The Jurogan experience - Discussion about the war on drugs and the effectiveness of current strategies

Portugal's test case - Exploring the success of Portugal's approach to drug policy and praising Lisbon as a city

Empires rise and fall - Reflecting on the rise and fall of empires, including the Roman and British Empires

The Roman Empire became a church - Speculating that the Roman Empire transformed into the church and discussing the wealth of the Vatican

Cultural shift from God to love - Observing the shift in cultural focus from God to love in songs and paintings

The British Empire became a bank - Describing how the British Empire transitioned into a financial center and the influence of the City of London

The extraordinary nature of America - Appreciating the uniqueness and potential of America as a country

Objective metrics vs subjective experience - Contrasting the objective metrics of America's progress with the subjective experiences of its people

The pursuit of happiness - Discussing the enduring belief in the pursuit of happiness and how it is perceived by people from other countries

America as a beacon - Recognizing America as a beacon of freedom and excitement

The symbolism of the Statue of Liberty - Exploring the symbolism of the Statue of Liberty and its representation of progress

Finding purpose in a changing world - Considering the importance of finding purpose for nations and the need for Britain to redefine its place in the world

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### The Jurogan Experience

In the latest episode of the Jurogan podcast, Joe Rogan and his guest discuss various topics, including the war on drugs, the rise and fall of empires, and the current state of America. Here are some key takeaways from their conversation:

- The war on drugs: It's clear that the war on drugs is a losing battle. Even high-security prisons struggle to keep drugs out, so expecting to control drug trafficking at the borders seems unrealistic. The discussion highlights the need to explore alternative approaches like the one implemented in Portugal.

- Portugal's approach: Portugal has conducted a 15-year test case on drug decriminalization, and the results are promising. The positive impact of this approach can be seen in cities like Lisbon and Porto, which offer vibrant cultural scenes and are popular destinations for stand-up comedy gigs.

- Empires rise and fall: The conversation delves into the concept of empires and their evolution. It draws parallels between the Roman Empire and the church, suggesting that the empire transformed into a religious institution. Similarly, the British Empire transitioned into a financial hub, with the City of London playing a significant role in global finance.

- America's current state: The discussion touches upon the perception of America from an outsider's perspective. The guests from the Trigonometry podcast express their awe at the freedom and excitement they experience in the country. Despite subjective concerns, America remains a beacon of opportunity and the pursuit of happiness.

### The Future of Empires

The conversation also ponders the future of empires and nations. It raises questions about finding purpose and adapting to changing times. Here are some key insights:

- America's potential: While acknowledging America's current challenges, there is optimism that the country's finest days are yet to come. It is seen as a nation founded on an idea and has the potential to continue evolving and making positive contributions to the world.

- Britain's search for purpose: With Brexit and other significant changes, Britain is in a phase of redefining its role in the world. Finding a new purpose and fitting into the global landscape are crucial considerations.

The newsletter will continue to explore these topics and provide further insights in the upcoming editions.

Stay tuned for more!


The Jurogan Experience and the Future of Empires

- The speaker discusses the war on drugs and suggests that it cannot be won.
- They mention Portugal as an example of a country that has implemented successful drug policies.
- The conversation shifts to discussing Lisbon and the greatness of Portugal.
- The speaker then talks about empires rising and falling, comparing it to the potential decline of America.
- They suggest that the Roman Empire became the church and the British Empire became a bank.
- The speaker reflects on the cultural changes in America and its current state.
- They mention the perspective of people from other parts of the world on America.
- The discussion touches on the idea of America being a beacon and the potential for its future.
- The speaker also mentions the need for Britain to find its purpose in the world.

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Imagine the research that could go into that with that budget.

And you go, look, you're not going to win the war on drugs.

You don't even, like, there's prisons, high security, category A prisons, and they've got drugs in them.

You can't even keep the drugs out of there.

It strikes me as like you go, just admit you're not going to win that fight.

And that best practice of going, well, that's going on in Portugal now.

I mean Lisbon now, have you been to Lisbon?

Lisbon and Porto, I mean, I don't really know the rest of Portugal that well, but they're both phenomenal places to play gigs and they love stand-up comedy.

Isn't it crazy that that little country was like conquering the world at 1 point in time?

And that's 1 of the things that people are wondering currently about America, if we're in the last throes of a dying empire.

Well, here's my, I got a hot take on this.

I think the, so the Rome fell, but the Roman Empire became the church.

Where's all the money from the Roman Empire?

in the basement of the Vatican is where it is.

Yeah, that's that's I don't think the British the Vatican.

the wealth The the sheer wealth in art is overwhelming.

Peter's Basilica, when I walked in there, I, my mouth was open the entire time I was there.

Like, you just can't believe the amount of craftsmanship, the architecture, the art, the painting.

Well, I mean, if you think about culturally what happened, every song, every painting was about God until 100 years ago.

I think they're talking about the same thing, but that's me being an old hippie.

We gave Saudi Arabia back and all these other places that we'd sort of taken the resources.

And then we went, oh, what are you doing with that money?

Because we've got this thing called the City of London.

I'll tell you what, it's your money, but we're going to hold it.

So we've still got that thing of like, and culturally, I think, you know, America is, I mean, America's extraordinary.

It's kind of based on this amazing premise.

It strikes me that America is, It's better now, objectively, than it has ever been, and subjectively worse than it's ever been.

So you go, the experience, it seems bad, but objectively when you look at the metrics, it's good, so that's kind of Steven Pinker thing.

Like people aren't, people feel like they're at war.

And actually this is the land of milk and honey.

And I think It's still got a bit of that thing of like the, you know, Austin, Texas maybe has it as much as anywhere.

It's whispering, you know, go and be yourself.

Well, I'm always fascinated how people from other parts of the world see it.

