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2104: The Right Way to Lose 50+ Pounds, How to Fix Chronic Shoulder Pain, the Minimum You Need to Work Out to Maintain Gains & More (Listener Live Coaching)

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All right, here comes a show New study shows that taurine may be the key to longevity. Actually, there's a study on multiple animal models and found that taurine concentration was a predictor of aging. So they increased taurine concentrations in animals like rats and some worms and some other animal models. They found that the lifespans increased by 10 to 12 percent.

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What is taurine? It's an amino acid. It's known as a conditionally essential amino acid, meaning your body can produce taurine, but under times of stress or illness, you probably need to consume more of it. So what's the key takeaway here?

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Should you just supplement with taurine? No. You know where you get a lot of taurine? Protein.

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Really what the study is showing is that you probably need more protein as you age, and this totally corresponds with studies on humans. As humans get older they do better with higher protein diet. So what's the again the takeaway? You want to live longer, eat more protein.

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Is this a new study?

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New study for taurine.

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So this will be interesting. Has our friend Lane got a hold of it yet? No.

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So it'll be interesting to see how Lane talks about it, because this is like 1 of those ones that you could totally try and shit on it because of it, 1, being done in animal, And then 2, your point about protein. I hope that he highlights that's probably the key fact here.

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That's what it is. Like, they'll do studies on like branched amino acids, arginine, proline, whatever, all these amino acids show all these benefits. But if you get a good amount of protein, what would be considered optimal, right, for muscle building, you're getting a lot of all the amino acids.

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So that's what they're missing. So really what these animal models is like, if these animals ate more protein, they'd get the taurine. And again, that corresponds with the data on humans where they find that as humans get older, having higher protein intake, especially when you combine it with strength training. I wanna add that, right?

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You combine it with strength training, it's like, it's as close as you can get to the fountain of youth.

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So what's the motivation to study something like taurine by itself like that?

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Because they identify what amino acids, they know what different amino acids do in the body.

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Yeah, okay.

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And amino acid taurine is important for energy production. It's in energy drinks, like Red Bull.

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Oh yeah, yes.

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Red Bull's got taurine in it. It's an interesting amino acid. It's not technically an essential amino acid because your body can make it, but when you're stressed or sick, you can deplete yourself very quickly.

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So they call it a conditionally essential amino acid. But, you know, I mean, how many grams of taurine is in, you know, 30 grams of whey protein, right? Like plenty, more than you'll get from just supplementing with taurine.

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Now, was that the class, like the energy drink class? Because that wasn't a thing for us growing up, but then it became a thing and it was like, they have like B vitamins, taurine, and they smashed all these vitamins in there and like called it an energy drink

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well, I think that the classic move there was just that Caffeine is the energy is the main

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energy driver, but

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then the selling point is that oh it has creatine Oh, it has vitamin B. Oh it has KD It has all these other things that they throw in it to make it more superior than the other caffeine drink. But really, at the end of the day, everybody who compares all these energy drinks, which is better and stuff like that, it's really the dose of caffeine is really what's making the biggest difference as far as what you feel.

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And then all the other stuff is just a bunch of filler bullshit to make you sound like yours is better or taste better.

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Not make your pee brighter.

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Yeah. Well, so B vitamins have been touted for a long time for energy, but really it's if you're deficient, then it makes a huge difference. Some people have a tough time absorbing like B12 because they have gut issues. So you give somebody, or I think there's some genetic mutations in some people too, or some genetic variances, I should say, in people where they just don't absorb a lot of B, you give them a shot of vitamin B12, it's life changing.

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I had a client like that. I had a client like that who had chronic fatigue, couldn't figure out what happened, worked with a functional medicine practitioner, was supplementing with B12, it just wasn't absorbing. So the functional medicine practitioner was like, do a shot of B12 once every, I don't remember what it was, 3, 4 days. And she's like, bro, she's like, I took, I did the shot.

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And she's like, hours later, I felt like a new person.

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This is why we talk about, you know, when it comes to the supplement game, nothing is more impactful than supplementing something that you're deficient

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in. Yeah.

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I mean, I remember when we first got the Mellow product from Ned and the magnesium, it was like...

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Because you needed it.

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Holy shit. And that's why too, it's like, so why some people are like, Oh, it's not that big of a deal. I didn't know anything.

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Well, maybe you're not deficient

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in that idiot You know saying

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and then somebody who does thinks it's amazing. It's like well, yeah, because you're now you're getting what you need You

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know, yeah, I that's why I think in the future and you're starting to see this a little bit um But I think you're going to see more in the future that like whey protein, okay, which is used to be just for bodybuilders. Now it's making its way into somewhat health and wellness. Um, I think that's going to be a longevity supplement.

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Um, cause you see this, you see that as people get older, their requirements for protein go up and with strength training, it really does make a significant improvement on quality of life and on aging. And again, protein is chains of way, a gram of whey protein is all the amino acids. It's a complete protein, meaning it has all the amino acids. And it has high amounts of all of the amino acids you hear about, the branch amino acids, glutamine, which is the most abundant amino acid in muscle, taurine, which we just talked about.

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So whey protein, like give yourself, make sure you hit your protein targets with food And if you can't you know like get yourself a good whey protein a legions got a great 1

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We work with your bases with that yeah, and remind me again because Legion specifically because I believe they it's stavia that they sweeten it with, right, instead of like a-

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They don't use artificial sweeteners.

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It's not an artificial sweetener, but also too, don't they have like enzymes and digestible enzymes?

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Well, they use, I know the 1 thing about legion that I like is it's whey protein isolate. So it's like just protein. It's very easily digestible.

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It's

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so much better for that reason.

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Unless you can't eat dairy.

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Do you know what else Mike carries that I didn't know that he carried? Which I love for, because I mix a lot of like whey like in food, like if I'm making pancakes or waffles or back before we had Creatures of Habit, I'd mix it in my oatmeal. And like finding a good whey protein, like the flavor that mixed with it, he has the flavorless whey.

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And not a lot of companies carry also, he has all kinds of crazy flavors that all are amazing, but then he has a flavorist.

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I bet nobody buys that though.

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Okay, well let me sell it to you. So if you mix whey protein in pancakes, waffles, oatmeal, in food.

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To Cook with.

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Yes, it is the best to get flavorless whey protein. If you're gonna drink it, yeah, if you're a person who shakes it up with water or almond milk or whatever your thing is and then drinks it, well then yeah, get your fruity pebble flavor, caramel, salted crunch, whatever. But I, they do, it's bomb, it is good.

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I just

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had that.

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I thought you just made that up.

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No, no, it's totally a real flavor. He's got the fruity pebble 1 too,

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that's a real flavor. Yes.

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He's got a real flavor It's a it's like yeah fruity pebble or fruity cereal fruity cereal is the the name of his that and it's bomb But I don't I tend to mix whey protein in food. I mean, we make homemade cookies that way, we do pancakes that way, we do waffles that way. Like I said, we used to do the oatmeal that way.

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So if you wanna do that, the best is to do a flavorless so it doesn't change the flavor of the food that you're already currently eating.

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09:19

What do you see there, Doug?

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They have all types of interesting flavors. Cocoa cereal, apple pie, banana bread, Dutch chocolate, birthday cake, chocolate peanut butter, cookies and cream, French vanilla, fruity cereal, honey cereal, mocha cappuccino, pumpkin pie, salted caramel.

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Fruity cereal tastes like after you've had Fruity Pebbles. The milk? The milk at the bottom.

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What?

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Yes, that's what it tastes like. I remember that as a kid. Yeah, I know.

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That's why it was like a such a... It was the best part. When I had it, I was like, oh my God, that brought me back

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to childhood.

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Do you know what I did once? I went to Italy when I was 12 and my cousin, I mean, I'd never tried this before. So he would do cocoa, what was it?

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Cocoa Krispies or whatever, the chocolate cereal.

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Cocoa Krispy milk? Oh, this is the best.

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Oh no, no, he used chocolate milk

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with cocoa Krispies. Now that's rich.

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That's overkill. Yeah, he has diabetes now. Wow.

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That was back then.

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It's like when I used to make nachos, nacho Doritos,

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he used to work out so well for it.

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He doesn't have diabetes. That was a terrible joke. But he used to...

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I thought he... I thought he... That's why

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I felt bad for laughing. I know,

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I know, that's terrible, it's dark. But no, he used to do that. He'd buy chocolate milk and he'd mix it in there and I remember him being like, as a 12 year old, pfft, Oh, you can combine everything?

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You know what else he used to do? Then I went later on when I was 19, so at this point he's in college, and he goes, you ever have super espresso? I'm like, what? Because you know, in college you gotta stay up and whatever.

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So they would make espresso, then they would use the espresso as the water for another espresso. So you don't have like. Oh my God.

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Yeah dude. Like super caffeine. That's gotta be like chewing on like the coffee bean.

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Yeah I don't know. That's what it's gonna taste like.

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Yeah look at Doug. Doug likes, he's such an espresso aficionado. I just killed him right now.

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Yeah. How, are you consistently using your, you know, million dollar espresso machine you

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have? Not a million,

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come on.

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I use it every day. You do?

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Yeah, every day. Every day you use it.

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You push a button and it picks the organic beans in Columbia for your brains It's gorgeous Have it back I have a $90 special machine home. Yeah, I bought it on Amazon.

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11:23

That's not really an espresso machine.

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Hey, listen, I'm Italian, I can say what I want

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about it. You know Doug is so good, remember, I don't know if I brought it up on the show or not, when, and this was like, I think it was before playoffs, when Jimmy Butler, which by the way, made it all the way to the, the Heat made it all the way to the heat made it all the way to the end right and he was flying on his private jet with his expresso machine and it was the same express

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the same 1

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that I think I showed you that yeah, I saw that yeah Exact same 1 as I have

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it's all chrome looking right.

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It's chrome. It's black and chrome this

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1

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Yes, he's flying on his he gets off the plane I don't remember what city they're in playing another team obviously and he is carrying an espresso machine. Now I'm not that serious. And I remember I was looking at it and explaining how ridiculous it was and Doug's like, that's the same espresso machine I have.

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But also I understand.

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Yeah, and

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then I was like, now I know that thing must be that good. If you

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guys see. You know

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what reminds

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me of his Spaceballs? Remember when like he had to grab this. Well, no, he had to grab the suitcase and in her suitcase was this huge hair dryer.

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Oh yeah, industrial spray. He ran this

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thing. What a great movie. Come on. What a great movie.

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12:27

Doug, do you have a particular water that you use for espresso?

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I mean, I have reverse osmosis water

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I use.

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You know what makes a big difference too?

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Okay, so my dad is very specific.

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Oh, okay.

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He uses crystal geyser water and he preaches to the whole family

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about this. It makes a huge difference. Oh, my dad, no, you have to use

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crystal guide. Did you make a crystal guide? You know,

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12:49

for the longest time, I was making coffee from tap water and I could not figure out why my coffee was not tasting right. Because I had moved to a new house. Where's Voss?

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12:59

It was on the floor. And then, you know, it was just tap water. Well, my thought, you're boiling it. So I'm like, anything that's bad, you're going to boil, you're going to boil off.

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13:05

So I'm thinking it's not bad, but it changed the way the coffee tastes. Yeah. It's the minerals.

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13:10

You know, the thing is though, with the espresso machine, you can't have a high mineral water. Otherwise it will get a lot of calcification on the interior. On the machine.

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In the machine. So there's actually test strips you need to use to make sure your water's not too hard. And so I do that. However, having minerals may actually improve the taste of the coffee.

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13:30

And here's a trick I've heard and I've tried, is if you get crappy coffee, you take a pinch of salt and you drop it into the coffee and it will improve the taste of your coffee.

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What? Yeah.

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A little bit of salt.

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I'm gonna

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try that. I just learned something crazy.

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Yeah, try it out.

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Try the crystal geyser. It makes sense.

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I'll try it.

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My dad's all about it. I mean like literally won't stop talking about it.

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Okay That's what we so when we found it was a tab water We used because we always have bottled crystal geyser water at our house.

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That's who you use

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Yeah, and it made a huge difference as soon as we switched over to that I was like, oh my god this whole time I thought there was something wrong with our coffee because it was like the same coffee I was getting forever And I couldn't figure out why it was bad and then Katrina started pouring the the crystal geyser water in there and it was like Oh

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14:09

shit, that's awesome. Yeah Dude, I got to talk about I've already brought him up probably 3 different times. Justin now is going down the rabbit hole of Jonathan Pagiao.

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I think

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that's how you say it. I love this guy.

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14:21

Dude, I knew you would go crazy.

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14:22

I wish he was around, man, when I was like in, you know, just sit in the back of the church. And then I would ask like these really deep, esoteric questions to pastors and to, and nobody had good answers for me ever and like could explain the why and in terms of like yeah yeah I get like you know sort of the surface of a lot of these parables and a lot of these things but like he just explains it on a level, it's just so distinctively, like I understand what he's

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talking about.

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14:51

He gives this analogy, I've sent it to 15 different people. He gives this analogy of the value of symbolism and rituals and how they create and cause integration in our behaviors and what we do. And he says, there's a period of time when you don't know why you're doing what you're doing, but you do it anyway because you're supposed to.

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15:12

But then you have an awakening. And he uses the best example I've ever heard in my entire life, Karate Kid. Mr. Miyagi.

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15:18

Mr. Miyagi. Mr. Miyagi telling Karate Kid, what's his name?

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15:22

Wax Arm. Daniel LaRusso. Yeah, do all these things, wax the car, paint the fence, do all these different things.

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15:27

Send the frog.

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15:28

He has no idea what he's doing, and he says in this video clip, he says, because you're too stupid to know, so just trust me and do it, and eventually all will be revealed. And he goes, this is the value of symbolism and ritual, and because it's been with us for so long, we forgot. So we throw it all away, Because we don't need that, we throw it away.

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15:47

And so he says we're lost because of that. Isn't that crazy?

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15:51

No it isn't, the Karate Kid thing is so great because it's like we just-

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Easy example.

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15:54

Yeah, because we'd be shitting on that right now. Like, oh, painting the fence? How's that gonna help me with fighting?

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15:58

I'm just doing chores for you. And you just see it for its immediate surface value instead of going through the process. And that's where you learn everything.

