- The difference between an investor pitch and a customer pitch is that the customer is more interested in the solution to their problem, while the investor is more interested in the potential for a big company.
- When pitching to a customer, it is important to use industry jargon, get them to talk about the problem, and show how the solution can help them personally.
- When pitching to an investor, it is important to avoid jargon, use language they can understand, and focus on the business aspects such as market size, revenue model, and team.
- The investor pitch should not be the same as the customer pitch, and should be separate from the website and customer interactions.
- Mass market consumer products may have a similar pitch for both customers and investors, but for most companies, separate pitches are necessary.
- The customer pitch focuses on the product's functionality and how it solves their specific problem, while the investor pitch focuses on the potential for a big business.

Michael Seibel on pitching customers vs pitching investors.

Michael is CEO and a Partner at YC. He was the co-founder and CEO of Justin.tv and Socialcam. 

https://twitter.com/mwseibel

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Chapters (Powered by https://bit.ly/chapterme-yc)
00:00:00 Intro
00:00:04 Difference between investor and customer
00:00:35 Talking to customers
00:01:00 Where to use your customer pitch?
00:01:13 Talking to investor
00:02:53 Where to use your investor pitch?
00:03:20 What investors care about?
00:04:02 What customers care about?
00:05:35 Summary
00:06:00 Outro

Hello, I'm Michael Seibel and partner at Y Combinator.

Today I'd like to talk about the difference between your investor pitch and your customer pitch.

What most founders typically screw up here is that your customer typically knows a lot about the problem that you're trying to solve and is extremely personally interested in the solution that you have.

Whereas the investor might not have the problem that you're trying to solve at all and might be only interested in the solution in so much as they think it can build a big company.

What this means is that the same pitch often doesn't work for these 2 communities.

So when you're talking to a customer, 1 of the ways that you build credibility is that you use jargon, you use the language of the industry.

Another thing that you do is you try to get them to speak a lot about the problem that they have.

You want them to be talking more than you.

And then the third thing is that you try to figure out how the solution can help them personally as soon as possible.

When you think about where to use this customer pitch, it can be on a sales call, it can be on the front page of your website, it can be in your to-do, your help, your FAQ, it can be in user interviews.

A lot of the language is really relevant there.

On the other hand, when you're talking to an investor, unless you're pitching a consumer product that you're pretty sure that they'd want to use, you have to assume that they don't really understand the problem.

In this situation, jargon is actually going to hurt you.

So you want to make sure your pitch is jargon free.

In addition, what you want to do is make sure that you're using language that they can understand.

Oftentimes people will incorporate, you know, flowery language.

Oh, we're building a platform or this is like the first thing ever done.

Marketing language unfortunately is fluff that an investor has to filter out to understand what you really are trying to do.

The best example I give about this is pitching Google.

Imagine if I was pitching Google and I said, oh Google organizes the world's information.

For an investor that's actually not telling them anything.

If they understood what Google did already, then sure, that'd be great.

But if they don't really understand what Google does, that doesn't tell them anything.

It doesn't create any picture in their head.

A much better pitch for Google is to say, Google's a new type of search engine.

With Google, you actually go to our website, you type what you want to know into a search box, you click Enter, and we report in an ordered list websites that we think can help you with the information you're looking for.

What makes Google different is that those websites are ranked by how other websites link to them.

And so those results are way more relevant.

That is something that people can understand, even if they don't use a search engine.

That is something that people can understand when they don't know any of the jargon of your industry.

And so you have to be really, really careful when you're thinking about an investor pitch.

Your investor pitch is probably not something you want to put on your website.

It's probably not something that feels comfortable when you're talking to a customer.

It's something that really is only typically reserved for your pitch deck.

If your front page of your website and your pitch deck are saying the same thing, and you don't have a product where you assume the customer is also a user, a product like Yelp or Uber, you might be doing it wrong.

So an investor pitch, typically what the investor is curious about is 1, what do you do in the simplest language possible?

Just the idea phase, are you building the product?

3, how big of a total addressable market you think you're addressing?

5, what do you think you know about this market that other people or competitors don't understand?

More specifically, do you have the ability to build the product that you are trying to bring to market?

So those things are what the investor is really interested in.

As opposed to the customer, where the customer often doesn't really care about at least half of those things.

The customer certainly cares how much you're charging, and they certainly care about what you're doing.

But they're actually probably far more interested in what the functionality of what you're doing is, what the onboarding process is like, specifically how the pricing applies to them.

Specifically, does it solve their specific problems versus maybe some more general problem?

And So in a customer conversation, you end up getting into a lot of interesting nitty grittiness about the product.

Might be you want to bring up screenshots.

You actually might want to do a live demo.

In an investor conversation, more often than not, you're really getting into the nitty gritty about the business, about how big the market is, whether customers actually want to buy this product, what their demand level is, how many customers there are potentially for this product.

All of those types of things are on the business, unless getting into screenshots and demos and so on and so forth.

Of course there are exceptions on all sides.

I would certainly say that mass market consumer products, the investor pitch looks a little bit more like the customer pitch.

But for most companies that are going through YC, we have to split these up.

