- The goal is to make less decisions, build less, and give more decisions to social media founders
- Decentralized social is an interesting sector, but there are key differences from DeFi
- DeFi Summer had abundant liquidity and composability, which decentralized social lacks
- The macro environment and composability will determine if decentralized social becomes the next big thing
- Social is currently the most exciting sector in crypto
- Lens is an on-chain platform, while Forecaster and Frontek have different approaches to storage and scalability
- RWA (Real World Assets) is a major narrative in DeFi and could be the next big thing
- Founders in crypto should consider lessons learned and how to build the space

- The discussion is about social Fi and DeFi, as well as the founder's experience
- Lens is a set of social networking primitives for building social media applications
- Lens offers features like creating profiles, following other profiles, and collecting content
- Lens allows users to own their identity and follower graph, which can be transferred between applications
- Lens protocol focuses on empowering developers to build their own social media applications
- Lens initially launched without a client app to see what applications would be built using the protocol
- The protocol-first approach allowed the team to understand the needs of social media founders and create a flexible system
- Lens is seen as a bottom-up, crypto-native project with various applications built on top of the protocol
- The protocol should be the minimum set of rules that serves any use case in its category.

- The SD5 protocols currently in existence resemble on-chain systems with decentralized governance rather than simple protocols for networking and messaging data.
- The goal is to give more decision-making power to applications and social media founders, allowing for greater customization and enabling monetization.
- The experience of using Lens on the main net has been impressive, with founders building applications that have a seamless user experience.
- The challenge lies in building liquidity and getting startups to build on protocols, as seen in the example of 0x protocol.
- Depending on the social media context, liquidity can refer to content, networking, or user base.
- The success of protocols depends on working primitives and healthy feedback and monetization loops.
- Many DeFi protocols are not true primitives but rather on-chain products labeled as protocols.
- Lens V2 aims to be less opinionated and more open, with new primitives and components.
- Changes in architecture include separating profiles and handles, allowing for customization, and opening up the system to create any kind of on-chain action within publications.

- Lens aims to extend compatibility to anything that exists on chain, allowing all protocols and creations to use the Lens user base as a distribution channel.
- Lens V2 aims to be less opinionated, allowing developers to create generic actions and enabling users to perform actions directly on their Lens feed.
- The architecture of Lens V2 combines on-chain primitives with data availability on sales of primitives, giving users the option to transact on chain or use off-chain transactions.
- The Momoka tool allows users to create data availability content instead of on-chain content, providing a scalable solution for high-use cases and preserving internet artifacts.
- Momoka can be used with various data availability layers such as RB or IPFS, and transactions can be minted on-chain later if desired.
- Lens V2 offers a tiered approach to security and ownership, with options for private databases, DA layers, or on-chain storage based on user preferences.

- The Lens protocol allows developers to give users ownership of application properties in exchange for revenue.
- The protocol uses three layers of tokenization: follow, profiles, and collect.
- V2 of the protocol allows for smart contract integration and monetization of actions.
- The value capture layer allows revenue to be shared across applications and co-creators.
- Lens creates a monetization stream and a healthier ecosystem for applications.
- The protocol allows for programmable functions and the ability to set rules for engagement.
- Lens has 120,000 user profiles and users have created 3.4 million NFTs.
- The average user has collected about $50 in revenue from monetization.

- The goal is to have more open access to social media platforms and let the applications decide how users are onboarded.
- There is interest in building a financial aspect into social applications.
- The focus is on making Lens more open and compatible with different Web3 applications.
- Real-world assets (RWAs) have value in the blockchain space, and credit and treasure bills are potential asset classes to be tokenized next.
- Larger protocols in DeFi are gaining market share due to their scalability and user experience.
- Uniswap's approach of owning the entire value chain within DeFi is discussed, and the importance of frontend DeFi experiences for mass adoption is emphasized.

- The speaker believes that now is the best time to build DeFi and create a consumer-facing interface.
- They discuss the potential for Aave and Lens to work together and create valuable connections.
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of securing product-market fit and talking to users for founders in the DeFi and social space.
- They discuss how Aave found its first 100 users by targeting those interested in DeFi and who were technically knowledgeable.
- The Aave token did not play a significant role in the project's growth.
- Aave went through a pivot from a peer-to-peer model to a peer-to-protocol model based on the evolving DeFi landscape.
- Pivoting and intuition are important in the space, and a balance between data and intuition is necessary.
- The speaker recommends using on-chain data for decision-making.
- Founders are starting to use point systems in protocols on Solana.

