Taken from JRE #1994 w/Theo Von:
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In fact they say that exercise is 1 and a half times more effective than SSRIs for curing depression.

I'll take, if I take my, because I take SSRIs and I do exercise.

If I take my SSRI I don't feel really anything, I just feel like, oh, I took my SSRI.

But if I go for a run, like even today, I had to go run a couple miles, I was like, I know I'm gonna be on here, I wanna have, I wanna like, just be in like my, I wanna have my good energy going, I'm gonna go for a run, you know, and so, yeah, I think it, I know that it makes me feel better if I do something athletic.

I think the generic 1 whatever the cheaper 1 is You know I think it's I don't know what it is, but it is They say it's fine You know So I don't know if I believe him, but I mean I'm fucking taking it now I would like to tell I would like to maybe take 30 days off and try ayahuasca again

I feel like I'm getting back around where I would like to do it again You know yeah, yeah I would man cuz I want to fucking feel I'm gonna be right up there on nature's mmm.

I'll be in there eavesdropping on nature's nuts boy.

mother nature you be she'll break out that wiener and you'll be like damn I don't know mother nature had

It's powerful dude that ayahuasca stuff is real powerful, so I would like to do that again

Do what is what is the reason why you take the SSRIs I?

Think cuz when I'm off of them something feels wrong.

It's a battle to, even if I do running and I do fitness, right, it's a battle to keep myself even.

So instead of dealing with that at a more intense level, I choose to take them because it just makes it a little bit easier.

I don't think it's taken the easy way out though because if I don't take them and I still do all those things, it's hard for me to get to a good baseline.

Like, when you say you feel wrong, what does it feel like?

I feel like at any moment, kind of, my feelings can just drop off into like a really surprised low.

Sometimes with a little bit of motivation to it right or some trigger But it's it amid the level that it drops off to it's too much of a drop For me to not get some help if we're a little bit and it felt manageable.

But when it's pretty steep, it's like oh man this feels sometimes scary

But it's gotten Doing that ayahuasca stuff made it a lot Better than it had ever been

Neil Brennan said it basically cured him.

It cured him of a lot of what he felt like were personality disorders that he had.

Like Neil's a great guy, but he's very, very smart.

And sometimes I wonder about real smart guys, they're just always thinking about things and maybe too much about certain things.

And you just get overwhelmed by thoughts and anxiety and emotions and anxiety is a lot of what anxiety a lot of is fretting about possibilities for a lot of people you know it's the inability to live in the moment And you fret about anxiety and a lot of it has to do with childhood trauma a lot of it has to do with genetics A lot of anxiety is a weird thing like they think that anxiety whether it's a learned behavior or not You can actually get it from your parents.

that can you get anxiety is anxiety genetic Google that

my mom made us anxious Yeah, yeah, dude sometimes my mom we go get ice cream dude and she would like She's like if she'd get angry if we she'd get so angry if we dripped any of it.

There's clear Research showing that anxiety is influenced by genetics in fact Experts notice a family connection for anxiety even before they understood how DNA or genes work Have you have a close relative with anxiety your chance of developing is about 2 to 6 times higher than if you don't

well I don't know if that's genetic or if it's just like it's behavior Yeah If your mom is always or your dad is always like Bob They're fucking anxious and you're right if they come over and they're always fucking tickling you then you're gonna fucking feel tickled all the

Yeah something you know bugging you or something even just tickling you with their words.

Yeah genetics of generalized anxiety disorder and related traits.

There's a lot of people that are mentally ill and their children are mentally ill or their families mentally ill or you know it's like it's man I used to have a much more ignorant view on mental health because I have my own mental health issues which I'm sure we all do but mine was like Just don't be a pussy get your work done you feel great And I don't have to take anything and even though I don't have to take anything.

I'm still doing something to mitigate it I'm doing something every day to work on it, and when I don't I do feel it right like a lot of people do so I always wonder maybe Those people just aren't doing the work maybe they if they just got up in the morning went running before work or did something before Maybe they could get through this and not need a fucking pill.

Interesting yeah, I think it's I think yeah, there's times where I thought that I'm just not tough enough.

I'm just not yeah doing enough I'm not I'm not enough to battle this right

and and then I get to a point where so many times I tried to stop taking it it's like it's too much of a discrepancy that makes Things unmanageable to a point where it feels like it's unfair to be that unmanageable to myself.

So I get back on it, you know, and and I don't think it really bothers me or anything like that, but Yeah, it's kind of the same with alcoholism.

Like I thought alcoholism used to just be like somebody couldn't stop drinking or whatever.

I mean, alcoholism is the only disease that will tell you you don't have the disease, right?

That's cr- like imagine if you put on like A shirt, right?

But every couple days a shirt was like, guess what?

I don't know if it is, but it seems like it.

Because alcoholism would tell you you don't have a problem.


Speaker 0: The Jorogen Experience.

Speaker 1: In fact they say that exercise is 1 and a half times more effective than SSRIs for curing depression.

Speaker 0: Oh in a heartbeat man. I'll take, if I take my, because I take SSRIs and I do exercise. If I take my SSRI I don't feel really anything, I just feel like, oh, I took my SSRI. But if I go for a run, like even today, I had to go run a couple miles, I was like, I know I'm gonna be on here, I wanna have, I wanna like, just be in like my, I wanna have my good energy going, I'm gonna go for a run, you know, and so, yeah, I think it, I know that it makes me feel better if I do something athletic. You know

Speaker 1: what SSR Are you taking

Speaker 0: I think I'm on Lexapro right now. I think the generic 1 whatever the cheaper 1 is You know I think it's I don't know what it is, but it is They say it's fine You know So I don't know if I believe him, but I mean I'm fucking taking it now I would like to tell I would like to maybe take 30 days off and try ayahuasca again

Speaker 1: mmm.