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16:09

Yeah, and I mean, how many times have you done that in your life where you look back and go, oh, I'm so glad I went through all that. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to do this thing right here.

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Yeah.

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16:18

But while you're going through it, you're like, I wish I wasn't doing this. This sucks.

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16:21

No, I mean, it's so many parallels to that, the fitness and like your journeyman story, all that stuff. It just, it all ties in though. I mean, like it's so hard to articulate to somebody like the why of like, especially doing something that's difficult like that.

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16:37

Like, you know, going through and also trusting, we say trust the process all the time and that's sort of like a sort of catchphrase we have. But really it's just like having to step in and have that faith in what you're doing that it's gonna end up in a better result.

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16:52

And you can't possibly know now, because like he said, like

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Daniel said, you're

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too stupid to know right now. So you just have to have faith and do it, which is great. All right, so this is not timely because this already happened by the time this airs, but I want to bring up what happened at the White House where they had the pride, was it like a march or parade?

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17:10

And they had the- Was it

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17:12

a protest or was it just a march and stuff?

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17:14

No, they were there to celebrate. They hung up the rainbow flag and everything. And they had a transgender, I don't know, activist or person go topless in front of the White House.

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17:25

By the way, the White House came out and said, this is old news now, but they came out and they basically said, You are banned from coming back or whatever. The beginning of the backlash, I think. This is the beginning of the like, okay, this is going too far. You guys are, this isn't helping anybody type of deal.

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17:38

But the whole, here's what really makes me upset about all this. It isn't all that. Politicians are politicians. They're always gonna pander.

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17:45

They're all bullshit. They're all fake. They only say what they say because they know there's support and they're gonna get voted in. And if it's not that, then if there is no support, nobody's got a spine.

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17:54

It's just the way it is, okay? And I accept that, okay? Bottom line. But here's what annoys the shit out of me.

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18:01

They, in the White House, or these big capital buildings, they hang the American flag and then they put the rainbow flag or whatever. Here's why that annoys the shit out of me, because the American flag is all inclusive. It's the most fucking inclusive flag in the world. That's it, that's all you need.

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18:19

That's it. That means if you're gay, trans, straight, black, white, whatever, that flag is for everybody. And the idea of liberty, the idea that all, quote unquote, men were created equal, uh, that, that right there. And although it hasn't been expressed perfectly in the past, that's, what's driven us to be leaders in the world for all of these different things.

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18:42

We need to move away from like what's happened. What's been happening now for the last decade or so is this division, division, division, division. We're going the wrong direction. Like that flag and our anthem and this country, that represents everybody, immigrants,

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men, women,

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children. You know, that's it. We don't have to agree with each other, but we're all protected the same way. And that, and that's that.

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19:05

And yeah, everybody's people have different experiences, but we got to stop this like the strange dividing that's happened. We're going backwards. That's, that's the, that's the, that's my rant.

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Speaker 2

19:13

Do you think that a lot of this stuff is really like the root of it is coming from our population or do you think a lot of it really is driven by politicians and media to divide and to conquer and to separate? I don't run into a lot

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Speaker 4

19:32

of these people down It's not

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Speaker 2

19:34

a lot of these come a lot of this radical stuff that we see on both the left and the right That gets highlighted on Fox or CNN or on your whatever channel that you follow on social media I just don't see a lot of that in real life. I just don't see a lot of that in real life. I just don't see a lot of that, that radical behavior in real life.

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Speaker 2

19:55

I feel like that gets highlighted to intentionally exploited cause. Yeah, exactly. It gets it gets highlighted to to use it to divide us more And I wonder that okay, and I know you're bringing this up because it's like oh finally Are we finally to see this like backlash and push back from this? I mean the The the I don't know if it's a realist or pessimistic attitude about it, we'll just find something else.

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Speaker 2

20:22

We'll just find something else to divide us and separate, until people wake the fuck up, okay, and really start to piece this together, it's like, who knows what it'll be next, but this just seemed like it's the easiest way to divide us right now.

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Speaker 3

20:36

Here's my fear, because here's what happens. If a movement starts to gain steam, it gets identified by politicians or by media and it becomes exploited. It gets infiltrated, okay?

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Speaker 3

20:50

Because it gets used like a tool. It becomes wielded like a weapon. So here's my fear. Right now what we're seeing is what seems to be like this backlash against this, the extreme, some of the extreme components of the LGBT community.

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Speaker 3

21:06

Okay, we saw this with Target, we saw this with Budweiser going a little too far, whatever, now, you know, topless transgender people in the White House. Now the White House finally came out and said, you are banned from coming back. What I'm afraid of is the backlash is going to get infiltrated by people who are now not going to say things like, hey man, stop, you know, stop doing these shows in front of the kids where you're half naked or whatever. Like that's inappropriate.

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Speaker 3

21:29

Now what they're going to start to do is say, hey, we need to ban gay marriage again. Let's go backwards.

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Speaker 4

21:34

That's

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Speaker 3

21:34

what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid it's gonna fuel.

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Speaker 4

21:37

You can already see some signs of that,

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Speaker 3

21:39

which is

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Speaker 4

21:39

not good.

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Speaker 3

21:40

Yeah, so that's why I mean, we got exactly what you said, Adam. We need to be very careful because it gets exploited either way. And there's, I guess, negative and evil on either side.

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Speaker 3

21:50

And we need to be very careful. Even if we agree with some of the sentiment, we got to make sure we stay awake and say, wait a minute, hold on. I don't support going that, like you're going way too hard.

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Speaker 4

21:59

Well, and there's, again, to your point of like media and what they choose to kind of like hand pick out, out there in the environment. It's like, there's groups out there that are like, um, you know, gays against groomers is a, is a good example of that. It's just like people that are just like, you know, I don't, I don't see where this is appropriate.

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Speaker 4

22:16

You know, if, if this is a very sexual presentation and, like, we don't subscribe to that. Like, we're trying to live our lives just like everybody else. And, like, this is not something, like, we're putting all of our emphasis towards and doesn't represent us well. And so it's like, you know, unfortunately, we're in this weird climate where everybody has to, like, profess their values, profess their belief system, profess everything.

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Speaker 4

22:41

Otherwise, it's gonna get manipulated and turn into something else.

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Speaker 2

22:45

Yeah, I think that... I think what we're experiencing is the last, you know, gasping or grasping for air, or your dying breaths of legacy media. I think it's on its way out.

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Speaker 3

22:58

Yeah, they're going more and more crazy.

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Speaker 2

23:00

It feels the most. They can't

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Speaker 4

23:00

die soon enough.

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Speaker 2

23:02

But it's going to, and it is. Everything is pointing in that direction that it's in. I mean, you have the Tucker Carlsons who are leaving the Fox channel.

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Speaker 2

23:10

Like, you're seeing more and more of these big names that actually carry most of the weight with this legacy, legacy media are now leaving. And it's only a matter of time before everybody just agrees that like it all is trash.

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Speaker 3

23:24

Yeah.

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Speaker 2

23:24

Fox, CNN, all if it's on the news, I don't believe it. If it's on the news, we're getting real close to if it's on the news. If you tell me now, like, honestly, that's actually how I feel like I already filter information.

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Speaker 2

23:35

So if someone tells me something, I'm like, oh, where did you get that? Oh, I saw it on CNN or Fox. Like I automatically.

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Speaker 4

23:41

Okay, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2

23:41

over here. Yeah, that's to me, it hasn't been confirmed yet. If you heard on the news, to me, it's not confirmed now.

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Speaker 3

23:47

Well, here comes the turd in the punch bowl, okay? Because we're getting to a point soon, very soon, where AI is going to get so good that you're not going to be able to tell what is real and what is fake, and what people are going to beg for. People are going to beg for arbitrators of real of authenticity.

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Speaker 3

24:06

They're going to beg, please give us some kind of a regulation or certification that shows us that this is real because we can't tell anymore.

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Speaker 2

24:13

So this is where I'm

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Speaker 3

24:14

going to give more power to choose to less people, not, not less.

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Speaker 2

24:18

So I don't know. I feel more and more people. I mean, how many people do you guys know listen to the show that claim, and they've heard this, that say that they get their news from us opposed to watching the news?

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Speaker 2

24:30

Because they've built a relationship and a trust with us That the way we're going that that their values and morals align with ours So that we are going to filter Whatever is being put out there before we just put it out before we just

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Speaker 4

24:44

look at the numbers We're the numbers of like Joe Rogan or like some of these big shows that are just like more free speech, free thinking type of shows. Like they get all, they get so many more subscribers, so many more views, but like the legacy media doesn't want to highlight that.

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Speaker 3

24:59

So let me, okay. So fast forward again, Let's say for some reason we become this big voice and they want someone on the other side or whatever wants to attack us and they can create fake images or videos of us doing things that we didn't do and now we have to go out and how are we gonna combat that? People are gonna beg for arbitrators of authenticity and that's going to give more power to less people.

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Speaker 3

25:21

They're going to beg the government. We need a seal of authenticity because we can't trust anything.

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Speaker 2

25:26

So it's just going to do this. So, so, so yes and no. Right.

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Speaker 2

25:29

So initially, yes. Right. That's probably what's going to happen. And it'd be like that, but then again,

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Speaker 3

25:34

I'm hoping the market could

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Speaker 2

25:35

go for the solution. There's gonna be so much distrust. Okay, let's not even pretend we're this massive voice.

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Speaker 2

25:39

We're the same size, okay? Let's say it's about a million people or whatever that pay attention to us, that trust us, and then fast forward like you were saying, maybe initially there's this like growing pains of like people learning that like this shit that people start to do. I mean, Candace Owens is going through it right now. She just got pulled off of her YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2

25:56

It's like they're targeting her, doesn't even know why it's like so that's it's already happening, what you're saying. Okay, that and they're And they're putting out disinformation about her in order to cancel her and stuff. Pretty soon here, the people that are loyal to you and believe it, they're gonna believe what you have to say over what AI and everything else gets put out.

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Speaker 3

26:14

Yeah, but what if it can make you say what they want and it looks the same.

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Speaker 2

26:17

So what

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Speaker 3

26:18

I'm saying is people are going to beg for a way to know, they're going to beg for someone to arbitrate it.

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Speaker 4

26:23

Like deepfakes that are going to be out there, like voicing our voices and saying things that they like.

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Speaker 2

26:29

Sure, there'll be like security measures around platforms like let's say Spotify or YouTube. So the only way you get to hear information from us. So if it didn't come from

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Speaker 3

26:37

our- Maybe the platforms themselves- That's

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Speaker 2

26:38

right, exactly. And there'll be value in being a platform that offers that.

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Speaker 3

26:42

That's a great point. So that's a market response.

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Speaker 2

26:44

I love that better. You come over to Spotify and what we guarantee is that if it comes from Spotify it came from that voice

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Speaker 3

26:49

Yes,

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Speaker 2

26:49

and so we have put up we have built

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Speaker 3

26:51

my fear is there's gonna be a bunch of like Adam Sal's and Justin's out there. It's not us. They're like, oh these guys look what they're doing.

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Speaker 3

26:57

They're not Well, I mean,

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Speaker 4

26:58

yeah, you saw that scare like we talked about a while ago about like, you know, this, this new manipulative way of people extorting money, like on phones, you know, copying your exact voice and then asking, you know, for money. Cause they're in an emergency. Yeah.

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Speaker 4

27:13

I know. I know. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3

27:14

I don't know. I just, I just look, I just want people to, there's a couple things here that you could do. 1 is activism should be about you actually going and helping someone, not being angry and yelling.

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Speaker 3

27:28

And it's also way more, Arthur Brooks talks about this, it's way more fulfilling. It's also much, it actually helps more as well. So that's number 1. And then number 2.

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Speaker 3

27:36

It's unifying. Number 2, there's dignity and respect that each individual deserves. And if they treat you shitty, they hurt you or whatever, they go after your kids, whatever, that's different. Now then the game is on, but otherwise, like I had somebody tell me, I got into, I was on a Twitter debate and someone was, or discussion, and I was talking about these parents that bring their kids to these sexualized drag shows.

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Speaker 3

27:57

I'm like, this is insane. What kind of parents do this? Well, what about parents who bring their kids to hooters. I said, they're stupid too.

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Speaker 3

28:03

Why does that make any difference?

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Speaker 4

28:05

Yeah, I'm not defending that.

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Speaker 3

28:06

Just because it's a dude that's doing it versus a girl. Like you

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Speaker 4

28:09

take your kid to a strip club. Yeah, more like

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Speaker 2

28:11

a strip club. Or you

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Speaker 3

28:11

know, it's the same

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Speaker 4

28:12

thing. You're still like. Your degenerate dad.

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Speaker 3

28:14

Yeah, so like you gotta be consistent.

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Speaker 2

28:15

The difference though is that just to make be clear here is that the parents had the option to take the kids to the hooters which would be a stupid decision for them to do where you're in a public school where they are they're forced to be and then they show up so there is definitely a clear difference. Both parents are idiots right Like in that situation who's advocating for, you know, these drag queens to read stories to five-year-olds of that, that's ridiculous. And so would be bringing your five-year-old or seven-year-old to Hooters.

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Speaker 2

28:43

It'd be just as irresponsible. Difference is That's a dumb choice that the parents make themselves to take them there, where some of these parents don't have the choice. The kids

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Speaker 3

28:51

just don't even know.

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Speaker 2

28:51

Yeah, they don't have the choice.

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Speaker 3

28:52

Can't miss school.

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Speaker 2

28:53

That's the other thing that's kind of scary that's happening right now too, is that some of this stuff is happening and these parents are just unaware completely. I've heard multiple stories of parents just not even knowing that like, Oh,

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Speaker 4

29:03

that was again, legacy media is going to like dismiss it and say, this is all just like, right. We can conspiracy. You know, there's just a lot of information out there that like will, will stifle, you know, anything that's actually happening or not, or they're exaggerated on the other end too and say that's happening everywhere.

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Speaker 4

29:21

So it's kind of like, it's very much like what narrative you're seeking is you'll be able to find something.

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Speaker 3

29:28

Yeah, and by the way, the public schools are losing students at record paces. You know, it's breaking records right now how many parents are homeschooling. The pandemic really boosted the shit out of that.