- Lens is a decentralized social media platform that aims to give more decision-making power to social media founders.
- Lens allows users to own their identity and follower graph, which can be transferred between applications.
- Lens initially launched without a client app to see what applications would be built using the protocol.
- Lens V2 aims to be less opinionated and more open, allowing developers to create generic actions and enabling users to perform actions directly on their Lens feed.
- Lens has 120,000 user profiles and users have created 3.4 million NFTs.
- The protocol allows for programmable functions and the ability to set rules for engagement.
- Real-world assets (RWAs) have value in the blockchain space, and credit and treasure bills are potential asset classes to be tokenized next.
- Larger protocols in DeFi are gaining market share due to their scalability and user experience.
- The speaker emphasizes the importance of securing product-market fit and talking to users for founders in the DeFi and social space.
- Aave went through a pivot from a peer-to-peer model to a peer-to-protocol model based on the evolving DeFi landscape.

- The use of point systems in protocols is becoming more common in Solana and Ethereum.
- User acquisition is seen as less valuable compared to retention.
- The focus should be on creating a thoughtful system that attracts the desired users.
- Lens is focused on making the protocol more flexible and accessible to the general public.
- Lens V2 allows for more composability with other on-chain activities.
- Open actions on Lens V2 enable users to perform various actions on-chain, increasing the social experience.
- Monetization of the value chain through open actions and fees is a potential feature being explored.

- The speaker discusses three apps: FrenTag, Farcaster, and Lens
- FrenTag has a referral program where creators earn a fraction of fees from users they refer
- Farcaster has the best user experience, but lacks a compelling reason for normies to use it
- Lens is protocol-first and its success depends on the applications built on top of it
- FrenTag is a memecoin trading platform, Farcaster is a social platform, and Lens can be both
- The speaker enjoys using these platforms and will discuss FrenTag in more depth in the next episode

- Point systems are increasingly used in Solana and Ethereum protocols.
- User retention is prioritized over user acquisition.
- Creating a thoughtful system to attract desired users is crucial.
- Lens aims to enhance flexibility and accessibility for the general public.
- Lens V2 enables composability with other on-chain activities.
- Open actions on Lens V2 enhance the social experience.
- Monetization through open actions and fees is being explored.
- FrenTag has a referral program for creators to earn fees from user referrals.
- Farcaster offers a great user experience but lacks a compelling reason for normies to use it.
- Lens is protocol-first and its success depends on applications built on top of it.
- FrenTag is a memecoin trading platform, Farcaster is a social platform, and Lens can serve both purposes.
- The speaker will discuss FrenTag in more detail in the next episode.

Imran and Qiao invited Stani Kulechov to discuss how Lens V2 will impact decentralized social media.
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Timestamps:

00:00 Intro
01:14 Welcome to GoodGame
01:29 It seems like the next era of crypto is going to be decentralized social
02:38 Key differences between decentralized social and DeFi
06:42 Qiao: Social is the single most interesting area that's happening in crypto right now
07:39 What we would like to learn from Lens and Stani
09:48 Let's bring on Stani
11:31 What is Lens?
14:24 Lens didn't have a client app when it launched? 
18:26 The biggest difference between Lens and others (e.g. Farcaster)
26:00 What's new with Lens v2?
33:08 Everything is on-chain on Lens v1, how about v2? 
37:20 Is Momoka based on existing availability layer?
44:52 The follow function
50:17 Stani's thoughts on Friend.tech
52:02 You can build Friend.tech on Lens v2, right?
53:16 What does Stani think about RWAs? Does AAVE want to do anything in that area?
54:00 What's the most obvious asset to be tokenized next and get adopted in DeFi?
1:03:03 How did AAVE found its first 100 users?
1:05:09 How big of a role did AAVE token play in terms of growth?
1:05:57 Any major pivots from AAVE?
1:09:03 Stani's thoughts about point system and speculation
1:10:46 Is Lens thinking about airdrop, speculative points, etc?
1:11:36 Stani's final comments/thoughts
1:12:13 Outro / Debrief
1:12:26 Points that stood out to Qiao
1:13:58 One of the Lens v2 features Imran is excited about
1:17:22 Monetization of the value chain
1:20:27 Which app would be easy for normies to get onboarded to?

