Taken from JRE #1984 w/Brian Redban:
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The Jorogun Experience Why do you think the metaverse didn't take off?

I mean look, you know, Zuckerberg's version of the metaverse is that no 1 has legs.

Like everyone looks like Nintendo Wii characters and stuff and it's goofy.

Where you look at something like VR chat, which I use, you can be anything you want.

You could have a scan of you and make it look super realistic.

So when you're talking to somebody, you look like you're talking to a real person but but like that see that's a actually a woman that used her phone and scanned her image into an avatar and That's the stuff.

And unfortunately Zuckerberg and all those guys have been pushing this ridiculous Nintendo Wii.

This was Zuckerberg, this is Meta's product.

But that's the Metaverse that, he's not selling this Metaverse, right?

Well, could you just type in like, you know, the...

That's the stuff that what he's showing is more closer to what I'm using right now.

This is, see, like, look at all these goofy characters.

And what you were just watching, like, with that other image that is coming sooner, you know, that's the kind of stuff that's already out there and that I use.

You know, I could be a realistic person, I could be a cartoon character, I could be anything I want.

This is just like, I don't know, for kids.

This is not the only thing that was available, right?

This is just to hang out and talk to people, I guess.

Right, but this is what Zuckerberg, like the metaverse, this is his, like where he's spending billions of dollars thinking this kind of thing's gonna take off.

So here's something that I asked someone over a year ago that I didn't understand because we hadn't seen the AI stuff.

There's spaces like this, I'll try to pull it back up on the screen.

When this guy's like floating around in here, this is not how they did it, I'll be honest with you, but this is how it was explained to me.

When you're in that world, it shows like a missile silo or something you could be like nope don't make that a missile silo I want to be on a beach you just say that and they'll go okay, poof.

I got a beach It's like now it's too cartoony make it more realistic right and it'll be like more realistic Beach And that's how some of the metaverse stuff Is supposed to be it's not here yet though, and I don't know how long it's gonna take to get here

But isn't a barrier to entry just the putting on goggles That's a lot of people don't want to do that

right well It's also makes people sick it also.

You know a lot of problems, and that's mostly based off Frame rate so like if you're you're using something that is poorly made like software like a Nap and you put it on and it's the frame rates shit Then you're just gonna get sick immediately or

Yeah too low a frame rate You start getting sick.

Yeah It just makes you feel like uneasy like, you know When you're spinning on a carnival ride or something and your stomach starts getting

that makes sense of where if your mind If your eyeballs are seeing something that's blurry and fucked your mind might say oh my god.

right yeah, yeah, and Here's something I'll show

you It's tough There's not a lot of content and Facebook may be fucking up by not showing this stuff more.

I'm pretty sure it's the only 1 that's out there right now.

That allows you to shoot content to be watched in these headsets.

And when it's done right, which hasn't been done right very much, but when it is done right, It's fucking amazing.

But there's not a lot to look at right now.

But the things in front of you look like you should just reach out and touch them.

It seems like every iteration of these things, we're always waiting for the 1 that's like that's it Like if you go back to when VR was first talked about was like the 80s and 90s Remember, they thought that that was gonna be the thing you put on the goggles You're in another world, but technology wasn't really there and then all sudden with Oculus and with the HTC Vive, okay, we're getting real close.

Now we're getting real close, but it's still like, not quite.

Yeah, that's what they think Apple is gonna do with their headset, that it's gonna be that cool, supposedly.

We're getting ready and this is going to be the future.

Like those pods we almost want to use now, but the pod was just to track you.

Like if you went out of the pod, it wasn't reading you.

And you had to have all sorts of cables and wires and things connected to

It's still not quite, You would have thought that would have taken off.

That's what the guy, that's what the headset looks like.

Which they still have these things in arcades all over the place.

1 of the things they think they're gonna be able to do is recreate psychedelic experiences.

They think they're gonna be able to make a VR psychedelic experience So you could trip balls without having to do any drugs and it'll have the same effect on your mind

I do it a pretty good version of it like all the time.