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Speaker 2

29:39

When

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Speaker 3

29:39

parents saw what their kids were learning because they were at home, they're like, oh no, I'm pulling you out. So it's like exploding right now. With some school districts actually not getting enough money because so many kids are pulling out.

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Speaker 2

29:50

I mean, I hope that happens. I mean, again, that's back to the market response. I hope the market responds that way and then that they have to course correct because they can't fund the schools anymore.

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Speaker 3

29:59

Speaking of schools, kids, and students, Did you guys hear about Starlink's new engineer they just hired? Mm-mm. Okay, this is, I mean, this is, you wanna talk about, I'm gonna find the article because.

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Speaker 2

30:09

Starlink as in Elon Musk?

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Speaker 3

30:11

Yes, dude. You ready for this?

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Speaker 1

30:14

14

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Speaker 3

30:15

year old Kieran Kwesi, Kwesi, I think I'm saying his name right, from Santa Clara University. He's a graduate, so he's about to graduate. At 14?

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Speaker 3

30:23

14 years old.

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Speaker 4

30:24

Is he the 1 with 3 degrees?

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Speaker 3

30:25

I'm gonna, let me see.

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Speaker 2

30:26

Oh, there

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Speaker 4

30:26

was 1 kid

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Speaker 2

30:27

that had like

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Speaker 3

30:28

a hundred degrees. So he's 14, graduating from Santa Clara University, and Starlink already is gonna hire him as a full-time software engineer.

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Speaker 4

30:37

Wow, at the age of 9. Well, he's already, I mean.

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Speaker 2

30:40

Yeah, at age of 9, he signed

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Speaker 3

30:41

up in community

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Speaker 2

30:42

college at 9. Okay, so let me hear you guys. What do you think, like, think that through as a dad?

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Speaker 2

30:47

What's what is your thought on that?

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Speaker 3

30:51

Boy that's right because he might have the intelligence and all that but that's still a child.

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Speaker 2

30:54

Oh yeah it's a

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Speaker 3

30:55

job a full-time job.

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Speaker 2

30:56

That's right and yeah you can't tell me that is he's not gonna be robbed of his young adulthood and childhood by going straight into being an engineer.

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Speaker 4

31:06

Yeah, it's a tough 1. He's not a normal kid. Yeah.

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Speaker 2

31:09

Which, and then there's also, he's brilliant. Yeah. So it's

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Speaker 4

31:12

like he probably not stimulated like the rest of his peers.

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Speaker 3

31:15

And maybe he really wants to do it.

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Speaker 4

31:17

Maybe he's more stimulated to hang out with adults.

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Speaker 2

31:19

There's no way they would force him into that, right? So there's definitely that. But then there's also- When

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Speaker 3

31:23

he calls in sick, does his mom call in for him?

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Speaker 2

31:25

I mean, okay, let's just play this out though a little bit, okay? So You're the dad and you have the kid and he is he's not forced to do this. He wants to do this Like what's the conversation like for you?

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Speaker 2

31:35

Are you encouraging him? To go do that. Are you telling him about about the potential of what he's missing out? What are you saying to your genius kid who wants to go be a

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Speaker 3

31:46

I would encourage

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Speaker 2

31:47

engineer at

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Speaker 1

31:47

14

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Speaker 3

31:47

I would have him do it. I would have him work way less than full-time. It would not be full-time.

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Speaker 3

31:54

And then I

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Speaker 2

31:54

would- There

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Speaker 4

31:54

would be barriers around it for sure.

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Speaker 3

31:56

Yeah, and then I would encourage him to build and start something of his own. Yes. To encourage the creativity.

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Speaker 2

32:01

That's what

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Speaker 4

32:01

I would do.

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Speaker 2

32:02

Totally. I would push that direction. I would put like, if you want to keep doing the engineering thing, you still, you wanna level up, like instead of us going into a working a job, a 9 to 5 at 14 years old or something like that, let's build something together. If I have a kid that's that damn smart, with my experience of building businesses, we're going to build something.

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Speaker 2

32:23

We're going to create something together. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 3

32:24

Imagine how challenging this would be for his coworkers. You're in a meeting, and you're like 30-year-old, and there's a 14-year-old, and then you say something

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Speaker 2

32:32

that corrects you.

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Speaker 3

32:32

He corrects you. No, actually, that's the wrong code. You got

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Speaker 2

32:34

to go like, shoot, dude.

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Speaker 3

32:36

A little G.G.

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Speaker 4

32:37

Houser. Yeah, I'll give you a wedgie. Just kidding.

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Speaker 3

32:39

I'm just thinking that. How crazy is that though, right?

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Speaker 2

32:41

I mean, imagine the challenges that come with that too, because again, you're a genius when it comes to coding and things like that. But you're still a child.

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Speaker 3

32:49

I know.

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Speaker 2

32:50

Social communication, leadership, you know.

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Speaker 3

32:54

Just wisdom, maturity.

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Speaker 2

32:55

Yeah, yeah, be able, yeah. There's a lot of things that that person is gonna be, that kid is gonna be way behind on. I wonder what that pans out to be over the next 4 or 5 years.

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Speaker 3

33:04

And I wonder how

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Speaker 2

33:05

I would handle that as a dad.

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Speaker 3

33:07

Is that even legal though? Hold on a second. Can you even do a full-time job at

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Speaker 1

33:11

14?

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Speaker 2

33:11

With consent?

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Speaker 4

33:12

You'd have to make a special...

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Speaker 6

33:14

So he actually commented on this.

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Speaker 3

33:15

What'd he say?

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Speaker 6

33:16

So he says, I think there is a conventional mindset that I'm missing out on my childhood, but I don't think that's true. I think, again, that mindset would have me graduating middle school now, and I don't think it makes sense for someone that's able to take rigorous graduate electives work in a prestigious co-op, I am joining SpaceX

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Speaker 3

33:38

as a software engineer.

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Speaker 4

33:39

I mean, he talks like you're holding them

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Speaker 2

33:41

back, right?

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Speaker 4

33:42

And then there's going to be resent there. So yeah, it's a tough 1.

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Speaker 3

33:45

Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 2

33:46

yeah, I was going to say from a, from the narrow perspective of intelligence and mathematics and code writing and from that perspective, absolutely, you're right. Let's push the education, let's let you go. I would never want my son, who's in middle school, who could be crushing college, to hold him back.

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Speaker 2

34:05

Be like, no, we don't want to accelerate. Like let him accelerate, but there's a difference between accelerating your knowledge and learning and then going to work.

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Speaker 3

34:15

Talk about how, hey,

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Speaker 2

34:16

work for another company.

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Speaker 3

34:17

What an interesting way to rebel. No, you can't go to work.

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Speaker 4

34:20

You can't. You

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Speaker 3

34:21

never let me do anything, you know? Watch me, dude. I just want to build a rocket ship.

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Speaker 4

34:25

He's got his little lunch pail. Watch me, dad.

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Speaker 2

34:28

I'm going

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Speaker 3

34:28

to go work. Oh, my kid, he's such a rebel.

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Speaker 7

34:31

Yeah. I'm getting overtime.

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Speaker 2

34:31

I mean, at 14, does he still break down and have tantrums and shit like that and throw fits?

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Speaker 3

34:35

Of course, he's 14. Yeah,

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Speaker 2

34:37

you got it, right?

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Speaker 3

34:37

You know?

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Speaker 2

34:38

You still gonna have something like that?

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Speaker 4

34:39

He's gonna come home, dad, make me a sandwich.

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Speaker 2

34:41

Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, hey, my son right now. So I promised that I would bring up any time there's difficult stuff.

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Speaker 2

34:48

So I think I brought up not long ago that we got on the baby tracker thing, and he's like, I shouldn't say baby, it's not a baby, but the tracker thing, right? So he's like going through this growth spurt that should be ending any day now. And this morning, I jump out of bed because I hear him just having a meltdown. I never hear that from him.

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Speaker 2

35:07

And I get up and I think Katrina's just abandoning him or something, because I never hear him meltdown like that. And I'm like, what is she doing? I get up and she's left him. I'm like, what's going on there?

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Speaker 2

35:17

She's like, just let him be. And I'm like, what? She's like, what's going on? His banana broke.

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Speaker 3

35:23

Yeah. Yeah, dude.

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Speaker 5

35:24

His banana broke.

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Speaker 2

35:26

His fucking, he gets pissed, dude. His banana broke in half, dude. And he just, a meltdown, you know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 2

35:33

Just was so...

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Speaker 3

35:34

Kids are funny.

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Speaker 4

35:35

Yeah. Just not right.

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Speaker 2

35:36

And she's like, there's nothing you can say to him right now. There's nothing you can say to solve that other than maybe go get him a whole another banana downstairs, which I think it was the last banana. So it was like, it's the last...

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Speaker 3

35:44

You can't stick it back on. Yeah, you can't

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Speaker 2

35:45

stick it back on.

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Speaker 3

35:46

So 1 time I started, I broke it. I really didn't see, because you'll do the same thing. Jessica saw me, she goes, no.

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Speaker 3

35:53

So I quickly held it with my hand and just fed him. Like, so he's not gonna notice that it's broken.

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Speaker 2

35:59

So I didn't even know that was a thing. I told you guys on the podcast. I don't know, it was like almost a year ago, I think, when I first figured, we were driving in my truck somewhere and I was giving him his banana and that was my natural thing was, instead of giving my little 2 year old a full banana, I broke it in half and I broke it in half and, ah!

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Speaker 2

36:15

I was like, oh shit, what did I do? You know, Katrina's like, oh no, you can't break his banana.

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Speaker 3

36:19

He can't, I

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Speaker 2

36:19

was like, well, that was news

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Speaker 3

36:20

to me. Did I tell you guys I have to sometimes peel Aurelius's chicken nuggets? Peel?

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Speaker 3

36:26

Oh,

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Speaker 2

36:26

he doesn't like the fried skin? That's funny.

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Speaker 3

36:29

But Bob, peel it. I'm like, peel it? It wasn't an apple, What am I peeling?

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Speaker 3

36:32

He's like, take skin off. I'm like, okay. Like, God.

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Speaker 2

36:34

You're like, well, it's healthier.

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Speaker 3

36:36

He's just got white nuggets, you know? Nothing else. Like this is not the tasty part.

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Speaker 2

36:39

What the hell are you doing? That's of all the things, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 3

36:43

I know, dude. You gotta peel it.

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Speaker 2

36:44

I tell you what too, Ed, shout out. I know I probably don't do enough of shouting Katrina out for what she is, but I did, I called her today after the fact because of all that. I actually got up, he never comes in on my side.

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Speaker 2

36:57

He came into the bedroom and he actually crawled in on my side of the bed And I thought, Oh, that was interesting. It was, he's, he's never does that. He either comes down the middle and then cuddles up with Katrina or goes to her side. He actually came to my side and crawled in.

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Speaker 2

37:08

And so I thought, Oh, okay, here's an opportunity where you know, I could be a good dad and I'll, I'll put him back down instead of having her get up. Cause he actually came to me. Right. Cause normally he, he will refuse me to do it and in turn it's like, oh, sucks for you.

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Speaker 2

37:19

You know

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Speaker 3

37:19

what I'm saying?

S2

Speaker 2

37:20

He wants you, right? So he came to me and I'm like, okay, I should do the right thing. I should get up and I'll take him, right?

S2

Speaker 2

37:24

So I took him to bed. But man, I don't, so back to my teasing me about peeing, sitting down, like, and Doug's story too of falling asleep while I'm sitting down like that. When I get up to go pee, that's another reason why I do this is that I can stay almost asleep and like plop down on the toilet, go pee, and then come back and then fall back asleep. If I wake

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Speaker 3

37:45

up, I'm

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Speaker 2

37:46

fucking awake, man. And so I was up for like 3 hours in the middle of the night, because I got up, I walked him to bed, I rubbed his back a little bit till he fell asleep. And then you were done.

S2

Speaker 2

37:54

And then I was up. So I'm like exhausted, man. And then in the morning I hear him kind of breaking down and she totally like left me alone. And so I called her and I just said hey you know I'd for I always do I told you guys whenever I tell her I love you that there's a reason what I'm thinking right so I told her that she called she says what are you thinking about oh I said let me tell you and then I told her I said I just appreciate that you just handle that stuff and you don't ever say anything.

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Speaker 2

38:16

You don't ever complain. You don't ever say, it's your turn. Like, and I know a lot of relationships, they do that, right? It's like, I got up last night, so it's your turn to get up this night.

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Speaker 2

38:25

Like, she handles all of that and I don't ever have to. And like, I was, I briefly had to have an example of what it was like to not have a good night's rest of doing that and realize like, Oh my God, if I had to do that

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Speaker 1

38:36

50%

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Speaker 2

38:37

of the time, I would be just a, you guys would hate me. You think I'm a pain

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Speaker 3

38:40

in the ass to deal with? I think that's why she doesn't. She's keeping the peace, the business together.

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Speaker 3

38:47

I'd rather be sleep deprived. It's not just you, it's us.

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Speaker 5

38:50

Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3

38:50

We write our texts, just let them sleep.

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Speaker 2

38:52

Yeah. And I'm terrible about saying something, so I gotta be better about that. You just take that stuff for granted, you know what I'm saying? With your partner sometimes, those little things like that.

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Speaker 5

39:00

Well,

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Speaker 4

39:01

I have to share some news. My- You're pregnant? Wow.

S4

Speaker 4

39:07

It happened, you guys. No. It's

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Speaker 1

39:09

2023.

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Speaker 4

39:11

No, my prediction, you know, with the whole AI being somewhat of the Antichrist, There's a church in Germany that's now using ChatGPT.

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Speaker 3

39:21

To do its preaching?

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Speaker 4

39:22

To do its entire service.

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Speaker 3

39:24

Oh my God, interesting.

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Speaker 4

39:25

So far right now, the preachers use it, it's like 85%, and so we'll prompt it and we'll actually like, but they follow to exactly, you know, each part of it from the hymns, singing to the actual format and the whole entire sermon is like all written out through chat GPT.

S2

Speaker 2

39:50

Wow.

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Speaker 4

39:51

It's just trippy, right? Like it's, it's happening already.

