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In this exceptional episode of The Ranveer Show Podcast, we are pleased to welcome one of the most prestigious personalities of the Government of India, Dr. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar. He is an Indian diplomat and politician, serving as the Minister of External Affairs of the Government of India.

In this informative episode, Dr. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar talked about topics that are closely related to Geopolitics. He shares his experience of working with Prime Minister Narendra Modi and what are the challenges he has to face as the Minister of External Affairs. He further discusses the Role of Artificial Intelligence and Quantum Computing in the field of Geopolitics and put light on the situation of Brain Drain in the Country. 

This is one of the most special episodes that I’ve been a part of considering my interest in Geopolitics and India’s bright future. Being in conversation with Dr. Subrahmanyam Jaishankar was an overwhelming yet fantastic experience. 

I hope you enjoy this episode. Feel free to comment down any thoughts you have about the whole conversation.

0:00 – Dr. S. Jaishankar x Ranveer Begins 
2:38 – Political side of Dr.Jaishankar
6:02 – PM Modi’s thought on S Jaishankar
7:13 – Role of Sixth Sense in Geopolitics 
9:40 – Dr. Jaishankar on PM Modi 
11:40 – Current Challenges 
13:38 – Advice to all Entrepreneurs 
16:54 – Interaction with other Ministers 
19:30 – Dr. S. Jaishankar’s Outlook on His Profession
21:45 – Role of Artificial Intelligence
24:35 – About Quantum Computing 
29:00 – How to reverse brain drain?
33:20 – Why did he consider TRS Podcast?
34:35 – A message to all Young Leaders
38:38 – Thank you for watching

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What's your message to all the young Virat Kohli's watching this and young Jemima Rodriks is watching this who will take the country further?

You know, I'm so glad you used the second name.

I think when I watch the women's league, like watching a new emerging kind of activity.

You know Vikings would always invade with the women as well.

You know, I'm doing this podcast 1 because I like you.

Jai Shankar, the Minister of External Affairs on TRS.

Possibly the most requested episode we've had in the longest time because we've done so much geopolitical content and this legend has come up so much on the show that we just had to bring him on TRS.

Keep in mind this is a very short episode.

There was a time constraint because of schedules on that particular day.

So I couldn't podcast exactly the way I wanted to with Dr.

You're going to see an incredible episode of TRS up ahead.

Special thanks to my GovIndia for making this happen.

This is my mid-20s dream to talk to this man.

Considering how much he's done for the country, considering how he's rewritten the country's branding on a global stage.

This was a great icebreaker with the legend.

As I said earlier, I was a little nervous to speak to the cabinet ministers but Dr.

Jai Shankar made me feel extremely comfortable.

That's his actual real life vibe if you're a young motivated Indian.

And that's what this particular episode 1 with Dr.

It was about the young, the new and the motivated India.

I hope you enjoyed this particular episode.

I hope every single young Indian watches this episode because to be honest, jokes apart, we're living through some intense times and we need to turn to people like Dr.

Jai Shankar for guidance about the future.

So I'm gonna let you slip into the episode.

We will come back with a much longer 1 with Dr.

But for now, Enjoy this legendary piece of TRS.

The most requested podcast possibly that we ever had.

How are you and why do you think that is?

But I would say probably people are more interested in foreign policy.

I mean geopolitics is 1 of those subjects that people have been lapping up only recently.

And you're the poster boy for everything that's happening correct geopolitically for India.

But, you know, I, in a way, it's, it's natural.

Look, what do we do most of the time, you get up in the morning, first thing you do is reach out for your phone, right?

And see what is it you missed when you're sleeping.

What it's done is it has connected us completely to the world.

And because of the phone and then you build everything around it.

Once you start Getting used to global content and global comparisons.

Then, you know, what you eat, what you read, what you think, everything becomes global.

You know, we are, I mean, that's why they call it globalization.

Right now you're very popular on Shorts and Reels.

I feel like Virat Kohli and yourself are the faces of young India.

There's a slight age difference between us.

No, but you're still the guy young India is cheering for.

When we see you up there talking to all these people from other countries, we're like, yup, that's the response that they should get.

Look, you know, I'm a trained diplomat, whose general SOP is, you know, keep it, play it cool, sort of don't make too many waves, etc.

Now partly I've transitioned into being a political face.

But even I would say the diplomatic side of me, which is still very deep, after I've done it for 45 years, maybe more now, it's like this.

I'm very nice to people who are nice to me.

When I get pushed, I think it's natural to push back.

And 1 of the things that has been happening to a bit is in the last year, year and a half, people have been pushing us a bit.

So I feel, I mean, it's you raised, you brought up Virat Kohli and cricket analogy, you know, if you get a few bouncers, you want to do something with it.

You know, when you say the sentence, when I get pushed in many ways, your I get pushed is actually when India gets and you are the personification of India on a global scale.

Keeping that in mind, I want to ask you why PM Modi said that you have adbhut thoughts.

No, I, I not, he didn't exactly say adbhut.

Look, to be very frank, we had got off a plane.

I was myself a little bit zonked getting off the plane.

And he was talking about just outside to a group of supporters.

I guess what he was really saying is, look, this guy has watched a lot of people come and go so he's seen a lot so maybe you should talk to him and ask him what you know what's different what's your gauge?

No I don't think it was so much what he was talking about me.

He was actually saying that look guys, talk to him.

Because he will tell you how much, you know, the Prime Minister's visits have changed, how much foreign policy has changed, how much the country has changed.

So, it was more his, it was my thoughts rather than me as a subject that he was talking about.

I had Ishanth Sharma on the show yesterday.

And he spoke about how after a certain point, Because you've played so much cricket and you have so many experiences that you've had.

Some people would call pattern recognition intuition or the sixth sense.

