speaker 3

30:03

Did you know that he didn't wanna do the second 1 because of him not 1.

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Speaker 4

30:09

He didn't wanna be the good guy.

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Speaker 3

30:10

Yeah, first he had to close him on being the villain. So he almost didn't do the first 1. The first 1 he was, didn't wanna be, cause he wants to be a superstar loved by everybody.

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Speaker 3

30:18

James Cameron's trying to sell him on being the villain for number 1, and he's like, I don't want to do it, don't want to do it. They convince him to do it. Of course, he goes, gangbusters, it's amazing. Then the second 1 comes around, and he's like, now I want you to be the good guy, and you don't get to kill anybody.

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Speaker 3

30:32

And that's right in the heart of when he's competing with Stallone. And Stallone's killing everybody and doing all this cool shit. And he's just like, he wants to be able to kill. He's like, no.

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Speaker 3

30:41

And he negotiated being able to shoot him in the leg.

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Speaker 2

30:44

That's hilarious.

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Speaker 3

30:44

So in Terminator 2, when there's all those parts. Oh, is that what it was? Where he shoots from the legs, that was the compromise.

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Speaker 4

30:49

He'll survive.

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Speaker 2

30:50

Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3

30:50

yeah. He'll live.

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Speaker 2

30:51

He'll live. Yeah, nobody died

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Speaker 3

30:53

or whatever.

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Speaker 2

30:53

He'll live. That's hilarious. You know what's funny about those movies back then is it did get out of control with the action films where they got kind of comical.

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Speaker 2

31:00

But some of the original ones were really good. Like first blood, which is the first Rambo is a good movie. A lot of people don't know this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

31:07

It's not, it's an, actually an exceptional movie. Then Rambo gets like, come on, we shoot a helicopter. So, you

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Speaker 3

31:13

know what Stallone says about first blood? This was also in the documentary. I thought it was really interesting.

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Speaker 3

31:18

Was the, that form of acting was, he believed that he was on the forefront of that, which nobody was really, which was, I think first blood is famous for how many lines he had, you know, he only has like, I think less than 10 lines or something in that entire movie. And so it was becoming this actor without being able to do scenes with your facial expression and your physical prowess of your body would deliver what was supposed to be communicated on the screen. And that everyone had done it with words It's always been great acting and dialogue is what sold people on what was a great movie and first blood was the first coming of This like you don't have to say very much and then convey a really good movie to your 0.1

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Speaker 2

32:00

thing that Arnold had over Stallone.

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Speaker 3

32:02

How many lines, Doug?

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Speaker 2

32:03

I would say, I'm

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Speaker 3

32:04

looking for it.

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Speaker 2

32:05

I would say in terms of just pure acting, because Stallone has Rocky and Rocky's Academy Award, he beats him there. But with comedy, Stallone could never do comedy like Arnold. Arnold can actually do comedy.

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Speaker 2

32:15

Like he watched Twins. Yes. He's actually funny.

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Speaker 3

32:17

He talks about how that came came about also in there Yeah, which is a crazy story. He is at a bar With the writer who did twins who also did I don't remember those

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Speaker 4

32:28

monsters

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Speaker 3

32:28

ghostbusters You're right And Arnold sees him at the bar and says, I could be a Ghostbuster. He tells him he could be a Ghostbuster. And the guy kind of laughed, right?

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Speaker 3

32:38

And he says, oh, you know what? We'll do something in the future. He said he left and he had just been at Disney with Danny DeVito and him and Danny had just been doing some work together. And he says, you know what?

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Speaker 3

32:49

I've got an idea. The 2 of them would be a hilarious pairing. And they were such, and that's why that was such a massive hit. It was his introduction to comedy.

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Speaker 3

32:59

Yeah, yeah. I thought that was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 7

33:01

It says minimal lines, it doesn't give

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Speaker 3

33:03

me specifics.

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Speaker 2

33:04

I mean, I can tell you half the lines of that. I've seen first blood so many

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Speaker 3

33:07

times. Yeah, I think I heard Stallone say less than 10, but I don't remember for sure, it's hardly any, and they showed all the cuts, and I'm like, I didn't realize how little he does talk until you start to see all the cuts and you're like, oh shit, he didn't say anything right there.

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Speaker 2

33:20

It's actually a sad movie about a Vietnam vet with PTSD. Really? That's what the movie's about when he watches.

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Speaker 2

33:25

It's really messed up. Anyway, did you guys see what Dr. Andy Galpin shared about muscle hyperplasia? The study that they did?

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Speaker 4

33:34

No. Is this the 1 that instead of hyperplasia, they started relating it to fusing?

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Speaker 2

33:40

Yes, so.

