Taken from JRE #1996 w/Andy Stumpf:
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Well, that's why it's so weird when like this UFO disclosure thing comes out.

And David Grush, let's find out who he is and what his credentials were.

But he essentially said that they are illegally hiding it from Congress, and they are illegally hiding it from the American people, but they have off-world craft in possession.

It's somewhere, well, the things they're saying, oh, here, let's read it.

Air Force veteran has made a bombshell claim that US government has recovered materials that could be proof of UFOs, including an intact craft of non-human origin, but they are keeping it a secret from the public.

David Charles Grush, a veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office, has blown the whistle on this information, speaking with several news outlets about the crafts.

These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it a spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed, Mr.

Grush served as the senior technical advisor for the unidentified aerial phenomenon analysis with top-secret secret compartment and information clearance according to the debrief he also served as a senior intelligence officer in the National Reconnaissance Office in total He has 14 years of experience serving as an intelligence officer.

Is this, we've got a non-human craft a psyop?

...And I was working on some shit, and I didn't want China or Russia to know about it.

Yeah, do some shit some anti-gravity shit I Thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived, but it was a ruse mr.

Grush told News Nation people started to confide in me approach me I have plenty of senior former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program.

He told the debrief that He's prepared many briefs on UFOs for Congress But last year decided to provide hours of classified information and data about the materials recovery program Mr.

Grush crane claims the materials recovery program was shielded from proper congressional oversight So this is what Bob Lazar has been saying forever.

This guy's saying that it was going on for 80 years.

So like this brings us back to the 1940s.

I mean this is like this is means like Roswell.

This is what they were talking about when all the people that were at Roswell that were at the actual crash site and the actual claim they saw bodies and then there was 2 different aircrafts that were flown in to Roswell, New Mexico and Took the wreckage and flew it In 2 different aircrafts in case 1 of them crashed Supposedly and they flew them to write Patterson Air Force Base.

That was a balloon It was just a balloon Why would they go through such lengths and why there's so many people that have so many stories about Roswell?

Hokey goofy fucking explanations of what happened including it was a Parachute and there was there was human dummies like crash test dummies that were evolved there were crash testing things like Not not according to the people that were there the what they saw was Materials that could not be explained insanely light you would crumple it and it would immediately flex back to the stage That was out there.

They found things that had some sort of writing that resembled hieroglyphs They don't I mean these people they could have all been full of shit.

It could have been just some story Something happened and everybody told everybody and you're playing a game of telephone and the next thing you know It's this wild story of bodies and little tiny caskets and you know and People being silenced and but the problem is the story is very universal When they're all telling the story, it's a real similar man It's a real and the guy who was who was a part of the initial release He went public afterwards and said that stuff that we We showed the American public when they were sitting there.

I forget the gentleman's name, but he was showing like a piece of a weather balloon and they had the smile on their face.

This is 1 day after the, I think it was the Roswell Daily Record.

They had the front page of the newspaper, the government has recovered a crashed UFO.

I mean, I don't know how big the universe is.

I've heard it's hard to quantify in size.

I mean, what do you think the odds are in all of the universe that we are alone.

If it's just us, it's wow, what a weird fucking aberration.

So for a species, I mean we can look at where we are at.

We can make it to kind of the moon before we start fucking up Maybe Elon can get us to Mars.

Maybe not But so let's assume that a species that was able to come like check us out.

It's probably more advanced probably more intelligent I think they would run for the fucking hills.

And I think anybody who viewed humanity from a long enough, more objective lens would say, maybe we can just leave this trash planet alone for a little bit and we'll come back after either they have killed themselves again and regrown into something better or when they come and visit us.

And he's the guy, he's like, he's ended his career to come out and talk about this stuff because he's like, this is nuts.

Like this is, and If you're a real patriot, that's probably the thing you do and and apparently according to Sager on he was talking about breaking points The New York Times rejected this the Washington Post rejected this they didn't want to talk about it.

These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles.

It's probably not the right parlance, but no kidding, non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.

See if you can find, is that something you have to sign up for?

Meanwhile, that might be a 100% government-controlled organization that just promotes propaganda, and that guy's working for them.

Can we save ourselves from ourselves, Joe, To go back to the humanity slide and short the brink, it's possible.

a military program that has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact.

What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP task force?

The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.

When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?

These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will.

Non-human, exotic origin, vehicles that have either landed or crashed.

I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived, it was a ruse.

People started confiding in me, they approached me.

I have plenty of current and former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program, they named the program, I've never heard of it, and they told me, based on their oral testimony, And they provided me documents and other other proof That there was in fact a program that the UAP task force was not read into Grush alleges the US government

Which is extremely unethical and immoral.

You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S.

Government is saying publicly, we are not alone.

Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah.

Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots.

