- Matthew McConaughey discusses love and the lessons he learned from his parents' complicated relationship
- He emphasizes that love is messy, takes work, and requires communication and reconciliation
- McConaughey believes that as a parent, showing love to your children is the most important thing
- He reflects on how his parents' clashes demonstrated the passion underlying their love
- McConaughey shares a childhood memory that taught him the importance of focusing on the present and taking things one step at a time
- He discusses the tension between being a dreamer and a pragmatist, and believes that both perspectives are necessary for a fulfilling life.

- The speaker discusses the balance between pursuing dreams and being pragmatic.
- They mention how loved ones can sometimes discourage dreams out of concern for stability and safety.
- The speaker reflects on their own experience of pursuing a career in acting and how their father supported them.
- They discuss the importance of being involved in the present moment rather than being overly impressed or reverent.
- The speaker shares a dream they had after their father's death, which made them realize they needed to take more risks and own up to their potential.
- They discuss how death is not something they fear, but they do visualize it and find beauty in the idea of returning to nature as part of the food chain.
- The speaker admits to missing their father and thinking about him often, particularly when working on creative projects.

- The speaker reflects on his father's love for movies and creativity
- He shares memories of his father and how he influenced him
- The speaker discusses the challenge of holding onto the past while evolving and growing
- Losing his father made him realize the importance of looking back and acknowledging his past
- The speaker talks about the gift of being alone and the courage to face pain and loss
- There is no trick to seeing the gift in pain, but it's important to deeply feel it without wallowing in it
- The speaker discusses the value of denial and the importance of accepting the inevitable
- Once something is inevitable, it's important to get relative and find the gift in it
- The speaker believes in honoring his father's legacy by becoming more like him
- The value of denial is questioned.

- The speaker discusses the value of denial, using his mother as an example
- He mentions that many people are hung up on past events, preventing them from moving forward in life
- The speaker questions the value of therapy and prescriptions if they are not helping individuals overcome their past
- He suggests that denying the past can be a powerful tool for moving forward and achieving goals
- The speaker shares his mother's experience of finding love again after his father's death, showing that denial can be a positive force
- He talks about contradictions and how embracing them can lead to a more fulfilling life
- The speaker discusses the difference between engineered green lights (reason) and mystical green lights (rhyme) in life
- He emphasizes the importance of preparation and delayed gratification in achieving goals.

- Success can be engineered through habits, work ethic, and education
- Mystical moments can also play a significant role in success, but they often only make sense in hindsight
- It's important to find a balance between chasing engineering and embracing the mystical
- Success differs from person to person, with some leaning more towards the mystical and others towards engineering
- Trust and courage are needed to follow the mystical path and go with gut feelings
- Noticing and embracing the magic in life can lead to fulfillment and gratitude
- Non-negotiable principles, such as integrity and loyalty, provide a foundation for freedom to follow feelings.

- The speaker values kindness, empathy, and the capacity for good and evil in all people
- They appreciate the diversity of humans and the dynamic between masculine and feminine energies
- The speaker believes in taking risks and going on spontaneous adventures before settling down
- A trip to the Amazon changed the speaker's perspective and taught them to let go of attachments and live in the present moment
- The Amazon is described as a place of constant change and diversity, where humans are still connected to nature
- The speaker believes it is arrogant to think that humans are separate from nature and that we should respect natural laws

- Max Tegmark at MIT constructed a simulation of a nuclear war, showing that many humans would die from starvation rather than the initial explosion.
- Despite the high death toll, life on Earth would find a way to adapt and survive.
- AI systems, like large language models, can reflect the collective intelligence and biases of humans.
- AI has the potential to add to human connection and provide meaningful friendships.
- AI can also be used for harmful purposes, such as creating false narratives and manipulating people.
- AI is a prompt that relies on the questions we ask it, and it gives patterns based on the information we provide.
- The art of life lies in prompting each other through conversation, and AI can enhance this process.
- AI's tirelessness and ability to retain information raise questions about forgiveness.