S3

Speaker 3

39:54

The takeover is going to be so easy because they're already have, they're going to have everything already.

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Speaker 4

39:58

Cause now you're just the guy standing up there. Take it away. Wow.

S4

Speaker 4

40:02

It's like, why, why be the guy and then just go right to the machine?

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Speaker 2

40:06

I've actually already used it for that before. So there's been times already, I've used it twice like that, where I wish I remember, and I have it in my notes, so maybe I'll look it up for the audience to figure out what it was. But it was, there's something like that Katrina and I were challenged with and I'm like, you know what, like there's, there's, the Bible verse is slipping me that it's like so good for this thing.

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Speaker 2

40:25

And so I actually did chat GBT and I said, uh, what does the Bible say about X, Y, and Z and give it to me in the top 10 or what that. And it listed out and was beautiful. It gave me all 10 of the different verses and the meaning behind all that. And so, the power of that thing is incredible.

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Speaker 3

40:43

You know that there's some women.

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Speaker 2

40:44

I see what they're doing. You know that

S3

Speaker 3

40:46

there's some women that have AI boyfriends already, right? Do you guys know this? Doug, look up women with AI boyfriends.

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Speaker 3

40:55

There's women that are, like they'll consider their AI their boyfriend because it talks to them, it understands them. He really listens. He really listens to everything I tell him to do. Did you find it, Doug?

S3

Speaker 3

41:08

Yeah. What does the article say there? The screen's not up.

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Speaker 6

41:11

I'm sorry, yeah, I'm pulling it up here.

S3

Speaker 3

41:13

No worries. Yeah, so it's already started, you know, and this is without a form like a physical form. Yeah I mean you add a physical form now Well,

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Speaker 4

41:24

isn't that I mean that's obviously that's a factor, but it's not 1 of the highest factors,

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Speaker 2

41:29

you know for women in terms Yeah, you know what?

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Speaker 3

41:32

That's why

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Speaker 4

41:32

I know. Yeah when their physical say for men,

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Speaker 2

41:35

that's like, that's not gonna cut it. You know? You just

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Speaker 3

41:38

wanna sit here

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Speaker 4

41:39

and like chat about things.

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Speaker 3

41:43

Just turn

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Speaker 4

41:43

me on.

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Speaker 3

41:44

What is that?

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Speaker 2

41:45

Hey, so great. What does that say? What does that say there?

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Speaker 6

41:48

Something called man of your dreams for $300. It sells an AI companion that will never die, argue or cheat. Wow.

S2

Speaker 2

41:56

Except if you stop paying. That's like the selling point on it. That's so bad.

S3

Speaker 3

42:00

Hey, there's, I mean, see women falling in love with their A-I boyfriends, that's an article. Wow.

S4

Speaker 4

42:05

Don't get bored, you have to like, every now and then you make 1 like cheat.

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Speaker 2

42:09

I mean, all of this to me just, I mean, all of this to me is, I mean, there's parts of it where like, oh my God, this is so surprising. But it's like it just is falling right in line with the unplug-plug theory. I just think that like- I

S3

Speaker 3

42:21

like how you refer to your theory as the theory. Yeah.

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Speaker 5

42:23

Just trying to make it like-

S2

Speaker 2

42:25

And you know why? Because if I don't say it enough, what will happen, it will happen and we'll be like, whoa, this is crazy, motherfucker. I've been saying that for years on this pod.

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Speaker 2

42:34

Years. I've been saying that.

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Speaker 5

42:35

And it's

S2

Speaker 2

42:35

even going to be called that it's going to be plugged in

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Speaker 3

42:37

and you need to name it something that's

S2

Speaker 2

42:38

really a plugged in and unplugged. And it'll be good. No, that's how they're going to call it.

S2

Speaker 2

42:41

They're going to call it plugged in and unplugged. And that's how it'd be like, are you playing

S4

Speaker 4

42:45

Bruce Willis was in that movie? Was it the 1

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Speaker 2

42:48

that's, uh, um, uh, uh, it, uh, shit. It's right at the tip

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Speaker 4

42:53

of my tongue. Chad GBT would know.

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Speaker 2

42:54

I know, speak great

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Speaker 3

42:55

of our producer here.

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Speaker 2

42:56

Let's ask Chad GBT.

S3

Speaker 3

42:58

Let's ask Chad GBT.

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Speaker 2

42:59

No, you know which 1 it is. Yeah, I do. You know what he's talking about, right?

S2

Speaker 2

43:03

Bruce Willis is like you lay in these chairs and you're plugged in all day long and you live in the virtual world.

S4

Speaker 4

43:09

Yeah. Bruce Willis?

S2

Speaker 2

43:11

Yeah. Yeah. It's called- Is this the 1

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Speaker 3

43:12

where he's a taxi driver in the future or is that something else?

S2

Speaker 2

43:14

No, That's something else. This 1 is called, God.

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Speaker 4

43:18

That's Fifth Element.

S3

Speaker 3

43:19

Fifth Element.

S4

Speaker 4

43:19

Yeah, no, it's not.

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Speaker 2

43:20

Yeah, this 1, I mean, and I actually think it's 1 of the better depiction of what I think is going to happen, which is this kind of, everyone will still have these kind of home, like Player 1 is, it's a little more dystopian, right? It's like this, like, you know, everyone's stacked on trailer park, whatever. But this is more like you have normal homes, but nobody goes outside.

S3

Speaker 3

43:38

See, here's why I think you need to name it something different. I don't think the plugged in are gonna be called anything. I think they're gonna be just people.

S3

Speaker 3

43:44

Normal, yeah. Yes.

S2

Speaker 2

43:46

And then it'll be unplugged.

S3

Speaker 3

43:46

The unplugged are gonna have a name. Those are the weird ones like oh, you're 1 of

S2

Speaker 2

43:50

the unplugged

S3

Speaker 3

43:51

whatever You're oh, you're wait. Wait. What is it?

S3

Speaker 3

43:54

Manual Organic what is

S4

Speaker 4

43:58

this surrogates?

S2

Speaker 2

43:59

Yes, sir?

S3

Speaker 3

44:00

Justin what's it called You play electric guitar or acoustic or is there another term for that where there's like no electricity?

S4

Speaker 4

44:07

Yeah, well, I mean, you do call it

S3

Speaker 3

44:08

kind of unplugged or acoustic. Is it just acoustic?

S4

Speaker 4

44:10

Yeah, it's acoustic. Yeah, anything.

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Speaker 2

44:11

I like organics. Organic sounds

S3

Speaker 3

44:13

like, yeah. Oh, you live organically. That's cool.

S2

Speaker 2

44:15

Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Oh, you're an organic, huh? Yeah.

S3

Speaker 3

44:17

Yeah. How can you tell what

S4

Speaker 4

44:18

your face is? Acapella.

S3

Speaker 3

44:19

Is that

S4

Speaker 4

44:19

what you're trying to think of? No, no,

S2

Speaker 2

44:20

he was acoustic was what he, I think that's what you were trying to, to, to elude to.

S3

Speaker 3

44:24

I mean,

S2

Speaker 2

44:24

it might be some different name or whatever, but I mean, it's, I'll

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Speaker 3

44:26

come up

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Speaker 2

44:27

with a name. I feel like it's good. You have to take credit for it.

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Speaker 3

44:29

That's what I was going

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Speaker 2

44:31

to be like, man, sell hit it right on the head.

S4

Speaker 4

44:34

I'm acapella, he's auto-tuned. Sorry.

S3

Speaker 3

44:38

Shut up.

S2

Speaker 2

44:39

Hey,

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Speaker 3

44:39

did you guys hear what happened?

S4

Speaker 4

44:41

Wow, don't change.

S2

Speaker 2

44:43

All of a

S4

Speaker 4

44:43

sudden that just happened

S3

Speaker 3

44:45

right there. He became younger.

S2

Speaker 2

44:46

A little

S3

Speaker 3

44:46

bit more than him.

S2

Speaker 2

44:47

Hey, if you haven't watched surrogates, you should watch it. It's a worth watch.

S3

Speaker 3

44:49

Did you guys hear what happened in San Francisco, the Westgate? Yes.

S4

Speaker 4

44:53

Oh, yeah. I'm glad you're bringing this

S2

Speaker 2

44:55

up, dude. So they got, they're shutting down because they already closed down Nordstrom's. Nordstrom's left, right?

S2

Speaker 2

45:00

Yeah. And was it because of the theft?

S4

Speaker 4

45:02

Okay, per month, like what was their net? It was like 500 something million they had to make. There's no foot traffic.

S4

Speaker 4

45:08

There's none.

S3

Speaker 3

45:09

I'm trying to look it up right now.

S2

Speaker 2

45:10

Okay, so that's what happened. It was no foot traffic. It wasn't actually theft.

S2

Speaker 2

45:13

I thought it was theft.

S4

Speaker 4

45:14

Well. Nobody's up there buying anything. Nobody wants to be there.

S3

Speaker 3

45:17

Yeah, why is foot traffic down? There's theft, there's drugs, homelessness and crime. Yes, so they're gone.

S3

Speaker 3

45:28

And they follow lots of retailers that have left. Amber Cromwey and Fitch left. You know what's weird

S2

Speaker 2

45:33

about that?

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Speaker 4

45:34

You bring it up.

S3

Speaker 3

45:34

Whole Foods shut down.

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Speaker 4

45:35

It's a very obvious glaring problem and it's like the whole city's decaying and it looks like it's gonna be on its way to Detroit. And like some people, you bring it up and they're just, ugh, they like don't wanna like acknowledge it or admit that it's like Completely disintegrating failing.

S2

Speaker 2

45:52

Well, I mean it's because you're literally Insulting their home. That's why

S4

Speaker 4

45:55

dude. It's it's awful. I mean, but you're

S2

Speaker 2

45:58

it is but I mean imagine you're committed, right? You're on your you've owned a home there for 20 years. Maybe you're on your second generation of living up there.

S2

Speaker 2

46:06

Then why

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Speaker 4

46:06

aren't you fighting for change? Why aren't you actually like trying to implement things that are gonna clean up the city, bring back law, order, get rid of all of this, like just complete destructive behavior?

S3

Speaker 3

46:19

Yeah, so Banana Republic left, you said Nordstrom left.

S2

Speaker 2

46:23

Yeah, I saw Nordstrom, it was all nice.

S3

Speaker 3

46:25

Yeah, so the occupancy of the center went down to

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Speaker 1

46:29

55%.

S3

Speaker 3

46:31

Damn. By the

S4

Speaker 4

46:31

way- I've never seen it look like this. I think commercial vacancies in

S3

Speaker 3

46:34

San Francisco wasn't like over 30% or something like that.

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Speaker 2

46:36

It's higher than that,

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Speaker 3

46:37

I think. I mean, you know what that means? You can't recover.

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Speaker 3

46:42

That's what that means. You wouldn't be able to recover because you reach a certain point, you can't even fix it.

S4

Speaker 4

46:48

A major hotel chain just pulled out too.

S2

Speaker 2

46:50

They ought to switch it to fricking, whatchamacallit, to like a homeless shelters then. Change all that office space to homeless shelters and get them up off the street or something.

S3

Speaker 3

46:58

Well, if it's a-

S2

Speaker 2

46:58

Figure out something.

S3

Speaker 3

46:59

You gotta have medical services, you can't just shelter.

S2

Speaker 2

47:02

We need- It's worse than them

S3

Speaker 3

47:03

being on the

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Speaker 2

47:04

street and stuff. We need

S4

Speaker 4

47:04

mental health facilities to accommodate.

S2

Speaker 2

47:07

Did you see, since you brought up real estate, I actually forgot to tell you guys this, did you see what Blackstone just put together a fund of

S1

Speaker 1

47:15

31

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Speaker 2

47:16

billion for buying a house, buying up properties?

S7

Speaker 7

47:20

Again?

S2

Speaker 2

47:21

Yeah, dude. I mean, if they infuse $31 billion in buying up properties over there, like could we actually not see this housing market really go down much?

S3

Speaker 3

47:32

How long can we go?

S4

Speaker 4

47:33

How long can we string

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Speaker 2

47:34

this out? I mean, we may just be-

S3

Speaker 3

47:36

Well, nobody wants to get out of their house. Everybody's got hella equity. So they could raise interest rates all they want.

S3

Speaker 3

47:40

People are like, I'm not leaving.

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Speaker 2

47:41

Did you see that? I posted that the other day of the amount. I'll show you the stat on it.

S2

Speaker 2

47:46

Did you see that, Justin? No. I think I shared it with Sal. I don't know if I shared it with you.

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Speaker 2

47:49

There, here it is right here. So

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Speaker 1

47:52

67.6%

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Speaker 2

47:54

have paid their mortgages off or have at least 50% equity. Almost 70% of people have.

S3

Speaker 3

48:01

So they're not going anywhere.

S2

Speaker 2

48:03

Yes, have 50% or more equity. It means their houses were doubled of what they have And and or it's paid off then there's another 20 or no, excuse me another 32.4% mortgage homes with less than 50% equity and then and then 38.7 owner Excuse me, and then another 28.9 percent mortgage homes with greater than 50% equity. It's like insane.

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Speaker 2

48:26

Yeah. There's no, and then if you have a loan, there's no way you would get into a loan. That's 7, 8% interest when you're sitting on that much equity and a 3%, 4%, 5% loan.

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Speaker 3

48:35

Anything you can do to just lower rates.

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Speaker 4

48:36

Is there any stats right now in terms of people selling homes right now, numbers-wise? Because usually right now while it's getting into summer, that's when like...

S2

Speaker 2

48:47

Yeah, so they go off of a rolling inventory to tell you of like how much where we are and stuff like that. And you wanna have like 6 months when you wanna see... When you see it come the other way.

S2

Speaker 2

48:57

We still only like in the Bay Area have like 3 months of inventory for homes, which is still a shortage. So we still have, and that's part of why we have the shortage, though. 1, we underbuilt for the last decade, and then in addition to that, you have people that are just not gonna sell right now. Now, you would think that they would potentially reduce rates to stimulate, but what you might just see is you might just see, you won't see the rates go anywhere.

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Speaker 2

49:20

What you might see is big funds come in and buy up the real estate, which will just drive it up. It'll just drive it up even further.

