- Tim Ferriss interviews Jerry Seinfeld on The Tim Ferriss Show
- Jerry Seinfeld is an entertainment icon known for his comedy career and the TV show Seinfeld
- He has also released stand-up specials and a book called "Is This Anything?"
- The interview covers topics such as creative process, gamifying life, and mastering the mind
- The episode is sponsored by Aura, a wearable device for personalized sleep and health insights, and Rockform, a protective case company for iPhones and Galaxies.

- The Last Laugh delves into the world of comedy, which is a distinct and isolated industry.
- The comedian's writing process involves daily sessions and a focus on the profession of writing.
- The comedian's writing sessions consist of developing ideas and refining them through rewriting.
- The comedian values the feedback and data received from performing on stage.
- The comedian is interested in the systematic approach to creativity and innovation.
- The comedian finds inspiration from observations and dislikes in order to innovate.
- The comedian believes that nurturing a sensitive and cranky nature is important for creativity and avoiding the enemy of success.

- Success is the enemy of irritability and crankiness
- Getting married and having kids helped offset the difficulties of success
- The speaker micromanaged every aspect of their TV series for success
- They stopped the series before it struggled and wanted to give the audience a "lovely gift"
- The Beatles' 9-year career was a model for the speaker's decision to end their series after 9 years
- The speaker's heightened senses contribute to their comedic material
- Lack of discord on the show was attributed to the speaker's proactive approach to conflict resolution
- The speaker's confrontational nature may have been influenced by their search for a working philosophy in life.

- The speaker has developed their own belief system or operating system
- They emphasize the principle of confrontation
- The speaker discusses the importance of setting defined time limits and rewards for tasks, such as writing or exercise
- They encourage accepting mediocrity and putting in a high volume of hours to improve skills
- The speaker recommends waiting 24 hours before discussing writing with others to preserve a sense of accomplishment.

- The key to being a good writer is to switch between nurturing and harshly critiquing your work
- Stand-up comedians receive constant and accurate feedback from the audience
- The feeling of getting feedback is described as a state of mind that is like math and music
- Routine, exercise, weight training, and transcendental meditation are important for managing energy and concentration fatigue
- Weight training is done three times a week for an hour, and transcendental meditation is done at least twice a day

- The speaker discusses the challenges of balancing the overwhelming forces within humanity and the need to push oneself to do difficult tasks.
- Writing is described as one of the most difficult things in the world, and the importance of encouraging oneself and treating oneself well for accomplishing it is emphasized.
- The speaker acknowledges struggling with depression but finds respite in writing and weight training.
- Chemical interventions for depression are viewed cautiously, and other remedies such as exercise are considered more effective.
- Depression is seen as an annoyance rather than a creative source.
- The speaker shares a personal experience of failure in the comedy industry and how it fueled their determination to succeed.

- Tim Ferriss interviews Jerry Seinfeld on The Tim Ferriss Show
- Jerry Seinfeld is a comedy icon known for his career and TV show Seinfeld
- The interview covers topics like creative process, gamifying life, and mastering the mind
- Seinfeld's writing process involves daily sessions and refining ideas through rewriting
- He values feedback from performing on stage and finds inspiration from observations and dislikes
- Success and marriage/kids helped offset difficulties, and he micromanaged his TV series for success
- He ended the series after 9 years, influenced by The Beatles' career
- Seinfeld emphasizes confrontation and setting time limits and rewards for tasks
- Routine, exercise, and meditation are important for managing energy and concentration fatigue
- Writing is described as difficult but rewarding, and exercise is seen as a remedy for depression
- Seinfeld shares a personal experience of failure that fueled his determination to succeed.

- The speaker discusses the importance of being tough and not letting others stop you
- They share a story about Alexis Ohanian and how he responded to a Yahoo executive's dismissive comment
- The speaker talks about the significance of appearing on The Tonight Show as a comedian
- They mention their admiration for athletes and the adrenaline rush of performing on stage
- The speaker reflects on their interactions with Mitzi Schor and their desire for independence in the comedy world
- They discuss the toxic and self-correcting nature of the comedy industry
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of self-sufficiency and building a strong constitution
- They mention the role of weight training in maintaining physical performance and cheating biology
- The speaker finds humor and enjoyment in defying expectations and treating life as a game
- They give an example of gamifying weight training to improve performance.