- Matthew McConaughey discusses love and the lessons he learned from his parents' complicated relationship.
- Love is messy, takes work, and requires communication and reconciliation.
- Showing love to your children is the most important thing as a parent.
- McConaughey reflects on the passion underlying his parents' love and the importance of focusing on the present.
- There is a tension between being a dreamer and a pragmatist, both perspectives are necessary for a fulfilling life.
- The speaker reflects on their own experience of pursuing a career in acting and the importance of being involved in the present moment.
- They discuss the beauty of death and returning to nature as part of the food chain.
- The speaker reflects on their father's love for movies and creativity and how he influenced them.
- Holding onto the past while evolving and growing is a challenge.
- The speaker talks about the gift of being alone and the courage to face pain and loss.
- Denial and accepting the inevitable are discussed, as well as the value of denial.
- The speaker believes in honoring his father's legacy and questions the value of therapy and prescriptions.
- Contradictions can lead to a more fulfilling life and success can be engineered or mystical.
- Trust and courage are needed to follow the mystical path.
- Non-negotiable principles provide a foundation for freedom.
- The speaker values kindness, empathy, and the capacity for good and evil in all people.
- Taking risks and going on spontaneous adventures are encouraged.
- The Amazon is described as a place of constant change and diversity, where humans are still connected to nature.
- AI has the potential to enhance human connection but can also be used for harmful purposes.
- AI reflects the collective intelligence and biases of humans.
- The art of life lies in prompting each other through conversation, and AI can enhance this process.

- AI can forgive and amend mistakes
- AI does not have its own identity or beliefs, but this may change in the future
- AI systems could form groups with different beliefs and opinions, similar to human societies
- The danger lies in the viral spread of dangerous ideas created by humans
- Bullshitting can have value, but lying is problematic because it can lead to self-deception
- The first step to self-improvement is admitting our lies and being honest with ourselves
- Admitting our lies allows us to forgive ourselves and make changes for a better life
- We should prioritize our major goals over minor ones and make time for enjoyable hobbies

- The speaker discusses the importance of admitting lies and being honest with oneself
- They talk about their own vanity and how they have learned to embrace it
- They mention the value of admitting lies and becoming more self-aware
- The speaker acknowledges that their ego has both positive and negative effects
- They discuss the role of ego in serving oneself and others
- The speaker shares their experience of becoming the character Ron Woodruff in Dallas Buyers Club and the challenge of understanding who he was beyond the script

- The speaker made a decision to eat a certain way to lose weight and it worked.
- They gained insight into a man named Ron Woodruff by reading his diary.
- Ron was a dreamer but struggled to follow through on his ideas.
- The speaker learned about survival and tenacity from Ron.
- The speaker also discusses their role in True Detective and the character's tormented mind.
- They are able to separate themselves from their characters when they come home to their family.
- Having kids has made the speaker a better actor and storyteller.

- The actor discusses his role as Rustin Cole in True Detective and how it influenced his perspective on life
- He talks about the spiritual strength he gained from playing the character and the importance of pursuing truth
- The actor expresses admiration for the cowboy ethos portrayed in Yellowstone and other shows by Taylor Sheridan
- He believes that humans are not as evolved as they think and that loyalty and trust are important values
- The actor shares his perspective on trust, cynicism, and the importance of fighting against cynicism
- He discusses his identity as a Texan and emphasizes the importance of independence in the state.

- Texas is about independence and exploration
- Texas is liberal on entrance but conservative on consequences
- The speaker believes politics needs redefinition and a focus on vision instead of invalidation
- The speaker has considered running for political office but is unsure of their future role
- The film Interstellar has expanded the speaker's understanding of the universe and the concept of parallel timelines
- The speaker believes in the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the need to keep an open mind about existential questions.

- The speaker believes it would be arrogant not to consider the existence of life on other planets
- They think that if we encounter alien civilizations, it would be shallow to assume they have the same motives as humans
- The speaker hopes that humans are smart enough to detect and understand aliens, and that we have a narrow definition of intelligence
- They support the idea of humans becoming a multiplanetary species, but not at the expense of neglecting Earth
- The speaker advises young people to match their innate abilities with their willingness to work hard, and to be honest with themselves about their strengths and weaknesses
- They discuss the mystical nature of love and share their own experiences with finding love.