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Welcome to Goodgame, your No BS insights for crypto founders.

Our kind of like a goal is to think about, even on this was the goal on V2 that is coming up now, but also in the future, how we can actually make less decisions, build less, and give more decisions to these applications and social media founders and just support whatever they're trying to enable, including improving and enabling monetization for them.

So I think that's the right direction for us to go.

And I think I've been very surprised the level of some of these applications, because Lens has been in a main net roughly a bit over a year.

And many of these founders, they built from scratch applications that have a user experience that doesn't kind of like, you don't see the blockchain in the transactioning when you're using Lens, which is quite amazing.

And it's still kind of like the floor and there's no ceiling on the experience that you could actually build.

And I think we're just in the beginning phase of that.

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Today we're going to have Stani on from Lenz and Abe.

And it's interesting that we're bringing on both Stani this week and Dan Romero a couple of weeks ago in regards to Farcaster.

It seems really like the, I don't know if you want to call it the fall or the next era of crypto is going to be social, decentralized social.

Like, I mean, it's very similar to DeFi summer, right?

When some of the early protocols started to gain traction, right?

Like synthetics and Ethland at the time, compound with compound, like token farming launch.

So my heart says it's DeFi summer, but my brain says it's not.

Decentralized social is extremely, extremely interesting.

But there's some really key differences between decentralized social and DeFi.

And Number 1, it's really underappreciated.

But do you remember when DeFi summer happened?

right after COVID, right after Jerome turned on the printer.

And not just Jerome, it's Jerome and Biden at the same time.

Both the monetary and the fiscal policies.

And there was money being airdropped into people's bank accounts directly.

People had the money to gamble on things like DeFi.

DeFi back then was a total, it was a good casino.

I mean, it still is, but it was a casino.

Right now, there is no Jerome, there is no Biden.

And we're actually maybe half a year too early compared to like, if we assume that we're still in this four-year cycle.

We're actually half a year ahead of DeFi Summer when it comes to timeline.

Number 2, and this is what I really hope to see with decentralized social, was that 1 of the most magical things about DeFi Summer was the composability.

It's all these different protocols composing with each other that created all these random fruits, yam and pickles, all these things being traded on Uniswap and lending and staking and farming, all that stuff.

The composability was the key aspect of DeFi Summer.

What I really want to see with decentralized social, which we haven't seen yet, for example, on Frentech, I want to see more composability between Frentech and others or between Lens and others or between Farcaster and others.

I really hope to see that because if that happens, decentralized social is going to be DeFi summer.

And currently decentralized social isn't, or let's just take 1 at a time, like a front-end tech, let's say, or whatever, a forecaster or an analyst, it's not as playable as DeFi Summer yet.

And the playability comes from the composability, if that makes sense.

So anyway, those are the 2 key differences.

The first is, I agree, you know, liquidity was much more abundant, during the, early 2020s.

In fact, that's when Alliance launched, right?

I mean, we were around since 2019, but we launched our first cohort launched in March of 2020.

But you could argue that, you know, we've been termed and maybe we, I mean, from a macro perspective, I don't know if there's any more cuts, right?

I feel like we're pretty close to the end.

There could be a world where Q1 of 2024, we may see a reduction in rates, right?

That could start to inject more liquidity back into riskier assets.

So, I mean, that is a plausible play, Not saying it isn't.

So, and when you say 6 months, you're probably right.

You know, you have like the next 3 to 6 months, it's really about how the macro is going to change and evolve, but then also like all of these projects starting around the same time gives me the inclination that something is happening here, right?

Versus if you look at all the sectors in crypto, the most exciting sector as of right now is social.

And we could talk about Lens with Stani, And we talk a bit about all the cool stuff that's coming out with lens forecast and others.

And I think we're going to leave this for our front tech conversation, which we're going to record next week.