- The speaker discusses the importance of exertion and not scoring oneself creatively
- They share a story about performing stand-up comedy and the value of trying even if it's not perfect
- The speaker believes survival is the new success in their industry
- They talk about the challenges and attrition in stand-up comedy and the need for longevity
- The speaker sees their profession as a game where they need to beat the system
- They mention a book about the difficulties of sustaining a career in stand-up comedy
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of survival and figuring things out on one's own
- They mention their focus on younger individuals and their own sense of being left behind at 43 years old
- The speaker ends by saying that survival is the new success and they need to go do some interval training and eat lentils

- Jerry Seinfeld recalls teaching a comedy course in the 80s and emphasizing the importance of hard work.
- He discusses his new book, "Is This Anything," which showcases his best work over five decades.
- The interviewer praises Seinfeld's systematic approach to his craft and recommends the book for anyone interested in the creative process.
- Seinfeld expresses gratitude for the kind words and the opportunity to speak with the interviewer.
- The episode concludes with promotional information and discount offers for other products.

- The speaker emphasizes the importance of being tough and not letting others stop you.
- They share a story about Alexis Ohanian's response to a dismissive comment.
- The speaker discusses the significance of appearing on The Tonight Show as a comedian.
- They reflect on interactions with Mitzi Schor and their desire for independence in the comedy world.
- The toxic and self-correcting nature of the comedy industry is discussed.
- The speaker emphasizes self-sufficiency and building a strong constitution.
- Weight training is mentioned as a way to maintain physical performance and cheat biology.
- The speaker finds humor in defying expectations and treating life as a game.
- Gamifying weight training is given as an example to improve performance.
- The importance of exertion and not scoring oneself creatively is discussed.
- The challenges and attrition in stand-up comedy are mentioned, emphasizing the need for longevity.
- The speaker sees their profession as a game where they need to beat the system.
- The importance of survival and figuring things out on one's own is emphasized.
- The speaker mentions their focus on younger individuals and feeling left behind at 43 years old.
- Jerry Seinfeld discusses his new book and his systematic approach to his craft.
- The interviewer praises Seinfeld's book and his creative process.
- Seinfeld expresses gratitude for the opportunity to speak with the interviewer.

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Entertainment icon Jerry Seinfeld’s (@jerryseinfeld) comedy career took off after his first appearance on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson in 1981. Eight years later, he teamed up with fellow comedian Larry David to create what was to become the most successful comedy series in the history of television: Seinfeld. The show ran on NBC for nine seasons, winning numerous Emmy, Golden Globe, and People’s Choice awards, and was named the greatest television show of all time in 2009 by TV Guide and in 2012 was identified as the best sitcom ever in a 60 Minutes/Vanity Fair poll.

Seinfeld made his Netflix debut with the original stand-up special Jerry Before Seinfeld along with his Emmy-nominated and critically acclaimed web series Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, which has garnered over 100 million views and which The New York Times describes as “impressively complex and artful” and Variety calls “a game-changer.” His latest stand-up special, 23 Hours To Kill, was released by Netflix earlier this year.

He is also the author of Is This Anything?, which features his best work across five decades in comedy.

Please enjoy!

00:00 Start
07:35 Childhood and The Last Laugh by Phil Berger
11:41 On writing
18:42 The real wellspring of ideas
21:05 Steering Seinfeld for nine seasons
24:51 On stepping away from massive success
26:01 Irritability as inspiration 
28:23 Harmony and the cast of Seinfeld
32:17 The importance of systems
36:23 If he taught a class on writing
38:43 On feedback
42:29 On self-rewards
47:49 Other routines
52:27 Pain is knowledge filling a void at great speed
53:56 On the allure of depression
56:24 Favorite failures
01:01:14 Writing three days a week vs. writing seven
01:03:00 The Tonight Show: the first appearance
01:03:13 Mitzi Shore of The Comedy Store
01:06:40 Self-sufficiency and gamification
01:14:22 Survival as the new success
01:20:21 Jerry’s billboard

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Well, hello, boys and girls, lemurs and squirrels.