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Speaker 3

33:42

Dr. Seed was talking about? Yeah,

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Speaker 2

33:45

So muscle fibers, it seems, what's happening is, hyperplasia may still happen, but what's happening with hypertrophy, with long exposures to training and intensity and all that stuff, and you're doing it for years and years and years, is that muscle fibers are fusing together to create like super fibers. Essentially, it's what's happening.

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Speaker 3

34:05

You know, that was such a great... Bigger and just... Segway to the conversation that we were just having about getting older and training for a long period of time.

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Speaker 3

34:14

Like, here's the science to support the benefit of that. It's not just simply like you build muscle, you lose muscle. It's like you over years and years of time. So they actually grow in size.

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Speaker 3

34:25

Now, the theory that we thought before was you train hard enough, long enough, consistently fiber split off and create more fibers was our thought, right? That maybe has happened to people like us who've been living forever.

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Speaker 2

34:37

No, what's happening is they're fusing and you're creating larger muscle fibers that are larger with less activity or the same activity. In other words, you've turned it into a super fiber. So this is where some of that muscle memory comes from, that muscle, that permanent kind of muscle size.

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Speaker 2

34:54

When you see this, like when you run into somebody who's been a blue collar worker for their entire lives, they're retired and they were a mechanic or a construction worker and they're old now, but there's still, you could tell them the forums, right? Like why your forms are still kind of muscular. Uh, it's probably something like that. So how crazy is that?

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Speaker 3

35:11

Yeah, that's wild. What a wild, it really explains though. What we, we talk about where you say like, you know, I remember this, especially being an insecure skinny kid who just wanted to have build muscle.

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Speaker 3

35:24

Like I remember if I was, the only time I got recognized from friends or girls or the people that I lifted weights is I had to be, I was dialed, I was consistent. The minute I fell off, if I didn't train that week, it felt like nobody would even say anything or it wouldn't look like I even worked out.

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Speaker 2

35:41

And we just break your heart.

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Speaker 4

35:42

Yeah, yeah. Oh, you work out?

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Speaker 3

35:43

Yeah, exactly. Like, oh, I didn't know you worked out.

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Speaker 4

35:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3

35:47

You guys didn't work out. I mean, now, and I'm sure part of that has to do with, I'm older, so I'm expected to not look as fit or what not, but I can, like, it can come off of not training for 2 weeks straight, and the first thing my dad says when he sees me is like, oh, you look good, son.

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Speaker 2

36:01

Hey, hey, how about the best compliment you ever got in your entire life when we were at the airport?

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Speaker 3

36:06

Oh, what was, oh. Bro, we

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Speaker 2

36:08

were at

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Speaker 4

36:08

the airport.

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Speaker 3

36:08

I forgot about that.

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Speaker 2

36:09

This is the best, like Adam's ego. Which is pretty good, it's a pretty good sign.

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Speaker 4

36:17

This is from the kid, right?

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Speaker 2

36:19

We're all standing around waiting for our luggage. I remember this. And this kid kept staring at Adam, like just kept staring at him.

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Speaker 2

36:24

And I don't know what you were thinking.

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Speaker 3

36:25

Yeah, he's

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Speaker 2

36:25

probably like, did you listen to my own poem? I don't know, he's pretty young.

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Speaker 3

36:27

Yeah, yeah. And he walks up

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Speaker 2

36:28

to, it's 1 of those, it's like you ever meet a kid that's just, he's kind of like, you ever meet like an awkward kid that just blurts out shit like do you you know I mean like

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Speaker 4

36:36

no filter

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Speaker 2

36:37

yeah like yeah yeah like well too are you pregnant you know like that goes up to Adam and just randomly is like are you a professional athlete Adam's face just

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Speaker 3

36:46

yeah yeah the biggest

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Speaker 4

36:49

any you could set any

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Speaker 3

36:50

now I realized this is why I haven't worked

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Speaker 2

36:52

out yes

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Speaker 4

36:54

what we say is a professional handball come on play you gotta lean into it

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Speaker 3

37:03

That's why I haven't worked out in 2 weeks.

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Speaker 4

37:05

I'm like,

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Speaker 3

37:05

oh, I'm good, I'm good.

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Speaker 2

37:06

Are you a professional athlete? Like, oh my God.

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Speaker 3

37:09

The truth is, it's the way I dress. That's why my cousins told me, my younger cousin, Brett has told me this before, right?

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Speaker 5

37:15

So Brett's- You

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Speaker 4

37:16

didn't say that because of the way you dressed.

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Speaker 3

37:17

Yeah, dude, I was, yes, for sure. I'm wearing- He wants more compliments.

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Speaker 4

37:21

It's because you're

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Speaker 3

37:22

a big, tall guy. No, well, okay, sure, you could say that.

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Speaker 2

37:25

You're a big, tall guy, come on. And then you're hanging around with other, not as tall, but big dudes.

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Speaker 4

37:31

These are probably like the general manager, like the equipment manager.