When someone comes here and they just look around.

I had the trigonometry guys here the other day.

And when we were here and we were coming to the club, they were like, mate, this place is incredible.

Like, just the freedom that you guys have and the wildness that's in the air.

Like, this is something, something's really happening here.

It's always been a bit of a beacon, America, because it's kind of founded on an idea.

And, you know, it's that, the devil's in the detail.

There's a thing in Paris in the Musee d'Orsay.

They made a model of the, because it was crowdfunded, the Statue of Liberty.

It was a gift from the people of France to the people of America.

So they funded it, the French people gave money.

And when you see it, when you see the model of the Statue of Liberty, you realize she's not just carrying a torch, she's walking forward.

I think there's potential for, I mean, I think America hasn't seen its finest days yet, I would hope.

I mean, Britain has to find a new place in the world.

I think with people, with nations, with the world, it's like finding purpose is very important.


Speaker 0: The Jurogan experience.

Speaker 1: Imagine the research that could go into that with that budget. And you go, look, you're not going to win the war on drugs. You don't even, like, there's prisons, high security, category A prisons, and they've got drugs in them. You can't even keep the drugs out of there. Good luck with the borders.

It strikes me as like you go, just admit you're not going to win that fight. And what are we going to do? And that best practice of going, well, that's going on in Portugal now. They've done a 15 year test case. We know it works.

I mean Lisbon now, have you been to Lisbon?

Speaker 0: No. You should go to Lisbon.

Speaker 1: Yeah? Food is, I mean, I mean the Portuguese. It's fabulous. Such a great city. Such a great city.

Lisbon and Porto, I mean, I don't really know the rest of Portugal that well, but they're both phenomenal places to play gigs and they love stand-up comedy. It's just a wonderful place.

Speaker 0: Isn't it crazy that that little country was like conquering the world at 1 point in time?

Speaker 1: Sorry, I'm from Great Britain. Hi. Hi. Hi. Yeah, you can't

Speaker 0: do it too.

Speaker 1: We had a great run.

Speaker 0: Wasn't bad.

Speaker 1: I'll tell you what we used to own, this. Sort of. Crazy. Yeah. Crazy, right?

Speaker 0: It is crazy. It's crazy how empires rise and fall. And that's 1 of the things that people are wondering currently about America, if we're in the last throes of a dying empire.

Speaker 1: Well, here's my, I got a hot take on this. Please. I don't think they do. So I don't think the Roman Empire fell. I think it became a church.

I think the, so the Rome fell, but the Roman Empire became the church. Where's all the money from the Roman Empire?

Speaker 0: Vatican

Speaker 1: in the basement of the Vatican is where it is. Yeah, that's that's I don't think the British the Vatican. Yeah, poof It's incredible

Speaker 0: bizarre. It's incredible

Speaker 1: the city within a city

Speaker 0: the wealth The the sheer wealth in art is overwhelming. Yeah. Like St. Peter's Basilica, when I walked in there, I, my mouth was open the entire time I was there. Like, you just can't believe the amount of craftsmanship, the architecture, the art, the painting.

Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you think about culturally what happened, every song, every painting was about God until 100 years ago. And now, every song's about love. I think they're talking about the same thing, but that's me being an old hippie. So, Roman Empire became a church. British Empire became a bank.

So we gave our empire back. We said, oh yeah, sorry about that. You can have that back. We gave Saudi Arabia back and all these other places that we'd sort of taken the resources. And then they had their own money.

And then we went, oh, what are you doing with that money? Because we've got this thing called the City of London. I'll tell you what, it's your money, but we're going to hold it. We'll have it over here. Is that OK?

Yeah, fine, great. So we've still got that thing of like, and culturally, I think, you know, America is, I mean, America's extraordinary. It's an extraordinary place. It's kind of based on this amazing premise. It strikes me that America is, It's better now, objectively, than it has ever been, and subjectively worse than it's ever been.

So you go, the experience, it seems bad, but objectively when you look at the metrics, it's good, so that's kind of Steven Pinker thing. But I mean, subjectivity is important. Like people aren't, people feel like they're at war. And actually this is the land of milk and honey. And I think It's still got a bit of that thing of like the, you know, Austin, Texas maybe has it as much as anywhere.

It's whispering, you know, go and be yourself. The pursuit of happiness. It's still got that kind of, that dream.

Speaker 0: Well, I'm always fascinated how people from other parts of the world see it. That's what's interesting. When someone comes here and they just look around. I had the trigonometry guys here the other day. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Francis and Constantine. And when we were here and we were coming to the club, they were like, mate, this place is incredible. Like, just the freedom that you guys have and the wildness that's in the air. Like, it's so intoxicating and exciting.

Like, this is something, something's really happening here.

Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's that it's a beacon. It's always been a bit of a beacon, America, because it's kind of founded on an idea. And, you know, it's that, the devil's in the detail. I always think of the Statue of Liberty. There's a thing in Paris in the Musee d'Orsay.

There's the model. They made a model of the, because it was crowdfunded, the Statue of Liberty. It was a gift from the people of France to the people of America. Kind of post-revolution. They thought, well, that's a good idea.

We'll get them something nice. We'll get them a nice statue. So they funded it, the French people gave money. And when you see it, when you see the model of the Statue of Liberty, you realize she's not just carrying a torch, she's walking forward. You realize she's moving forward.

And it kind of changes it. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's potential for, I mean, I think America hasn't seen its finest days yet, I would hope.

Speaker 0: I would hope as well.

Speaker 1: I mean, Britain has to find a new place in the world. Brexit and everything happened. We need to find its purpose. I think with people, with nations, with the world, it's like finding purpose is very important. And what's the next purpose going to be?

How are we going to fit in? What's our place going to be?

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