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Somehow, in India, if you want a job, there is only 1 exam and there is only 1 pattern of conducting an exam.

India is a diverse country, everyone has a different background.

Somehow, when there is 1 exam, it is a marathon race.

Everyone thinks that they are starting from the same place, but they are not.

There is caste, There is class, there is gender, there is also about social upbringing Like where were you born, what is your social background, what do people around you say, what do they think And along with this question, I have a question for you How is it that the tribal community in India Somehow, because of their way of life somehow they are not able to participate in this race properly in the sense that their way of life is not accustomed to this that they don't train you for this exam so I want you to answer this question and also think that the tribal communities in India somehow they don't sit properly for this exam I mean for this pattern

I think I broadly agree with the spirit of the question.

I would only disagree with the use of the word Adivasi that was coined by the missionaries and the British to perpetuate the Aryan invasion theory myth.

I will never support it because Adivasi and Mulyavasi effectively means that there is a fundamental difference between all these groups.

I would genuinely believe, and I'm not putting you on the spot, a genuine belief is that you're more informed and smarter than at the very least the above average politician in this country.

What is the way to accommodate this diversity according to you?

And that too, for a country of the scale of Bharat, how will you do this?

If your reservation solution is successful,

Let me try and perhaps address this question differently.

I don't have a direct answer, but I get that reservation…

Feel free to spitball and come up with suggestions, no problem.

So, you find reservations problematic and questionable.

But I would like to see a solution that will make those who have left behind get more The output should be better

You have told us the expectations of the solution

I don't have a proper solution But I would like to say that the selection process

on just 1 parameter That there should not be just 1 exam I mean, there should not be just 1 selection on 1 exam Somehow you have to see where the candidate is coming from.

It is not necessary that the person who runs for 1 km is not capable of doing anything.

Maybe his circumstances made him capable of running for 1 km.

Somehow we have to see how much is running and also see where is he coming from.

I think there should be exams in different patterns.

we keep different exams on the basis of parents' salary?

Yes Exam for middle class Exam for upper middle class

you where the problem is Just consider this

for a moment I come from a low middle class Tambaram family.

So feel free to hurl all sorts of labels at me, which has known nothing beyond mechanical engineering until my generation.

Engineering may be only mechanical engineering, literally nuts and bolts.

When I made the transition to law, In my profession, I have to compete with people whose fathers and mothers are judges or bureaucrats.

I come from the Andhra State Board, not the CBSC.

There's a very clear distinction in the English skills, social grooming skills, social graces, the social stata of both these groups in Hyderabad.

Okay, state syllabus and CBSE are very different categories altogether.

From localities, you can identify, kaun kis school mein padte hai, aur kaunse board mein padte hai.

Plus, if you happen to have a father who is in the profession, the legal profession, you will get 3 benefits or mother for that matter, why be patriarchal?

So 1 is a legal library, which is bloody expensive.

Medical books and law books are very expensive because they function on high margins of sale because the volume of sale is less.

Several books are 1 and a half lakhs or 2 lakhs and they must be barely 300 pages or 400 pages.

Then an established set of clients from your parent, whichever parent it is, assuming that both parents are heterosexual or maybe it's a non-heterosexual group, okay, so when that happens I have 2 options.

And that these are the cards that life has dealt.

You have an Irrfan Khan and you have Jitendra Asad.

I am saying, inevitably, those who come without any kind of support system, end up developing a certain reed ki haddi and a reality check on a regular basis that holds them in good stead in the long run.

I am not saying we can't do better and in so far as the system is concerned But I will never agree with a system that pampers the society, that protects you from the hard blows of life.

You will protect lallus and bubblus and pappus.

No, no, it's not a jive at any politician or youth I know.

I'm genuinely saying this, that I think This is 1 of the consequences of the socialist argument of equality of outcomes.

You are hoping to somehow equalize outcomes.

And you are also saying even if a particular opportunity is presented to 6 different people, since they come from 6 different backgrounds, it's not equality of opportunity.

Recalibrate their entire lives before they got that opportunity?

Or can you be absolutely sure how they'll use the opportunity after it's been given to them.

I think you're playing too much with the element of chance and with the element of probability, which is what I think defines life significantly.

At least 60% of your success is not attributable to your talent.

It is attributable to the opportunity, the stroke of luck, or somebody just seeing you and saying, okay, let's give this person a chance.

It is going to produce a set of yellow bellied weak people who constantly expect to be protected from competition and competition will never be fair, it will never be equal.

If that is the kind of expectation from, let's say your society in terms of internal competition, you will lose to China.

Global realities are not going to deal with this.

So what is the next level of this argument?

We are inching towards it thanks to what has been said in the EWS judgement.

I am someone who has spoken partially in favour of why reservations can continue for a certain period of time until there is a replacement and I have given certain replacements.

At least I have presented them as proposals.