Yeah the thing I play all the time I have a character that you could do DMT acid mushrooms and stuff like that And you take it and you start start seeing a little bit of trails on your hands And then the more you start seeing more trails like it's pretty good And you could do DMT where there's like fucking like Buddha's coming out of the ground like like that look like lasers and shit Yeah, it's sometimes.

We'll just listen to music get high and just do that for hours.

This looks like Unreal, but someone's made a shroom trip.

This just goes on for a few minutes yeah there's just different visuals and stuff

yeah see I love that lighting effect where it's like clouds shadows

maybe this is a real video then they fucked with it

I'm using VRChat, which is like the good version of what Zuckerberg's trying to do.

You're not gonna get that great of graphics, but I'm using like a really high-end PC and a Valve Index headset.

And VRChat's free, and it's kind of like, you know, you just download it, you make your character, whatever, and then you go, hey, I wanna go to Disneyland, or hey, I wanna go on a beach, you know, and you just type in beach and it's like Google and they'll show you all the worlds you can go to.

Then you go there, meet up with your friends, do acid on the beach or whatever.

Each level is made by a different person, so there's good versions of it and bad versions of it, realistic versions of it.

Yeah, this is way more popular times a lot, you know, than Zuckerberg stuff.

It's 1 of the largest user base of a multiplayer game on Steam.

There is another thing which I don't, like you're hung up on that headset.

You don't, maybe today you do, but you're not gonna have to use the headset.

You'll be able to play with me and Brian if we have our headsets on just through a browser like this.

Oh, so you can play it like a video game.

Now, what is the best version of graphics?

Like, these things are all made by different people, right?

So, If I were to play this right now with you, I have bookmarked like all these worlds So like I have the best world to go to if you want to be in a beach Best world if you want to be on the moon best, you know, so Like look at this bar that you can this kind of has good lighting and stuff But you know, it almost looks like a nice realistic bar and look at that character see you think that's somebody that scanned himself It looks like yeah Obviously yeah weird and so you know you look back at what we were just watching with Zuckerberg's You know metaverse, And it's so silly compared to this, you know, like graphic wise.

It's like you can be anything and you want.

Yeah, but isn't the metaverse stuff, the Zuckerberg stuff capable of doing things like this?

It's just that's why people, why it's not working.

That looks like a real ice bin for popsicles, you know, like at a convenience store.

You know, that's not the graphics you're seeing on Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg's very cartoony, very kids kind of feeling.

Is that for all of them or just different software applications?

Well, like you could play this on the headset, you know But the metaverse is the Facebook like they're trying to get you into that metaverse world and that's what's failed

But it's other stuff in the metaverse like with those the oculus that they're hat that they have they have these virtual tours

Yeah, yeah, but that's not that's not like the metaverse That's like you can you can play the headsets just like a computer pretty much So you can download anything on it, you know.

So the Metaverse is like a walled garden.

Metaverse is like what we were just watching via chat where it's kind of like a chat.

But what Zuckerberg was trying to do, you're saying is like a walled garden.

Like they were making it very specific to these apps.

They were going to have these kind of cartoony things.

It's the metaverse is doing it through all these characters and stuff like that.

It's hard to, it's so hard to explain because it's, they made it confusing as fuck, you know?

But if anybody can't explain, If you can't explain it, nobody can explain it.

Right, that's a lot of the problem, you know.

It's VR's taking off, the metaverse is just not taking off because Facebook wants you to live inside their world.

I kind of feel like if, I've been having the problem, if I haven't come across anything yet that Brian and I couldn't explain or show you in less than 3 minutes, then they haven't fucking figured

It seems close, but it seemed close for 4 years So

yeah, I'm saying like with every iteration of the virtual reality world.

It's like this is gonna be it but it's not

I don't know how much the pandemic Would have slowed down production.

I feel like it did fuck up some stuff well They were all working in offices doing stuff messing with these headsets because they have shown some behind like There's a video of Zuckerberg has I think on 60 minutes.

They were showing someone behind the scenes prototype headsets

They have a thing that's It sticks out from the head like the eye area.

