Taken from JRE #1966 w/Big Jay Oakerson & Ari Shaffir:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4goX8yHC2kDNVnrDZhZN3f?si=00939719cec34b6f

The Joe Rogan experience that fucking tick-tock ban like what is this actual law?

Yeah, there's nothing to do it's it's all about having power to restrict access to

well first of all they nailed it Adam Curry doesn't think they are Adam Curry's perspective when I talked to him and Adam Curry's brilliant

he said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch And they're trying to block block them out because it's a Chinese owned company and because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data Guess what he goes.

That's exactly what these other companies are doing yeah, they're all scooping up your data Yeah, the idea that your data is going to China is a problem I

it's because China is represents competition, and they developed an app.

Yeah, he's the fucking original podcaster.

Always super like deep in on the internet man like

and so yeah It seems the same seems it's just an app that they're making money off that

but I will say what I've never seen before Cuz Christine my girlfriend is like She's on a non-stop, and I really like that she stops herself now But the fact that you're in a position where you have to stop yourself and like She wait she can't wait for me to go to the bathroom whatever so she could just start seeing more of them And I I'm genuinely afraid To try but I almost like Almost like the same way I want to try crack once like see what all the hubbub is about I want to go on and be like is it getting I'm not into watching bite-sized videos

What it does is it finds what you're into and 1 of the ways I know that is my 12 year old And my 14 year old have fucking completely different feeds.

Like my 12 year old is into like weird facts and strange things.

All kinds of stuff that the 14 year old's not into.

The 14 year old's into like dress up videos.

It's like they're all, people are in a different shit and that's what it'll find your thing.

It's like really good at that, but it's also like super invasive But then the question is how much do we know other than what we found out from Twitter?

How much do we know about like what these other companies are doing?

We can read you and you just sign up for someone's app And then like how about when you're talking about something, and then you see a Google ad for it like what happened there

You can turn that off you can turn that that's actually a function if you go into like Facebook on your phone You can all of them you put turn microphone off.

It's an option So it doesn't do that if you turn the microphone off though the app doesn't do almost anything It makes you almost keep it on the reason I have it on but

That's too far following shopping habits or something it's like maybe that's way too far

What about like an Alexa helps you solve a crime because it was recording or something?

If we didn't know, if this whole thing with Edward Snowden didn't come down, we would, and that was a long time ago if you really stop and think about it we would have no fucking idea that there was a government full-scale surveillance program that was on the American people like on everybody yeah like they could spy on anybody.

They don't have to have warrants anymore They're just they can do whatever they want they can get all your emails all your voicemails Like that is wild shit, and we found out about it because a guy told everybody and then had to hide in Russia

I scrapped 30 billion images from Facebook and other social media sites and gave them to cops.

Oh, so no more of that, they're not in the system.

Look at that, 30 billion images from Facebook and social media sites and gave them to police So now they have your name and your face So if you have a fake ID if you you know you get pulled over They know exactly who you are And they can run that through some fucking computer that has a database Media everything you've ever done

that's so much deeper than DNA evidence because they would say that you know if someone didn't have their DNA And yeah, yeah, you couldn't find some it was their first time My crime and they weren't now you

could be like did you buy a shovel recently

Yeah What is this tik-tok law because people are freaking out about it And that's people are telling me that I have to look into it

confusion is calling it the tik-tok law for the restrict Yeah, it's what it's not listed in there right?

I'm sorry, but it's you know that's like don't say gay bill It never really says don't say gay in any of it.

but that's also kind of how it's being sold to people as like This is what's gonna stop the bad tik-tok stuff right?

It's like hey tik-tok is not mentioned in here So why I won't do that at all

say this so this is what instead of like just going after tick tick-tock.

They're making this sweeping act and The Restrict Act is described as A systematic framework for addressing technology-based threats to the security and safety of Americans.

It grants the Secretary of Commerce the authority to review transactions by certain foreign entities who offer information and communications technologies, products and services in order to identify, investigate and mitigate undue and unacceptable risks to the national security of the United States or its citizens.

This includes, but not limited to, impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy, sabotage or subversion of ICTS in the United States.

Boy, that could be interpreted a lot of ways.