Speaker 0: I feel like I'm getting back around where I would like to do it again You know yeah, yeah I would man cuz I want to fucking feel I'm gonna be right up there on nature's mmm. I'll be in there eavesdropping on nature's nuts boy. Yeah, I'll be right up there.

Speaker 2: Yeah, would you say boy?

Speaker 0: She didn't eavesdrop on nature

Speaker 1: right up next to it.

Speaker 0: Oh, do you know

Speaker 1: in it?

Speaker 0: Oh ayahuasca? Do you fucking

Speaker 2: mother nature you be she'll break out that wiener and you'll be like damn I don't know mother nature had

Speaker 0: a wiener you know other

Speaker 1: than they just got everything

Speaker 0: It's powerful dude that ayahuasca stuff is real powerful, so I would like to do that again

Speaker 1: Do what is what is the reason why you take the SSRIs I?

Speaker 0: Think cuz when I'm off of them something feels wrong. I feel it's a battle. A battle. It's a battle to, even if I do running and I do fitness, right, it's a battle to keep myself even. So instead of dealing with that at a more intense level, I choose to take them because it just makes it a little bit easier.

I don't think it's taken the easy way out though because if I don't take them and I still do all those things, it's hard for me to get to a good baseline.

Speaker 1: What do you mean by wrong? Like, when you say you feel wrong, what does it feel like?

Speaker 0: I feel like at any moment, kind of, my feelings can just drop off into like a really surprised low.

Speaker 1: Out of nowhere, for no reason.

Speaker 0: Yes. Sometimes with a little bit of motivation to it right or some trigger But it's it amid the level that it drops off to it's too much of a drop For me to not get some help if we're a little bit and it felt manageable. That's okay. But when it's pretty steep, it's like oh man this feels sometimes scary

Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're saying

Speaker 0: But it's gotten Doing that ayahuasca stuff made it a lot Better than it had ever been

Speaker 1: Neil Brennan said it basically cured him.

Speaker 0: Yeah, he's the 1 who took me to it.

Speaker 1: Yeah, he said it made him much happier. It cured him of a lot of what he felt like were personality disorders that he had. Like Neil's a great guy, but he's very, very smart. Very smart. And sometimes I wonder about real smart guys, they're just always thinking about things and maybe too much about certain things.

And you just get overwhelmed by thoughts and anxiety and emotions and anxiety is a lot of what anxiety a lot of is fretting about possibilities for a lot of people you know it's the inability to live in the moment And you fret about anxiety and a lot of it has to do with childhood trauma a lot of it has to do with genetics A lot of anxiety is a weird thing like they think that anxiety whether it's a learned behavior or not You can actually get it from your parents. I don't know why see what's it?

Speaker 0: I could see

Speaker 1: that can you get anxiety is anxiety genetic Google that

Speaker 0: my mom made us anxious Yeah, yeah, dude sometimes my mom we go get ice cream dude and she would like She's like if she'd get angry if we she'd get so angry if we dripped any of it.

Speaker 1: Here it goes. There's clear Research showing that anxiety is influenced by genetics in fact Experts notice a family connection for anxiety even before they understood how DNA or genes work Have you have a close relative with anxiety your chance of developing is about 2 to 6 times higher than if you don't

Speaker 0: well I don't know if that's genetic or if it's just like it's behavior Yeah If your mom is always or your dad is always like Bob They're fucking anxious and you're right if they come over and they're always fucking tickling you then you're gonna fucking feel tickled all the

Speaker 1: time You're always getting fucked with

Speaker 0: yeah. Yeah something you know bugging you or something even just tickling you with their words.

Speaker 1: Yeah genetics of generalized anxiety disorder and related traits. Well for sure mental illness is genetic. There's a lot of people that are mentally ill and their children are mentally ill or their families mentally ill or you know it's like it's man I used to have a much more ignorant view on mental health because I have my own mental health issues which I'm sure we all do but mine was like Just don't be a pussy get your work done you feel great And I don't have to take anything and even though I don't have to take anything. I'm still doing something to mitigate it I'm doing something every day to work on it, and when I don't I do feel it right like a lot of people do so I always wonder maybe Those people just aren't doing the work maybe they if they just got up in the morning went running before work or did something before Maybe they could get through this and not need a fucking pill. Yeah, I don't think that anymore

Speaker 0: Interesting yeah, I think it's I think yeah, there's times where I thought that I'm just not tough enough. I'm just not yeah doing enough I'm not I'm not enough to battle this right

Speaker 1: right

Speaker 0: and and then I get to a point where so many times I tried to stop taking it it's like it's too much of a discrepancy that makes Things unmanageable to a point where it feels like it's unfair to be that unmanageable to myself. So I get back on it, you know, and and I don't think it really bothers me or anything like that, but Yeah, it's kind of the same with alcoholism. Like I thought alcoholism used to just be like somebody couldn't stop drinking or whatever. Right. But there's so much more.

I mean, alcoholism is the only disease that will tell you you don't have the disease, right? Mm-hmm. That's cr- like imagine if you put on like A shirt, right? But every couple days a shirt was like, guess what? You don't have a shirt on.

Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good analogy.

Speaker 0: I don't know if it is, but it seems like it. But that's what alcoholism is.

Speaker 1: Because alcoholism would tell you you don't have a problem.

Speaker 0: Right. You

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