#1554 w/Kanye West:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0OrHFgKhoainuuJ9CBrw37

And I just went on a riff right there, but the thing is these...

When anybody ever talks about you to me, they say, well, he's all over the place.

And I say, I think that he's got a different power source Like if you look at the way everybody interfaces with the world is if there's a universal power Most people have like a 20 watt charger the way I describe you I say I think that motherfuckers got like a hundred and 50 watt charger And these ideas are just coming at them.

So you do go on these rants that sometimes need to be dissected into individual things But overall you're incredibly productive so my question is Why do you Why do people think there's something wrong with you?

But legitimately, you've been medicated, they've put you away, right?

I don't think in the black and white lines that I've been programmed to think in, and I think in full color.

So when I talk, I have to describe a thought in 5 ways.

You know, We enjoy food that has multiple seasoning in it.

We enjoy music that has multiple instruments.

So when I talk, it's not a rant, it's a symphony of ideas.

And when you collect them, you say, oh, these are all these things that connect.

And telling the truth is crazy in a world full of lies.

It's fascinating the way you think Because I can see that you're thinking in all these different layers and you're looking at things from all these different Perspectives and they all come together out of your mouth and like a tornado of ideas Now if someone wants to just have a conversation with you back and forth I could see whether the guy's crazy just doesn't stop.

He's ranting But what I'm seeing is just you're a very thorough thinker.

You're thinking of things independently But you're thinking of things in a massive perspective Who convinced you that that's bad?

Have you always been this way, or was it less manageable before?

Yeah, I believe before I found Christ and gave my life to God, I would try to lean on my own understanding.

The universe is like a black hole of information.

What do you mean by your own understanding?

Meaning when people ask Einstein, said, you're the smartest person, what would you like to know?

Einstein's response was, I'd like to understand the mind of God.

Meaning God is all-knowing, and we can only know or see, and for me as a visionary, we can only know or see what God allows us to see and what He feels we're ready to see and understand to maximize what our Maslow's hierarchy and need chart is, you know, what sets our dopamines, what sets our serotonins off, what makes us feel good, basically.

We did a good deed, and it's like, it was somehow, just doing a beat for a famous, Or just doing a beat for a local dope rapper really meant a lot to me when I was 14 years old.

Doing a beat for just anyone famous that had a major record deal was a lot to me at age 19.

Me being able to put out my own music and put my own...that was a lot to me at age 24, meaning as I grow, God sets new stages in the game of life for me that you get your satisfaction.

Like, Maslow's hierarchy of need is like our satisfaction chart.

What makes us feel whole and accomplished as a human being?

So as I go through these different levels, there's times where I would use confidence when I knew what I was doing, and I would use arrogance when I didn't know what I was doing, but I'd rather use arrogance than to let someone diminish my idea of myself because that is what keeps us going.

Anybody, as most people, is like, do you want tomorrow to come?

But I went from having confidence and arrogance to having faith.

And that created this fearless approach that I have.

And that's what now has made me the fearless leader that I am, that I've crystallized into the leader that my mom always knew I would be when kids followed me in preschool, the leader that people saw when we changed the sound of music, the leader when we changed the sneaker industry, the leader in what we're doing with farming and with shelters.

When I was building the homeless shelters a couple years ago, and visiting parks, and then going to skip row and understanding the dynamics and empathizing what actual mental health issues are.

That's someone telling their truth or being exhausted and then being labeled as such.

Like, you were telling the truth and you were exhausted and they labeled you as mentally unhealthy.

That what happened with you is you feel like maybe or you probably feel like that having this higher calling and Recognizing this higher power Was the the glue that kept your thoughts together They kept your mind straight and it kept you on a righteous path so instead of being Scattered with all these crazy thoughts and being exhausted and being labeled manic, right?

Like we talked before and you were saying that they had you on medication, but the medication fucked with your creativity, it fucked with all kinds of things.

Or it blocked my ability to channel what God wanted me to do.

Did you use toothpaste with fluoride today?

And they put children on it, and we put our kids on it, you know?

It's all these things to create like a disconnect to God to serve that.

But what did they tell you when they said that they were gonna put you on medication?

What did they put you on, and what did they tell you?

1 of my favorite things that they did is they put me on this medication that made me gain a lot of weight and I said I'm not going to take this and they said okay we got a medication you can take but you won't gain weight and this shows you they were trying to kill a superhero, slowly trying to kill genius, trying to make me not feel like I could run for president, make me not feel like I can go be born in Atlanta, grow up on the south side of Chicago, go into music, go and win all these Grammys, change the sound of music and the look of stage performances, all that, and then still end up in $53 million of debt.

Music industry has people go into the exact debt of the house that they think they're gonna buy after the tour is over.

There's criminals all over everyone's almost accounts in the music industry.