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Speaker 2

37:35

Are you a pro athlete, or

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Speaker 3

37:36

are these your training partners or

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Speaker 4

37:37

something? Exactly.

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Speaker 3

37:38

I don't know, I think if I thought of it more- You

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Speaker 2

37:40

talking to me? Oh, not me?

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Speaker 3

37:41

I thought of it more of the negative thing. I'm like it to me. I thought about I gotta really work on the way I dress.

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Speaker 3

37:46

I still dress like I'm a lot younger

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Speaker 2

37:48

than I was. I should've asked him what sport.

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Speaker 3

37:49

Yeah, you should've asked that. He's all bowling. I feel like he was looking at my shoes and the way I was dressed and things like that.

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Speaker 3

37:55

That's what made me think that. And then maybe I look like I still had

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Speaker 2

37:59

a little bit of athleticism. I remember distinctly too, we're standing there and I remember looking at skilling was this kid staring

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Speaker 4

38:03

at bro. He kept just staring She was like trying to figure out his wheels

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Speaker 3

38:08

clicking Sport should I ask for an autograph? Yeah, I ask

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Speaker 2

38:11

him That's The only time I've ever had something like that happen to me, which is totally different. Nobody ever accused me of being a professional athlete.

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Speaker 3

38:20

No one's ever asked me that.

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Speaker 2

38:22

They just have to watch me move.

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Speaker 5

38:23

Oh yeah, no, no, that's

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Speaker 2

38:24

not an athlete. No, I had a plastic surgeon ask me where I got my nose job.

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Speaker 3

38:30

Wow. What?

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Speaker 2

38:30

Yeah, I told you guys that before

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Speaker 4

38:32

that's fantastic.

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Speaker 2

38:33

This has happened to me

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Speaker 3

38:34

from a plastic surgeon, too

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Speaker 2

38:35

Well, hold on a second. It gets even crazier.

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Speaker 3

38:36

You have a very nice. It's a very straight I mean it does have symmetry though.

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Speaker 2

38:48

I have This has happened to me twice 2 separate occasions 2 plastic surgeons I swear to God By the time the second 1 happened, I said, is this a joke? And he goes, no. I said, why do you think I had a nose job?

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Speaker 2

39:01

He goes, it looks really, and he gave me compliments or whatever, so.

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Speaker 3

39:03

It is, huh? It's because how symmetrical and how straight it is.

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Speaker 2

39:06

He literally said, it's perfect. That's what

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Speaker 3

39:07

he said to me.

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Speaker 4

39:08

Wow. That's awesome. I've definitely not got that. Yeah, no.

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Speaker 2

39:12

I fucked it up, though.

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Speaker 3

39:13

I got

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Speaker 4

39:13

smashed a few times.

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Speaker 5

39:15

I was like,

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Speaker 3

39:15

oh, it's gross.

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Speaker 2

39:15

He gave just a business card. Dude. 50% off.

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Speaker 2

39:17

But I

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Speaker 4

39:17

did get, you know what I got was like my eyelashes, like some girl came up to me and was like, oh my God, like do you use mascara? Or I'm like, what?

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Speaker 2

39:26

That's kind of not, is that a compliment?

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Speaker 4

39:28

No, it was like, whatever you do to like.

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Speaker 3

39:30

That's right, it would be mascara. Is that what it is? Yeah, you're on the right, you're on the right.

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Speaker 3

39:35

Is that the thing you do to

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Speaker 5

39:36

make your eyelashes?

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Speaker 3

39:36

This is a weird flirt.

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Speaker 4

39:37

I don't know what's happening right now, but I'm not into this conversation.

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Speaker 2

39:41

Are you wearing makeup? Yeah.

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Speaker 5

39:43

What are

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Speaker 2

39:43

you saying?

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Speaker 4

39:44

Are you saying I look like a clown?

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Speaker 3

39:45

Yeah, I don't know. You got the, your son's like you.

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Speaker 6

39:49

Yeah, I know, my son's got them for me

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Speaker 2

39:50

for sure. You got the giraffe eyelashes.

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39:51

I know, Katrina's just like, thank God he got those. Cause she's, does she,

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Speaker 3

39:54

I don't even know if I've seen it. I don't think I've seen my wife without her fake eyelashes. That's like 1 of her things.

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Speaker 3

39:58

Like she's just does not miss that. Yeah. Yeah. She's like consistently had those since we were.

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Speaker 2

40:04

Usually little boys have longer eyelashes than little girls.

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Speaker 3

40:06

Is that true?

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Speaker 2

40:07

I think so, I think so, I really do. And I think it's maybe because we tend to have more hair. Is that the deal?

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Speaker 2

40:12

Now we

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Speaker 4

40:13

should have nose hair and ear hair. It's

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Speaker 3

40:15

the good ones. You know, I used to hate it. I mean, it still bugs me every now and then.

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Speaker 3

40:18

It's like, so I can only get certain sunglasses because my eyelashes will hit the...