This is Tim Ferriss, and welcome to another episode of The Tim Ferriss Show.

This episode was just a blast, and part of me still doesn't believe that it happened.

Of course, my job is to interview and deconstruct world-class performers of all different types, of all different stripes, from all different fields.

And my guest for this episode is none other than the icon, Jerry Seinfeld.

Entertainment icon Jerry Seinfeld's comedy career took off after his first appearance on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson in 1981.

8 years later, he teamed up with fellow comedian Larry David to create what was to become the most successful comedy series in the history of television, Seinfeld.

The show ran on NBC for 9 seasons, winning numerous Emmy, Golden Globe, and People's Choice Awards, and was named the greatest television show of all time in 2009 by TV Guide, and in 2012 was identified as the best sitcom ever in a 60 Minutes Vanity Fair Poll.

Seinfeld made his Netflix debut with the original stand-up special Jerry Before Seinfeld, along with his Emmy-nominated and critically acclaimed web series Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee, which has garnered more than 100 million views, and which the New York Times describes as impressively complex and artful and Variety calls a game changer.

His latest standup special, 23 Hours to Kill, was released by Netflix earlier this year.

He's also the author of Is This Anything?

It's a question with a question mark at the end, which is a brand new book and features his best work across 5 decades In comedy it is a collection of his notes his journaling and certainly his process You can find him on twitter at Jerry Seinfeld Instagram at Jerry Seinfeld Facebook at Jerry Seinfeld And if you have interest in creative process, gamifying life, mastering the mind, comedy, habits and systems of someone who can operate at the top of their field for decades, this conversation touches all of those things.

Please enjoy a wide ranging conversation with none other than Jerry Seinfeld.

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And I thought we would start with the beginning of Is This Anything?

And in the, I suppose you could call it the introduction to the preface, another book pops up, which is The Last Laugh by Phil Berger.

And I would love to just know how that book entered your life.

I really don't know, but I still have it.

I have the copy that I bought wherever I found it.

I mean, I was in high school and I did the absolute minimum you could do to survive.

In high school, I never read anything outside of high school except magazines, car magazines, comic books, and Esquire.

know, in those years, early, early 70s, Esquire was really full of character and about encouraging male boldness and inventiveness in lifestyle and just life in general.

You know, they were very sophisticated and it was everything I wanted to be.

I wanted to be urban and I wanted to be smart and smarter than I was.

And I wanted to have like this cool, adventurous life.

I don't think there's anything like that around today.

And the same with that book, The Last Laugh.

It was just like whatever made Men in centuries past become explorers, you know, I don't know how they became that I guess I remember reading about explorers clubs like in 17th 18th century London, you know, I have 2 sons and a daughter and That's that's the thing.

I really wanted if I could pass along the 2 things I would want to pass along would be ethics and boldness in life.

But that doesn't answer your question of where I got the book.

It's really the context that you're providing.

And just as a quick side note, a friend of mine, Cal Fussman, used to write the What I've Learned interview series in Esquire back when it had that, back when it had, and maybe still does on some level, that character that you're describing, that boldness.

What was it inside The Last Laugh that grabbed you so much?

Yeah, so if I look back at my whole life, starting about like second or third grade, it was all this inexorable march towards this pursuit of the comedy arts.

Albert Brooks did a album, or did an article in Esquire called School for Comedians, and it was a parody.

You know, because he grew up in LA, and he was making fun of what comedians might need to learn to be comedians.

And that was an early 70s Esquire article and I had no idea it was a parody.

I mean, I just thought, oh, there's a school or I just wanted to learn about this world.

And The Last Laugh really took you deeply into the world.

And it is a completely hermetically sealed world that is frankly unrelated to the rest of the entertainment industry.

And it's really unrelated to almost all other creative arts.

It is a very sealed ecosystem, the world of comedy, particularly stand-up comedy.

And I was desperately thirsty for any scrap of data about it.

Now you have, much like an Olympic athlete of sorts, with training logs and workouts and so on.