It's ultrasonic Soundwaves that are pointed at your mouth and the lady that they had try as many as a guy They said they could feel raindrops on their on their mouth Jesus, and that was recreated with sound waves Yeah, physically touching like touching you, but that's not anything they have commercially available It's just like an in-house demo, and that sounds fucking cool, too But

it seems like it's the neural link it seems like it's some sort of neural interface when that that hits Then all this shit's gonna make sense

and that's even scarier because you don't know what you're seeing is real or not You know, that's sci-fi movie shit.


Speaker 0: The Jorogun Experience Why do you think the metaverse didn't take off? Why was that a colossal failure?

Speaker 1: Uh, well, it's because it's... I mean look, you know, Zuckerberg's version of the metaverse is that no 1 has legs. Like everyone looks like Nintendo Wii characters and stuff and it's goofy. Where you look at something like VR chat, which I use, you can be anything you want. You could have a scan of you and make it look super realistic.

So when you're talking to somebody, you look like you're talking to a real person but but like that see that's a actually a woman that used her phone and scanned her image into an avatar and That's the stuff. That's cool. And unfortunately Zuckerberg and all those guys have been pushing this ridiculous Nintendo Wii.

Speaker 2: This was Zuckerberg, this is Meta's product.

Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right, right. But that's the Metaverse that, he's not selling this Metaverse, right? He's selling this silly version of it.

Speaker 0: So what's the silly version? Is the fact you have to have a headset?

Speaker 1: Well, could you just type in like, you know, the...

Speaker 2: Oculus Worlds, I think.

Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever. This is... That's the stuff that what he's showing is more closer to what I'm using right now. And that's, you know, VRChat. This is, see, like, look at all these goofy characters.

Like, see, you have no legs. You look like a little cartoon. It looks like for kids, you know? And what you were just watching, like, with that other image that is coming sooner, you know, that's the kind of stuff that's already out there and that I use. You know, I could be a realistic person, I could be a cartoon character, I could be anything I want.

I have legs. This is just like, I don't know, for kids. It's very kids.

Speaker 0: This is not the only thing that was available, right? Correct.

Speaker 2: This is just to hang out and talk to people, I guess.

Speaker 1: Right, but this is what Zuckerberg, like the metaverse, this is his, like where he's spending billions of dollars thinking this kind of thing's gonna take off.

Speaker 2: So here's something that I asked someone over a year ago that I didn't understand because we hadn't seen the AI stuff. There's spaces like this, I'll try to pull it back up on the screen. When this guy's like floating around in here, this is not how they did it, I'll be honest with you, but this is how it was explained to me. When you're in that world, it shows like a missile silo or something you could be like nope don't make that a missile silo I want to be on a beach you just say that and they'll go okay, poof.

Speaker 0: Yeah,

Speaker 2: I got a beach It's like now it's too cartoony make it more realistic right and it'll be like more realistic Beach And that's how some of the metaverse stuff Is supposed to be it's not here yet though, and I don't know how long it's gonna take to get here

Speaker 0: But isn't a barrier to entry just the putting on goggles That's a lot of people don't want to do that

Speaker 1: right well It's also makes people sick it also. You know a lot of problems, and that's mostly based off Frame rate so like if you're you're using something that is poorly made like software like a Nap and you put it on and it's the frame rates shit Then you're just gonna get sick immediately or

Speaker 0: is it too low a frame?

Speaker 1: Yeah too low a frame rate You start getting sick.

Speaker 0: So it just confuses you

Speaker 1: Yeah It just makes you feel like uneasy like, you know When you're spinning on a carnival ride or something and your stomach starts getting

Speaker 0: that makes sense of where if your mind If your eyeballs are seeing something that's blurry and fucked your mind might say oh my god. You're sick You should throw up

Speaker 1: exactly

Speaker 0: you ate something bad. You're dying

Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah, and Here's something I'll show

Speaker 2: you It's tough There's not a lot of content and Facebook may be fucking up by not showing this stuff more. So Canon made this dual fisheye lens. I'm pretty sure it's the only 1 that's out there right now. That allows you to shoot content to be watched in these headsets. And when it's done right, which hasn't been done right very much, but when it is done right, It's fucking amazing.

It is wild how cool it looks. But there's not a lot to look at right now. And you have to put the headset on to

Speaker 1: see it.