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Speaker 4

40:24

No way.

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Speaker 3

40:24

Oh yeah, then it's...

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Speaker 2

40:25

Shut up.

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Speaker 3

40:26

Yeah, then the oils from my eyelashes hit the lenses and then it's all blurry. So I have to get sunglasses that I can wear further down on the bridge of my nose because if they're all the way up, remember like when like Ray-Bans, I mean Oakleys that were like way close. I can't wear glasses like that because my eyelashes are hitting the lenses.

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Speaker 2

40:48

Any other weird compliments? Doug, you ever get a weird compliment about something about yourself?

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Speaker 7

40:54

Good question. Weird compliment.

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Speaker 3

40:56

Or favorite. I mean, I

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40:59

get compliments on my eyes sometimes.

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Speaker 3

41:01

Yeah. Because they're blue. They're gorgeous. Beautiful blue eyes.

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Speaker 3

41:04

You do have beautiful blue eyes.

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Speaker 2

41:05

I have to like look away when I talk to them.

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Speaker 3

41:07

Do you know, okay, so that was not my favorite compliment. Can you think of like the best compliment like a stranger has given you before in like in a public place like that? Me?

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Speaker 3

41:15

Yeah.

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Speaker 2

41:15

Oh God. I don't know. The nose 1 was weird.

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Speaker 2

41:23

I've been told a lot of my hands. I've been told many times that people like my hands.

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Speaker 4

41:26

Somebody said strong thighs. Strong thighs? I grabbed my leg and I was like, what the fuck?

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Speaker 4

41:32

Wait, someone grabbed your leg?

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Speaker 2

41:33

Yeah, you

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Speaker 3

41:34

were strong thighs.

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Speaker 4

41:36

That made me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2

41:38

That made me uncomfortable right now.

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Speaker 3

41:40

Strong thighs. That's the same thing too. That's an intro.

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Speaker 4

41:43

Oh, I could crush you.

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Speaker 2

41:45

A man did this or a woman?

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Speaker 4

41:47

It was a dude.

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Speaker 3

41:48

What? And a dude said it? He grabbed

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Speaker 4

41:49

your leg? Yeah, I'm sure he hit, you know.

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Speaker 3

41:52

You got eyelash color, you got strong, you definitely get some of it.

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Speaker 2

41:55

How old were you? Were you a kid or was it an older man? Was this a child molester?

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Speaker 2

41:59

I was

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Speaker 4

42:00

in high school, dude.

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Speaker 2

42:00

How old was the guy? Uh older. I have some bad news for you.

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Speaker 7

42:09

I got a compliment that I just remembered.

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Speaker 3

42:11

What'd you get?

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Speaker 7

42:12

That my butt looked good in my jeans. And do you realize it was 1 of your wives? Oh!

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Speaker 3

42:19

That's most likely my wife.

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Speaker 4

42:21

She loves the compliment.

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Speaker 2

42:22

Whose wife was it? Justin.

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Speaker 7

42:25

Courtney. She wanted to find out where I got my jeans, thinking it was the jeans that made them look good.

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Speaker 3

42:31

Justin's wife's guilty of the butt

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Speaker 6

42:32

compliments, huh?

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Speaker 2

42:33

Well, she's obviously a butt girl. She married a Justin.

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Speaker 4

42:36

She pays attention to those.

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Speaker 3

42:38

Justin. No, but

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Speaker 2

42:40

no other weird compliments?

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Speaker 3

42:42

My calves was the best.

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Speaker 2

42:43

Oh, well, that's because that was

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Speaker 3

42:45

your insecurity. Oh, yeah, I'll never forget being on our way to Hawaii, Katrina and I.

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Speaker 2

42:50

I remember that. You actually came to work.

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Speaker 3

42:53

I think I told you guys on that.

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Speaker 2

42:54

Or you texted us.

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Speaker 3

42:55

Yeah, so I just got the best call. And it was, it was because I was like in the thick of like, I was on a mission, right? I'm on stage now.

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Speaker 3

43:02

So like I'm, and I'm presenting my physique, like I got to bring, never in once in my life that I care that much about bringing my calves up. And so I had been on a mission for like the last year or 2 years and randomly some older dude who sat behind me on the plane, and as we're getting off the plane, he made a comment to me. So, oh man, you got great calves, dude.

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Speaker 4

43:21

I'm like,

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Speaker 2

43:21

oh, I'm complete.

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Speaker 3

43:25

I'm complete now, dude. It

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Speaker 2

43:27

feels so good. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 3

43:29

no idea. He just like knew you

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Speaker 2

43:30

needed it.

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Speaker 3

43:30

Yeah, maybe that's all it was. You know, that guy

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Speaker 5

43:33

looks like.

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Speaker 2

43:33

I got something for

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Speaker 5

43:33

you, buddy.