We have to teach founders that just going one-to-one, investor pitch, customer pitch, is not the way to do it.

Interestingly enough, it takes them some practice.

Within the first month, YC founders are still trying to figure out how to meld their customer pitch and their investor pitch.

Only after kind of constant trying do we convince them, It's better just to have 2 separate pitches.

So in summary, the customer pitch and the investor pitch are 2 very different things.

The investor is trying to understand can you build a big business?

The customer is trying to understand Does your product solve their specific problem?

Because there are 2 different motivations for these 2 different audiences, most likely you're going to need 2 different pitches.


Speaker 0: Hello, I'm Michael Seibel and partner at Y Combinator. Today I'd like to talk about the difference between your investor pitch and your customer pitch. What most founders typically screw up here is that your customer typically knows a lot about the problem that you're trying to solve and is extremely personally interested in the solution that you have. Whereas the investor might not have the problem that you're trying to solve at all and might be only interested in the solution in so much as they think it can build a big company. What this means is that the same pitch often doesn't work for these 2 communities.

So when you're talking to a customer, 1 of the ways that you build credibility is that you use jargon, you use the language of the industry. Another thing that you do is you try to get them to speak a lot about the problem that they have. You want them to be talking more than you. And then the third thing is that you try to figure out how the solution can help them personally as soon as possible. When you think about where to use this customer pitch, it can be on a sales call, it can be on the front page of your website, it can be in your to-do, your help, your FAQ, it can be in user interviews.

A lot of the language is really relevant there. On the other hand, when you're talking to an investor, unless you're pitching a consumer product that you're pretty sure that they'd want to use, you have to assume that they don't really understand the problem. In this situation, jargon is actually going to hurt you. It's not going to help you. So you want to make sure your pitch is jargon free.

In addition, what you want to do is make sure that you're using language that they can understand. Oftentimes people will incorporate, you know, flowery language. Oh, we're building a platform or this is like the first thing ever done. It's the most unique thing ever. What I call marketing language.

Marketing language unfortunately is fluff that an investor has to filter out to understand what you really are trying to do. The best example I give about this is pitching Google. Imagine if I was pitching Google and I said, oh Google organizes the world's information. For an investor that's actually not telling them anything. If they understood what Google did already, then sure, that'd be great.

But if they don't really understand what Google does, that doesn't tell them anything. It doesn't create any picture in their head. A much better pitch for Google is to say, Google's a new type of search engine. With Google, you actually go to our website, you type what you want to know into a search box, you click Enter, and we report in an ordered list websites that we think can help you with the information you're looking for. What makes Google different is that those websites are ranked by how other websites link to them.

And so those results are way more relevant. That is something that people can understand, even if they don't use a search engine. That is something that people can understand when they don't know any of the jargon of your industry. And so you have to be really, really careful when you're thinking about an investor pitch. Your investor pitch is probably not something you want to put on your website.

It's probably not something that feels comfortable when you're talking to a customer. It's something that really is only typically reserved for your pitch deck. If your front page of your website and your pitch deck are saying the same thing, and you don't have a product where you assume the customer is also a user, a product like Yelp or Uber, you might be doing it wrong. So an investor pitch, typically what the investor is curious about is 1, what do you do in the simplest language possible? 2, how far along are you?

Just the idea phase, are you building the product? Have you launched the product? Do you have customers? Do you have growth? 3, how big of a total addressable market you think you're addressing?

4, how do you plan to charge your users? 5, what do you think you know about this market that other people or competitors don't understand? And 6, who's on your team? Specifically, who are the founders? More specifically, do you have the ability to build the product that you are trying to bring to market?

So those things are what the investor is really interested in. As opposed to the customer, where the customer often doesn't really care about at least half of those things. The customer certainly cares how much you're charging, and they certainly care about what you're doing. But they're actually probably far more interested in what the functionality of what you're doing is, what the onboarding process is like, specifically how the pricing applies to them. Specifically, does it solve their specific problems versus maybe some more general problem?

And So in a customer conversation, you end up getting into a lot of interesting nitty grittiness about the product. Might be you want to bring up screenshots. You actually might want to do a live demo. In an investor conversation, more often than not, you're really getting into the nitty gritty about the business, about how big the market is, whether customers actually want to buy this product, what their demand level is, how many customers there are potentially for this product. All of those types of things are on the business, unless getting into screenshots and demos and so on and so forth.

Of course there are exceptions on all sides. I would certainly say that mass market consumer products, the investor pitch looks a little bit more like the customer pitch. But for most companies that are going through YC, we have to split these up. We have to teach founders that just going one-to-one, investor pitch, customer pitch, is not the way to do it. Interestingly enough, it takes them some practice.

Within the first month, YC founders are still trying to figure out how to meld their customer pitch and their investor pitch. Only after kind of constant trying do we convince them, It's better just to have 2 separate pitches. So in summary, the customer pitch and the investor pitch are 2 very different things. The investor is trying to understand can you build a big business? The customer is trying to understand Does your product solve their specific problem?

Because there are 2 different motivations for these 2 different audiences, most likely you're going to need 2 different pitches. So that's 1 thing that you you

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