But there's a lot of new things that are happening on front tech.

And so every day I'm seeing at least 2 to 5 projects launching around the front tech ecosystem.

And I don't know, like, if we're getting ahead of ourselves, like we typically do, but you see things like lending, which I don't know how I feel about, right?

But you're seeing bots, you're seeing infrastructure being built, like something called Friendbook, where you get to see all the feeds aggregated.

There's a lot of cool things that are happening on the front-end tech ecosystem, but it might be too early.

What I do agree with you is that social is the single most important, or the single most interesting area that's happening in crypto right now.

And partly because, partly, it might be because there's no more money left.

Like all the speculative stuff is not happening anymore.

Like, DeFi is not really happening, NFTs are dead, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And then at the same time, Forecaster went to all-time high when it comes to users.

And then FriendTag basically captured the imagination of everyone on Twitter.

Social is, I mean, we spent 2 episodes talking about social precisely for this reason.

And this is like the final installment, let's say, of our social series, Because we're giving this a lot more thought because at least we think this is the most interesting sector as of now, and it could lead us to the next wave in the bull market.

And so with Lens and Stanee specifically, I'd love to learn more about what is Lens?

Like why is it everything is completely on chain, whether it's profiles, whether it's follows, comments, everything is on chain compared to let's say front tech or even forecaster.

So forecaster, they run their own nodes called hubs and the hubs will aggregate all of these messages and store them on its own like server, right, whether it's through a blockchain or through its own server, etc.

So they have some way of like scaling, while all of the storage and everything here happens on a data availability layer, right?

And so It's very interesting trade-offs in the way, you know, Stani and Len's team has thought about like storing and being able to create like on-chain identities versus Forecaster and even Frontek for that matter.

So great opportunity to just catch up and see where things are going.

So maybe talking a bit about Aave, like I'd love to learn more about the current DeFi ecosystem and RWAs because it Seems like RWAs is a major narrative in DeFi.

And in fact, there's a lot of public figures are staking their reputation on why RWAs are going to be the next big thing.

And a couple others are betting big, even Rune, the maker.

And so it'll be interesting to see how the RWA narrative plays out.

And also Synthetix, by definition is RWA.

So basically all the DeFi gods are using RWA now.

So it seems like RWA could be the next meta.

And then finally, him being a founder and what founders in crypto should be thinking about and how they should be building the space and lessons learned.

I think that could be also an important element.

Cool, well, I think we should bring Stani on.

Today we have Stani, the founder of Aave and Lens on to discuss both where social Fi is gonna go or crypto social and then more importantly also DeFi and what's happening with Aave and Go.

And finally, we'll probably touch a bit about his founders experience.

I think you're 1 of the first founders, Danny, in crypto to have started 2 companies in 2 different sectors.

And I think there are a lot of founders that are out there that are aspiring to do the same.

So I think lessons learned could be a really good element to just kind of give our founders an idea of what it takes to get to the level you're at.

So it's been quite a journey over the years.

I'm happy to share my experience and also what I'm working on today, both on Aave and on the Lens side.

Chao, any comments, questions before we get started?

So maybe I think for us, I'd love to dive deep into Lens first, just because there's just a lot happening.

Obviously, there's a lot happening in Aave too, but you know, with the most recent update on v2 and potentially a DevNet launch very soon coming up, I'd love to kind of talk about the architecture of Lens protocol first.

And why, how is it different from, you know, there are a few other crypto social apps today, like Barcaster, Frontex sort of.

And so maybe talking about what is Lens, and then maybe we could dive deeper into the architecture of Lens.

Yeah, I mean, to put it in a simple way, Lens is a set of social networking primitives that you can use when you're building social media applications.

So for example, what a primitive, for example, is that it's a simple feature or an idea that you can build different kinds of use cases.

And social networking has different kinds of online primitives these days.

For example, creating a profile, following other profiles, pretty much things that we do on an ongoing basis, creating publications, and then you have more web 3.0 native primitives, such as, for example, Collects, collecting content, whether it's music, art, or something, textual content.

So the protocol itself means that it has a multiple of these primitives.

So you can create a handle, your identity, you can create a profile, which is your follow graph, and both of those elements are secured by the blockchain.