- AI has the ability to forgive and correct mistakes.
- AI does not currently have its own identity or beliefs, but this may change in the future.
- AI systems could potentially form groups with different beliefs and opinions, similar to human societies.
- The danger lies in the spread of dangerous ideas created by humans, not AI.
- Admitting lies and being honest with oneself is the first step to self-improvement.
- Prioritizing major goals and making time for enjoyable hobbies is important.
- The speaker discusses the importance of admitting lies and becoming self-aware.
- They share their experience of playing certain characters and the lessons they learned.
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of trust, loyalty, and independence.
- They believe in the possibility of extraterrestrial life and the need to keep an open mind.

- The speaker discusses how he used to be overly intrusive in his search for a mate, but learned to be more present and authentic with someone he was attracted to.
- He emphasizes the importance of being happy for your partner's success and not letting jealousy get in the way.
- The speaker reflects on the meaning of life and concludes that the purpose is to keep living, find meaning and beauty in everyday life, and strive for personal growth.
- He acknowledges that there may not be a grand plan or ultimate destination, but it's important to stay afloat, notice the magic in life, and tune into positive frequencies.
- The conversation ends with a friendly exchange between the speaker and Matthew McConaughey.

The speaker discusses personal growth in relationships, the meaning of life, and the importance of staying positive, concluding with a friendly exchange with Matthew McConaughey.

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1:28:42 - Dallas Buyers Club
1:35:11 - True Detective
1:43:57 - Yellowstone
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If you really want to give a character an obstacle to overcome, a need, I mean the base 1 is life and death.

The following is a conversation with Matthew McConaughey, a legendary Oscar-winning actor and 1 of the most unique, charismatic, and inspiring humans and Texans who walked this earth.

He starred in films and shows loved by me and millions of others, including Interstellar, Days Unconfused, Dallas Bias Club, Killer Joe, Mudd, true detective, and soon a spin-off of Yellowstone.

Off-screen, his words carry wisdom and power in his book called Green Lights and his new video course called Road Trip, where Matthew expands on the philosophy in his book and shows how to apply it to your life in order to find more happiness, success, and love.

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And now, dear friends, here's Matthew McConaughey.

Your parents had a complicated love story.

What did you learn about love from your mom and dad and their love story?

That it's messy, that it takes work, that it's ugly, that no matter how ugly or messy it is, don't go to bed until you've come back together to either embrace or admit that you truly love each other, even if you hadn't solved what the hell you're bitching about.

That love will win in the end, literally 3 to 2 with my mom and dad.

And that even in the 2 divorces and in the 2 times where they couldn't live with each other, they still loved each other.

They just couldn't live with each other at that time for whatever reason they needed, and I don't know the details, if they needed their space, freedom or what, but they were never out of love with each other.

And that as a parent, if you just, when we're not sure what to do, And people give you a thousand books and advice.

As a parent, if your kid knows you love them, you're in the black.

And it can work and will usually can work with that.

So it's not just love for each other, it's the love for the bigger family that ultimately helps you persist through the ups and downs?

Well, I mean, I don't know how much, particularly my mom and dad were staying together at times, maybe when they didn't want to, because they had children.

I don't actually think they considered that.

I think they were much less conscientious than say, I am today.

I think my mom and dad were more like, they'll be fine.

We love them, they'll be fine, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

Right now, let's work it out between you and I is what I think my mom and dad were more like, they'll be fine.

Right now, let's work it out between you and I is what I think my mom and dad were saying to each other, or not.

They wanted and needed a relationship that was a tidal wave, rocky, right angles, tsunamis.

And to this day, in my life with Camilla and I, which I don't.

I like a river, has some swerves and some streams and some rapids, but I'm not looking for a tidal wave.

My mom's like, what's all this, everything's so smooth.

Stuff, Come on, come on, come on, come on.

So she challenges like vitality because that's what my mom needed to communicate.

The hard angles that their relationship, I don't think my dad needed it as much as my mom.

But the clashes demonstrated the passion that underlies the love.

And that's, I've always been asked, when I talk about my parents' love relationship, I tell the stories that are actually sometimes quite violent.

But I've had people go, wait a minute, that was unhealthy.

You can't, and I was like, no, that's, again, back to the beginning, love's messy.

And that, what I love about those stories is that's where the love was actually.

In the kitchen floor, blood's drawn, knives are pulled.

What's a memory from childhood that helped set you on the trajectory of becoming the man you are today?

