Taken from JRE #1887 w/Maynard James Keenan:
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That was the Terrence McKinney fight, right?

Did you see the Sugar Sean fight the other night?

The look on his face at the end, I was like, he normally runs his mouth pretty good as a good old Arizona boy, but he had that look on his face like, did I win that?

Well he was very honest, he said, I'm gonna have to watch this afterwards to see if I actually won it.

There's a video of Khabib watching the decision and Khabib's like, how?

I wasn't sure because I thought the other guy won.

But I think the bigger takeaway is that he was in it.

Oh, he was certainly in it against Piotr Jan,

who was a former champion, 1 of the best in the division by far, the number 1 contender.

And he definitely hurt Piotr in multiple occasions.

Caught him with that big knee, rocked him.

The question is, how much is the takedown worth?

I assume that when I saw all the takedowns, like, then Yan won.

I mean, and I'm not denying that I thought Piotr Yan won, because I did think he won at the end of it.

But takedowns without damage versus stand up with damage, because Sugar landed more strikes standing and had big moments.

Yon had some big moments too, 1 big left hand that rocked him.

The question is like, how much is the, how valuable are those takedowns?

And how valuable is that top game and that control?

But 1 of the problems is that I feel, and I've said this ad nauseum, but I feel that we're very limited by this 10-9, this 10-point must scoring system.

Because someone can win a round 10-9 and it can be a very close round, and someone can win a round clearly and it can be 10-9.

the system is designed for boxing, and it's a good system for boxing.

I don't think it's a good system for MMA.

I think MMA needs a much more comprehensive system.

Like if a guy can hold you down with no damage at all for 3 minutes, versus a guy who holds you down and damages you for 30 seconds, what's worth more?

You know, what hits you with 3 or 4 good hard shots, is that worth more?

Or is, like, the predominance of a round—like, if you spend the majority of a round on top of a guy, even if you're not damaging him, how much is that worth?

I think we need a much more comprehensive system that it's not 10 point must.

I think it should be a completely different system.

We just sort of adopted the boxing system.

So like the first round of Aljermaine Sterling and TJ Dillashaw, I mean that is a fuckin' dominant round.

Took him down, dominated him, took his back, beat the fuck out of him.

And how could that be better scored with a better system?

It was definitely, I feel like that UFC was probably my top 5 UFCs ever.

Jamie hooked it up from my iPad to a television through an HDMI connection in the o2 arena We're in London.

We just did the show we had no idea what happened Luckily, we got offstage ordered food and Jamie set up the iPad to a big-screen TV that was in the room We're all in there.

I have a Fight Pass membership, but that's how we watched it But it was such a good fight and then Watching Islam and and Charles Oliveira.

That was what a fight that was Islam Makachev must have the most incredible squeeze.

Because you see how quick Charles tapped once he clamped that on him.

He had all the points covered and he just like...

I am, so I was always impressed with him, but I mean, I was saying, leading up to him getting a shot at the world title, he's the boogeyman of that division.

He was the guy that everybody was saying like is the most dominant of all the contenders.

And then when he tapped Dober, that was a big 1.

When he tapped Dan Hooker, that was a big 1 too.

It's like the way he's tapping these guys who are these world class fighters, he's just fucking running through them.

But the fact that he got on Oliveira and mounted him and

then submitted him with an arm triangle head and arm choke like that

Oh, he submitted the guy with the most submissions in the history of the sport And the way he did it was just, he was so fucking methodical and dominant.

I mean, he got out of bad positions in the first round, got back up to his feet, hit him with some good shots, But Makachev, he's the fucking truth.

And interesting that he's gonna fight Volkanovsky next.

That's kind of a crazy thing for Volkanovsky to go right up to


Speaker 0: The Jerogan Experience.

Speaker 1: That was the Terrence McKinney fight, right? Yeah. That was a wild fight.

Speaker 0: It was a good fight.

Speaker 1: Phew, that was a crazy 1. That Terrence McKinney is wild.

Speaker 0: Did you see the Sugar Sean fight the other night? Yes, I did. Yeah. The look on his face at the end, I was like, he normally runs his mouth pretty good as a good old Arizona boy, but he had that look on his face like, did I win that? Did I win?

Like he's...

Speaker 1: Well he was very honest, he said, I'm gonna have to watch this afterwards to see if I actually won it. A lot of people were shocked. Yeah. There's a video of Khabib watching the decision and Khabib's like, how? How?

Speaker 0: Yeah. How? How did he win? How? Yeah, I was right there at 50.

I wasn't sure because I thought the other guy won. But I think the bigger takeaway is that he was in it.

