Taken from JRE #1976 w/James Fox:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3m0plaie1wKBvAFJYnjIaz?si=65e56f4d8f144e89

So we're following and pleading with him all the way out there.

He gets in the car, doors open, he looks up and the only reason why I'm telling you this is because he died.

He looks up at Marco and I and he goes it happened close the door and off he went now the reason why I share that is because That's not something that I can put any weight on for the documentary for people like you right but as a personal message for me knowing that level of validation on the inside, it kept us going.

It was like, okay, why on earth would he have done that?

And that kept Marco and I going, and that was a personal level of validation that...

Is there any Conventional explanation why the military shut everything down why they had military barricades set up around that area

No, they did try to say that the creature was this guy who's like got like some deformities But I've seen the guy Modine or something like that, but you talked to the witnesses Oh,

Yeah, I know down because of the form it is And

then for the doctors in the hospital, they said there was like a midget having a baby or something weird just something that was just so ridiculous It was like and you talked to the witnesses, and they're just like oh come on I'm not gonna you know that's laughable at best.

You know I mean these girls Came within 8 to 10 feet 3 3 women Katya 2 sisters Liliani and Valkyria 14 16 and 21 they got within 8 to 10 feet in broad daylight of this creature.

And 1 of the things that doesn't come across in the film, when they saw this thing, they're looking like, what are we looking at here?

They're walking through this field and it's up against a cinderblock wall and 1 of them looking at it.

Is that it's what is that and it was crouched by the wall.

It was weak and feeble and 1 of them kind of like screeched now like what is that and it turned and it looked right at the girls locked eyes on him Liliana grabs her younger daughter to her younger sister who's 14 Valkyria and makes a high tails it out of there Katya is 21.

She's frozen in her tracks locked eyes with this creature and it's communicating with her.

It's weak and it's feeble and it's scared and it's crouched down Liliani realizes that Katya is back there.

She gets, I don't know, 100 feet down the path.

She leaves her sister, stay here, I'm going back to get Katya.

And I asked Katya, and I asked all the girls, During that moment of contact, when you lock eyes, I know it's only a brief second, but during that moment of contact, what did you feel?

That's where the title comes from, moment of contact, because that was when they locked eyes on this creature.

And that's when Katya said, help me, I'm scared.

And these girls have been saying the same thing.

It's the first time I'd ever reported on these so-called, like, men in dark suits that show up and intimidate witnesses.

Honestly, I've been hearing about those cases for so many times, but I've avoided them because it's got so much baggage from men in black.

I just didn't even want to be associated with it.

I can go until tomorrow morning with the amount of cases, with generals too.

But this time, when the mother said that these men showed up and tried to get the daughters to say they were lying and offered Her a briefcase full $100 bills And they could relocate I don't know for some reason I said okay for the first time in 25 years I'm gonna report on these guys And I did and it's in the movie you can hear the mother talking about it And she's so emotional and the mother came back to the location right after happened the smell that stench And the footprint on the ground I mean everybody talks about that stench that was so they said if you ever take like a a skunk multiply that by like a hundred thousand that would give you some indication of the level of like how putrid and nasty was paralyzing and it stayed in like it stayed in the areas like at the hospitals when they did the x-rays and Everybody talks about it that stench.

There's unbelievable like it fills your navel cavities and doesn't leave for a week It was incredible and then they all said the same thing

They couldn't get it out Yeah They sanitized the hospital that the guy said that he had to close off that wing of the hospital while they were sanitizing it because it was so intense.

You know, so I, I, how long did it last for?

I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people.

And even the mother said when she, when she went to where the creature was, She said that the stench, even there, after the creature was gone, got in her nasal cavities and she tried to flush it out with water and saline or whatever, and she couldn't get it out of her nasal cavities.

I mean, everybody talked about that stench, you know?

