Taken from JRE #1995 w/Chad Stahelski:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1DLu8ms9Nrjc7a8DRTyDFg?si=1225fc1a39874d05

But it is kind of like a secret world deal.

Like you have to punch the code in to get into the door or you have a key fob.

You know, that's kind of like subcultures have always interested me.

You know, the Sub Rosa world of the inside, whether it's comedians or stunt guys or cops or military, there's always that in, that in-click, and I think that's what fascinates a lot of people a lot of times, because they all want to be part of that little.

We're originally gonna name, some people give me shit, because we called number 3 Parabellum, and then number 4 was like, just John Wick 4.

We actually had a title for John Wick 4, it was called Hagakuri, Japanese word that really meant like hidden leaves, it was a treatise on samurai code of ethics.

And it really spoke to, It was kind of like the art of the way of dying like how do you prepare yourself for a good death and a lot?

Of it dealt with you can only relate to people a Warrior can only relate to a warrior You know whether you're on other sides or not a cop can only relate to a cop and like you know whatever a teacher can Already to a teacher that inside sub rows a thing that only each other knew each other kind of thing.

We got it, but we didn't want to put a title on it.

We kind of lost it, but I thought it was a really cool thing about being sub-rows or being in the inside clique or something.

It was like, you know, it was the actual treatise, it was from like 1646 or something like that.

Unfortunately, it had been used during World War II as a rallying cry for militaristic Japan to get behind.

So in some Asian markets, it could be considered...

We didn't want to take a chance I it was yeah, I'm trying Japan Korea.

I'm like I get it We don't We want to be sensitive to that, but we still thought it was a cool name.

It's a weird world it is to make films and then have them be distributed worldwide.

It's because, you know, it's like I'm sure you know, you're always going to piss off somebody.

You're always going to get something or somebody can be something.

So you just, again, I like doing the fantasy film kind of thing.

I like doing that, because it's ours and it's not taking a side.

It's not really, I don't have to adhere to history.

And I think that kind of freedom helps a lot.

You know I don't think people get, I don't know, bent out of shape sometimes on that because you're creating your own world.

Do you feel like There's room for another thing like this in your life?

Like, is this something you're gonna try to do again?

And, again, Like we say, it was unintentional, completely unintentional, almost a fluke.

We did 1, then we did, we didn't know, I didn't know anything about the Continentals worldwide or the markers or anything till the second when we made that up.

And the third 1, we're like, oh, let's call it the high table.

And we just keep, you know, kinda riffing on stuff to do and just use your imagination

and it works that it's a continental to that It's international like when he goes to Italy and he goes and gets suited

Well, that that was probably my favorite thing.

I love that actor whoever that actor was that is explaining him the guns and

Seronofits yeah, yeah, he was in a couple he was in

that guy right there the the ball guy right there.

That's Luka Mosca That's actually my wardrobe supervisor.

So I made him do it Peter Svanovic This guy's so fucking funny.

Yeah, you just buy him as a complete psycho That's

he literally flew in on the day learn the lines did the gig and flew out really?

was the Italian he played the Italian spot.

So the guy that's doing the wardrobe is your actual wardrobe guy?

Well, yeah, I couldn't, I kept telling, like people would come in and start reading, I'm like, just be like my guy here, be like my wardrobe guy.

And we couldn't find anybody to be Luca here, and Luca was so subtle, I'm like, fuck it, Luca, you're doing it, dude, You're doing it.


Speaker 0: The Joe Rogan Experience.

Speaker 1: But it is kind of like a secret world deal. Like you have to punch the code in to get into the door or you have a key fob.

Speaker 0: You know, that's kind of like subcultures have always interested me. There's always Sub Rosa, right? Yeah. You know, the Sub Rosa world of the inside, whether it's comedians or stunt guys or cops or military, there's always that in, that in-click, and I think that's what fascinates a lot of people a lot of times, because they all want to be part of that little. We're originally gonna name, some people give me shit, because we called number 3 Parabellum, and then number 4 was like, just John Wick 4.