My point is, this will gradually move towards, see how the argument will crystallize, let's accommodate for people who come from backgrounds which are non-English speaking.

backgrounds which are non-English speaking.

Let's accommodate for people who come from low middle class backgrounds.

Let's accommodate people who come from a rich background, but who don't come from an educated background because rich is not the same as being educated.

How many permutations and combinations are you going to account for in this?

What kind of triangulation are you going to resort to?

I'm not a sadist, but that pain is what translates to your ability to deal with certain situations.

That the trial by fire and the rite of passage is a part of growing up.

The industry, no matter how much you equalize, will find a way to accommodate the blessed word that Delhi worships, Jugad.

Aap isko eliminate kahi nahi paayenge, kyunki kisi na kisi ka kisi ke saath koi relationship hoga.

Because everybody who gets out of the car here says, jaanta hoon mai kaun hoon.

How many jaanta hoon mai kaun hoon will you accommodate?

It may be circular, but it may be circular in concentric circles.

That means there is a hierarchy even there, whether you like it or not.

Don't shield yourself from hard realities of life because when you do it, 3 things, at the very least, 2 things are going to be affected.

The overall quality of people that you produce as a society is going down and the overall quality of professionals will also go down.

So I would say try and make the system more, let's say, robust from a human intervention perspective, ki iske saath koi bahar se chher chhar nahi karega.

Which is to say that Jugaad will not work beyond a point.

I am okay with privilege working, I am not okay with jugada working.

Which means what you have inherited by way of a certain family or because of the circumstances that you have been born in a certain family, that can't be reset.

But when I deserve to get that opportunity and the final stage somebody chooses to take it away because there is a jugada connection working somewhere, perhaps that can be reduced or eliminated to some extent.

Beyond that, I don't think it's possible to do so much.

And in a country like India, how much are you going to do like this?


Speaker 0: My question is about merit, the idea of

Speaker 1: merit. Somehow, in India, if you want a job, there is only 1 exam and there is only 1 pattern of conducting an exam. India is a diverse country, everyone has a different background. Somehow, when there is 1 exam, it is a marathon race. Everyone thinks that they are starting from the same place, but they are not.

There is caste, There is class, there is gender, there is also about social upbringing Like where were you born, what is your social background, what do people around you say, what do they think And along with this question, I have a question for you How is it that the tribal community in India Somehow, because of their way of life somehow they are not able to participate in this race properly in the sense that their way of life is not accustomed to this that they don't train you for this exam so I want you to answer this question and also think that the tribal communities in India somehow they don't sit properly for this exam I mean for this pattern

Speaker 2: I think I broadly agree with the spirit of the question. I would only disagree with the use of the word Adivasi that was coined by the missionaries and the British to perpetuate the Aryan invasion theory myth. I will never support it because Adivasi and Mulyavasi effectively means that there is a fundamental difference between all these groups. That's where I stand on that issue. Okay, why don't you give the mic to him?

Speaker 3: I'd like to discuss with him, please.

Speaker 2: I would genuinely believe, and I'm not putting you on the spot, a genuine belief is that you're more informed and smarter than at the very least the above average politician in this country. Fair enough?

Speaker 1: Thank you for that.

Speaker 3: Thank you. What is the way to accommodate this diversity according to you? Please explain to me.

Speaker 2: And that too, for a country of the scale of Bharat, how will you do this? If your reservation solution is successful,

Speaker 3: then you

Speaker 2: see where the conversation will go. Let me try and perhaps address this question differently. Do you have an answer to the question?

Speaker 3: Yes sir.

Speaker 1: Okay, tell me. I don't have a direct answer, but I get that reservation…

Speaker 2: Feel free to spitball and come up with suggestions, no problem.

Speaker 3: Go

Speaker 1: ahead. So, you find reservations problematic and questionable. But I would like to see a solution that will make those who have left behind get more The output should be better

Speaker 2: You have told us the expectations of the solution

Speaker 1: I don't have a proper solution But I would like to say that the selection process

Speaker 2: should not be based

Speaker 1: on just 1 parameter That there should not be just 1 exam I mean, there should not be just 1 selection on 1 exam Somehow you have to see where the candidate is coming from. It is not necessary that the person who runs for 1 km is not capable of doing anything. Maybe his circumstances made him capable of running for 1 km. Somehow we have to see how much is running and also see where is he coming from. So we can factor that in and select.

I think there should be exams in different patterns. There should be 1 exam for UPC. There should be 4 UPCs. So should

Speaker 2: we keep different exams on the basis of parents' salary? Yes Exam for middle class Exam for upper middle class

Speaker 1: Exam for Savarnas

Speaker 2: Can we do that? I will tell

Speaker 3: you where the problem is Just consider this

Speaker 2: for a moment I come from a low middle class Tambaram family. So feel free to hurl all sorts of labels at me, which has known nothing beyond mechanical engineering until my generation. Engineering may be only mechanical engineering, literally nuts and bolts. Okay. When I made the transition to law, In my profession, I have to compete with people whose fathers and mothers are judges or bureaucrats.