I mean, the military officer, The guy that drove the creature around I was sitting across from him you can't see his face But

I did and I'm looking at this guy in the eyes I'm thinking I could be looking at a guy that drove a fucking alien around You have no idea dude You have not

When I came back from that trip people were like how was your trip to Brazil what was it like man they got great you know smoothies and coffee and I'm just like you guys have no idea I think I think an alien spaceship crashed and they recover live aliens and

we made contact and the Americans came in that's what I'm thinking about so I told a couple people on the last trip I came back I was just like I was so rocked I couldn't re I couldn't reintegrate back into culture it was Joe I was just like fuck I think this happened

It's the biggest story ever so people were asking me Even my neighbor who runs like the he runs that make-a-wish foundation.

He was like James he goes Bro, I like you a lot.

I got a lot of respect for you, but you lost me on this 1 And

I really don't but listen to the witnesses just that's all I say just and And I would tell people and I realized I can't talk about it All I can say is just listen to the witnesses, don't take it from me.

But I'm looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe, and I've been at this for 30 years.

I've made almost, I'm working on my seventh film right now.

I'm looking this guy in the eyes and I'm like, this guy probably drove an alien around and it tripped me out so hard and it ruined his life he's To get this guy to go on camera just like a week earlier He was like oh, I don't care all the money in the world.

I'm never coming forward the risks are too high.

Because you're harboring the secret you're being watched You're being told not to ever talk about this and you're looking over your shoulder all the time And they call you the military calls you periodically they want to know where you are.

And he's got this secret inside him that he can't tell the rest of the world.

And he's thinking about all the different, everyone's out there speculating, is it real, is it fake, is it real, is it fake?

Just think about that for a second think about the doctor who took the x-rays of this thing Marco Leal Thank You Marco.

You're the man Marco Leal found him 8 years ago, and he was like He confirmed the story.

He was still working at Regional Hospital.

I'll never come forward Marco kept going every year back and forth then he retired and 4 years after retired.

He agreed to meet with us He wasn't even sure he was gonna go on and I said look man.

We'll put you will film you from the back We'll disguise your voice showed his photographs of him at the hospital We know we've he's been we've been trying to get at him Excuse me at the end of the interview He's to thank you I feel so much better I've been shouldering that burden for 26 years

and I've so desperately wanted to tell somebody to share that story with the rest of

earth they didn't come to us they're not trying to sell their story we tracked them down and Begged and pleaded with them to come forward when I found Martha the sister of the deceased military officer Marco Chavez We were knocking on doors.

I remember the sound guy from from Rio de Janeiro.

He was like you're out of your mind What are you doing?

I was like, man, if there's a will, there's a way.

And it was like this kinda, kinda sketchy area.

You know, it's like when you, when you get out of your car and you could see, like, people drawing the curtains back and looking at you and you're standing out, like...

Dude, I stood out like a sore thumb man, and then we walked up And I had Marco with me.

of sketchy and Marta appears and her husband appears in this big She's a big guy and he's got like a white beater shirt on and he looks like he wants to rip my head off And I'm like and she's looking at me And he's just looking at her going Marta's looking Marta's looking at her husband and her husband's looking at March.

I'll kill this guy That's the fucking and I was looking at Marco And I was like James you need to think quick think quick on your feet right now And I said immediately please translate this I'm here to give your brother justice.

I'm here to get the story out, please Talk to me And we developed a relationship with her slowly over that.

And those were the first words that we exchanged.

And we eventually got her to come forward and we talked.

She'd gone forward in the past, but she doesn't know who the hell I am.

When you talked to the doctor, what did he describe?

He said that it was a normal day, January 1996, it was a regional hospital.

It was every day and all of a sudden all these military trucks and police cars showed up at the hospital.

They come in armed and they got a bag, they got a thing in a black body bag

and he was like hell's going on here there are you

gonna be taking some x-rays and he's like okay and they had Him inside and they had armed grubs and I was asking him like what was it like cuz I when I when I interview witnesses I always want them I always ask them to project like I sometimes I'll even close my eyes because I'll use their words to recreate So I'm like living it through them.