We actually had a title for John Wick 4, it was called Hagakuri, Japanese word that really meant like hidden leaves, it was a treatise on samurai code of ethics. And it really spoke to, It was kind of like the art of the way of dying like how do you prepare yourself for a good death and a lot? Of it dealt with you can only relate to people a Warrior can only relate to a warrior You know whether you're on other sides or not a cop can only relate to a cop and like you know whatever a teacher can Already to a teacher that inside sub rows a thing that only each other knew each other kind of thing. We got it, but we didn't want to put a title on it. We kind of lost it, but I thought it was a really cool thing about being sub-rows or being in the inside clique or something.

Yeah, Maybe on the next 1.

Speaker 1: Why'd you decide just...

Speaker 0: It was like, you know, it was the actual treatise, it was from like 1646 or something like that. Unfortunately, it had been used during World War II as a rallying cry for militaristic Japan to get behind. So in some Asian markets, it could be considered...

Speaker 1: Could be a problem in China.

Speaker 0: We didn't want to take a chance I it was yeah, I'm trying Japan Korea. I'm like I get it We don't We want to be sensitive to that, but we still thought it was a cool name.

Speaker 1: Yeah. It's a weird world it is to make films and then have them be distributed worldwide.

Speaker 0: It's because, you know, it's like I'm sure you know, you're always going to piss off somebody. Yeah. You're always going to get something or somebody can be something. So you just, again, I like doing the fantasy film kind of thing. I like creating our own worlds.

I like doing that, because it's ours and it's not taking a side. It's not really, I don't have to adhere to history. I don't have to adhere to an IP. You can kind of just do our thing. And I think that kind of freedom helps a lot.

You know I don't think people get, I don't know, bent out of shape sometimes on that because you're creating your own world.

Speaker 1: Do you feel like There's room for another thing like this in your life? Like, is this something you're gonna try to do again? Like, recreate an entire ecosystem,

Speaker 0: an entire world? That's a good question. And, again, Like we say, it was unintentional, completely unintentional, almost a fluke. We did 1, then we did, we didn't know, I didn't know anything about the Continentals worldwide or the markers or anything till the second when we made that up. And the third 1, we're like, oh, let's call it the high table.

Sure, someone will buy that, sure. And we just keep, you know, kinda riffing on stuff to do and just use your imagination

Speaker 1: But it works

Speaker 0: it does and I think again

Speaker 1: and it works that it's a continental to that It's international like when he goes to Italy and he goes and gets suited

Speaker 0: right? Well, that that was probably my favorite thing. I love the suit

Speaker 1: I love that actor whoever that actor was that is explaining him the guns and

Speaker 0: oh, what is it Peter? Seronofits yeah, yeah, he was in a couple he was in

Speaker 1: the suits and the guns this whole scene

Speaker 0: that guy right there the the ball guy right there. That's Luka Mosca That's actually my wardrobe supervisor. I couldn't cast somebody in time. So I made him do it Peter Svanovic This guy's so fucking funny.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you just buy him as a complete psycho That's

Speaker 0: he literally flew in on the day learn the lines did the gig and flew out really? Yeah, he was awesome.

Speaker 1: Well. He's incredible.

Speaker 0: I what was that movie spy was Statham.

Speaker 1: Oh, yeah He

Speaker 0: was the Italian he played the Italian spot. He was so funny

Speaker 1: So the guy that's doing the wardrobe is your actual wardrobe guy?

Speaker 0: Well, yeah, I couldn't, I kept telling, like people would come in and start reading, I'm like, just be like my guy here, be like my wardrobe guy. And we couldn't find anybody to be Luca here, and Luca was so subtle, I'm like, fuck it, Luca, you're doing it, dude, You're doing it. And he'd never acted before? Never acted before in his life. He's great!

He's fantastic. He's great.

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