And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true.

It's also harder for people to wrap their minds around the concept.

Well, to unpack that a little bit, you know, so there are I Can only speak to it from a military perspective.

There are programs They're covered programs or there are programs that you're not gonna get read into.

And just because you're read into 1 program doesn't mean you're gonna get read into other ones.

So his clearance, TSSCI, is not an uncommon 1.

It's the same clearance that I held that I was in.

Having a clearance, there's 2 things, right?

You have to have the clearance and then you have to have the need to know.

So you could view him saying we were not read into another program as something that would be conspiratorial, or you could view it as like 1 program didn't necessarily have something to do with the other 1 so there's no need to actually read them in.

I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm fascinated to understand...

It sounds like what he is saying is that the United States military is nesting that program, the program to go recover.

And I would be fascinated to know how they are doing that invisibly.

I mean, we're talking aircraft, we're talking identification early on, aircraft, moving teams, and this, you know what I mean?

I have- But there are people that are coming forward.

So it's not like they're totally being quiet, which is sort of in line with human nature.

They're coming forward with a piece of a pie I'd be fascinated how all the pieces of the pie fed fed together.

I'm not saying what he's saying isn't true But watching that actually for me with my limited Understanding of some of the stuff he was talking about.

I have more questions that I would want to ask him.

Yeah, I would want to ask him to We gotta get him You get him on here.

I'm just kind of going fucking I feel like though Hell it is.

I think you might get more circular answers.

ask good questions, though Is he still in am I not even that I don't know if they probably allow weed in the current military You might get more circular answers than specific ones if you if you look at the answers that he was he was giving and Again, I'm not trying to discount what he's saying and I personally like I have said many times I think it's improbable that we're alone.

He was speaking in generalities and not Specifics he was talking about other people's experiences less his own.

And that's what my question would be What have you seen?

Yeah, what have you seen physically with your own eyes?

And again, I'm not saying he hasn't had those experiences but I would ask those same questions as well.

And it just from my understanding of how the military will compartmentalize as all organizations who actually want to keep information or at least delay the release of information, compartmentalization is not a novel concept.

Well, that's what Bob Lazar said was the problem with the back engineering program.

He said that science can't exist like that in a vacuum, and the propulsion experts were not allowed to talk to the metallurgists.

The metallurgy experts were not allowed to talk to the biology experts.

He said if they really did have physical bodies, the people that were working on the propulsion system had no knowledge of that, weren't allowed to talk about it.

And apparently There was some sort of a debriefing they gave them and in that debriefing.

He said The first of all they said they would they've been coming here forever, and they also said that we're a product of accelerated evolution Which is wild as fuck yeah that human beings in general that why we are so different from all the other primates.

I mean that's always been the fucking Conspiracy theory folklore.

You know is that they came down That's the Anunnaki that came down here and messed around with lower primate DNA and did something to it to create a human being.

And then I would think that the government would want stuff like this to come out if they're in the middle of stealing money or doing something really wild.

Yeah, if you're going to take something that gets rid of a certain amendment or you're going to do something that allows you to infringe on rights or to impose some new sort of restrictions


Speaker 0: The Joe Rogan experience. Well, that's why it's so weird when like this UFO disclosure thing comes out. This guy...

Speaker 1: Didn't it just come out today? Yes. A whistleblower?

Speaker 0: Yeah. This gentleman, David Grush. And David Grush, let's find out who he is and what his credentials were. But he essentially said that they are illegally hiding it from Congress, and they are illegally hiding it from the American people, but they have off-world craft in possession.

Speaker 1: Who's the they in that?

Speaker 0: It's somewhere, well, the things they're saying, oh, here, let's read it. Air Force veteran has made a bombshell claim that US government has recovered materials that could be proof of UFOs, including an intact craft of non-human origin, but they are keeping it a secret from the public. David Charles Grush, a veteran and former member of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency and National Reconnaissance Office, has blown the whistle on this information, speaking with several news outlets about the crafts. These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, call it a spacecraft if you will, non-human exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed, Mr. Grush told News Nation.

Mr. Grush served as the senior technical advisor for the unidentified aerial phenomenon analysis with top-secret secret compartment and information clearance according to the debrief he also served as a senior intelligence officer in the National Reconnaissance Office in total He has 14 years of experience serving as an intelligence officer. So here's the question. Is that a psyop? Is this, we've got a non-human craft a psyop?

Like, if I was the government... Haha. ...And I was working on some shit, and I didn't want China or Russia to know about it. Yeah, do some shit some anti-gravity shit I Thought it was totally nuts, and I thought at first I was being deceived, but it was a ruse mr. Grush told News Nation people started to confide in me approach me I have plenty of senior former intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me that they were part of a program.