Interference and manipulation of federal elections, Which could mean you're just skeptical or you're gullible and you bought into some conspiracy theories And you're talking about them and instead of just being able to just talk like a nonsense person you you get jacked So it's like yes Undermining the democratic process to steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States.

Like Man, this is all so open to interpretation Like yeah, think of those things impact the country's critical infrastructure in digital economy.

That's easy to do you can impact it What what if you impacted in a positive way like we say it impacted the digital economy like how do they what have you done?

Do you promote a certain coin and it blows up?

Yeah, I mean if you if someone like think about like these Bitcoin guys like If Elon posts a dogecoin image Immediately because dogecoin goes up right doesn't that impact the digital economy, so what does that mean?

What if he says the crypto is bullshit because he believes It well doesn't that impact the digital economy

are they talking about the digital economy that exists now?

Or are they talking about a centralized digital currency was which is what China does

I want to do are they saying that Elon Musk will be illegal for him to don't

know what they're saying the problem is the way that's I mean obviously I'm not a lawyer but the way that's written scroll back down so I could read that the way that's written yeah impact to the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy the end Digital economy is included in there.

So this thing, information, communications, technologies, products or services, right?

Sabotage or subversion of ICTs in the United States,

So it's information Communications technologies products or services.

So in order to identify investigate and mitigate undoing an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States So if you did something that set so subversion So they're saying imagine if you said I think these people are full of shit And I think You know what they're trying to do is gain control the United States And I think we should resist that that would fall and there's

and they're selling it as tick-tock is doing this Tick-tock is diverting our elections or

these countries are the foreign adversaries that may do bad stuff.

So they're like it's a risk that they're going to do something bad with this.

Yeah like they've listed using a VPN as a way to subvert that which would be what a gigantic fine.

VPNs I'm always Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or Sideloading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the act due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid a bad council command induce procure permit or approve Of the doing of any act that violates the orders issued under the act what?

This is creepy This is not good, and I just gotta hope that people wise up and don't pass this does it seem like this is something They're they're passing.

You think there's an order to it where it's like, first we bill China as going after Hong Kong and Taiwan.

Now a business associated with them, we can get rid of that

I mean, the problem is like TikTok zombifies people, so like if you take it away They're gonna revolt.

don't think you have to take it away but I think that act has nothing to do with tick-tock if people have like legitimate concerns that people are abusing and overusing TikTok.

That's a conversation people should have.

It's not because everyone's using it too much.

This is about what they're getting when you use it.

Obviously I'm an idiot, But all that stuff seems very vague when they're reading out like what they can get you for

And that last thing about acts that are listed as impermissible under the act or whatever the fuck the the wording was like what the fuck?

Is you covering all the bases It seems like it's so open to interpretation now imagine if something like that existed during the pandemic Yeah, the beginning of pandemic where people go, you know, I don't know if these fucking masks work, you know Oh, you're you would immediately get that's against the public health.

now we know they don't work So then it was we think that you can still get sick even if you get vaccinated.


Speaker 0: The Joe Rogan experience that fucking tick-tock ban like what is this actual law? Yeah, there's nothing to do it's it's all about having power to restrict access to

Speaker 1: Like a fucking evil

Speaker 0: well first of all they nailed it Adam Curry doesn't think they are Adam Curry's perspective when I talked to him and Adam Curry's brilliant

Speaker 1: You know

Speaker 0: he said he thinks that they're eating tech in America's lunch And they're trying to block block them out because it's a Chinese owned company and because they're saying that China's scooping up all the data Guess what he goes. That's exactly what these other companies are doing yeah, they're all scooping up your data Yeah, the idea that your data is going to China is a problem I

Speaker 1: mean it goes to China like

Speaker 0: it's because China is represents competition, and they developed an app. That's the most addictive app ever

Speaker 2: MTV original VJ

Speaker 1: yeah, that's a

Speaker 2: huge tech guy.