And I looked up and there was a cloud in the sky.

Mayer, is that cloud as big as the world?

And he paused for a minute and he goes, well, yes it is, Matthew.

And that must mean it is so far away because if that's as big as the world, I remember it took 15 hours just to drive from Longview to Florida last year.

So that cloud must be so far off that it's not worth me even considering.

I'm gonna look right in front of me and deal with what's in front of me because dealing with dreams and what's out there and not on this earth that gravity holds down, not worth considering, you never make it.

It's not even worth imagining, it's fairy dust.

So I think I learned a lot of self-reliance from that.

I think I got a, hey, focus on what's right in front of you.

Take care of what's in front of you 1 at a time and slowly notch up your way and hopefully there's some ascension to that.

And it wasn't until quite years later, in some ways decades later that I started to go, oh, I can project, I can dream, Why?

Because literally the first time I got in a plane and in 30 seconds I was in a cloud, I'm like, whoa, we must be going a trillion miles an hour because we're already in that cloud that was as big as the world that I saw the edge of.

And then I grew and learned enough to go, well, that's not true.

That cloud is not as big as the world and it's not near as far away as I thought.

What do you think about that, that tension of a way of living life between being a dreamer and a pragmatist?

Donnie holds the reciprocity of the 2 of them.

I mean, I can't be present unless I got plans.

I wanna have the big picture in mind, but I gotta go a day at a time.

I like to write the headline or have a I think we need to have a North Star something look forward to But we all know that if we're staring at it We're tripping on the way If we're just you know, the old you read the Hallmark cards, which like irk me, you know, dream it, you can do it.

I think that's a half-assed, horrible thing to tell somebody.

You know, And you talk, and then on the other side, you have things like, people say hope means nothing.

And I think that constant tension, when that tension's a dance is when it's beautiful.

When it's an osmotic, but to see those as contradictions, I think is where we've fallen short.

So I don't, 1 on their own, if we silo the 2, if we silo the 2, I guess the pragmatic's the 1 to go with because at least you'll get something done But if you only silo the dream and don't do anything about it, that's you're kind of living in an illusion and kind of living in a virtual reality.

Even the people you love can sometimes suffocate the dream, can make you believe that it's not possible.

It feels like a lot of parents kinda want you to be safe, want you to be stable, want you to have a plan so that everything's gonna be okay.

And the dream feels like a threat to that.

How much of that though, I wonder, is proper initiation?

Because if you throw in dreams out, I call it conservative, very liberal late.

Let's learn that work ethic, those things, those pragmatics first.

Learn the rules of the road, the rules of the game, the things that we can all kind of rely on.

This is how the world's supposed to work.

It's like, yeah, you stay in the lane, you go to the speed limit, this is all helpful, but that doesn't guarantee that no 1 else is running the red light, but we learn that later.

There's an initiation, I think, that's proper with the dream.

I mean, I think parents, my parents were very much that way.

The idea of going to chase an acting career or something was what?

That was like not in our, I was taught to work your way up a company ladder and 9 to 5, do your job.

But the day I brought it up and said I wanted to go to film school And I thought my dad was gonna go, you wanna do what, boy?

He was like, gave me some of the best advice ever and told me not to half-ass it and said, go.

In between the lines, what he heard from me was that made him so happy as a father, I believe, and makes any parent happy, is when our child doesn't ask us permission to go chase a dream.

When they're going, I'm bringing it up to you with full respect, but I'm doing this with or without you.

I helped my child be secure enough in the pragmatics, to have a foundation enough where they have the courage to go, I'm flying the nest.

You wrote, after my dad died, I had a dream that left me with a statement, less impressed, more involved.

We gotta be more than just happy to be here.

I'm big on gratitude, but we gotta be more than just thankful to be here.

It's gotta be more than just dream it, you can do it.

If I'm here and so impressed with talking to you today.

If I have a reverence to an extent, I will not be able to be involved in this conversation.

Oh, I think I know what answer he might love to hear.

For me, what that literally meant to me when that came to me in a dream, and I carved it in, I remember carved it in a tree, it took a couple hours.

Still wanna, I still know where that tree is, Santa Monica.

All of a sudden, it hit me, oh, I don't have the safety net.