He told the debrief that He's prepared many briefs on UFOs for Congress But last year decided to provide hours of classified information and data about the materials recovery program Mr. Grush crane claims the materials recovery program was shielded from proper congressional oversight So this is what Bob Lazar has been saying forever. This guy's saying that it was going on for 80 years. So like this brings us back to the 1940s. I mean this is like this is means like Roswell.

This is what they were talking about when all the people that were at Roswell that were at the actual crash site and the actual claim they saw bodies and then there was 2 different aircrafts that were flown in to Roswell, New Mexico and Took the wreckage and flew it In 2 different aircrafts in case 1 of them crashed Supposedly and they flew them to write Patterson Air Force Base. This has all been documented now. That was a balloon It was just a balloon Why would they go through such lengths and why there's so many people that have so many stories about Roswell? Why there's so many? Hokey goofy fucking explanations of what happened including it was a Parachute and there was there was human dummies like crash test dummies that were evolved there were crash testing things like Not not according to the people that were there the what they saw was Materials that could not be explained insanely light you would crumple it and it would immediately flex back to the stage That was out there.

They found things that had some sort of writing that resembled hieroglyphs They don't I mean these people they could have all been full of shit. It could have been just some story Something happened and everybody told everybody and you're playing a game of telephone and the next thing you know It's this wild story of bodies and little tiny caskets and you know and People being silenced and but the problem is the story is very universal When they're all telling the story, it's a real similar man It's a real and the guy who was who was a part of the initial release He went public afterwards and said that stuff that we We showed the American public when they were sitting there. I forget the gentleman's name, but he was showing like a piece of a weather balloon and they had the smile on their face. This is 1 day after the, I think it was the Roswell Daily Record. They had the front page of the newspaper, the government has recovered a crashed UFO.

Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how big the universe is. I've heard it's hard to quantify in size.

Speaker 0: Yeah, that's it right there.

Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think the odds are in all of the universe that we are alone.

Speaker 0: It's not good. If it is, it's wild. If it's just us, it's wow, what a weird fucking aberration. What a strange thing. But let's

Speaker 1: assume it's not us. So for a species, I mean we can look at where we are at. We can make it to kind of the moon before we start fucking up Maybe Elon can get us to Mars. Maybe not But so let's assume that a species that was able to come like check us out. It's probably more advanced probably more intelligent I think they would run for the fucking hills.

Why? Because we are idiots. And I think anybody who viewed humanity from a long enough, more objective lens would say, maybe we can just leave this trash planet alone for a little bit and we'll come back after either they have killed themselves again and regrown into something better or when they come and visit us.

Speaker 0: And he's the guy, he's like, he's ended his career to come out and talk about this stuff because he's like, this is nuts. Like this is, and If you're a real patriot, that's probably the thing you do and and apparently according to Sager on he was talking about breaking points The New York Times rejected this the Washington Post rejected this they didn't want to talk about it. This is the gentleman So let's play this

Speaker 2: These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles. Call it spacecraft if you will. It's probably not the right parlance, but no kidding, non-human, exotic origin vehicles that have either landed or crashed.

Speaker 3: We have spacecraft from another species.

Speaker 2: We do. How many? Quite a number.

Speaker 0: That's it? Where's the whole interview? On probably that website. See if you can find, is that something you have to sign up for? What is it?

News... What is it? News Nation. News Nation. Meanwhile, that might be a 100% government-controlled organization that just promotes propaganda, and that guy's working for them.

You gotta think about all these things. I know. News nation. Who are these folks? Oh, interesting.

He's their fucking centerpiece. Look at that.

Speaker 1: Yes, he is. It looks a

Speaker 0: little tanner than usual.

Speaker 1: Can we save ourselves from ourselves, Joe, To go back to the humanity slide and short the brink, it's possible.

Speaker 0: Oh, here's the 10 minute interview. OK, let's hear it. How much? Just play it. Let's let's just see what's

Speaker 1: a military program that has reportedly found wreckage of fully intact. I was of interest

Speaker 2: to the UFO question.

Speaker 3: What conclusion did you come to at the end of your time on the UAP task force?

Speaker 2: The UAP task force was refused access to a broad crash retrieval program.

Speaker 3: When you say crash retrieval, what do you mean?

Speaker 2: These are retrieving non-human origin technical vehicles, you know, call it spacecraft if you will. Non-human, exotic origin, vehicles that have either landed or crashed.

Speaker 3: We have spacecraft from another species.

Speaker 2: We do, yeah. How many? Quite a number.

Speaker 3: You're kidding.

Speaker 2: No. I thought it was totally nuts and I thought at first I was being deceived, it was a ruse. People started confiding in me, they approached me. I have plenty of current and former senior intelligence officers that came to me, many of which I knew almost my whole career, that confided in me they were a part of a program, they named the program, I've never heard of it, and they told me, based on their oral testimony, And they provided me documents and other other proof That there was in fact a program that the UAP task force was not read into Grush alleges the US government

Speaker 0: Does it keep going? What else does it say?