Speaker 0: Yeah, he's the fucking original podcaster. He's the pod father. He's number 1

Speaker 2: It's why yeah, he's a couple things. He was a ground level

Speaker 0: Always super like deep in on the internet man like

Speaker 1: and so yeah It seems the same seems it's just an app that they're making money off that

Speaker 2: but I will say what I've never seen before Cuz Christine my girlfriend is like She's on a non-stop, and I really like that she stops herself now But the fact that you're in a position where you have to stop yourself and like She wait she can't wait for me to go to the bathroom whatever so she could just start seeing more of them And I I'm genuinely afraid To try but I almost like Almost like the same way I want to try crack once like see what all the hubbub is about I want to go on and be like is it getting I'm not into watching bite-sized videos

Speaker 0: What it does is it finds what you're into and 1 of the ways I know that is my 12 year old And my 14 year old have fucking completely different feeds.

Speaker 1: Whoa.

Speaker 0: They talk about it. Like my 12 year old is into like weird facts and strange things. All kinds of stuff that the 14 year old's not into. The 14 year old's into like dress up videos. It's like they're all, people are in a different shit and that's what it'll find your thing.

It's like really good at that, but it's also like super invasive But then the question is how much do we know other than what we found out from Twitter? How much do we know about like what these other companies are doing? We can read you and you just sign up for someone's app And then like how about when you're talking about something, and then you see a Google ad for it like what happened there

Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know by now

Speaker 2: You can turn that off you can turn that that's actually a function if you go into like Facebook on your phone You can all of them you put turn microphone off. It's an option So it doesn't do that if you turn the microphone off though the app doesn't do almost anything It makes you almost keep it on the reason I have it on but

Speaker 0: I hobbles it yeah

Speaker 1: That's too far following shopping habits or something it's like maybe that's way too far

Speaker 2: What about like an Alexa helps you solve a crime because it was recording or something? I

Speaker 0: hate that. If we didn't know, if this whole thing with Edward Snowden didn't come down, we would, and that was a long time ago if you really stop and think about it we would have no fucking idea that there was a government full-scale surveillance program that was on the American people like on everybody yeah like they could spy on anybody. They don't have to have warrants anymore They're just they can do whatever they want they can get all your emails all your voicemails Like that is wild shit, and we found out about it because a guy told everybody and then had to hide in Russia

Speaker 1: Damn, it's crazy.

Speaker 0: I scrapped 30 billion images from Facebook and other social media sites and gave them to cops. Oh my God. Yeah, the background stuff.

Speaker 1: Puts them into

Speaker 0: a perpetual police lineup.

Speaker 2: Oh, so no more of that, they're not in the system. They're not in the system.

Speaker 0: Look at that, 30 billion images from Facebook and social media sites and gave them to police So now they have your name and your face So if you have a fake ID if you you know you get pulled over They know exactly who you are And they can run that through some fucking computer that has a database Media everything you've ever done

Speaker 2: that's so much deeper than DNA evidence because they would say that you know if someone didn't have their DNA And yeah, yeah, you couldn't find some it was their first time My crime and they weren't now you

Speaker 1: could be like did you buy a shovel recently

Speaker 0: you're in the system?

Speaker 2: If you have a phone

Speaker 0: Yeah What is this tik-tok law because people are freaking out about it And that's people are telling me that I have to look into it

Speaker 3: confusion is calling it the tik-tok law for the restrict Yeah, it's what it's not listed in there right?

Speaker 0: I'm sorry, but it's you know that's like don't say gay bill It never really says don't say gay in any of it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I was a misleading 1

Speaker 0: Yeah, it's very misleading,

Speaker 3: but that's also kind of how it's being sold to people as like This is what's gonna stop the bad tik-tok stuff right? It's like hey tik-tok is not mentioned in here So why I won't do that at all

Speaker 1: So what does it

Speaker 0: say this so this is what instead of like just going after tick tick-tock. They're making this sweeping act and The Restrict Act is described as A systematic framework for addressing technology-based threats to the security and safety of Americans. That sounds ominous. It grants the Secretary of Commerce the authority to review transactions by certain foreign entities who offer information and communications technologies, products and services in order to identify, investigate and mitigate undue and unacceptable risks to the national security of the United States or its citizens. This includes, but not limited to, impact the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy, sabotage or subversion of ICTS in the United States.