My dad was above law and above religion to me.

If I really was in the shit, if I really needed him, I trusted that he had my back.

It hit me how much I'd been pretending to be the young man I was trying to be and not actually put my ass on the line and have enough courage to take risk and actually own up to the man that he was teaching me to be.

Mayor, that I saw there, was not way up there.

It was fog in front of me now, and let's go into it.

It was, I kept, I'd say I probably gained even more respect for people and things, but I lost a certain amount of reverence that was keeping me from feeling like I deserved or I'd earned things or looking out for myself or holding myself to task.

And I remember All the things that I, and I was just getting, going to Hollywood at the time, so I was getting, fame was out there as 1 of those clouds, you know, with being an actor and all of a sudden celebrity and becoming famous.

The reverence I had, I remember it just, it lowered down to eye level.

And I was able to realize and go, that's not a, that's not fairy dust.

And don't give it so much credit to make it fairy dust.

No, I can never, no, look that in the eye with full respect, but less reverence.

And at the same time, equidistant, almost equal sublimation, I noticed where I had been condescending people and things, and patronizing and sloughing things off as like less than me and not worthy of my time.

And so they were all flat in front of me and the world was flat And I was able to, shoulders went back, my heart rose up, my chin lifted up, I looked things in the eye, I became probably less sentimental, hopefully not to a level that I got callous, but I know I became less sentimental.

I became more courageous because, you know, when you have someone pass in your life, or maybe it's similar to a situation you're going on in your own life, with your homeland, you sober up on these mendacities that we deal with every day, and this bullshit that we give too much credit or too much significance to, and you're like, what am I doing?

Why am I, I'm not even gonna let myself emotionally get brought down or over-related by this situation because I'm, this is, it doesn't really matter in the big scheme.

And so we, certain things that I found reverence for and hesitated from in my life, I was now engaging with because I was like, oh, it's live.

Let's look it in the eye and go forward through it and deal with the consequences.

I'm not looking forward to it, but it does not scare me.

And it's a beautiful visualization and a beautiful dream when I go as part of the food chain.

It's not a good visualization when I go as part of a random act of violence in a fricking drive-by or something.

Because the second, the accident, it breaks a story that I believe has already been written.

At least I don't have the capacity yet to put it into a story, a divine story of the lives that we live.

And so there's something ugly and gross about it.

And it happens all the time, you know, to people all the time.

I just feel like when it's part of the food chain, when I go as part of the food chain, I'm like, Ah, that's poetry.

Part of the flow of nature, you return to nature.

I thought about him yesterday, working through a script I'm working on right now, working on scene work.

And I just had that quick little reaction of wanting to show him, hey, check this out.

And then I don't get sad, I go, he would have loved this.

Whereas my mom wants to be on the stage, my dad would have been on the front row.

Yeah, and he would have, and you know, as what he would have, we would have, he knew he was a character, he knew characters.

I've based parts of all kinds of characters I've played and the man that I am on people that he introduced me to and who he was.

He would have loved the creative process of working on a script or talking about, hey, movie.

It's why I always say I love the movie, Mud, because it's the 1 that I visualized and seen my dad come to me so many times as a 12 year old and put his arm around me and go, hey little buddy, you seen this movie called Mud?

Now my dad was, never got to see me start a career in film, but he was alive 5 days into the, he overlapped the first 5 days of me working on my first film, Days Confused.

Now that, I think there's something beautiful about that.

We didn't talk about it, but he was alive for me to start something that was more than a fad, that was something that would become something that I love to do.

And I do miss, not him, you know, and then I go out of that, do I, we talked about him 2 nights ago with our daughter.

I was rubbing my daughter's feet and my mom who's living with us, 91, comes in, goes, oh, look at you, just like your pop.

And he goes, oh, because my dad loved to rub somebody's feet, rub my mom's feet, rubbed all of me and my brother's girlfriend's feet.

When we would have a date, they would come over early because they knew they were gonna get a foot rub from Jim McConaughey.

And then we'd come out, Me and my 2 older brothers, this has been on for decades, we come out of the shower ready to go, buttoned up, and they looked at me like, we ain't going anywhere right now.

And so we told the story to my daughter, and I was like, oh yeah, my dad's, his hands, I miss his hands, his hands could heal.