Speaker 2: But the things in front of you look like you should just reach out and touch them. And they're in high definition quality.

Speaker 0: It seems like every iteration of these things, we're always waiting for the 1 that's like that's it Like if you go back to when VR was first talked about was like the 80s and 90s Remember, they thought that that was gonna be the thing you put on the goggles You're in another world, but technology wasn't really there and then all sudden with Oculus and with the HTC Vive, okay, we're getting real close. Now we're getting real close, but it's still like, not quite.

Speaker 1: That was the VR from the 90s. Yeah, that's what they think Apple is gonna do with their headset, that it's gonna be that cool, supposedly.

Speaker 0: This is VR in the 90s. So this is the beginning. We're getting ready and this is going to be the future.

Speaker 2: To use this, you had to be in a big pod. Like those pods we almost want to use now, but the pod was just to track you. Like if you went out of the pod, it wasn't reading you. Anything inside the pod, it read. And you had to have all sorts of cables and wires and things connected to

Speaker 1: you. Still though. Where did they have this at?

Speaker 2: They did at Kosai.

Speaker 0: So this is in the 90s. And here we are, 2023. It's still not quite, You would have thought that would have taken off.

Speaker 1: I forgot about that.

Speaker 2: That's what the guy, that's what the headset looks like. Which they still have these things in arcades all over the place. The graphics got a little better.

Speaker 0: 1 of the things they think they're gonna be able to do is recreate psychedelic experiences. They think they're gonna be able to make a VR psychedelic experience So you could trip balls without having to do any drugs and it'll have the same effect on your mind

Speaker 1: I do it a pretty good version of it like all the time.

Speaker 0: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah the thing I play all the time I have a character that you could do DMT acid mushrooms and stuff like that And you take it and you start start seeing a little bit of trails on your hands And then the more you start seeing more trails like it's pretty good And you could do DMT where there's like fucking like Buddha's coming out of the ground like like that look like lasers and shit Yeah, it's sometimes. We'll just listen to music get high and just do that for hours.

Speaker 0: And what are you using? What

Speaker 1: is this?

Speaker 2: This looks like Unreal, but someone's made a shroom trip.

Speaker 0: Yeah. Oh.

Speaker 2: This just goes on for a few minutes yeah there's just different visuals and stuff

Speaker 0: how many grams

Speaker 1: yeah see I love that lighting effect where it's like clouds shadows

Speaker 2: maybe this is a real video then they fucked with it

Speaker 1: yeah I think this is a real dog. Yeah, this is a real video.

Speaker 2: The dog knows you're tripping. That's cool.

Speaker 0: So what are you using?

Speaker 1: I'm using VRChat, which is like the good version of what Zuckerberg's trying to do.

Speaker 0: And VRChat is connected how? Like you're using a PC?

Speaker 1: It's free. You could actually use an Oculus for it. You're not gonna get that great of graphics, but I'm using like a really high-end PC and a Valve Index headset. And VRChat's free, and it's kind of like, you know, you just download it, you make your character, whatever, and then you go, hey, I wanna go to Disneyland, or hey, I wanna go on a beach, you know, and you just type in beach and it's like Google and they'll show you all the worlds you can go to. Then you go there, meet up with your friends, do acid on the beach or whatever.

Speaker 0: And the graphics are really high end?

Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Each level is made by a different person, so there's good versions of it and bad versions of it, realistic versions of it.

Speaker 0: So this is the real cutting edge?

Speaker 1: Yeah, this is way more popular times a lot, you know, than Zuckerberg stuff.

Speaker 0: Really? Like how many people are using this?

Speaker 1: It's 1 of the largest user base of a multiplayer game on Steam.

Speaker 2: There is another thing which I don't, like you're hung up on that headset. You don't, maybe today you do, but you're not gonna have to use the headset. You'll be able to play with me and Brian if we have our headsets on just through a browser like this.

Speaker 1: Oh, you can do that right now. Yeah.

Speaker 2: You don't have to put the headset

Speaker 1: on.

Speaker 0: Oh, so you can play it like a video game.

Speaker 1: Yeah, or a chat room.