Boy, that could be interpreted a lot of ways. Interference and manipulation of federal elections, Which could mean you're just skeptical or you're gullible and you bought into some conspiracy theories And you're talking about them and instead of just being able to just talk like a nonsense person you you get jacked So it's like yes Undermining the democratic process to steer policy and regulatory decisions in favor of the strategic objectives of a foreign adversary to the detriment of the national security of the United States. Like Man, this is all so open to interpretation Like yeah, think of those things impact the country's critical infrastructure in digital economy. That's easy to do you can impact it What what if you impacted in a positive way like we say it impacted the digital economy like how do they what have you done? Do you promote a certain coin and it blows up?

Yeah, I mean if you if someone like think about like these Bitcoin guys like If Elon posts a dogecoin image Immediately because dogecoin goes up right doesn't that impact the digital economy, so what does that mean? What if he says the crypto is bullshit because he believes It well doesn't that impact the digital economy

Speaker 1: that they could arrest them and

Speaker 0: are they talking about the digital economy that exists now? Or are they talking about a centralized digital currency was which is what China does

Speaker 2: is that what they're saying? I want to do are they saying that Elon Musk will be illegal for him to don't

Speaker 0: know what they're saying the problem is the way that's I mean obviously I'm not a lawyer but the way that's written scroll back down so I could read that the way that's written yeah impact to the country's critical infrastructure and digital economy the end Digital economy is included in there. Like, what does that mean?

Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never made money digitally.

Speaker 0: Yeah. But look at this. So this thing, information, communications, technologies, products or services, right? So this is this is ICTS. Sabotage or subversion of ICTs in the United States,

Speaker 1: what's I see TS again?

Speaker 0: So it's information Communications technologies products or services. All right

Speaker 1: Okay

Speaker 0: So in order to identify investigate and mitigate undoing an unacceptable risk to the national security of the United States So if you did something that set so subversion So they're saying imagine if you said I think these people are full of shit And I think You know what they're trying to do is gain control the United States And I think we should resist that that would fall and there's

Speaker 1: and they're selling it as tick-tock is doing this Tick-tock is diverting our elections or

Speaker 0: They're not even selling it that way

Speaker 3: these countries are the foreign adversaries that may do bad stuff.

Speaker 1: So they're like it's a risk that they're going to do something bad with this.

Speaker 3: Yeah like they've listed using a VPN as a way to subvert that which would be what a gigantic fine. Oh 20 years in prison.

Speaker 1: What to use a VPN here. Oh, how do you steal imagine?

Speaker 0: VPNs I'm always Potentially criminalizing the use of a VPN service or Sideloading to access services blocked from doing business in the United States under the act due to the text stating that no person may cause or aid a bad council command induce procure permit or approve Of the doing of any act that violates the orders issued under the act what?

Speaker 1: I was so confused bro.

Speaker 0: They're trying to gain more power. This is creepy This is not good, and I just gotta hope that people wise up and don't pass this does it seem like this is something They're they're passing.

Speaker 3: I don't know that it's gotten that far. I know it's been proposed.

Speaker 1: You think there's an order to it where it's like, first we bill China as going after Hong Kong and Taiwan. Now we see them as the enemy. Now a business associated with them, we can get rid of that

Speaker 0: now. Yeah, I don't know, man.

Speaker 2: I mean, the problem is like TikTok zombifies people, so like if you take it away They're gonna revolt.

Speaker 1: Yeah, they want I

Speaker 0: don't think you have to take it away but I think that act has nothing to do with tick-tock if people have like legitimate concerns that people are abusing and overusing TikTok. That's a conversation people should have.

Speaker 2: Sure.

Speaker 0: But if this, this is not that. It's not because of that.

Speaker 1: It's not because everyone's using it too much.

Speaker 2: This is about what they're getting when you use it.

Speaker 0: Yeah. All that stuff seemed very vague to me. Obviously I'm an idiot, But all that stuff seems very vague when they're reading out like what they can get you for

Speaker 1: yeah

Speaker 0: And that last thing about acts that are listed as impermissible under the act or whatever the fuck the the wording was like what the fuck? Is you covering all the bases It seems like it's so open to interpretation now imagine if something like that existed during the pandemic Yeah, the beginning of pandemic where people go, you know, I don't know if these fucking masks work, you know Oh, you're you would immediately get that's against the public health. That's against that. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly

Speaker 2: the trouble They're saying

Speaker 0: now we know they don't work So then it was we think that you can still get sick even if you get vaccinated. Immediately.

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The Overreach of theTikTok Bill