As soon as things are filled with money they're filled with people that are trying to take advantage of other people.

So they put you on this shit because you were exhausted?

I'm actually forgetting the exact medication that they had.

The main thing that it did is it destroyed my confidence.

It made me this shell of who I really am.

It made me, it made the Mustang that buck anymore.

And they, What was the thought process behind it?

When you talked to a doctor about this, what did they tell you was wrong with you?

And I remember going on TMZ and saying, you know, slavery is a choice.

And they medicated me for saying that, for having that opinion and saying it out loud.

But as I put those contracts up, I'm saying this is a choice.

You didn't mean people being abducted and brought into slavery and put into chains was a choice.

What you were talking about is people making decisions that would enslave them financially and enslave their life.

It was taken out of context and it was taken in the least charitable way and they decided to try to say look at crazy Kanye look at this shitty saying yeah then they medicate you

yes and the media is always taking anything out of context that isn't a part of the overall narrative.

Because there's, you know, like Hollywood and media has controlled so much of the narrative.

And that's what's so beautiful about 1 of my heroes, Steve Jobs, because there wouldn't be a Silicon Valley, or the Silicon Valley wouldn't be what it is today if Steve Jobs didn't make information accessible like this, which is still a bit controlled, but it feels like Twitter is the safest, freest mass platform to communicate on.

And it's like they mess with Jack because of that, you know?

There's a lot of issues now, but I think that's internal.

I think that's people that are working there that are woke, that want to stop people from saying certain things, and there's a lot of struggles with that today and it's unfortunate because I do agree that it's an unbelievable way to get ideas out there yeah so but it's also it's a new thing and it's mismanaged by the people that use it often They don't know what they're doing or why they're doing it.

Every version of anything that man has made will be flawed.

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Speaker 1: And I just went on a riff right there, but the thing is these... Isn't that what

Speaker 0: you do though? Yeah. 1 of the things that I... When anybody ever talks about you to me, they say, well, he's all over the place. And I say, I think that he's got a different power source Like if you look at the way everybody interfaces with the world is if there's a universal power Most people have like a 20 watt charger the way I describe you I say I think that motherfuckers got like a hundred and 50 watt charger And these ideas are just coming at them.

So you do go on these rants that sometimes need to be dissected into individual things But overall you're incredibly productive so my question is Why do you Why do people think there's something wrong with you? Yeah. But legitimately, you've been medicated, they've put you away, right? They've brought you to med... How did that happen?

Speaker 1: Well, I'll say these 2 things. I think very three-dimensionally. I don't think in the black and white lines that I've been programmed to think in, and I think in full color. So when I talk, I have to describe a thought in 5 ways. You know, We enjoy food that has multiple seasoning in it.

We enjoy music that has multiple instruments. So when I talk, it's not a rant, it's a symphony of ideas. And when you collect them, you say, oh, these are all these things that connect. Yeah, you know, I just tell the truth. And telling the truth is crazy in a world full of lies.

That's simply it. But none

Speaker 0: of the things you're saying are crazy. None of the things you said are crazy. It's fascinating the way you think Because I can see that you're thinking in all these different layers and you're looking at things from all these different Perspectives and they all come together out of your mouth and like a tornado of ideas Now if someone wants to just have a conversation with you back and forth I could see whether the guy's crazy just doesn't stop. He's ranting But what I'm seeing is just you're a very thorough thinker. You're thinking of things independently But you're thinking of things in a massive perspective Who convinced you that that's bad?

Have you always been this way, or was it less manageable before? Did you have issues with it before?

Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe before I found Christ and gave my life to God, I would try to lean on my own understanding. And that's... The universe is like a black hole of information.

Speaker 0: What do you mean by your own understanding?

Speaker 1: Meaning when people ask Einstein, said, you're the smartest person, what would you like to know? Einstein's response was, I'd like to understand the mind of God. Meaning God is all-knowing, and we can only know or see, and for me as a visionary, we can only know or see what God allows us to see and what He feels we're ready to see and understand to maximize what our Maslow's hierarchy and need chart is, you know, what sets our dopamines, what sets our serotonins off, what makes us feel good, basically. We did a good deed, and it's like, it was somehow, just doing a beat for a famous, Or just doing a beat for a local dope rapper really meant a lot to me when I was 14 years old. Doing a beat for just anyone famous that had a major record deal was a lot to me at age 19.

Me being able to put out my own music and put my own...that was a lot to me at age 24, meaning as I grow, God sets new stages in the game of life for me that you get your satisfaction. Like, Maslow's hierarchy of need is like our satisfaction chart. What makes us feel whole and accomplished as a human being? So as I go through these different levels, there's times where I would use confidence when I knew what I was doing, and I would use arrogance when I didn't know what I was doing, but I'd rather use arrogance than to let someone diminish my idea of myself because that is what keeps us going. Hope actually keeps us alive.