So we're using on-chain in a way of securing ownership for the users.

What it doesn't mean is that developers trade ownership in their applications against revenue, for example, giving out handles, giving out the profile ownerships or some other ownership like content ownership.

And it's a very new idea in the past couple of years because we're used to make all of our social connections over an internet where there is no ownership.

So it's basically a land that is rented out.

So we're building these experiences and networks, our own personal networks, on a kind of like a rented out land.

And what it means is that currently in most cases, users profiles, their handles, their follow graph, the connections they're making are within the application.

So what Lens enables is that you can actually start bringing that ownership to the user and even add portability.

So if you own your identity and your follower graph, you can go from 1 application to another and just log in with Lens and you see your followers.

So instead of being a number in the database, they're actually secured on the blockchain.

So these are kind of like basic primitives that the lens protocol offers amongst other others.

And obviously, our goal is to help developers to build their social media applications because lens, our team, we don't have an application, We're basically servicing these developers to build their own and empowering them with on-chain technology.

Before we dive deep into the architecture, I want to call out something which is very interesting, which is, and I think Chau will find this amusing as well.

For the most part, most protocols that launch will always have some sort of client-side app, right?

That will enable to showcase both to the community and the people that this is the type of product that should be built, And this is where the team resources are being put behind it.

An example of this is like, let's say Forecaster recently, right?

Like they focus on having client first app.

For Lens, when you guys first launched, you didn't even have a client app, right?

So we, I mean, in the beginning, we were trying to also figure out our vision.

So originally we wanted to actually maybe even build an experience.

So we wanted to show examples of how you actually could build a social media application where all the blockchain logic happens in the background and is abstracted away from the users.

But this is already something that is done by many of the social media applications that are integrating Lens.

All of that is abstracted away from the user.

So in some ways, we wanted to first deploy the protocol and see what people will build and whether we see any applications.

And it actually happened that we saw some applications being built.

So there's, for example, Orb, that is a mobile-first application, Favor, Butterfly, and a couple of more open-source ones, like Lenstube and Lenstube, that are just community applications that can be forked by anyone if they want to create their own experience.

And this is very exciting because when you're building from solely a protocol perspective, it really puts you into a position where you have to listen to the developers and create a feedback loop where you're trying to understand what's valuable for these social media founders and their teams to build social media applications that have the 3 features.

And what are those things actually that are useful?

So for example, in most cases, you don't really need to integrate the whole Lens protocol.

Maybe you just want handles or profiles, or you just want to integrate a collect button into your blog as a social media primitive or whatever that might be from the stack.

And I think that flexibility is very valuable.

So the way I usually think about the whole protocol versus application approach is that a protocol is truly a protocol when it's basically has...

It is a primitive, meaning that it doesn't really limit developers to build a use case that they're interested in using that primitive.

If the protocol has enough rules and it's becoming opinionated, then it really isn't a protocol.

It's basically a smart contract based system supporting your own application use case.

And I think when we think about the protocols and applications, an application influences a protocol and a protocol influences an application and that's why it's hard to build a protocol that is very open, unopinionated and serves different kinds of use cases.

And that's why I think that being able to ship the protocol only, and not first, but just protocol only, it gave us actually perspective what these Web3 social builders actually need and what kind of use cases they could actually need some of these primitives.

And that has been quite, I would say, eye-revealing experience.

Just to touch on the point that both of you brought up, to me, the biggest difference that I've seen as a user between Lens and others, including Firecaster, is to me, Lens feels a lot more like a bottom-up crypto-native project.

You launch the protocol and you get a number of clients being built on top.

Whereas Firecaster, they're more top-down, focusing on the application.

Dan Romero actually calls it application-driven protocol development.

way, I've used a dozen of applications on Lens.

There's a YouTube on Lens, there's Instagram, and there's many other different behaviors or experiences on Lens, but based on the same social graph, based on the same profiles.

And that, to me, is the biggest difference I've seen.

I do think that, let's say that if we will build an application, that application will drive quite a lot on what the protocol should be.

And I think that's kind of like a hard part to achieve because a protocol should be the minimum set of rules that actually serves any use case on that particular category.