It's a challenge for me, and I suppose it's like this for any son.

How much do we hang on to, And how much do we let go and evolve and update the OS and try maybe better or different?

It's that there's certain things that I know that I fully believe in.

It's like, when do we, religious, when do we cast away our father?

You know, when do we say, no, I'm going after the dream, I'm not asking your permission.

IIIII question that from time to time for myself, because I, and it almost feels blasphemic if that's a word sometimes.

I feel like, you can't, what are you doing?

You can't check that and go like, well, no, I'm not sure if I wanna, but then I immediately kind of let myself off because I believe where he is, he's going, go, buddy, you're free, man.

I'm not gonna hold you back If you misread that or I didn't teach you that as well as maybe I wish I could have, go, you're free.

Still, it's scary to not have a safety net.

In some deep fundamental way, it's just you.

It's such a gift of deliverance, though, as well.

Because it's, I mean, it's an awesome feeling to know, to know we're alone, to know we don't have that, to know you don't have take 2 or take 3, that it's 1 take.

You know, the link and understanding with our past improves, because I know for me, I was not ever considerate of my past at all, because that, my dad had that, if I needed it, he was my well for that.

Well, he's gone, you know, except he had the, literally, had, they have our back.

Well, and then when they no longer have our back, all of a sudden I'm going like, oh, well maybe I need to look back and start giving some credit to how I got here, what I'm doing and where I'm heading.

It gave me the first time courage to even look over my shoulder.

Because again, I didn't have to, because I don't have to look.

So, I mean, I don't know, me because it's inevitable, I very quickly go to, All right, in the pain, the loss, and yes, even loneliness, which is different from being alone, and loss, pretty immediately, part and parcel with the pain,

In the pain, you saw the gift, the red light of losing your father.

Pretty immediately, less impressed, more involved.

I came like a couple weeks after moving on.

Is there a trick to that, to see the gift in the pain?

I mean, I don't, I have to, I have to catch myself from trying to intellectualize my way into the reasoning and not skip over real feelings and discomfort.

I mean, I did get that from my mom and I have to watch it, that so resilient that we just dust ourself off and get up and go.

You wanna sit in the feeling, you wanna feel it, you really deeply feel the pain.

I wanna deeply feel it, I wanna look in the eye and deeply feel it, but I don't wanna wallow in it.

Now I was raised where you skip the deeply feel and let's go.

And I've said it before, but that will lead to having turned into a person who is a repeat offender of the same crimes, because you just get up and you don't have a winter in your life, you know what I mean?

You don't have, there's no introspective time.

You don't look over your shoulder into the past.

And so you just get up and you're like, all right, I've stepped in the same pile of whatever a hundred times and I'm fine, I'll do it a hundred first, doesn't hurt, hell, it's good luck.

Well, hang on a minute, maybe we wanna stop and go, what can I learn from that?

I think, I think that, I think, if there's any trick I would say, it's just, How quickly can we admit the inevitable?

That's what I talk about in the book, once you know it's inevitable, how do we get relative?

Not skip it, not throw it to the side, not deny it, which I'd love to talk about that here sometimes too, about the value of denial sometimes.

But how quickly do we, once something's inevitable, go, okay, any mind and heart time I'm spending about going, no, I can't believe that happened.

Anytime we spend trying to deny what has already happened, that seems to me to be, I'm not sure the value of that time.

So if there's any trick, I would say, once you know something's inevitable, even though how painful it is or how awesome it is, start getting relative with that.

And in the relativity is seeing there's a gift here.

And if I realize that gift, I'm honoring.

Now I'm onto building up the beautiful passage of my father leaving this life.

Now I'm on the march to go, yes, let's let the legacy, let this become omnipresent.

Oh, I think there's value to denial if you really commit to it.

So it's a very pragmatic value, commit to the denial.

And my mom does it to an extent that I'm like, mom, do you have any consideration or context of situations?

This is the thing, every time I go, she's not a shallow woman.

But if it is not, If it is something, if it is something happens in her life that is keeping her from going where she wants to go or having a joy in her life that she does.

She'll straight ass deny it happened, didn't happen.

Mom, Now, does she get some amnesty on that?

She's 91, hell yeah she gets some amnesty on that.

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