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Speaker 2

43:34

When a guy compliments you, when a guy compliments you, first of all, it's awesome because dudes don't do that.

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Speaker 5

43:41

I feel

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Speaker 4

43:41

like it means more.

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Speaker 2

43:42

It does, but It can also go, like if it goes, if they can

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Speaker 4

43:47

go south. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

43:48

Yeah. They're like, man, you look amazing. Like, thanks bro. But if they keep

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Speaker 3

43:51

going, don't lean in. I don't think it's any different for, I, maybe I'm speaking at a turn, right? But the, I think that's for the same thing for women too.

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Speaker 3

43:58

Right? Like getting a compliment from a dude who from a dude, she probably goes, oh, okay, he just wants to sleep with me, or he's just saying that to be nice. But if you get it from another woman who tells you something like that, I would

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Speaker 2

44:09

think that carries a lot

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Speaker 5

44:10

of weight.

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Speaker 4

44:11

Should women do that?

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Speaker 2

44:12

Thank you.

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Speaker 4

44:12

Yes, they do that as a lead, And they'll do that even when they don't like somebody.

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Speaker 2

44:17

Yes. So just to be

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Speaker 4

44:18

like, yeah. Yeah, but most girls

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Speaker 3

44:18

are smart. They know that.

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Speaker 2

44:20

Well, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3

44:21

Yeah, most girls know like, there's been times where I've been with Katrina or someone like that. And she'd be like, oh, yeah, that bitch. And I'm like, what?

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Speaker 3

44:27

She said something nice.

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Speaker 5

44:28

Right.

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Speaker 3

44:28

Yeah, that's not what she meant.

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Speaker 2

44:29

Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 3

44:30

So smart girls know how to read that. Yeah, smart girls know how to read that.

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Speaker 2

44:33

Women will do that.

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Speaker 4

44:34

It's not what it actually means. I'm like, huh?

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Speaker 2

44:36

They'll give you a compliment, but really what they're doing is they're insulting you.

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Speaker 3

44:40

Yeah, yeah, it's good, yeah.

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Speaker 2

44:40

You know, like, oh, nice shirt. You know, you're like, well.

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Speaker 6

44:43

That's cozy,

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Speaker 3

44:44

your boyfriend doesn't like you or some shit.

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Speaker 2

44:45

Yeah, dudes don't do that.

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Speaker 4

44:46

Gus Chox, is that where you got that?

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Speaker 2

44:48

Yeah, if I don't like somebody, I'm not gonna compliment them.

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Speaker 3

44:49

But I mean, don't you think the same thing, right? If you get a compliment from a guy, it's like that's what it's... It's coming from that place where it's like, I don't feel like it's malicious or it's not like...

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Speaker 3

45:00

For them to muster

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Speaker 5

45:01

up the... No, because The guy

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Speaker 4

45:01

wouldn't say anything otherwise.

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Speaker 2

45:03

You know who gives the most compliments in the world? It's the dudes that are trying to get you to sign some random shit in front of the grocery store or whatever to get your attention. You guys ever hear that?

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Speaker 4

45:14

Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, muscles, where'd you get them guns? They're trying to get you to go over there.

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Speaker 5

45:19

Hey brick

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Speaker 4

45:19

house, put it over here.

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Speaker 3

45:20

I go out the opposite door on purpose. I see that.

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Speaker 2

45:23

I get a phone call

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Speaker 3

45:24

every time.

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Speaker 2

45:25

Sorry, I got the call.

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Speaker 3

45:25

Go in, oh, I'll catch you on the way out. I'll be right there with you, chief. Hey buddy.

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Speaker 3

45:31

Chief.

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Speaker 2

45:31

Chief is the best 1. Anyway, hey, you know what we're getting a lot of DMs on? So we did that episode a while ago talking about how probiotics can help with inflammation and indirectly with muscle building, fat burning, whatever.

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Speaker 2

45:45

Apparently that worked because it got a lot of people to try seed. We're getting all kinds of DMs now from people who are like, this is not like the probiotic that I took before. This makes it, so lots of DMs from people. I knew I

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Speaker 5

45:56

had to- It's a

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Speaker 4

45:57

whole nother class.

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Speaker 3

45:57

I had

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Speaker 2

45:57

to tie it to fat loss and muscle building for people to try it,

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Speaker 3

46:00

of course.

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Speaker 2

46:00

But all, people are DMing now, and they're like, this is the most legit.

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Speaker 3

46:03

I meant to tell you, actually, She messaged me to tell you the last commercial you did for seed to let you know that my cousin Stephanie Who's battled with all kinds of gut issues forever? She's always got all kinds of stuff going on who you've talked to before She had just started Steve's seed seed Right before we had done that and she's like it's she knows I've tried every probiotic You know and she goes it's hands-down the best the best in

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Speaker 2

46:27

the business. Nothing comes close.