I come from the Andhra State Board, not the CBSC. There's a very clear distinction in the English skills, social grooming skills, social graces, the social stata of both these groups in Hyderabad. Okay, state syllabus and CBSE are very different categories altogether. From localities, you can identify, kaun kis school mein padte hai, aur kaunse board mein padte hai. Okay, you can identify all of that.

Plus, if you happen to have a father who is in the profession, the legal profession, you will get 3 benefits or mother for that matter, why be patriarchal? So 1 is a legal library, which is bloody expensive. Medical books and law books are very expensive because they function on high margins of sale because the volume of sale is less. Several books are 1 and a half lakhs or 2 lakhs and they must be barely 300 pages or 400 pages. So that's a library.

Second, an office space. Okay. Then an established set of clients from your parent, whichever parent it is, assuming that both parents are heterosexual or maybe it's a non-heterosexual group, okay, so when that happens I have 2 options. Keep crying in the system. Okay.

I can do that. Or take unfairness as a reality of life. And that these are the cards that life has dealt. And no matter what. You want a standing example?

You have an Irrfan Khan and you have Jitendra Asad. Okay? I don't even know that poor boy's name. Okay. I am saying, inevitably, those who come without any kind of support system, end up developing a certain reed ki haddi and a reality check on a regular basis that holds them in good stead in the long run.

I am not saying we can't do better and in so far as the system is concerned But I will never agree with a system that pampers the society, that protects you from the hard blows of life. You will protect lallus and bubblus and pappus. No, no, it's not a jive at any politician or youth I know. I'm genuinely saying this, that I think This is 1 of the consequences of the socialist argument of equality of outcomes. You are hoping to somehow equalize outcomes.

And you are also saying even if a particular opportunity is presented to 6 different people, since they come from 6 different backgrounds, it's not equality of opportunity. What are you going to do? Recalibrate their entire lives before they got that opportunity? Or can you be absolutely sure how they'll use the opportunity after it's been given to them. I think you're playing too much with the element of chance and with the element of probability, which is what I think defines life significantly.

At least 60% of your success is not attributable to your talent. It is attributable to the opportunity, the stroke of luck, or somebody just seeing you and saying, okay, let's give this person a chance. How much are you going to equalize? It is going to produce a set of yellow bellied weak people who constantly expect to be protected from competition and competition will never be fair, it will never be equal. If that is the kind of expectation from, let's say your society in terms of internal competition, you will lose to China.

Global realities are not going to deal with this. So what is the next level of this argument? Reservation of the private sector? That's the only space left. That's the only space left.

We are inching towards it thanks to what has been said in the EWS judgement. I am someone who has spoken partially in favour of why reservations can continue for a certain period of time until there is a replacement and I have given certain replacements. At least I have presented them as proposals. My point is, this will gradually move towards, see how the argument will crystallize, let's accommodate for people who come from backgrounds which are non-English speaking. Let's accommodate for

Speaker 3: people who come from

Speaker 2: backgrounds which are non-English speaking. Let's accommodate for people who come from low middle class backgrounds. Let's accommodate people who come from a rich background, but who don't come from an educated background because rich is not the same as being educated. How many permutations and combinations are you going to account for in this? What kind of triangulation are you going to resort to?

Don't encourage this. It's important to go through that pain. I'm not a sadist, but that pain is what translates to your ability to deal with certain situations. That the trial by fire and the rite of passage is a part of growing up. The industry, no matter how much you equalize, will find a way to accommodate the blessed word that Delhi worships, Jugad.

Aap isko eliminate kahi nahi paayenge, kyunki kisi na kisi ka kisi ke saath koi relationship hoga. Because everybody who gets out of the car here says, jaanta hoon mai kaun hoon. How many jaanta hoon mai kaun hoon will you accommodate? Right? Realize that nature is not horizontal.

Nature has a chain. It may not be strictly vertical. It may be circular, but it may be circular in concentric circles. That means there is a hierarchy even there, whether you like it or not. Don't shield yourself from hard realities of life because when you do it, 3 things, at the very least, 2 things are going to be affected.

The overall quality of people that you produce as a society is going down and the overall quality of professionals will also go down. So I would say try and make the system more, let's say, robust from a human intervention perspective, ki iske saath koi bahar se chher chhar nahi karega. At least give me that. Which is to say that Jugaad will not work beyond a point. I am okay with privilege working, I am not okay with jugada working.

There is a difference between the 2. Which means what you have inherited by way of a certain family or because of the circumstances that you have been born in a certain family, that can't be reset. But when I deserve to get that opportunity and the final stage somebody chooses to take it away because there is a jugada connection working somewhere, perhaps that can be reduced or eliminated to some extent. Beyond that, I don't think it's possible to do so much. And in a country like India, how much are you going to do like this?

How many layers are you going to create? How many slices are

Speaker 3: you

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