If you look, for example, today, many of the SD5 protocols out there, they seem more like on-chain systems, like end-to-end systems with a decentralized governance on top than purely like a protocol to network and message data and kind of like assert different kinds of use cases.

And also like if it's too limited, it means that a lot of the use cases will look quite the same.

This was the goal on v2 that is coming up now, but also in the future, how we can actually make less decisions, build less, and give more decisions to these applications and social media founders, and just support whatever they're trying to enable, including improving and enabling monetization for them.

And I think I've been very surprised the level of some of these applications because Lens has been in the main net roughly a bit over a year.

And I'll give you an example of 0x protocol back in 2017.

If you remember 0x protocol, Sandy, I'm sure you do.

When they first launched, they launched as a protocol and they wanted AMMs and DEXs to be built on top.

And 0x protocol was supposed to be the liquidity layer to enable seamless liquidity between all the AMMs or DEXs being built on Xerox Protocol.

But it turns out that it was a very hard problem to solve because getting DEXs to be built on Xerox Protocol was actually very hard.

I remember like 20, 30 startups that built around that ecosystem and ultimately they all kind of fizzled out because it's very hard to bootstrap, you know, a very strong, you know, getting liquidity on the protocol and then getting all the startups building around that ecosystem.

And then so they ended up focusing on matcha, right?

So then they launched matcha, built like a first party product, and then they were able to bring on more and more people using the 0x protocol.

So I'm curious on like how you thought about that, and then what you're building now, and why you think this approach is going to work.

It's really interesting perspective because in some ways, kind of like, sometimes it depends what we think about liquidity in kind of like a social media context.

So, and depending obviously on the primitive.

So for some social media applications, it might be the content itself.

So the content liquidity or the networking liquidity that people are connecting to each other and making connections.

And I think you kind of like have that shared liquidity when you plug in Lens.

If you're building something new, or you're building simply a game, let's say a simple...

We've seen a few games like this kind of like a Flappy Bird type of a game spelled on Lens.

There's a couple of teams focusing on just building games and integrating Lens for the idea of that you could have this user base that you can tap into.

So if you allow to sign with Lens and allow the lens users to come and play, you already have this kind of like a network liquidity in the sense of the users.

Maybe you're building a publication, sort of like a content application that focuses on content.

For example, what Twitter is today or Instagram with a new experience, then you might want to tap into the kind of like a shared social graph, but it's in that content there.

But in some cases, you might just want to start from scratch, and you just want the tools to build out your own liquidity and you have your own recipe, what you need, but you want to have those 3 primitives and you want to have monetization.

I do think The challenge with that case is that these primitives, they actually need to work.

And the more new primitives we have, we can actually test them out, what works and what doesn't work.

And those that doesn't, they necessarily don't need to exist, for example.

But it might be that there's 1 particular primitive that works for everyone.

And as long as there's a healthy feedback and monetization loops between a protocol and developers all the way to their end users, there's more chances to work.

And I think the Xerox example, I think also the challenge there is that where do you start when you want to build, let's say a decentralized exchange, what do you need to make it actually successful?

So here's the problem that we're talking about.

The protocol, if it's too limited, and if it limits to what you can actually build, that's gonna be the main challenge because it's not a protocol, then it's something else.

But if it's just a simple primitive that you can utilize, maybe that's liquidity at a certain price or just simple routing, it's easier to build on that.

And as I mentioned before, most of the DeFi protocols, they are not really primitives.

You know, they're just on-chain systems that then many of these projects, they basically invite developers to build on top of that system.

But it's not a kind of like a something where you can take from the shelf an exact primitive that helps you to build something new and is non-restrictive.

I think that's where the difference becomes, because it's very easy that a lot of these teams label their on-chain systems as protocols, but factually they're just products on-chain.

This is a good segue into LensV2, because I'm sure you've learned a ton from working with developers on V1, which has been around for a couple of years now.

What are some of the new primitives you're thinking about?

Because I've seen your announcement and there seems to be quite a few new primitives on v2 and maybe the architecture is completely different too.

So maybe talk about your vision and what V2 looks like.

Yeah, I think when we started to build Lens V1, our idea was to build a modularized protocol.

So you have different components that you could actually use or customize.

So for example, there's a specific module that you can actually use, like a follow module.

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