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Speaker 3

46:28

Yeah. That's it. No.

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Speaker 2

46:30

All right. So I want to give a shout out to Dr. Seeds.

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Speaker 2

46:33

He's 1 of the best doctors or authorities on peptide science. Orthopedic surgeon, researcher, also meathead. Loves lifting weights, loves working out.

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Speaker 4

46:46

I love it, yeah.

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Speaker 2

46:47

Fit person. He lives it. Yeah, he's a great resource.

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Speaker 2

46:51

Again, very smart guy, legit, authentic. You can find him at WilliamSeedsMD. So give him a follow. Hey look, there's a company that put out a great product for sleep.

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Speaker 2

47:02

It's called Sleep Breakthrough. This is a pre-bed drink that combines the power of magnesium with natural ingredients like valerian root. So it helps you fall asleep faster, stay asleep longer, and wake up feeling refreshed. The ingredients are backed by science and it does make a difference.

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Speaker 2

47:19

I've been using it and I've been tracking it. Definitely improved my sleep. Go check them out. Go to sleepbreakthrough.com forward slash mindpump.

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Speaker 2

47:25

Use the code mindpump10 for a discount. All right, back to the show.

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Speaker 7

47:30

First question is from Jesse Va. On your most recent podcast, you talked about how cardio isn't good for weight loss, but if you're living a sedentary lifestyle and your job requires you to sit for most of the day, is it okay to walk on the treadmill at a steady speed for about 30 minutes?

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Speaker 2

47:46

Yeah, of course it's okay. So look, let's just be very clear. As a weight loss tool, cardio sucks.

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Speaker 2

47:54

It's great for health. It's great for stamina and endurance. It's great for all the things associated with better health and mobility. So don't not do cardio because you hear us say it's a terrible tool for weight loss.

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Speaker 2

48:10

That doesn't mean it doesn't have any value. It's got tons of value. Look, if you're sedentary And your options are nothing or walking or doing some cardio. Like it's gonna be way better.

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Speaker 4

48:23

Yeah, our body is built to move and you need to account for the activity throughout the day, the week. And I mean, that's something that's a healthy practice. It's just in terms of like using that as the tool for fat loss.

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Speaker 4

48:35

That's 1 thing that we try to educate people on. There's a better way to approach that.

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Speaker 3

48:40

Listen, the goal for all of my clients was get to a place where they were doing either scheduled cardio every week or some sort of sport or physical activity that they loved. Ideally, I always want that, right? I always want my clients to pursue something that they love, kayaking, basketball, swimming, these things that they these leisure-like things where they can do with their friends and socialize and also stay healthy and fit from cardiovascular training.

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Speaker 3

49:09

But it's a terrible way to start someone on a fat loss journey. So that's the message that we're always trying to send is and it tends to be the go-to. So if you were to talk to a doctor, some even today, but 10 years ago for sure, and you were obese, 1 of the first things they'd tell you to do is start eating salads and have protein shakes and go for a run and run and to burn calories. And it's just a terrible strategy to get somebody in shape.

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Speaker 3

49:37

But if I teach you how to eat correctly, build muscle, build your metabolism, and then get you to your goal, The next step would be to have some sort of consistent cardiovascular routine that we build into your lifelong routine that's sustainable for forever.

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Speaker 2

49:55

Yeah, again, it's good for you. It's totally good for you, but look, Trying to burn calories through cardio and using that as the way to lose body fat is a losing strategy. The data is clear.

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Speaker 2

50:06

Number 1, you don't burn as many calories as you think. Number 2, your body learns to burn less calories when you do that consistently. Well, how does it do that? Well, it reduces your other activity without you realizing it, but also what it does is it slows your metabolism down by paring muscle down.

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Speaker 2

50:23

So the fat loss effects you get from cardio alone are gone in a very short period of time, and then you're stuck with a bit of a slower metabolism. So if you're like, I want to lose fat, that's my goal. What should I do? It's not cardio in terms of exercise.

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Speaker 2

50:37

It's strength training. Now, if you're like, I want to get healthy, I want to lose fat, but I also want to be healthy. Strength training should be the foundation. And then you do some daily activity for your health.

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Speaker 2

50:47

So there's tremendous value. Just because something isn't great for fat loss or weight loss doesn't mean there's no value. There's tons of value in cardiovascular activity just in terms of overall health. It's just a terrible tool when it comes to weight loss, that's all.

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Speaker 7

51:02

Next question is from Kirk Pata. When do you know it's time to change up your workout routine?

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Speaker 2

51:08

You know, there are signs that will tell you that you might need to change things up, but ideally you'd wanna change your workout routine up before you start to see these signs. Yeah. But the truth is, most of us will like a workout, we'll do it, and then we'll kind of wait till the signs start to pop up.

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Speaker 4

51:26

Yeah, it's almost like a black belt move. Yeah.