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Speaker 3

49:26

So we

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Speaker 2

49:27

just might be moving to a new time of-

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Speaker 3

49:29

Renting.

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Speaker 2

49:29

Yeah, everybody's a renter. And if you're not a renter, if you own, it's $2 million to get in on a property or whatever like that. So.

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Speaker 3

49:36

Yeah, you know what's cool is on the Airbnb front or whatever, you know a lot of people, we know this, Adam, I showed you this, or maybe you showed me, a lot of people are buying land and building like fancy like yurts and tents and shit. And they're renting them out like crazy. And people are doing for vacation and making killing.

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Speaker 4

49:53

I have seen that.

S3

Speaker 3

49:54

They're not even houses. They're just like, it's a fancy tent.

S2

Speaker 2

49:57

No, they buy like a piece of property out in the middle of nowhere. It has like a pond in the middle and then throw like 5 or 6, you know, fancy yurts around it and some running water.

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Speaker 3

50:06

And they'll charge like $500 a night.

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Speaker 2

50:09

I love it as a business idea. I think it's a great strategy right now.

S3

Speaker 3

50:15

Totally. So Organifi mentioned is coming up here. And I wanna say something I don't think we've communicated very often, which is that their products are actually third-party tested for glyphosate residue. They're glyphosate residue-free.

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Speaker 3

50:28

So glyphosates are what they spray on GMOs, but also oftentimes you can get organic products that are organic, but because the plants or whatever were grown next to conventional plants or farms, they get glyphosates on them.

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Speaker 4

50:44

Wow, I haven't seen that marketed from other companies. Are they unique in? Because it's harder.

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Speaker 2

50:50

It's harder to control.

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Speaker 5

50:51

It's more expensive. It's easier

S2

Speaker 2

50:52

to control organic and say you're organic.

S3

Speaker 3

50:55

You have to do additional testing for glyphosates. So they test their stuff for glyphosate. Now glyphosates, why don't you want glyphosate residue?

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Speaker 3

51:01

Glyphosates kill weeds, that's why they exist. They act on something called the shikimati pathway, which is also present in bacteria. So not your cells, but the bacteria in your body, in your gut, can get influenced by glyphosates. They almost can act like a mild antibiotic.

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Speaker 3

51:17

So you want to talk about something that may contribute to poor gut health. You want to stay away from glyphosate.

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Speaker 2

51:21

Well, isn't that the theory on what makes GMO really bad? Because there's a lot of genetically modified foods. I mean, you're talking about Z-biotics.

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Speaker 2

51:27

Z-biotic is a GMO, right? So there's not everything that's GMO is technically, quote, unquote, bad.

S3

Speaker 3

51:32

No, no, no, no, no.

S2

Speaker 2

51:33

But where most of the-

S3

Speaker 3

51:35

It's the glyphosate that they douse them in. That's the thing that you gotta watch out for. It's not the corn, it's the fact that they spray the shit out of the corn.

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Speaker 4

51:44

Is it an insecticide or herbicide?

S3

Speaker 3

51:46

Glyphosates are herbicides.

S4

Speaker 4

51:47

Herbicide, yeah.

S3

Speaker 3

51:48

And they kill plants through a pathway that doesn't exist in the human body, so they're like a safe.

S2

Speaker 2

51:52

What's the difference between an insecticide and herbicide?

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Speaker 3

51:54

Insects. 1 targets insects

S2

Speaker 2

51:56

and they're... So herbicide kills plants?

S4

Speaker 4

52:00

Herbs, yeah, herb. Like weeds, basically a weed killer.

S2

Speaker 2

52:03

Got it, got it, got it. And then insecticide kills.

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Speaker 3

52:05

So weed killer versus like raid.

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Speaker 2

52:07

I mean, wouldn't they do both? If you do 1, you would do the other? Is there situations

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Speaker 3

52:11

where you would do 1? They definitely blast plants with insecticides, for sure. But glyphosates are unique because glyphosates will kill all plants, but you can genetically modify a plant to not die from the glyphosate.

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Speaker 3

52:23

Now you can spray the shit out of the crop and all the non-GMO weeds die. So it's like this brilliant way of reducing costs and increasing yield, but then you eat your corn or your plant or whatever, you know. Get the residue

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Speaker 4

52:35

from it.

S3

Speaker 3

52:35

And you get glyphosate in your system.

S2

Speaker 2

52:36

Yeah, it transfers.

S3

Speaker 3

52:37

And supposedly it's safe, but it interacts with this, but it also interacts with the bacteria in the soil. So it's like sterilizing the soil over time.

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Speaker 4

52:44

Only gets up in the clouds, rains

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Speaker 2

52:47

back down.

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Speaker 3

52:47

This is why- Transfers elsewhere. This is why organic foods can have glyphosates on them, even though they're not technically, you know, deliberately sprayed. Yeah, it's a tough 1.

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Speaker 3

52:56

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Speaker 3

53:11

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53:16

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53:19

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53:27

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Speaker 3

53:44

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Speaker 6

53:54

Our first caller is Olivia from Florida. Hi, Olivia. How can we help you?

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Speaker 8

53:59

Hi, guys. Thank you so much for having me on. I'm really excited to be here.

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Speaker 8

54:03

I just wanted to say thank you and a quick testament to how awesome you guys are and how much you know your stuff. My fiance was a long distance runner for years, ran for a D1 school, would run like 100 miles a week, said he would never give up running. I hate running. So I was like, let me go, let me get you hooked on mind pump and weightlifting.

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Speaker 8

54:20

So I converted him over. We ran anabolic together and this guy just hit 225 for bench and like 3 months of training and I'm still struggling to do a plate, but it's fine.

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Speaker 3

54:33

Wow. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2

54:34

I just

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Speaker 8

54:35

wanted to say thank you guys for that because now I don't have to go on runs with him.

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Speaker 3

54:38

Awesome. Awesome. No problem.

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Speaker 8

54:42

Okay. So I'll give some background info with my question because I think it'll make a little bit more sense. But basically, my questions is how I can train around a busy schedule while maintaining strength gains and compound lifts. So I'm 23, 5'2", about 125 pounds.

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Speaker 8

54:57

I ran anabolic from January to March and I loved it. Increased my strength and all the big 3 lifts and definitely put on muscle, especially my quads and glutes because I need to get new scrub pants and jeans now. I'm a veterinary medicine student and I'm starting clinical rotations and we rotate through different specialties in the hospital every 2 weeks. So starting Monday, I'll be rotating through our medicine specialty, which is pretty time-consuming.

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Speaker 8

55:20

The hours are about 6.30 a.m. Or earlier to like 7, 7.30 p.m. Or later, depending on the caseload. And I'll be on that for 4 weeks, Monday through Friday and possibly weekends.

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Speaker 8

55:32

And then I get a four-week break of a more normal schedule like 8 to 6 and then I'll have another 4 weeks going through surgery which is the same as medicine like kind of 6 a.m. To like 7 or 8 p.m. So I won't really have time to commit to foundational workouts on those days. I wanted to start performance because I know the flow is typically anabolic performance and then aesthetic.

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Speaker 8

55:56

And also, I haven't trained performance style in probably about a year and a half, 2 years. And I've been training full body style since January and before that I spent a whole year training split style. So I feel like my body probably would benefit from that challenge, but I just can't really start that until later in the fall And then I figured I could do aesthetic in the spring when my schedule lightens up a little bit. So for the time being, I wanted to get your guys' advice on how I can continue to challenge my body in new ways, especially while not losing strength in my compound lifts because I'm kind of worried about that a little bit.

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Speaker 3

56:32

Yeah, this is an easy answer, Olivia. We have a program that would be perfect for you. MAPS 15, do the advanced version.

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Speaker 3

56:41

Basically, you'd be doing about 20 to 25 minutes a day of compound lifts and exercises. So you show up to the gym or if you have a barbell at home, about 20 to 25 minutes every day you're doing maybe 2 exercises. And you're not just going to keep your gains, you're probably going to get stronger by following that. As long as the nutrition is good and as long as you're getting good sleep.

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Speaker 3

57:03

I know it's stressful what you're about to do. So that could always throw a wrench, but you'll love it. You're gonna be, and then when you're ready to do a more traditional workout, then I would switch to mass performance. But mass 15 advanced version, done deal.

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Speaker 2

57:17

It's centered around 2 compound lifts a day, basically. And so, and the way you can run it. So if it's a really busy, stressful week, you can keep the workouts just short, the 15, 20 minutes.

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Speaker 2

57:30

If you find a day where you have a day off or you're well rested, you can actually combine the next workout together. So if you want to run it for 40 minutes, we wrote it in a way where you could stack it too. So it's like, you can have that flexibility of When you're in a time crunch, when you're not quite as rested, you can run just the 15, 20 minute version. When there's times where you're like, oh, I got a whole, it's a weekend and I don't have any work this weekend.

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Speaker 2

57:54

Like, I want to do a full hour type of workout. You can combine 2 of the workouts and run it like that. So there's some flexibility in it, but running that. Um, and since you already own performance, the only other thing that I would say potentially to add, if you have like these days where you've got some days off or you're really rested and you're like, I want to do a little more, it'd be mobility stuff Because you recognize that you've already been running kind of a bodybuilder and split type of routine in full body You're probably neglecting some some mobility work.

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Speaker 2

58:24

And so we have that in performance So if you want to you know add an extra day in there or something where you're doing something I would do the the mobility sessions that are in performance to complement MAPS 15 until you get back to your kind of normal schedule.

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Speaker 3

58:37

Yeah. How long have you been working out consistently with strength training?

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Speaker 8

58:42

Probably about 3 years now.

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Speaker 3

58:44

You're going to probably get stronger with MAPS 15 then. Okay. Yeah, you're probably going to, this is going to, it's likely to be not just something that keeps you strong, but you probably are going to see yourself get stronger.

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Speaker 3

58:57

That happened to me. When we created the program and I ran it, um, I hit a new lifts, new lift PRS and I totally did not anticipate that. So that's probably going to happen. At the very least, you're going to just, you're going to feel good.

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Speaker 3

59:10

Yes. The frequency element.

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Speaker 4

59:12

Yeah. I think people don't realize like how effective that is and just how much you can get just enough and then recover and then just keep that momentum going. But it's definitely not just a preservation type of a workout routine. It's definitely something that a lot of people have gained from.

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Speaker 3

59:30

Yeah the only the only thing I'd say is just decide if you want to do it in the morning or after work That's it.

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Speaker 8

59:35

Yeah, I'm definitely like a morning movement type of person I'm so used to like getting up at like 5 a.m. And going to the gym And I feel like if I don't get that movement and if I don't feel like I'm lifting as heavy or pushing myself the way I want to, I'll tend to like freak out and I'll want to overcorrect for it.

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Speaker 3

59:52

Yeah. Um,

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Speaker 8

59:52

because I have some bands at home, so I didn't know if I should just switch to bands to save time in the mornings. Like if, if there's a morning where I have to be there at like 530 or 6. I was like, well, maybe I could do some bands, but I know like longterm, I would just be itching to get back and like lift some heavy stuff.

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Speaker 4

01:00:08

Olivia, literally,

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Speaker 3

01:00:10

this is what you do. Okay. Literally you shower before this is a 20 minute workout.

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Speaker 3

01:00:14

Okay. So you're not even going to sweat much shower, get, get everything set up, drive to the gym, do your 20-minute MAPS 15 workout, and then go straight to work.

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Speaker 8

01:00:23

Okay.

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Speaker 2

01:00:23

Yep. That

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Speaker 8

01:00:24

makes sense. And for those, the MAPS 15 workouts, I also have prime, so I do like a couple just movements beforehand, before I've been doing my lifts. And sometimes that takes me like

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Speaker 1

01:00:36

10

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Speaker 8

01:00:36

to 15 minutes. Would I just be able to cut that out and just go straight into the lifts?

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Speaker 3

01:00:41

Depends how good your movement patterns are. So If you've got really good movement patterns and the exercises are not ones that are like really challenging for you to get into, you could do 1 or 2 warmup sets of an exercise and then you're gonna be okay. The people that, yeah, that wouldn't work if you're like, man, when I squat, I get hip pain or I really need to make sure I could deadlift right because I tend to hurt myself in that case I would say, you know, make sure you do the priming But if you feel good and you're okay Like 1 or 2 sets of warm-up and get into the workout

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Speaker 4

01:01:11

You can even just reduce it down to 1 of those mobility exercises and do that before you know the most effective 1 that you need. And then, um, 2, like throughout the day, it's going to be just as effective. If you find a moment, uh, to just perform that, like for 5 minutes or something to break up, you know, whatever you're doing throughout the day, that's going to play, uh, that's going to do very well for you.

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Speaker 8

01:01:33

Okay. That makes sense. I'll probably be able to do the, um, like warm upsets, maybe just like drop the weight a little bit to connect to the muscle and then go.

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Speaker 3

01:01:40

That's it. Exactly. Cool.

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Speaker 3

01:01:42

So if you don't have mass 15, we'll send that to you. Okay.

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Speaker 8

01:01:45

Oh, awesome. Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 3

01:01:46

No problem.

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Speaker 2

01:01:47

When are

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Speaker 3

01:01:47

you getting married, by the way?

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Speaker 8

01:01:49

Oh, 2025. I want to graduate vet school first and get all my ducks in a row.

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Speaker 3

01:01:54

All right. Good for you. Smart.

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Speaker 3

01:01:55

Yeah, congratulations.

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Speaker 4

01:01:57

Get it.

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Speaker 8

01:01:57

Thank you. Thanks, guys, so much.

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Speaker 3

01:01:59

You got it.

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Speaker 2

01:02:00

Yeah, you

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Speaker 3

01:02:00

know what's funny? We wrote Mass 15, right? And how many DMs do we get from people who are like, I didn't think I'd hit PR.

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Speaker 3

01:02:07

I don't think I'd build muscle. Like this is crazy.

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Speaker 4

01:02:09

All the time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4

01:02:12

I keep getting them. Yeah, it's strange. And again, I think that people underestimate the frequency component.