Anybody, as most people, is like, do you want tomorrow to come? And they say, yes. They have hope for it. But I went from having confidence and arrogance to having faith. And faith is the opposite of fear.

And that created this fearless approach that I have. And that's what now has made me the fearless leader that I am, that I've crystallized into the leader that my mom always knew I would be when kids followed me in preschool, the leader that people saw when we changed the sound of music, the leader when we changed the sneaker industry, the leader in what we're doing with farming and with shelters. When I was building the homeless shelters a couple years ago, and visiting parks, and then going to skip row and understanding the dynamics and empathizing what actual mental health issues are. That's someone telling their truth or being exhausted and then being labeled as such. Like, I am...

Speaker 0: So that's what you felt happened to you? Like, you were telling the truth and you were exhausted and they labeled you as mentally unhealthy. Yes, absolutely. Am I saying this right? That what happened with you is you feel like maybe or you probably feel like that having this higher calling and Recognizing this higher power Was the the glue that kept your thoughts together They kept your mind straight and it kept you on a righteous path so instead of being Scattered with all these crazy thoughts and being exhausted and being labeled manic, right?

Like we talked before and you were saying that they had you on medication, but the medication fucked with your creativity, it fucked with all kinds of things.

Speaker 1: Or it blocked my ability to channel what God wanted me to do. But we're all on medication right now. Did you use toothpaste with fluoride today? It blocks your pineal gland. And they put children on it, and we put our kids on it, you know?

It's inside the deodorants that we use. It's all these things to create like a disconnect to God to serve that. It's like, are you serving man? Are you serving the 1 and only Master?

Speaker 0: But what did they tell you when they said that they were gonna put you on medication? What did they put you on, and what did they tell you?

Speaker 1: 1 of my favorite things that they did is they put me on this medication that made me gain a lot of weight and I said I'm not going to take this and they said okay we got a medication you can take but you won't gain weight and this shows you they were trying to kill a superhero, slowly trying to kill genius, trying to make me not feel like I could run for president, make me not feel like I can go be born in Atlanta, grow up on the south side of Chicago, go into music, go and win all these Grammys, change the sound of music and the look of stage performances, all that, and then still end up in $53 million of debt. Music industry has people go into the exact debt of the house that they think they're gonna buy after the tour is over. And it's strategized. There's criminals all over everyone's almost accounts in the music industry. It's not a safe place.

It's a treacherous place.

Speaker 0: So- filled with money. As soon as things are filled with money they're filled with people that are trying to take advantage of other people.

Speaker 1: Filled with money bees come to honey.

Speaker 0: Exactly. So they put you on this shit because you were exhausted? What did they put you on?

Speaker 1: You know I can research. I'm actually forgetting the exact medication that they had.

Speaker 0: But what did it do

Speaker 1: to you? The main thing that it did is it destroyed my confidence. It made me this shell of who I really am. It like grayed over my eyes. It made me, it made the Mustang that buck anymore.

Speaker 0: They sedated you. Yes. Yeah. And they, What was the thought process behind it? When you talked to a doctor about this, what did they tell you was wrong with you?

Speaker 1: They told me I was bipolar. And I remember going on TMZ and saying, you know, slavery is a choice. And they medicated me for saying that, for having that opinion and saying it out loud. But as I put those contracts up, I'm saying this is a choice. As I, you know.

Speaker 0: You didn't mean people being abducted and brought into slavery and put into chains was a choice. What you were talking about is people making decisions that would enslave them financially and enslave their life. It was taken out of context and it was taken in the least charitable way and they decided to try to say look at crazy Kanye look at this shitty saying yeah then they medicate you

Speaker 1: yes and the media is always taking anything out of context that isn't a part of the overall narrative. Because there's, you know, like Hollywood and media has controlled so much of the narrative. And then you had Silicon Valley. And that's what's so beautiful about 1 of my heroes, Steve Jobs, because there wouldn't be a Silicon Valley, or the Silicon Valley wouldn't be what it is today if Steve Jobs didn't make information accessible like this, which is still a bit controlled, but it feels like Twitter is the safest, freest mass platform to communicate on. And it's like they mess with Jack because of that, you know?

Well,

Speaker 0: it's still censored. There's a lot of issues now, but I think that's internal. I think that's people that are working there that are woke, that want to stop people from saying certain things, and there's a lot of struggles with that today and it's unfortunate because I do agree that it's an unbelievable way to get ideas out there yeah so but it's also it's a new thing and it's mismanaged by the people that use it often They don't know what they're doing or why they're doing it.

Speaker 1: Every version of anything that man has made will be flawed.

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The Reason Kanye West is Misunderstood