So I'll close my eyes and I'll recreate the scenes in my head with their words right it's harder in Portuguese because I'm having to get it translated But I asked questions like what was the atmosphere like do was there any talking no talking?

Super tense atmosphere very tense armed guards on the outside armed guards on the inside, military trucks running.

And he said, first time in the history of my career, I took the x-rays and I couldn't even verify that they were good because they took him immediately And then they said this event never happened He said the stench note in the in the hospital was overwhelming and he goes through the different x-rays that he took the abdomen the head the arms the legs the thorax I you know and It was incredible in fact uber to Jada Rodriguez if you're listening to this he's 1 of the leading researchers has gone quiet Pekicini disappeared for 20 years he came

did he get to see images himself did he get to see the body himself?

Oh, he saw that he was right well They didn't open the body bag, but he was he was he said the stench was just overwhelming

he didn't get to see the X-ray images or anything?

Nope, they wouldn't let him see a damn thing.

Roger Lear found out, These are people that I really want to meet.

I mean, people are coming forward in droves right now.

We just got 2 forensic pathologists for the first time ever working together to come forward and make statements, and they're providing documentation of the autopsy reports done on the deceased military officer.

That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward.

what happened to people who haven't watched the documentary to

Yeah, so right after the 3 girls came within 8 to 10 feet of this creature or being or entity or ET, whatever you want to call it.

About an hour later, it was about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, I would say probably maybe around 5 o'clock, there were 2 military guys on patrol on the lookout for something unusual is what they were told.

They were on the lookout for something highly unusual.

And it was Eric Lopes at the wheel and Marco Chiresi, military police, in the passenger seat.

They were about a block and a half to 2 blocks away from where the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier.

And this thing runs across the car in front of him.

He had slammed his brakes on and without a moment's hesitation, Marco Churiz jumps out of the car and grabs the thing with his bare hands.

He puts it in the backseat and they drive it to a clinic and the doctor is like what the hell is that?

Get it out of here I don't know what you know leave.

So then went to regional hospital and then ultimately it went to Humanitas Hospital and so we have testimony from Military X that when he drove it from Humanitas Hospital, It's in the movie, but he drove it from Humanitas Hospital to, as a military base, where it spent the night in the truck for 1 night, and then it went from there to Esposix Campinas.

It's where all the intellectual, scientific heavyweights reside.

And then it was there, I think, under examination, according to the witnesses that we talked to, for a day or 2, and that's when the Americans flew in to Campinas.

And we have the radar military control officer who came forward last year, actually 2 years ago, when we were there filming for the last time his name is Marco Fetis F-E-R-E-S and he came forward for the first time and said yeah in January of 1996 this plane came in USAF he kept calling it United States Air Force came in it didn't have the authorization of the Brazilian government.

And some higher ups stepped into the room.

He said some higher up came in the room and said, let it land.

And then from Campinas, 2 helicopters, according to him, flew to Varginha, Brazil, Varginha, back to Campinas.

Then they loaded something on the airplane and then off to the United States.


Speaker 0: The Jorogun experience.

Speaker 1: So we're following and pleading with him all the way out there. Please just tell us, please. I swear on my life this happened. He gets in the car, doors open, he looks up and the only reason why I'm telling you this is because he died. He looks up at Marco and I and he goes it happened close the door and off he went now the reason why I share that is because That's not something that I can put any weight on for the documentary for people like you right but as a personal message for me knowing that level of validation on the inside, it kept us going.

It was like, okay, why on earth would he have done that? Why on earth would he say? And that kept Marco and I going, and that was a personal level of validation that...