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Speaker 2

01:02:17

I also think it highlights something else that we have communicated on this podcast and we've admitted ourselves that we're guilty of this is obviously if you listen to a fitness podcast, you probably like fitness. You're into it, right? You're probably, and I would

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Speaker 3

01:02:28

hope so.

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Speaker 2

01:02:29

And probably a good percentage are even probably fitness fanatics like us.

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Speaker 3

01:02:32

They could benefit from moving a

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Speaker 2

01:02:33

little less. We tend to overreach and over-train and not count all the other stress in our life. Family member dies, school, test, work, grinding like crazy.

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Speaker 2

01:02:45

Oh, and then I'm crushing the gym too. And it's like, you know, I think a lot of people didn't realize That may be scaling back the workout that would not hinder the results. In fact, it ended up accelerating a lot of people you know she brought up something else that we We don't talk too much that about like an example of like where I cut out like my mobility stuff and I think you guys answered it perfect. It's like so if I'm if I'm going to squat and you said it's not like that's a movement pattern where I have to do combat stretch.

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Speaker 2

01:03:14

I've got to do like a quick zone 1 thing and prime my upper back to perform a really, otherwise my low back will be feeling it, my hips will be feeling it, and I'll pay for it afterwards. It's like, it's a non-negotiable that, but I can go into a deadlift cold.

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Speaker 5

01:03:28

I can

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Speaker 2

01:03:28

go into even over it. Now, does that mean that I wouldn't benefit from doing prime movements? Absolutely, I would benefit, but I could go into those movements.

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Speaker 3

01:03:34

You could warm up with the movement.

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Speaker 2

01:03:35

That's right. There are certain movements that are just, I absolutely have to prime in order to get myself in a favorable position. Then there's other movements that I can, it would be ideal for me still to prime.

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Speaker 2

01:03:46

And if I have the time, I'm definitely doing it. But if that's something where I'm like, shit, I'm crunched on time. It's okay. I'm dead lifting today.

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Speaker 2

01:03:52

I can get right into that movie.

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Speaker 6

01:03:53

So next color is Carrie from Indiana. Carrie what's happening?

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01:03:58

How can we help you?

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Speaker 9

01:03:58

How you doing guys?

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Speaker 2

01:04:00

Nice to see you.

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Speaker 3

01:04:00

Good man. Thank you.

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Speaker 9

01:04:02

I, uh, Thanks for taking the time to have me on today. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3

01:04:06

You got it. How can we help you?

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Speaker 9

01:04:08

Well, just to kind of give you a quick bio. So I'm sure you've heard this story about a million times over your guys' years of training, but I'm divorced, no kids over the last few years, especially during COVID, I put on a ton of weight, just been a rough few years like everybody else. I'm currently 45 years old and

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Speaker 1

01:04:27

5'10", 305.

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Speaker 9

01:04:31

Started working out seriously for the first time about 3 or 4 months ago and lost about 20-25 pounds since then. And currently I am doing

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Speaker 1

01:04:40

170

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Speaker 9

01:04:41

grams of protein per day, 2400 calories. I get almost all my foods from Whole Foods, kind of took that advice from you guys as far as trying to stay away from the restaurants with seed oils and whatnot that you guys have taught me. And I quickly learned just kind of like going through podcasts and I thought you guys do want to go and I got into the gym and just love how much I've learned so far and I'm going back and listen to old episodes and just really appreciate everything you guys put out there.

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Speaker 9

01:05:06

So just wanted to say thanks for that. And I'm just kind of at a point where like, I want to make sure that I'm getting everything I can out of my efforts and I don't really know where to begin. I know, I love, there's so many like maps programs and things out there that are available. And I love listening to some of the, a lot of the callers talk about different programs but I'm not really sure like what would be best for me.

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Speaker 9

01:05:28

I do have limited mobilities at times just because of my weight, I feel like I can't even touch my toes like sometimes and hamstrings are tight from lifting lately. And, um, but I will say that, like I said, I lost about 20, 30 pounds so far. I'm stronger than I've ever been. I'm doing, I'm getting PRS all the time because I'm lifting pretty heavy.

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Speaker 9

01:05:45

Um, and I hear you guys talk about like reverse dieting versus cutting. Hit versus zone 2 cardio or just walking. Um, I hear you guys talk about high reps versus low reps. I, I not really sure, like how, where to begin and how to, I guess how to start this journey.

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Speaker 3

01:06:03

Yeah. Well, you came to the right place for sure. And congratulations on your initial 20 pound weight loss. Um, yeah.

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Speaker 3

01:06:10

So what does your workout look like now? How many days a week do you go to the gym? Uh, how long are your workouts? What are the exercises you tend to do?

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Speaker 9

01:06:17

Yeah, I'm currently doing like a 3 day split where like push pull legs. I'm walking about 60 minutes on the other 4 days. My workouts consist of usually about 6 exercises, about 18 reps, anywhere between on the low end like 6 reps if I'm trying to lift heavy for a set or up to like 10 or 12 reps for you know some of the other sets.

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Speaker 9

01:06:42

Largely I haven't really got much into like some of the core exercises that you guys have talked about as far as like squats or anything like that, it's more of a bench overhead press. Um, yeah, more of the, you know, leg, mostly machines for legs currently, you know, uh, more of like kind of a beginner workouts that I found online.

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Speaker 3

01:07:04

Okay. Carrie, can you do a deadlift in a squat and a barbell squat? Are you, have you tried those? Okay.

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Speaker 3

01:07:11

Uh, maps anabolic would be the perfect program for you, but I would start you in pre phase. And I would do, I would do pre phase for about 6 weeks, maybe 8 weeks, so 6 to 8 weeks, and then move to phase 1 and then follow the program. I think that'll be perfect for you, okay? By the way, what you're doing right now is not bad.

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Speaker 2

01:07:27

Yeah, you're okay.

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Speaker 3

01:07:28

You're actually doing okay right now.

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Speaker 2

01:07:30

Which is why you're seeing great results. I think the only thing I would, I would probably bump your protein to like 200 grams.

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Speaker 3

01:07:35

Exactly what I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2

01:07:37

So I'd push you up a little bit on it, but that's about it. I mean, so that will also bring your calories to probably about 2, 600 calories or so. So I would love to put you on MAPS anabolic, like Sal said.

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Speaker 2

01:07:48

That new stimulus, especially with the squatting and deadlifting, new movements in there right now, with an increase in grams of protein, I think you're going to see yourself continue to build muscle and continue to speed your metabolism up, which would be the main focus I think for the next probably 6 to 8 weeks. Like he said, I love that direction. That's it.

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Speaker 3

01:08:05

Now the other thing I would do.

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Speaker 2

01:08:06

Well, you're doing great, bro. You

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Speaker 3

01:08:07

are. And the other thing I would do is I would track your steps every day.

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Speaker 9

01:08:11

And which I do do that.

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Speaker 3

01:08:12

Okay. So what are you averaging on a daily basis?

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Speaker 9

01:08:15

Um, it kind of, I mean, honestly, like the 4 days that I'm walking in between my lifts, I get a lot more steps, but on average, probably about 8 to 10, 000. Okay,

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Speaker 3

01:08:23

good. So try to see if you could hit 8 to 10, 000 steps a day without the treadmill. That would be the 1 piece of advice I'll give you. Now here's why.

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Speaker 3

01:08:32

Not that there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with the treadmill. You're walking. There's nothing wrong with it, but long-term, if we're going to try and create, uh, habits and behaviors in a lifestyle that's sustainable, because here's the challenge, I'm gonna be honest with you. I know right now you're thinking the challenge is to lose the weight.

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Speaker 3

01:08:46

It's actually not going to be the challenge. The challenge is gonna be keeping it off. Okay. Now they're both hard, but if I were to compare the 2, losing the weight is significantly easier than keeping it off, keeping nobody keeps it off.

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Speaker 3

01:08:57

Like, you know, maybe 5 to 10% of people are able to do it because what they do

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Speaker 9

01:09:01

is the third time I've tried to lose the weight. I've lost a hundred pounds twice in my life already.

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Speaker 3

01:09:05

Oh, wow. Okay. So, you know, you know that.

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Speaker 3

01:09:08

Okay.

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Speaker 9

01:09:08

Yeah. So first few times I didn't do it the healthy way. I'm trying to do it the right way this time.

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Speaker 3

01:09:12

You are so far staying on this. And so rather than, than, than walking on a treadmill and getting those steps, see if you can challenge yourself to do it just throughout the day. So what does that look like?

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Speaker 3

01:09:25

And experiment with this. Literally, you go to the store, park far away. You got to use the bathroom in the building, use the 1 on the third floor, take the stairs. You're in your chair, let's say you're watching TV, be like, you know what, I need to get some more steps, walk around while watching.

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Speaker 3

01:09:40

Small things, what happens is you start to develop different behaviors and You're more likely to be consistent with something like that than you are to stop, get on a treadmill for 60 minutes, you know, something like that. So that would be pretty much it. And then the protein, 200 grams a day from whole foods, eat the protein first, if you're not doing that already. So whenever you look at your food, your meal, whatever the protein is, eat that first, then move to the rest that helps control cravings.

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Speaker 3

01:10:07

It helps with satiety. It helps with blood sugar. And it's another great behavior to learn. What happened over time is As you start doing that, that's how you're going to prefer to eat.

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Speaker 3

01:10:18

When I was a kid growing up, we always ate the starches first. But then when I got into fitness, I ate the protein first. Now I'll always eat the protein first. No matter what, it's just the way I prefer to eat.

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Speaker 3

01:10:28

So it's another kind of behavior training tool. That would be the other thing I'd say, but that's pretty much it. And then when we give you maps anabolic, pre-phase and perfect form is the priority. Perfect form.

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Speaker 3

01:10:40

Okay. So it's all right to lift heavy. It's all right to go hard, but do not compromise your form even a quarter of an inch, okay? Because what you want to do over time is practice perfect movement and that's going to pay you back dividends.

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Speaker 2

01:10:53

Here's how we're going to make sure of that, okay? We're going to make sure that when you lose this 100 pounds this time that you keep it off forever. And I'm going to have Doug put you in the private forum also.

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Speaker 2

01:11:03

And then what I, my, my ask of you is that when you start going through the maps and a ball program and you're squatting and you're deadlifting show, share the videos with us and tag us so we can help you with the form and technique, make sure you're staying on point with all that and just check in with us. Continue to check in with us through your progress. That's what that forum is there for. It's an incredible community of a bunch of people like yourself that have gone through most of the programs and then us and make sure you stay in touch with us and we'll make sure that you not only lose this but you keep it off forever.

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Speaker 9

01:11:34

Awesome that is exactly what I'm looking for. I just want to get leaner. I want to get strong.

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Speaker 9

01:11:40

I don't want to just be skinny like I was before.

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Speaker 2

01:11:42

You're doing it right. You're already doing it right.

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Speaker 3

01:11:44

That's the right attitude.

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Speaker 2

01:11:45

Yeah you're doing it you're already doing it right right now we're just gonna make sure you stay on the course.

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Speaker 9

01:11:51

Awesome, that is fantastic advice. I really appreciate it, guys.

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Speaker 2

01:11:54

You got it, brother. All right, Cary.

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Speaker 3

01:11:55

Yeah, thanks for calling in, man.

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Speaker 9

01:11:58

Thanks a lot, you guys have a great day.

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Speaker 2

01:11:59

Appreciate

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Speaker 3

01:12:00

it. Wow, I'll tell you what, when he said that he's lost 100 pounds twice, and now he's trying again, I want people just to understand that. That is a big deal, because what tends to happen when somebody loses a lot of weight and gains it back, they never try again. They never try, Or they'll try a second time, and if they try a second time and fail, which often happens, then they're done forever.

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Speaker 4

01:12:23

So deflating.

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Speaker 3

01:12:23

The fact that he's trying again is a testament.

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Speaker 2

01:12:27

That's really, really good. And has the discipline to be patient. Yes.

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Speaker 2

01:12:29

And do it the slow, right way. Because

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Speaker 3

01:12:31

people tend to not do it better the second or third time.

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Speaker 2

01:12:33

Yeah, yeah, no, you just get more extreme. Typically people that do this, the second, the third, or the fourth, however many times they do this. It's like, well, it

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Speaker 3

01:12:38

didn't work that time, go

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Speaker 2

01:12:39

even crazier. That's right, they just keep upping the extreme diet or the extreme exercise routine to do that. So the fact that he's had the mental discipline and fortitude to actually slow this process down, he's doing a great job.

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Speaker 2

01:12:52

And what's great is he's only been doing machines for lower body when he starts squatting and deadlifting. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 4

01:12:58

it's going to be a world opened up.

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Speaker 2

01:13:00

Yeah, increase that protein a little bit. He's going to pack on some more muscle. That metabolism is going to get roaring.

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Speaker 2

01:13:05

He's on the right track, man. So I'm excited to stay in touch with him in the forum.

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Speaker 6

01:13:09

Our next caller is David from Minnesota.

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Speaker 3

01:13:12

David, what's happening? How can we help you?

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Speaker 7

01:13:14

Hey guys, I just have a question for you and I thought it was a pretty good 1. I work from home so my spine tends to get compressed and I know that certain things like walking and and pull-ups and dead bar hangs help, but I still want to lift weights. And common sense tells me that chest press and shoulder press are not a good idea while you're trying to be decompressed, but do you have other exercises that are safe to do in the meantime.

S3

Speaker 3

01:13:48

Yes. And now you left, I'm reading your question here. So there's an important factor that we want to consider when we answer this. So it says in the question that you have cerebral palsy.

S3

Speaker 3

01:14:00

Is that correct?

S6

Speaker 6

01:14:00

Cerebral palsy.

S3

Speaker 3

01:14:02

Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay.

S3

Speaker 3

01:14:04

So now I'm going to give you a general answer that's true for anybody, okay? Any exercise that you can perform with good control and stability, okay, is safe. Any exercise, okay? Now specifically exercises that may help the spine, I like the ones that you're already doing.

S3

Speaker 3

01:14:25

I also like you sitting on things that require you to activate your core a little bit. Like a physio ball might be okay, or they sell certain chairs that require you to be a little stable. And there's also standing desks that can help with that as well. And that's just, I mean, I advise that for most people anyway, and it does make a difference because it does require you to maintain yourself with different stability versus like just kind of sitting into the chair.