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Speaker 3

51:28

Also keep in mind that changing your routine sometimes is just manipulating sets and reps and tempos and rest periods.

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Speaker 2

51:35

Not necessarily the whole thing.

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Speaker 3

51:36

Yeah. You don't, you don't. So sometimes people will think that, Oh, you know, I heard on mind pump that I should, you know, routinely change, uh, my workout routine. And so they think that means you have to go from, oh, this like maps, anabolic, you know, squat bench, deadlift type of routine to something totally different.

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Speaker 3

51:53

And you have to, it's like, well, no, the way Matt's anabolic is written is that we take you through different phases within that program. So the idea you technically could repeat that program multiple times before probably needing to move into something that's more like mobility driven or multi-planar type of movements. But you, you can change up a routine. Um, I mean, every, every couple of weeks with manipulating the sets, the reps, the tempo, the rest periods, But stick to some of those big major movers, then after I maybe I've been following that maybe I'm lifting anabolic style where maps anabolic style where I'm doing heavy squats and deadlifts and I've been running like in that kind of loop for say 6 9 months and I start to notice achy joints or things like that's normally my body telling me that it's time to move into Something that's more body weight focused or mobility driven or functional training like that's when I'll train

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Speaker 4

52:46

Yeah, I wish I would have put up the other there's another question addressing exactly what you're talking about because they're asking more about like, you know how I Could if I change this 1 workout routine up like what would that would that be? Okay would that be beneficial to me and it's like You know, you really don't have to change a lot of the exercises except for the way you do the exercises. And the only caution I would say, well, so besides changing the tempo and the reps and manipulating some of those variables, You do want to consider certain things that are maybe void in your programming So, you know if you're not moving at all laterally, let's say if you're not rotating quite as much if you know certain movements aren't being expressed, you know, that's where you want to kind of peer into that because that's something that, you know, your body is always gonna go with strengthening what it's being presented and like what you're constantly kind of engaging with So that way like your body stays strong and effective at those things.

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Speaker 2

53:48

Yeah, so okay, so signs that you need to change Well, you know, there's the you know I'm not getting any more results or I'm not progressing now that the problem with that is sometimes that has to do with or oftentimes That's to with other factors nutrition stress could be your diet could be your lack of sleep, stuff like that. But that's a sign, right? That's a sign you wanna pay attention to.

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Speaker 2

54:05

Pain is a really good 1, and not just an injury, but rather- It's chronic. Yeah, you're just kinda noticing your muscles that their insertions are a little sore, or exercises that didn't hurt you before, now they're starting to hurt you. Like that's a really good sign that something's not right, that you need to change your routine. Boredom is a sign, not the be all end all sign, because some people just want to change everything all the time, But it's still something to pay attention to I mean you could be doing the same workout over and over and just be like I Want to do something different well, then that might be a good time to switch up your workout Excess fatigue is another 1 Or the routine the routine feels too easy now I know that that seems like an obvious 1 and people just make the workout harder, but there's people out there, they'll do the same thing all the time, same weight, even though it gets easier and someone needs to tell them, you gotta train a little harder now.

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Speaker 2

54:58

I see clients like that all the time. They would do the same weight, same exercises and you need to challenge yourself. So those are some of the classic signs that you need to change your routine. But for most people, you probably want to stay consistent with what you're doing for at least 3 to 4 weeks and then change something.

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Speaker 4

55:13

Try and stay ahead of it.

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Speaker 2

55:14

Yeah, and then change something. The reps, maybe the sets or the tempo. And I would say every 3 months or so, maybe make more foundational changes to your workouts.

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Speaker 2

55:24

That's kind of a good, I guess, good general advice.

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Speaker 7

55:27

Next question is from MJ Huddleston. What is the optimal dose of creatine?

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Speaker 2

55:33

So the studies are pretty good. Yeah, it's about, I would say about 5 grams, although the studies on cognitive improvement show a benefit up to 10 grams.

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Speaker 3

55:45

Oh, interesting.

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Speaker 2

55:45

So higher doses seem to have better effects on cognitive performance. 5 grams being right around where you'll get the great benefits for strength. Crateen's amazing, right?

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Speaker 2

55:58

Crateen is probably the best, aside from taking a supplement that fills a nutrient deficiency, it's probably the best health slash performance supplement that there is, hands down. And I don't mean the best supplement that does both. I mean the best in both categories. I can't think of a health supplement that is generally better than creatine.

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Speaker 2

56:25

I definitely can't think of a better performance enhancing supplement that is generally better than creatine. Creatine is good for your organs, your heart. It's a methyl donor in essence, meaning it aids in your body's ability to methylate. So you can utilize other nutrients better.

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Speaker 5

56:45

It's got

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Speaker 2

56:45

some anti-inflammatory effects. It helps draw fluid into your cells,

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Speaker 4

56:49

which is good. Hydrating the cells.