Speaker 0: Is there any Conventional explanation why the military shut everything down why they had military barricades set up around that area

Speaker 1: No, they did try to say that the creature was this guy who's like got like some deformities But I've seen the guy Modine or something like that, but you talked to the witnesses Oh,

Speaker 0: how would the why would the military? Yeah, I know down because of the form it is And

Speaker 1: then for the doctors in the hospital, they said there was like a midget having a baby or something weird just something that was just so ridiculous It was like and you talked to the witnesses, and they're just like oh come on I'm not gonna you know that's laughable at best. You know I mean these girls Came within 8 to 10 feet 3 3 women Katya 2 sisters Liliani and Valkyria 14 16 and 21 they got within 8 to 10 feet in broad daylight of this creature. And 1 of the things that doesn't come across in the film, when they saw this thing, they're looking like, what are we looking at here? They're walking through this field and it's up against a cinderblock wall and 1 of them looking at it. Is that it's what is that and it was crouched by the wall.

It was weak and feeble and 1 of them kind of like screeched now like what is that and it turned and it looked right at the girls locked eyes on him Liliana grabs her younger daughter to her younger sister who's 14 Valkyria and makes a high tails it out of there Katya is 21. She's frozen in her tracks locked eyes with this creature and it's communicating with her. Please help me I'm he wants help. It's weak. It's weak and it's feeble and it's scared and it's crouched down Liliani realizes that Katya is back there.

She gets, I don't know, 100 feet down the path. She leaves her sister, stay here, I'm going back to get Katya. She runs back. And I asked Katya, and I asked all the girls, During that moment of contact, when you lock eyes, I know it's only a brief second, but during that moment of contact, what did you feel? Like put me there.

That's where the title comes from, moment of contact, because that was when they locked eyes on this creature. And that's when Katya said, help me, I'm scared. And it was feeble and suffering. And it's a very powerful moment. And these girls have been saying the same thing.

The mother. It's the first time I'd ever reported on these so-called, like, men in dark suits that show up and intimidate witnesses. Honestly, I've been hearing about those cases for so many times, but I've avoided them because it's got so much baggage from men in black. It just, it's just ridiculous. I just didn't even want to be associated with it.

But I'd heard it. I can go on until I'm blue in the face. I can go until tomorrow morning with the amount of cases, with generals too. But this time, when the mother said that these men showed up and tried to get the daughters to say they were lying and offered Her a briefcase full $100 bills And they could relocate I don't know for some reason I said okay for the first time in 25 years I'm gonna report on these guys And I did and it's in the movie you can hear the mother talking about it And she's so emotional and the mother came back to the location right after happened the smell that stench And the footprint on the ground I mean everybody talks about that stench that was so they said if you ever take like a a skunk multiply that by like a hundred thousand that would give you some indication of the level of like how putrid and nasty was paralyzing and it stayed in like it stayed in the areas like at the hospitals when they did the x-rays and Everybody talks about it that stench. There's unbelievable like it fills your navel cavities and doesn't leave for a week It was incredible and then they all said the same thing

Speaker 0: and they couldn't get it out.

Speaker 1: They couldn't get it out Yeah They sanitized the hospital that the guy said that he had to close off that wing of the hospital while they were sanitizing it because it was so intense. You know, so I, I, how long did it last for? I heard days and weeks is what I heard from people. And even the mother said when she, when she went to where the creature was, She said that the stench, even there, after the creature was gone, got in her nasal cavities and she tried to flush it out with water and saline or whatever, and she couldn't get it out of her nasal cavities. Really crazy.

But they all did. I mean, everybody talked about that stench, you know? I mean, the military officer, The guy that drove the creature around I was sitting across from him you can't see his face But

Speaker 2: I did and I'm looking at this guy in the eyes I'm thinking I could be looking at a guy that drove a fucking alien around You have no idea dude You have not

Speaker 1: how did he just cry so fucking it?