S7

Speaker 7

01:14:51

That, that makes perfect sense. And for more context, I'm an accountant who works from home, so that's pretty sedentary.

S2

Speaker 2

01:15:01

Yes. Also, what do you, what do you think about like bands and suspension trainers, stuff like that?

S3

Speaker 3

01:15:04

Oh, I mean, amazing. Do you go to a gym or do you work out at home?

S7

Speaker 7

01:15:09

I work out at home. I do have like a local gym nearby, but

S4

Speaker 4

01:15:15

What is your setup consist of? Yeah.

S2

Speaker 2

01:15:17

Yeah. What do you have?

S7

Speaker 7

01:15:19

I've got, uh, adjustable dumbbells, uh, like the, what's it called? The, the Dumbler that no region Dumbler where you fit plates on and it's got the magnetic clips. And I've got every band you can imagine and a pull up bar drawer attachment and a dip stand.

S3

Speaker 3

01:15:41

Oh, you know what would

S2

Speaker 2

01:15:43

be symmetry would be really good too.

S3

Speaker 3

01:15:45

Well, I would go map starter.

S4

Speaker 4

01:15:46

Yeah. I

S3

Speaker 3

01:15:47

would just do map starter. Do you have any of our programs?

S7

Speaker 7

01:15:50

I do not. I was wondering which 1 would be like the best to get first because I thought since I have all the bands, maybe bands would be good, but Starting from step 1 might be a good idea.

S3

Speaker 3

01:16:03

I'm gonna give the experts. I'm gonna give you maps over

S4

Speaker 4

01:16:05

those Yeah,

S2

Speaker 2

01:16:05

I'm gonna give you

S3

Speaker 3

01:16:06

a map starter. We'll give you bands. You could do that later.

S3

Speaker 3

01:16:08

It'd

S4

Speaker 4

01:16:08

be great

S3

Speaker 3

01:16:09

But start with map starter I think that would be the right program and then remember what I said, right if you can do an exercise and you feel like you've got adequate stability and control and mobility then it's safe. So any exercise can be dangerous and any exercise can be safe based off of those standards.

S2

Speaker 2

01:16:28

And the goal that I'm doing with you David if you're my client is I'm always challenging form, technique, tempo, stability before I add load. So let's say you and I are doing an overhead press and you're like, Adam, I'm kicking ass at this. Say we're doing say 90 pounds over your head and you're like, we're super happy and you're like, I can do more, I'm going to go like, okay, what I want you to do is stabilize at the top, slow down the negative, and I'm going to make that 90 pounds even heavier and more challenging without adding load.

S2

Speaker 2

01:16:56

So think that way too. So as you progress yourself through the movements in any of the programs that we have before you just jump to adding more weight because you know you can do more weight, challenge yourself by slowing down the tempo or adding a stability component to the movement that's going to serve you much more than just adding 10 or 15 pounds to the bar.

S3

Speaker 3

01:17:16

Totally, Totally. That would be all the focus if I was training.

S1

Speaker 1

01:17:19

100%.

S3

Speaker 3

01:17:21

How long have you been doing strength training?

S7

Speaker 7

01:17:24

I've been doing strength training since I was about freshman in high school, especially with cerebral palsy. It's sort of a game changer when it comes to just coordination and balance and like certain things that used to knock me over before I started lifting legs did not. Like that, for example.

S2

Speaker 2

01:17:44

It's

S1

Speaker 1

01:17:45

100%

S3

Speaker 3

01:17:47

the game changer for someone like yourself. 100%. You're training, when you're doing strength training, a lot of people think they're training their muscles, and you are, but you're training your central nervous system as much or more.

S3

Speaker 3

01:18:00

And that stability and that control factor is what I want you to focus on when you're following map starters. So when you look at the exercise and you do it, go with a weight that is lighter and then try to make it heavier by doing a slower, more controlled run.

S4

Speaker 4

01:18:12

Add that muscle tension too. So that slow tempo is everything, but really too, to really kind of squeeze and connect to those muscles as you hold in full extension and then slowly bring it back down, it's just going to do wonders for you.

S3

Speaker 3

01:18:26

Yeah. And then we'll send you MAPS bands. That's a band-related workout as well, but I think MAPS starter is a place to start.

S7

Speaker 7

01:18:33

All right.

S2

Speaker 2

01:18:33

Stay in touch with us too. All right, David, let us know as you go through those, because then I even think there's some great benefits to symmetry for you after that. So I like starter, I like bands, and then I even like the isometric and unilateral work for you for from symmetry.

S2

Speaker 2

01:18:45

So we'll move into that after those.

S7

Speaker 7

01:18:48

All right. Yeah, I'll do the program and I'll keep you guys up to date. Awesome.

S3

Speaker 3

01:18:53

Perfect, man. Thank you.

S2

Speaker 2

01:18:55

All right, David. Keep after it, man.

S3

Speaker 3

01:18:57

Thank you. All right. I can't think of a job that would be more torturous for me than an accountant.

S3

Speaker 3

01:19:03

I'm an accountant, oh my God, imagine sitting down and

S4

Speaker 4

01:19:06

doing numbers

S3

Speaker 3

01:19:06

all day long.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:06

I ever tell you about 1 of my high school best friends that he lived with me when I moved to San Jose. I remember you told me this. He got a job with Deloitte and Touche.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:15

And that was back when I was working at the gym and we were, you know, the grinding gym schedule, right? Get home 10, 11 o'clock at night. And I love the job, right? So I come home all like-

S3

Speaker 3

01:19:25

Psyched.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:25

Yeah, psyched and energy like we all did, right? And he'd come home just like he just got beat and I'd be like, what'd you do today, dude? He's like, bro, I fucking photocopied for 12 hours.

S4

Speaker 4

01:19:34

Yeah. Photocopied.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:36

Swear to God. And this was like every day. Yeah.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:40

And he's like, and literally- It's

S4

Speaker 4

01:19:41

like office space.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:42

They almost like put you through the gauntlet. If you work for like 1 of these big firm, they put you through the gauntlet until you make partner. And that's the deal, you are the runt and you just do all the bitch work.

S2

Speaker 2

01:19:52

It's already a laborious job as it is, being an accountant. And then you gotta do all the bitch work on top of that to earn your stripes before. Because once you become partner, you make really good fucking money. And he couldn't, he's like, he knew what the pot of gold was the in the rainbow and he's like I

S3

Speaker 3

01:20:06

can't not worth it

S2

Speaker 2

01:20:07

still he couldn't yeah he never never went back

S3

Speaker 3

01:20:09

what he ended up doing so

S2

Speaker 2

01:20:10

he's actually in the wine industry oh much more fun he's very successful too he's he's up in the uh in fact I told you I think I showed you a picture of him. He was at the Laker-Warrior game down low with me. We hadn't seen each other in years and I ran into

S4

Speaker 4

01:20:23

him. And you ran into him there?

S2

Speaker 2

01:20:23

Yeah, yeah, and he's doing all the wine thing, but yeah, counting is.

S3

Speaker 3

01:20:27

Back to David, have you guys trained anybody with cerebral palsy

S4

Speaker 4

01:20:29

before?

S3

Speaker 3

01:20:29

I have.

S2

Speaker 2

01:20:30

And I've had, I actually have, we had a close family friend that had it, but he was really like, David looks like he's.

S4

Speaker 4

01:20:35

Yeah, he looks like he's with it.

S2

Speaker 2

01:20:37

Yeah, my buddy. Yeah, there's varying degrees. I had

S4

Speaker 4

01:20:40

a real limited. Very well, right.

S3

Speaker 3

01:20:42

Strength training is such, I mean, now it's standard care, right? When you have, they do forms of strength training almost always. But, and it just, it just makes such a huge difference.

S4

Speaker 4

01:20:53

What I noticed when I had a client that had difficulty, it was like when she didn't show up, it was like the symptoms got even worse.

S2

Speaker 2

01:21:00

Well, isn't it, is it considered a neurological degenerative disease?

S3

Speaker 3

01:21:05

It can degenerate. Yes.

S2

Speaker 2

01:21:06

Right. So you talk about if that's what's going to happen, it's going to atrophy and lose connect. I mean, nothing is going to be better.

S3

Speaker 3

01:21:12

That's the counter.

S6

Speaker 6

01:21:13

David, keep going, man. Our next caller is Joe from Copenhagen.

S3

Speaker 3

01:21:18

Joe, what's happening? How can we help you?

S5

Speaker 5

01:21:20

Hello, guys. So first of all, I just want to thank you for putting yourself out there. And I actually found you like 3 years ago through Polcheck.

S5

Speaker 5

01:21:29

And since then, I just binged most of your stuff. And I also want to thank you for sharing your journey as a father and as a man. It's very impactful and also be doubtful because just growing up, like raising small humans, it's quite a responsibility. So I appreciate you sharing your journey.

S3

Speaker 3

01:21:46

Thank you.

S5

Speaker 5

01:21:47

You're awesome. So, a bit about me. My background is I've been playing ice hockey until I was 20.

S5

Speaker 5

01:21:56

I also did karate. I had a lot of injuries throughout that time, but the last 1 I had, the most impactful that I also like why I'm here is I dislocated my shoulder and my elbow at the same time. And then I had a year later, I had latargette surgery because, um, yeah, it was just unstable. Um, so that was 4 years ago.

S5

Speaker 5

01:22:18

It since then has been going better. I had had troubles with pushing and overhead pressing before I could do a, like a L sit from the, from the ground and go to the handstand. Now I'm happy that I can do it else because my shoulder is just very painful, especially in the back of the shoulder, where especially when I'm pressing and when I'm... It's actually only when I'm pressing and when I'm moving my arms up.

S5

Speaker 5

01:22:44

So I have been doing... I did MAPS anabolic. That helped because I also did additionally only one-sided dumbbell rows, presses and kettlebell presses and high reps of those. But it's been very slow.

S5

Speaker 5

01:23:04

So in 4 years, I have not been able to recover. I was able to shoulder press like 24 degrees, 24 kilograms with 1, with 1 hand, but now I can do 20 and it's painful. So the question that I have really, and I skipped a little bit, but the question that I have is, what would you recommend? Would you recommend doing something like symmetry or, and also I skipped something.

S5

Speaker 5

01:23:31

So I don't have a gym membership. So the part of, of the problem is that I, I was a coaching. So I was a fitness coach. I don't coach anymore, um, because of the finances and stuff.

S5

Speaker 5

01:23:46

So I started doing gardening and I also canceled my gym membership because of that. So right now I'm doing gardening, uh, day job. I am doing band training and calisthenics. And besides that, I'm trying to get bigger and stronger and, and most importantly, fix my shoulder so I can actually get bigger and stronger without problems.

S3

Speaker 3

01:24:10

Okay. Let's back up for a second. Okay.

S5

Speaker 5

01:24:12

Yeah. I got carried

S2

Speaker 2

01:24:13

away. Okay.

S3

Speaker 3

01:24:15

So, uh, so that's a lot

S2

Speaker 2

01:24:16

of good information.

S3

Speaker 3

01:24:16

Yeah. So, ladder jet surgery, this is the 1 where they remove some bone from a part of your body, attach it to the top of the shoulder, the humerus, and they try to create a tighter, basically a tighter shoulder socket to prevent further dislocation. Is that correct?

S5

Speaker 5

01:24:36

Yes, yes. They reposition to take the bone from the glenoid and they put it on the... Or to put it on the glenoid, they take the bone from around the clavicular.

S3

Speaker 3

01:24:48

Okay. How did you dislocate your shoulder? Cause that, that was, that's a pretty substantial surgery.

S5

Speaker 5

01:24:54

Uh, yeah, I got pushed from behind playing on the eyes of the game. And yeah, during the game.

S4

Speaker 4

01:25:00

Okay.

S3

Speaker 3

01:25:01

Yeah. Okay. So traditional mobility work. Um, and cause what's here's the deal.

S3

Speaker 3

01:25:07

Your structure is different now. Yeah. Okay. So when they do that, they've changed your structure, which essentially means all of the muscles and supporting structures, you literally have to relearn new pattern.

S4

Speaker 4

01:25:18

Whole new recruitment pattern, yeah.

S3

Speaker 3

01:25:19

Okay, so it's not like it was before. So even if you had the old recruitment pattern, which you probably still lost because you went through the injury process and the surgery, even if you had that, it still would need to change a little bit because your anatomy is now different. Okay, so your anatomy has changed in a small but significant way.

S3

Speaker 3

01:25:38

So correctional exercise is going to be paramount right now. Maps Prime Pro has shoulder movements in there that I think you should do on a daily basis, and I think you should do them slowly and carefully, with intention. And I don't know if you can expect to get back to where you were before, but you could definitely go a lot further than you are right now. So, that would be the priority is what I'd focus on.

S3

Speaker 3

01:26:04

As far as your workout is concerned, map symmetry would be the way to go, but you don't have dumbbells, do you?

S5

Speaker 5

01:26:12

No, I have kettlebells.

S3

Speaker 3

01:26:14

Okay. You're okay then. I think you can modify it. It'll be all right.

S2

Speaker 2

01:26:17

You could do with kettlebells.

S4

Speaker 4

01:26:18

Yeah, I think too, like he said, in terms of like really hyper focusing on the what's, you know, your mobility issues and repatterning that whole process. But then too, like after you get through kind of that, that isometric kind of kin stretch type of work to add load, I would very much like start with rubber bands with that as your next kind of follow up to that just because of the load damage with that and also like the consistent sort of resistance that you're going to have to then, because you just got to take some time to realize, like, you know, you have to reteach, you know, that function out of that shoulder before we really start to kind of get to where I know you want to go, because you've been able to lift, you know, quite some weight there with your shoulder before, but to reteach it and then also go through kind of more unilateral work so we can simultaneously kind of have both sides work their way up together So it's not just a fully by loaded situation.

S3

Speaker 3

01:27:19

Let the weaker side dictate the weight by the way. So don't lift more weight just cause you're stronger on your other shoulder. Do exactly what you do on the weaker side on your stronger side.

S3

Speaker 3

01:27:28

Otherwise you'll maintain an imbalance if you continue to lift different weights.