Speaker 1: Oh, he was certainly in it against Piotr Jan,

Speaker 2: who was a former champion, 1 of the best in the division by far, the number 1 contender. It was a very close fight. And he definitely hurt Piotr in multiple occasions. Caught him with that big knee, rocked him. The question is, how much is the takedown worth?

How much is control worth?

Speaker 0: Right. I assume that when I saw all the takedowns, like, then Yan won. Because there's a lot of takedowns.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but takedowns without damage. It's like, what is that value? I mean, and I'm not denying that I thought Piotr Yan won, because I did think he won at the end of it. But takedowns without damage versus stand up with damage, because Sugar landed more strikes standing and had big moments. Yon had some big moments too, 1 big left hand that rocked him.

The question is like, how much is the, how valuable are those takedowns? And how valuable is that top game and that control?

Speaker 0: And that's way out of my, you know.

Speaker 2: The problem, there's several problems. But 1 of the problems is that I feel, and I've said this ad nauseum, but I feel that we're very limited by this 10-9, this 10-point must scoring system. Because someone can win a round 10-9 and it can be a very close round, and someone can win a round clearly and it can be 10-9. Right. And that doesn't make any sense to me.

That's what you

Speaker 0: mean, yeah. And I feel like

Speaker 2: the system is designed for boxing, and it's a good system for boxing. I don't think it's a good system for MMA. I think MMA needs a much more comprehensive system. Like if a guy can hold you down with no damage at all for 3 minutes, versus a guy who holds you down and damages you for 30 seconds, what's worth more? You know, what hits you with 3 or 4 good hard shots, is that worth more?

Or is, like, the predominance of a round—like, if you spend the majority of a round on top of a guy, even if you're not damaging him, how much is that worth? What are, how much is a leg kick worth? How much is a submission worth? Like a submission attempt. I think we need a much more comprehensive system that it's not 10 point must.

I don't think that's the

Speaker 1: right system for MMA. I think it should be a completely different system. We just sort of adopted the boxing system.

Speaker 2: So like the first round of Aljermaine Sterling and TJ Dillashaw, I mean that is a fuckin' dominant round. Like, what is that? Is it a 10-7? Is it a 10-6? I mean, that's an all-Al Jamein round.

He beat

Speaker 1: the shit out of T.J. Dillashaw.

Speaker 2: Took him down, dominated him, took his back, beat the fuck out of him. Like, what is that? How do you score that round? And how could that be better scored with a better system? I think there's definitely room.

Speaker 0: It was definitely, I feel like that UFC was probably my top 5 UFCs ever.

Speaker 2: It was amazing. We watched it. Jamie hooked it up from my iPad to a television through an HDMI connection in the o2 arena We're in London. We just did the show we had no idea what happened Luckily, we got offstage ordered food and Jamie set up the iPad to a big-screen TV that was in the room We're all in there.

Speaker 1: I was like 20 of us in there watching.

Speaker 0: It was fun. Tell Dana credible.

Speaker 2: It was incredible

Speaker 0: He'll sue you

Speaker 2: know he wanted me to link to it. I have a Fight Pass membership, but that's how we watched it But it was such a good fight and then Watching Islam and and Charles Oliveira. That was what a fight that was Islam Makachev must have the most incredible squeeze. His squeeze must be out of this world. Because you see how quick Charles tapped once he clamped that on him.

I mean, poof!

Speaker 0: He had all the points covered and he just like... Yeah,

Speaker 1: That dude is on another level. I mean, I am, he is the truth.

Speaker 2: I am, so I was always impressed with him, but I mean, I was saying, leading up to him getting a shot at the world title, he's the boogeyman of that division. He was the guy that everybody was saying like is the most dominant of all the contenders. And then when he tapped Dober, that was a big 1. When he tapped Dan Hooker, that was a big 1 too. It's like the way he's tapping these guys who are these world class fighters, he's just fucking running through them.

But the fact that he got on Oliveira and mounted him and

Speaker 1: then submitted him with an arm triangle head and arm choke like that

Speaker 0: Yeah, that's a statement.

Speaker 2: Oh, he submitted the guy with the most submissions in the history of the sport And the way he did it was just, he was so fucking methodical and dominant. And Olivera tested him. I mean, he got out of bad positions in the first round, got back up to his feet, hit him with some good shots, But Makachev, he's the fucking truth. And interesting that he's gonna fight Volkanovsky next. That's kind of a crazy thing for Volkanovsky to go right up to

Speaker 0: 55

Speaker 2: from 45. Yeah.

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