Speaker 2: When I came back from that trip people were like how was your trip to Brazil what was it like man they got great you know smoothies and coffee and I'm just like you guys have no idea I think I think an alien spaceship crashed and they recover live aliens and

Speaker 1: we made contact and the Americans came in that's what I'm thinking about so I told a couple people on the last trip I came back I was just like I was so rocked I couldn't re I couldn't reintegrate back into culture it was Joe I was just like fuck I think this happened

Speaker 2: It's the biggest story ever so people were asking me Even my neighbor who runs like the he runs that make-a-wish foundation. He was like James he goes Bro, I like you a lot. I got a lot of respect for you, but you lost me on this 1 And

Speaker 1: I was like, I don't blame you, bro. I really don't but listen to the witnesses just that's all I say just and And I would tell people and I realized I can't talk about it All I can say is just listen to the witnesses, don't take it from me. But I'm looking at that guy in the eyes, Joe, and I've been at this for 30 years. I've made almost, I'm working on my seventh film right now. I'm looking this guy in the eyes and I'm like, this guy probably drove an alien around and it tripped me out so hard and it ruined his life he's To get this guy to go on camera just like a week earlier He was like oh, I don't care all the money in the world.

I'm never coming forward the risks are too high.

Speaker 0: How did it ruin his life?

Speaker 1: Because you're harboring the secret you're being watched You're being told not to ever talk about this and you're looking over your shoulder all the time And they call you the military calls you periodically they want to know where you are. And he's got this secret inside him that he can't tell the rest of the world. And he's thinking about all the different, everyone's out there speculating, is it real, is it fake, is it real, is it fake? And this guy drove a body around. Just think about that for a second think about the doctor who took the x-rays of this thing Marco Leal Thank You Marco.

You're the man Marco Leal found him 8 years ago, and he was like He confirmed the story. He was still working at Regional Hospital. He goes. I'll never come forward Marco kept going every year back and forth then he retired and 4 years after retired. He agreed to meet with us He wasn't even sure he was gonna go on and I said look man.

We'll put you will film you from the back We'll disguise your voice showed his photographs of him at the hospital We know we've he's been we've been trying to get at him Excuse me at the end of the interview He's to thank you I feel so much better I've been shouldering that burden for 26 years

Speaker 2: and I've so desperately wanted to tell somebody to share that story with the rest of

Speaker 1: the world and you meet these people

Speaker 2: and you think why on

Speaker 1: earth they didn't come to us they're not trying to sell their story we tracked them down and Begged and pleaded with them to come forward when I found Martha the sister of the deceased military officer Marco Chavez We were knocking on doors. I remember the sound guy from from Rio de Janeiro. He was like you're out of your mind What are you doing? Can't just knock on random doors. I was like, man, if there's a will, there's a way.

I'm gonna find this lady. And we found her. And it was like this kinda, kinda sketchy area. You know, it's like when you, when you get out of your car and you could see, like, people drawing the curtains back and looking at you and you're standing out, like... Dude, I stood out like a sore thumb man, and then we walked up And I had Marco with me.

Thank God night. We had camera crews and stuff.

Speaker 0: It's kind

Speaker 1: of sketchy and Marta appears and her husband appears in this big She's a big guy and he's got like a white beater shirt on and he looks like he wants to rip my head off And I'm like and she's looking at me And he's just looking at her going Marta's looking Marta's looking at her husband and her husband's looking at March. I like give me the signal. I'll kill this guy That's the fucking and I was looking at Marco And I was like James you need to think quick think quick on your feet right now And I said immediately please translate this I'm here to give your brother justice. I'm here to get the story out, please Talk to me And we developed a relationship with her slowly over that. And those were the first words that we exchanged.

And we eventually got her to come forward and we talked. She'd gone forward in the past, but she doesn't know who the hell I am.

Speaker 0: I want to take you back to the doctor. Okay. When you talked to the doctor, what did he describe?