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Speaker 2

56:51

It makes you stronger, you recover faster. I mean, pretty much everybody should be taking creatine. I don't think there's anybody that wouldn't benefit from taking creatine.

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Speaker 3

57:00

No, it doesn't even come close. To your point, unless you had something, because I know for sure somebody's going to be like, oh, what about if you have vitamin D? Like, yeah, okay, vitamin D, magnesium.

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Speaker 2

57:08

Yeah, if there's a deficiency. If there's

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Speaker 3

57:09

a deficiency, then nothing is better than getting the optimal amount of a nutrient that you're missing or a vitamin that you're missing. But on the performance side, there's nothing that kind of compares to creatine. There hasn't been for a very long time, and I don't predict there's going to be anything anytime soon that will surpass that.

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Speaker 3

57:29

I'm still waiting for what you predicted a long time ago, which is for us to see that either blended into a multivitamin supplement or a packet that's like this is your daily that everybody has to take. Everything from kids to young adults to elderly.

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Speaker 2

57:45

Yeah, what's really crazy, pets, you can give it to your pets. What's really crazy is that it seems like older people benefit even more, which is crazy, right? It was originally this muscle building supplement, but older people seem to have more of a benefit from creatine than younger people do.

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Speaker 2

58:04

Everything from cognitive effects to the effects on their body's ability to be strong and stable. And you don't even have to work out, by the way, to get these effects. You get way more effects if you work out with it But even if you're sedentary take some creatine you'll have some benefit from it.

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Speaker 7

58:22

Next question is from Wampy Iorotto Do you see value in adding rotation to horizontal pushing or rowing movements? Just like you do in the Arnold press.

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Speaker 2

58:32

Are they referring to rotation of the hand or the body?

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Speaker 4

58:36

Yeah, I'm thinking wrists, elbows, and rotating as you're doing the reps.

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Speaker 3

58:42

Yeah. Well, rotation of the wrist with a, well, I mean, I guess both. It depends, Okay, because if you're pressing and you're rotating the wrist and

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Speaker 2

58:51

your elbows are moving

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Speaker 3

58:52

Yeah, and you're gonna involve More of your pack, right? So that's the the old you know So funny when you this makes me remember like old old clips of people doing flies and they turn their pinkies.

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59:05

The opposite of what the peck does.

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It's the opposite of what the peck. So, you know, if you were actually doing a fly, and you might have seen people do this with dumbbells or cables where they turn their pinkies up, you actually should internally rotate if you want to get more involvement of the pec. Yeah, the

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pec, where it attaches at the humerus, it actually gives you a little bit of internal rotation, not external.

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So there's a little bit of value of pressing and then internally rotating a little bit. And then also, if you row, and let's say you start in this position, and then you rotate it, It's the elbow though, not the wrist. So people are thinking rotating the wrist, but it's really the position of the elbow that's dictating what's happening in the back.

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59:40

Yeah, honestly, I always challenge it because from a functional standpoint and like actual like the movement of it in the natural movement of it, Like I'm always rotating. If you notice you pick up anything and you're doing anything outside of like a weird stationary exercise we've invented where you're just like, I have to stay in this weird robotic 90 degree sort of format. It's just not natural.

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So for me, I've always just added little hints of rotation because it helps to kind of disperse the stress. I don't get a lot of that into my joint as much. And so from that aspect, I always prefer it, but I understand it from a muscle activation and a bodybuilder focus of

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01:00:24

what you're... Well, no, to support your argument, throw a punch. Nobody throws a punch...

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01:00:28

Who throws a punch like this or throws a punch like this? Everything is rotation, man. Everything has got a rotation

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to it.

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Reach out as far as you can in front of your body, and you'll naturally pronate your hand. When you pull back and rotate your palm so that it's neutral, you'll get a little bit more range of motion as well. So it just, It works with your natural movement.

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01:00:47

And then equipment. If you're pressing dumbbells and you want to get a real deep press, you might need to rotate just so you don't hit yourself with the dumbbell. Right? Same thing with a row.

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01:00:56

You're not gonna hit yourself with a dumbbell, so you might want to rotate it. Does that play a role?

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Where this goes wrong is the, you know, influencer or fitness trainer that's trying to make the case for, you know, targeting a part of the muscle.

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They

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oversell it, don't they?

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Yeah, and it's, you know, I think Justin's argument is the best argument for it, which is that it's, you know, there's naturally if you push and pull, there's a natural rotation that you naturally want to do and following that path makes a lot of sense. And so for those reasons, then it has value. But I mean, if you're if you're doing an incline press, and you incline press for 6 weeks doing it with no rotation than doing it with rotation, you're probably not gonna see a major difference in growth.

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01:01:41

And it's not much of a, I think, a variation change that I would consider it a different exercise or muscle or hitting the muscle that different.

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01:01:48

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