You have 45 years of hacking away, as it's put in the book's description, on yellow notepads and so on.

And I'd love to speak, or to hear you speak more accurately, a bit about your writing process.

And the preparation that I did for this, I read in the New York Times, and I'm just gonna read this short bit.

You can fact correct this if need be, but here's how it reads.

I still have a writing session every day.

It's another thing that organizes your mind.

The coffee goes here, the pad goes here, the notes go here.

My writing technique is just, you can't do anything else.

You don't have to write, but you can't do anything else.

I would love to hear you elaborate on that because it actually sounds very similar to what the fiction writer Neil Gaiman has as his first book of writing as well.

And what do your writing sessions tend to look like if we look back over the last, I don't know, 10 years?

It changes the coffee, which I didn't know about coffee in my younger years.

I think I discovered coffee after I had kids and I didn't have time to have long meals with my friends anymore, but we could meet for coffee.

And then I realized, boy, this coffee really gets you talking.

And I thought, maybe I'll do a show where you just talk with coffee.

And that's kind of where that came from, the Comedians in Cars show.

But my writing sessions used to be very arduous, very painful, pushing against the wind in soft, muddy ground with like a wheelbarrow full of bricks And I had to do it because there's just, as I mentioned in the book, you either learn to do that or you will die in the ecosystem.

And I learned that really fast and really young.

And that saved my life and made my career.

That I grasped the essential principle of survival in comedy really young.

And that principle is you learn to be a writer.

However you do it, you can do it any way you want, but if you don't learn to do it in some form, you will not survive.

And when you sit down, is it an empty page?

Is it bits and pieces that you've noted through the week as observations that you then flesh out?

What is actually in front of you when you start?

What's in front of me is usually about 15 or 20 pages of stuff that's in various states of development.

And then there's a smaller book of just really, really random things, like when you're on a cell phone call and the call drops and then you reconnect with the person, they'll go, I don't know what happened there.

As if anyone is expecting them to know anything about the incredibly complex technology of a cell phone.

They offer this little, I don't know, as an excuse or an apology, they go, I don't know what happened there.

So that's an example of something in that my little, little tiny notebook that I don't know what to do with that, but it's just so stupid to me and funny.

So that to me is like a, It's like an archery target 50 yards away.

And then I take out my bow and my arrow and I go, let me see if I can hit that.

Let me see if I can create something that I could say to a room full of humans in a nightclub that will make them see what I see in that.

There's something stupid and funny about that to me.

It'll be, if I'm lucky, it'll be a half a page or a page on a yellow legal pad, and I'll write that.

And then in the session the next day, if I get around to it, I will see it again and I will see what I have and what I like and I don't like.

And as any writer can tell you, it's 95% rewrite.

There is the free play creative phase, And then there is the polish and construction phase of, and I love to spend inordinate, I mean, it's not wasteful to me because that's just what I like to do, amounts of time refining and perfecting every single word of it until it has this pleasing flow to my ear.

And then it becomes something that I can't wait to say.

And then we go from there to the stage with it.

And then from the stage, the audience will then, I imagine, you know, it's a very scientific thing to me.

And you run the experiment, and then the audience just dumps a bunch of data on you of this is good, this is okay, this is very good, this is terrible.

And that goes into my brain from performing it on stage, and then it's back through the rewrite process, and then new ideas will come.

And it's, you know, it's just millions of different kinds of development.

It's just that, so you're just trying to get your, you're just going to that place of creating, fixing, jettisoning, it's extremely occupying.

It's the frustration I'm so used to at this point, I don't even notice it.

It's just work time, which, and that's my...

I like the way athletes talk about, I got to get my work in, that you get your work in.

1 of the reasons I was looking forward to doing this show with you is I know that it's something you are very interested in.

Yeah, The systemization of the brain and creative endeavor.

I really think when I'm working, it's very much like when you're watching a picture working on stage.

It's the desk and then the stage, and then back to the desk, and then back to the stage, and that's endless.

The process and the repeatable process, the experimentation like you phrased it, is extremely interesting to me.

And if we took or take that cell phone example, the dropping of reception, that's an observation.