Speaker 1: He said that it was a normal day, January 1996, it was a regional hospital. It was every day and all of a sudden all these military trucks and police cars showed up at the hospital. They come in armed and they got a bag, they got a thing in a black body bag

Speaker 2: and he was like hell's going on here there are you

Speaker 1: gonna be taking some x-rays and he's like okay and they had Him inside and they had armed grubs and I was asking him like what was it like cuz I when I when I interview witnesses I always want them I always ask them to project like I sometimes I'll even close my eyes because I'll use their words to recreate So I'm like living it through them. You know, I mean, mm-hmm. So I'll close my eyes and I'll recreate the scenes in my head with their words right it's harder in Portuguese because I'm having to get it translated But I asked questions like what was the atmosphere like do was there any talking no talking? Super tense atmosphere very tense armed guards on the outside armed guards on the inside, military trucks running. Nobody comes, nobody goes.

And he said, first time in the history of my career, I took the x-rays and I couldn't even verify that they were good because they took him immediately And then they said this event never happened He said the stench note in the in the hospital was overwhelming and he goes through the different x-rays that he took the abdomen the head the arms the legs the thorax I you know and It was incredible in fact uber to Jada Rodriguez if you're listening to this he's 1 of the leading researchers has gone quiet Pekicini disappeared for 20 years he came

Speaker 0: did he get to see images himself did he get to see the body himself?

Speaker 1: Oh, he saw that he was right well They didn't open the body bag, but he was he was he said the stench was just overwhelming

Speaker 0: So they x-rayed it through the body

Speaker 1: bags rated through the body bag

Speaker 0: So he never got to see did

Speaker 1: not see the alien And

Speaker 0: he didn't get to see the X-ray images or anything?

Speaker 1: Nope, they wouldn't let him see a damn thing. Nope. Now, there were 2 doctors. There was a guy named Roger Lear. Roger Lear found out, These are people that I really want to meet.

I mean, people are coming forward in droves right now. We just got 2 forensic pathologists for the first time ever working together to come forward and make statements, and they're providing documentation of the autopsy reports done on the deceased military officer. That's the first time ever these guys are coming forward. It's happening right now. Let's explain

Speaker 0: what happened to people who haven't watched the documentary to

Speaker 1: the deceased military officer. Yeah, so right after the 3 girls came within 8 to 10 feet of this creature or being or entity or ET, whatever you want to call it. About an hour later, it was about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, I would say probably maybe around 5 o'clock, there were 2 military guys on patrol on the lookout for something unusual is what they were told. They didn't tell you a UFO had crashed. They were on the lookout for something highly unusual.

And it was Eric Lopes at the wheel and Marco Chiresi, military police, in the passenger seat. They were about a block and a half to 2 blocks away from where the girls had seen the creature a couple of hours earlier. And this thing runs across the car in front of him. He had slammed his brakes on and without a moment's hesitation, Marco Churiz jumps out of the car and grabs the thing with his bare hands. Yeah.

He puts it in the backseat and they drive it to a clinic and the doctor is like what the hell is that? Get it out of here I don't know what you know leave. So then went to regional hospital and then ultimately it went to Humanitas Hospital and so we have testimony from Military X that when he drove it from Humanitas Hospital, It's in the movie, but he drove it from Humanitas Hospital to, as a military base, where it spent the night in the truck for 1 night, and then it went from there to Esposix Campinas. It's like a university. It's where all the intellectual, scientific heavyweights reside.

And then it was there, I think, under examination, according to the witnesses that we talked to, for a day or 2, and that's when the Americans flew in to Campinas. And we have the radar military control officer who came forward last year, actually 2 years ago, when we were there filming for the last time his name is Marco Fetis F-E-R-E-S and he came forward for the first time and said yeah in January of 1996 this plane came in USAF he kept calling it United States Air Force came in it didn't have the authorization of the Brazilian government. He was like, this thing can't land. And some higher ups stepped into the room. This is all, this is his testimony.

I'm just relaying what he said. He said some higher up came in the room and said, let it land. And it came and it landed at Campinas. And then from Campinas, 2 helicopters, according to him, flew to Varginha, Brazil, Varginha, back to Campinas. Then they loaded something on the airplane and then off to the United States.

And that's where the case goes cold.

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