Speaker 0: Now, what is the best version of graphics? Like, these things are all made by different people, right? So, what's the best version?

Speaker 1: So, If I were to play this right now with you, I have bookmarked like all these worlds So like I have the best world to go to if you want to be in a beach Best world if you want to be on the moon best, you know, so Like look at this bar that you can this kind of has good lighting and stuff But you know, it almost looks like a nice realistic bar and look at that character see you think that's somebody that scanned himself It looks like yeah Obviously yeah weird and so you know you look back at what we were just watching with Zuckerberg's You know metaverse, And it's so silly compared to this, you know, like graphic wise. It's like you can be anything and you want.

Speaker 0: Yeah, but isn't the metaverse stuff, the Zuckerberg stuff capable of doing things like this?

Speaker 1: Yeah. It's just that's why people, why it's not working. Like look at that. That looks like a real ice bin for popsicles, you know, like at a convenience store. You know, that's not the graphics you're seeing on Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg's very cartoony, very kids kind of feeling.

Speaker 0: Is that for all of them or just different software applications?

Speaker 1: Well, like you could play this on the headset, you know But the metaverse is the Facebook like they're trying to get you into that metaverse world and that's what's failed

Speaker 0: But it's other stuff in the metaverse like with those the oculus that they're hat that they have they have these virtual tours

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but that's not that's not like the metaverse That's like you can you can play the headsets just like a computer pretty much So you can download anything on it, you know.

Speaker 0: So the Metaverse is like a walled garden.

Speaker 1: Metaverse is like what we were just watching via chat where it's kind of like a chat.

Speaker 0: That's the real metaverse. But what Zuckerberg was trying to do, you're saying is like a walled garden. Like they were making it very specific to these apps. They were going to have these kind of cartoony things.

Speaker 1: Right. It's the metaverse is doing it through all these characters and stuff like that. I don't know. It's hard to, it's so hard to explain because it's, they made it confusing as fuck, you know?

Speaker 0: But if anybody can't explain, If you can't explain it, nobody can explain it.

Speaker 1: Right, that's a lot of the problem, you know. It's VR's taking off, the metaverse is just not taking off because Facebook wants you to live inside their world.

Speaker 0: And it's a world that they create,

Speaker 1: though.

Speaker 0: So that's what I mean by we're

Speaker 1: all garbage.

Speaker 0: So it's all their stuff.

Speaker 1: And it's also very stylistic.

Speaker 2: I kind of feel like if, I've been having the problem, if I haven't come across anything yet that Brian and I couldn't explain or show you in less than 3 minutes, then they haven't fucking figured

Speaker 1: it out yet.

Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Right. We're not there yet. So I'm like, I don't know. It seems close, but it seemed close for 4 years So

Speaker 0: yeah, I'm saying like with every iteration of the virtual reality world. It's like this is gonna be it but it's not

Speaker 2: I don't know how much the pandemic Would have slowed down production. I feel like it did fuck up some stuff well They were all working in offices doing stuff messing with these headsets because they have shown some behind like There's a video of Zuckerberg has I think on 60 minutes. They were showing someone behind the scenes prototype headsets

Speaker 0: Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: They have a thing that's It sticks out from the head like the eye area. It's ultrasonic Soundwaves that are pointed at your mouth and the lady that they had try as many as a guy They said they could feel raindrops on their on their mouth Jesus, and that was recreated with sound waves Yeah, physically touching like touching you, but that's not anything they have commercially available It's just like an in-house demo, and that sounds fucking cool, too But

Speaker 0: it seems like it's the neural link it seems like it's some sort of neural interface when that that hits Then all this shit's gonna make sense

Speaker 1: and that's even scarier because you don't know what you're seeing is real or not You know, that's sci-fi movie shit.

Speaker 0: You're gonna walk right off the top of

Speaker 1: a building exactly

Speaker 0: Yeah,

Speaker 1: you get hacked somehow or trolled and like you go into traffic, you know,

Speaker 0: yeah

Speaker 1: That's scary as fuck.

Speaker 0: Well, the future is always gonna be scary when it comes to things like this. Just technology in general. There's going to be some mistakes.

Speaker 1: You

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