It seems to me that you are a real connoisseur of questions, whether those questions are being used as part of a bit or possibly as prompts.

And you mentioned the coffee in part leading to comedians in cars.

In a Harvard Business Review interview, You also mentioned that it's important to know what you don't like.

A big part of innovation is saying, you know what I'm really sick of?

And for you, that was talk shows where the music plays, somebody walks out to a desk, shakes hands with the host, sits down.

And what am I really sick of being a departure point for innovation?

I would love to hear about any questions, if there are questions, that you use as prompts to help elicit observation or materials for yourself.

No, no, That part is somewhat having a very cranky nature and being a sensitive kind of, I don't know if it's perception, but you're just provoked by a lot of things.

And that, if you're lucky enough to have that, the next thing you must do is nurture and protect it and never lose it.

Success is the enemy of irritability and crankiness because now you have money and you can remove the difficulties from your life and that's not good.

Because you've had, certainly, I would imagine, you've had to do things to offset, in that case, the creature comforts and so on that come along with the amount of success that you've

The thing I did that really solved almost all of that issue is I got married.

You'll never run out if you get married, and if you have kids, then you've got a goldmine.

You mentioned just a few minutes ago about wordsmithing until you get everything pleasing to the ear and really obsessing over the prose.

I've read that 1 of your explanations for the success of all of your television was that quote, the show was successful because I micromanaged it.

Every word, every line, every take, every edit, every casting.

And then later on, if you're efficient, you're doing it the wrong way.

There are a lot of questions I could ask about this, but I suppose 1 is, if you were, for such a period of time, I understand the logic of it, but for such a long period of time, obsessing over the details like that, did you not find yourself at risk of burnout or just hitting a point of overwhelm, or did that not happen to you?

The series is a, you know, if you want to look at the comedy arts is the only thing that interests me creatively, I think, or the only thing I'm any good at.

But if I look at the different comedy arts, if I was to break it down, let's just say into like basics of standup comedy, a television series or a movie.

I would analogize those 2 different vessels on the water.

So a TV series is like a pretty big boat that you can run with a couple of people.

Everybody thinks it's the ultimate way to go across the water.

It's just you, you paddle out, and you try and catch the energy, and you're all on your own.

And You can do it and go home and nobody but you really even knows what happened I think the more people you add to the the vessel the Faster you're going to struggle to maintain Its progress through the water for sure the TV series got to a point, we did it 9 years, and the way I was doing it, that was as far as it could go before it was really going to stop cutting through the water in that beautiful way that it was doing.

That's why I pulled out of it before I had to, before anyone wanted me to, because I didn't want to be on a boat that was starting to struggle.

And even more than that, I didn't want the audience to have that experience.

I wanted to complete this gift to them in a way that they would always go, I was given a lovely thing 1 time in the nineties and it was just lovely.

I wanted them to have it like that no excuses no if only is no it.

Did go on a bit maybe longer than it should have I didn't wanna I just wanted them to have this lovely gift.

I could also describe the TV series to you as a weather event that has an energy that gathers and becomes cyclonic, but every storm blows itself out.

And that storm was about to run out of energy, and so was I.

It's the same thing because I was at the center of the storm and I could feel the slowing of the cyclonic curve, the funnel.

Is that something that you had a role model for?

Because it's very rare for someone to step out like Rocky Marciano.

Usually they go a bit too far, they get slapped around a bit, or they end up signing baseball mitts at Caesar's Palace or whatever it is.

Was that something you decided entirely on your own?

The closest I had, and I would never compare myself in any way, shape or form, was the Beatles.

The time frame of the Beatles was 9 years.

We had no discord on my show like they struggled with, But the portion size of the Beatles just felt so right to me.

And I thought that and they were together about 9 years and we were together about 9 years.

And there was something about adding that other digit to go to 10.

You know, like if people said to me, how long did you do that series for?

And if I said 10 years, I could just hear people go, wow, 10 years, just the portion size just felt too big.

Is the, you mentioned, I guess, irritation as a wellspring of comedic material.

Is it irritation or is it sensitivity in the connotation of a very sensitive scale where you're just perceiving more.

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