Speaker 2: Which is extremely unethical and immoral.

Speaker 3: You are saying to the human race, for the first time, an official intelligence representative at a high level from the U.S. Government is saying publicly, we are not alone.

Speaker 2: We're definitely not alone. Absolutely the data points empirically that we're not alone, yeah.

Speaker 3: Do we have bodies? Do we have species of non-human?

Speaker 2: Well, naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. And believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, it's true.

Speaker 1: It's also harder for people to wrap their minds around the concept. I don't know, man.

Speaker 0: He might be foolish, yeah. Well, I'm fascinated. He might be a government agent.

Speaker 1: Well, to unpack that a little bit, you know, so there are I Can only speak to it from a military perspective. So he was in the Air Force. There are programs They're covered programs or there are programs that you're not gonna get read into. And just because you're read into 1 program doesn't mean you're gonna get read into other ones. So his clearance, TSSCI, is not an uncommon 1.

It's the same clearance that I held that I was in. Having a clearance, there's 2 things, right? You have to have the clearance and then you have to have the need to know. So you could view him saying we were not read into another program as something that would be conspiratorial, or you could view it as like 1 program didn't necessarily have something to do with the other 1 so there's no need to actually read them in. I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm fascinated to understand...

It sounds like what he is saying is that the United States military is nesting that program, the program to go recover. And I would be fascinated to know how they are doing that invisibly. I mean, we're talking aircraft, we're talking identification early on, aircraft, moving teams, and this, you know what I mean? Like, there's a lot of shit. Right.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I have- But there are people that are coming forward.

Speaker 0: So it's not like they're totally being quiet, which is sort of in line with human nature. They're coming forward with a piece.

Speaker 1: They're coming forward with a piece of a pie I'd be fascinated how all the pieces of the pie fed fed together. I'm not saying what he's saying isn't true But watching that actually for me with my limited Understanding of some of the stuff he was talking about. I have more questions that I would want to ask him.

Speaker 0: Yeah, I would want to ask him to We gotta get him You get him on here.

Speaker 1: I bet he would come on here.

Speaker 0: I'm just kind of going fucking I feel like though Hell it is. I feel like a nation. Yeah. Oh, why didn't he contact us?

Speaker 1: I think you might get more circular answers.

Speaker 0: Maybe did

Speaker 1: You might get more Maybe I

Speaker 0: asked too many questions. Maybe the word I get you

Speaker 1: ask good questions, though Is he still in am I not even that I don't know if they probably allow weed in the current military You might get more circular answers than specific ones if you if you look at the answers that he was he was giving and Again, I'm not trying to discount what he's saying and I personally like I have said many times I think it's improbable that we're alone. He was speaking in generalities and not Specifics he was talking about other people's experiences less his own.

Speaker 0: Yes, that's a good point. And that's what my question would be What have you seen? Yeah, what have you seen physically with your own eyes? Yeah, what have you touched? What do you know for a fact?

Speaker 1: And again, I'm not saying he hasn't had those experiences but I would ask those same questions as well. And it just from my understanding of how the military will compartmentalize as all organizations who actually want to keep information or at least delay the release of information, compartmentalization is not a novel concept.

Speaker 0: Well, that's what Bob Lazar said was the problem with the back engineering program. He said that science can't exist like that in a vacuum, and the propulsion experts were not allowed to talk to the metallurgists. The metallurgy experts were not allowed to talk to the biology experts. He said if they really did have physical bodies, the people that were working on the propulsion system had no knowledge of that, weren't allowed to talk about it. But there was all chatter.

Everyone would talk about things. And apparently There was some sort of a debriefing they gave them and in that debriefing. He said it was so nuts. He said The first of all they said they would they've been coming here forever, and they also said that we're a product of accelerated evolution Which is wild as fuck yeah that human beings in general that why we are so different from all the other primates. I mean that's always been the fucking Conspiracy theory folklore.

That's the fun 1. You know is that they came down That's the Anunnaki that came down here and messed around with lower primate DNA and did something to it to create a human being.

Speaker 1: I'm here for it.

Speaker 0: I'm here for that. Yeah. That would make everything fun. And then I would think that the government would want stuff like this to come out if they're in the middle of stealing money or doing something really wild.

Speaker 1: Oh, the classic misdirection?

Speaker 0: Oh, for sure. Yeah, if you're going to take something that gets rid of a certain amendment or you're going to do something that allows you to infringe on rights or to impose some new sort of restrictions

Speaker 1: and... Bring the aliens out.

Speaker 0: Yeah, bring the aliens out.

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