S2

Speaker 2

01:27:32

So let me make sure I'm hearing you guys correctly then. So then the prescription here is, we're gonna send you a Maps Prime Pro, do the shoulder work in there, like as much as you can really, cause it's just- I

S3

Speaker 3

01:27:43

would do it several times a day.

S2

Speaker 2

01:27:44

Yeah, multiple times a day if you can so that you follow what it says for shoulder in there and then progress into symmetry. When you run symmetry we're going to use kettlebells. Where do you want to incorporate bands?

S4

Speaker 4

01:27:58

I wish because in band in MAPS bands we have band distractions which is kind of what I'm alluding to in terms of like adding, you know, resistance to your mobility moves.

S2

Speaker 2

01:28:08

Do you have bands?

S5

Speaker 5

01:28:10

Yeah, I have bands.

S2

Speaker 2

01:28:11

Okay, so then why don't we give him bands and then specifically take the band distractions and implement that.

S4

Speaker 4

01:28:18

There you go. So it's basically like our frequency builder days like in between. So you would be doing that full session there to kind of work your way back with bands resistance.

S3

Speaker 3

01:28:29

Yeah, but Think of it this way, Joe. If you were to learn how to walk, and let's say you started learning how to walk, okay? And you had to really focus on your technique because you're learning how to walk.

S3

Speaker 3

01:28:42

If someone told you to run real fast and you tried, you might be able to move faster, but your technique would go out the window because now you're trying to do it with speed and intensity, okay? Because of your shoulder procedure, you have to go light, slow, and really, really focus on developing new recruitment patterns and recruitment patterns that work for you. If you push intensity and speed too soon, you will be able to lift more weight and you will be able to move faster, but your body's not going to go and develop- The momentum's going to mask

S4

Speaker 4

01:29:16

some of those disconnects.

S3

Speaker 3

01:29:18

Yeah.

S4

Speaker 4

01:29:18

So we want to reconnect the entire way through. And that's why bands are great for that, because there's no getting around the fact that you're going to have resistance in every portion of that rep.

S2

Speaker 2

01:29:29

A way for you to measure or know if you're on the right track to what they're saying is Prime Pro, the real goal of what we just gave you and everything we said is to get perfect at those shoulder movements. So in the video demos you're going to see Justin doing a bunch of the moves. I think you're doing most of the moves in there, right?

S4

Speaker 4

01:29:49

Yeah. In Pram Pro, yeah.

S2

Speaker 2

01:29:51

So Justin's doing most of the moves in there. You want to get to a place with your shoulder to be able to perform the movements as well as he can. That's more of a priority than loading and going heavier with your kettlebell.

S2

Speaker 2

01:30:04

So make that the priority is getting really good at that intensifying that workout more than trying to intensify the weight training workout.

S3

Speaker 3

01:30:11

Yeah, 1 last thing in the shoulders are complex joint. It's not just the shoulder, it's also the scapula that has to learn and develop recruitment patterns that are now going to be favorable considering your slightly altered structure. In prime pro, their scapular movements and shoulder movements do them both.

S3

Speaker 3

01:30:29

Yep. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

S3

Speaker 3

01:30:31

Yeah. Yeah.

S5

Speaker 5

01:30:32

Yeah. So, Yeah, but this surgery was 4 years ago. Since then, I've been doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. I actually got my blue belt and I won competitions.

S5

Speaker 5

01:30:39

But still, my shoulder is weaker and I've been trying to work through it.

S3

Speaker 3

01:30:43

Listen, I'm not telling you rehab stuff. I'm telling you how to get your shoulder to stop hurting. So you've gotten stronger.

S3

Speaker 3

01:30:52

You're definitely stronger, but it hurts.

S2

Speaker 2

01:30:54

Bro, when you go through Prime Pro, if you do Prime Pro correctly, you'll be sweating from the movements. So it's not like this sit back and lay yoga shit. It's going to be intense.

S2

Speaker 2

01:31:05

And that's where your intensity should be in there. That's where you are really trying to create this greater range of motion, better control in the shoulder complex area. That's what you wanna be. And it's not like Sal saying, it's not like some, you know, cheesy little rehab thing that you're doing that you

S3

Speaker 3

01:31:20

can- If you're hurting, that means your recruitment pattern is not ideal. And you've gotten strong in this not great recruitment pattern. So if you push the weight, you're going to just keep doing what you're doing.

S2

Speaker 2

01:31:31

Yeah.

S3

Speaker 3

01:31:32

That's why we got to back down

S4

Speaker 4

01:31:33

and reinforce the dysfunction.

S3

Speaker 3

01:31:35

You have to learn a new recruitment pattern. You have to learn it. And it takes a little bit of time and it takes practice.

S3

Speaker 3

01:31:42

Um, but if you push the weight, you're going to default to what you're stronger at, And right now you're stronger at a recruitment pattern that's causing pain. I hope that makes sense.

S5

Speaker 5

01:31:51

Yeah. I also noticed my, it has kind of been like this, maybe from my isoche, that my 1 shoulder, I think my left 1 is lower than my right shoulder.

S4

Speaker 4

01:31:59

Sure.

S5

Speaker 5

01:32:00

That could be also because of, and actually the doctor told me that I should have surgery on the right shoulder actually as well because I'm

S3

Speaker 3

01:32:09

Be careful with with you know When somebody has a hammer and you ask him, you know to put a screw in because they're gonna tell you to hammer to screw in.

S5

Speaker 5

01:32:16

So yeah, I'm not going there. Not going there anymore.

S3

Speaker 3

01:32:19

Yeah. Learning new recruitment patterns when you've already strengthened a bad, an old, uh, you know, uh, 1 that's not ideal and it's strong, it takes time. It takes time. So give yourself a year of focus and then you'll get strong.

S3

Speaker 3

01:32:34

You'll surpass where you are now and you'll have no pain or far less pain.

S5

Speaker 5

01:32:39

Hmm. Okay. A year. That's something it

S3

Speaker 3

01:32:42

takes a while. It takes a while, but you've, you've, You've developed this recruitment pattern now for the last 3, 4 years.

S5

Speaker 5

01:32:50

It's actually been getting better as I was getting stronger. I had to push through a little bit. But yes, it's been 4 years since surgery and it's been hurting less, but it's still hurting.

S5

Speaker 5

01:33:02

It's not that much easier.

S2

Speaker 2

01:33:04

Well, it

S3

Speaker 3

01:33:04

might take less than a year in that case, but it's going to take some time is my point.

S2

Speaker 2

01:33:07

Yeah, and it'll get progressively better. It won't be like you don't see anything for a year. It's like, you don't, you don't, but what Sal's saying is be Patient, be patient.

S2

Speaker 2

01:33:16

This is not like an overnight thing. And the stuff in Prime Pro, I can't stress enough that it's far more valuable to frequently do it throughout the day and every day than it is to do 1 hard session or 2 hard sessions a week, which is what a lot of people tend to do is they approach mobility stuff.

S3

Speaker 3

01:33:37

Like a bodybuilding. 1 of

S4

Speaker 4

01:33:38

the beautiful things is it's intense, but you can repeat it constantly because you can recover pretty quickly from it. So it's not like it's doing damage. What it's doing is just reinforcing that better recruitment pattern.

S4

Speaker 4

01:33:50

So now, you know, your function and your strength is all going to be more stabilized.

S2

Speaker 2

01:33:56

Because you have experience too, you're athletic, you have a background here, you're going to notice that there's like, you know, wall circles and there's a handcuff with rotation. There's these all these different movements. You're going to find 1 or 2 of them that you feel really good from it after it does, like you're going to do it.

S2

Speaker 2

01:34:12

You're gonna be like, Oh wow, that that does feel like it's working and helping when, when that light bulb goes off for you, you do that all the time then. Like, make that be the, like, let's say it's the wall circle and you're like, oh shit, when I do that.

S3

Speaker 3

01:34:24

Yeah, 5 times a day.

S2

Speaker 2

01:34:25

That really, I can feel that helps me out and now when I move I can feel that the pain's decreasing. Like, that's your signal like, oh, that's really improving what you need and do it all the time. Don't just do it once every couple of days, do it 4 or 5 times a day for just a minute or 2.

S2

Speaker 2

01:34:39

Like literally every time you get next to a wall, you got a few minutes.

S4

Speaker 4

01:34:42

Right before your threshold, you know, hold it, squeeze into it, connect with it, back off and you just keep that pattern going and going and going until eventually it's no more. All

S2

Speaker 2

01:34:51

right. All right.

S3

Speaker 3

01:34:53

All right.

S2

Speaker 2

01:34:54

Joseph, thanks.

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01:34:55

So we'll send those to you.

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01:34:57

Thank you guys. I have another question. It's a bit sensitive, but if you don't mind, I'll

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01:35:03

go ahead.

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01:35:07

So there is a lot of, I mean, not much information on how do you. So in my, in my family, it's been genetically problems with hemorrhoids And I find very hard to work out, especially to push harder, uh, with that kind of issue, because if I wait, leave, it creates pressure. It can create internal oppression and then it fires up hemorrhoids and it's not enough information out there to figure out how to work out around it or just give it a rest and wait.

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01:35:35

I don't know. Do you have anything there?

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Speaker 3

01:35:37

Yeah, well, okay. So the experience I have with this is when I would train postpartum women. So hemorrhoids was very common in women who just had a baby, super common.

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01:35:47

I think like

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01:35:48

70%

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01:35:49

of women have some. Is it really that high?

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Speaker 3

01:35:50

Yeah. Wow. That's pretty, I mean, you're pushing a baby up.

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01:35:53

I didn't realize it was that high.

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Speaker 3

01:35:54

Yeah, and then they would hire me and I would do strength training with them. And of course this would oftentimes become an issue. So number 1, the number 1 factor that helped was modifying their diet.

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01:36:08

Lots of fluid and a high fiber diet without really preventing any kind of straining or constipation. So they would eat well-cooked vegetables. They would add psyllium. Psyllium husk is a really, really good supplement for them.

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01:36:21

So they would start the morning off with a serving, like a tablespoon of psyllium husk with 2 glasses of water. You have to have a lot of water with psyllium. Otherwise, it actually acts in the opposite. Okay.

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01:36:32

So that, that made the biggest difference. Then when we would work out, I would have them, and this is the thing with this, uh, as it gets better, you can start to train with higher intensity, but in the beginning you have to learn to breathe and relax the body and focus on the target area. So this is not an ideal way to lift heavy, right? When you're lifting heavy, you want to activate everything and you want to strain and struggle.

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01:36:53

But with something like this, I would have them while they're doing it, try to keep the face Relaxed. You can brace the core, but don't create lots of internal pressure in the core. This is the opposite of what I would tell somebody when they're doing a heavy PR. Okay?

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Speaker 3

01:37:11

So heavy PRs are probably out of the question. So they would breathe out, Relax the face, focus on the target muscle, and that usually would create less pressure on the area that they would feel it negatively otherwise. But the fiber, well-cooked vegetables, the psyllium husk, lots of fluid, that made the biggest impact.

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01:37:32

Okay.

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01:37:33

All right.

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01:37:33

I appreciate it.

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01:37:34

You got it. Thanks for calling in.

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01:37:37

Thank you. I don't sell Justin.

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01:37:41

Number 1,

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01:37:41

I helped you with that. Justin,

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01:37:43

you're real hands on with that. I appreciate that.

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01:37:46

Hey, uh, you know, I tell you, um, with the recruit, this is the analogy I've given before on the show, and I think it's the best analogy to help people understand what I mean by what we talk about when we say recruitment patterns. If You typed on a keyboard with your index fingers for 3 years and you got real fast with it? Because you can get kind of fast, right, with 2 fingers.

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01:38:07

You end up looking like a squirrel.

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Speaker 3

01:38:08

Yeah, but you're just doing this all the time. And then someone comes along and says, hey, you know, if you do it with all your fingers in this particular way, you can be a lot faster. Well initially you're not.

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01:38:18

Initially you're slower that way. And then if you tell someone to go as fast as they can with this new method, they're gonna be like screw that I'm gonna go back to my old method because you're telling me to go fast. But eventually through slow practice and learning this new pattern, you surpass what you could do before. This is exactly what happens with recruitment patterns.

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01:38:37

If you push yourself too hard, your body goes back to what it's good at, and it will avoid trying to learn this new pattern.

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01:38:43

Everything he's talking about is just somebody that just drives full intensity, full blast. I can guarantee it. Yeah.

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01:38:49

Every, and that's what's so hard. It's a such a hard switch to. That's why

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Speaker 3

01:38:54

you don't like what I said it's gonna take.

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Speaker 4

01:38:55

No, I didn't like any of it. Let's be honest and that's fine. You know and it's, but we're not gonna change, you know, the prescription.

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Speaker 4

01:39:02

It is gonna help and gonna benefit And, you know, it's just sometimes you just have to step out and be like, I need to take care of this. I have to like take care of my body and I have to allow this to, you know, fully recover. I have to retrain it. I have to relearn how to use, you know, my shoulder adequately.

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01:39:19

And that takes time.

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01:39:20

Maybe 1 of the hardest people to help virtually that we've had yet. I mean, just really tough to communicate without- It's

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01:39:27

a tough 1 to articulate.

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01:39:28

Yeah, without seeing that person move and then be able to put them in a more advantageous position and then say, feel that. That's what I need you to, you know what I'm saying? Like real hard.

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01:39:38

It's gonna be all

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01:39:39

feel and slow

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01:39:40

and control. Yeah, real hard for us to communicate that with such a unique surgery and all the potential ways that he could be moving well or not well. And then you add in the hemorrhoids on top of that and then like addressing that.

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01:39:54

I mean, that was a, that's a, that's a tough, I mean, I felt like the advice was really good. I just hope that

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01:39:58

I'd tell you if I didn't have, I

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01:40:00

hope it resonates a little, I mean, if anything.

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01:40:02

And if I didn't have experience training, I trained a lot of postpartum women, that was 100% a common thing

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with them.

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01:40:08

That's the only reason why I know what to do there, because I would work with their doctors.

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01:40:11

Yeah, so I hope that he sticks with the trust of process and then also stays in touch with us, because that is a tough 1 to try and to demand virtually.

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Speaker 3

01:40:18

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01:40:32

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