I am a 100% sure that even on a geopolitical scale, there is a role of your sixth sense.

Like a slightly higher level of pattern recognition or even go 1 level higher than that?

Look, what happens is there is, this is partly experience, but it's partly also hard work.

Any business, again, we are using a sports, but I would use it in my own line of work.

You spend a lot of time reading other players, understanding their game, their play, how does it work, their mind games, which they try on you.

So you try to see patterns in other people, in other countries, in other foreign ministries, etc.

So in that sense, it's a competitive activity.

So if you're going up against a competitor, And I am a very competitive person.

I mean, when you ask me, that bit I absolutely let you know.

I mean, I try to work out as much of it in sports, but I still have a lot left over for my real business.

So if you are a competitive person, all the time your sixth sense, as you call it, is working on your, you know, 1 part I'm listening to you, but if I've seen you do this before, we've talked before, I've prepared by watching you or studying you before, the sixth sense takes over.

So sometimes, you know, when you are in a situation, people sometimes ask you saying, Oh, did you think about that line before?

I mean, that sixth sense takes over at that time because you already kind of, you know, it's moving faster than your mind.

And it's actually telling you, okay, they're going to hit you with this.

So you see that coming at you before it actually comes at you.

So that's I would say it's more like an instinct.

But you know, I just want to round off the earlier point.

I think 1 part is we're really living under Prime Minister Modi in a different era.

He has been in many ways, personally transformational.

He's churned the system in a very, very radical way.

I joined the government When another Gujarati was a prime minister Maraji Desai, okay, so that's how far back I go Huh, a lot of people of you know, your listeners would be wondering.

Okay, what the hell is I'm talking about?

You're still the poster boy of young India,

but but look it's not often you get people in any line of business leave alone in something like running a nation.

You can have the big thoughts, the strategic ideas, the grand vision.

Very seriously, you have the revolutionary concepts that you chart out, okay, there's a different way of looking at a problem.

And then you have going down to the details saying, okay, this needs to be tweaked, that detail needs to be looked at, this problem needs to be fixed.

Guys, you haven't done the backup on this.

Usually, there are talented people, inspired people who get the big picture.

There are people who are very grounded, who kind of go down, drill down, it's very rare to find it in 1 person.

And that I would say to me is a very singular quality of Prime Minister Modi.

And That makes it very, in a way, very interesting to work with him, but it makes it very challenging because he can challenge you right up there.

Look, the world's a tough place right now.

You had this Ukraine conflict, and all the consequences which came out of it, energy, food, inflation, fertilizer.

If we had not handled it well, we actually, the Indian consumer today, the average person, you and me, it would have actually hit us in our pockets.

We would have seen much higher inflation.

We'd be paying much more for our oil than we are.

So I'm actually looking at a world where everything is coming at me at the same time.

I have a set of border problems on the boundary, border areas with the Chinese.

I have the pending or the old problem with the Pakistanis who have been doing terrorism for so long.

And for me, 1 big part is how foreign policy is not a kind of a board game or an academic exercise.

So in my own mind, it's like, how do I get this foreign policy for you, you personally?

How do I look after you when you get into problems?

How do I make sure if you're a student that you can work on the side and support yourself?

Or that you don't have to wait for 2 and a half years for a visa by a foreign embassy.

So it's as I said, I've also learned these small things, it's the big things, you've got to get them both right.

The 1 truth I've learned about geopolitics is that it's money-oriented.

If you have the money, it helps you geopolitically.

The second truth I've learned is that, and this I've learned in the last 3 days speaking to the cabinet ministers.

Is that the role of entrepreneurs is just do your own thing, create employment, increase the exports of the country, help the country become richer.

Would you like to give the youth and especially entrepreneurs any other geopolitical advice when it comes to this?

I don't want to use the phrase India vs China, but this whole scenario, how can we help?

No, look, I think you're smart not using that phrase India vs China for this reason.

Yes, we have issues with China, but that's not the only issue.

I mean, we have to be fundamentally competitive.

If I do not have the factories, if I do not have the, as you say, the entrepreneurship, the businesses, the startup, the agriculture, the infrastructure, it's not just the Chinese.

The rest of the world will also run over me.

You know, it is at the end of the day, there are roughly 200 nations in the world.

After that, once you start grading them, there will be a zone.

There'll be a zone of countries who constantly compete with each other.

So you'd have a Europe, you'd have an America, Russia, China, then you add maybe countries who are economically smaller than us, but they would compete in certain fields.

So I mean, say, for example, you have a Vietnam.

But the fact is, Vietnam competes when it comes to certain kinds of investment.

The bottom line, I think what the young people need to know is that today, it is all about building strengths.

That when you say make in India, when you say start up India, when you say Gati Shakti, nobody is going to manufacture in India if your infrastructure is lousy.

So they need to see the smart ports, the good roads, the rapid movement of goods.

If you have to do all this, if you really need to create jobs, to me, at the end of the day, it's all about creating jobs and opportunities.

Even foreign policy, I would say, especially foreign policy, is 1 route.

Which is, our job is also to market India.

To make India a magnet so that the rest of the world says, okay, these are responsible guys, these are safe guys.

You know, they're not going to steal your stuff.

Basically chase excellence, create employment.

And as we move forward in this chase of individual excellence, you will achieve national excellence.

In the sport of global, I mean in the global sport of geopolitics.

When you meet 1 of our rival nation's foreign ministers, like we saw you doing the Namaste to Bilawal Bhutto, what is your interaction with him, which the news doesn't capture, which only podcast can potentially capture.

And what's your interaction like with say the Chinese foreign minister if you meet him?

Okay, there's a lot of nuance, you know, body language, how you dress, what you say, how you look, how you hold your hands or don't hold your hands.

It depends on the person, it depends on the situation, it depends on the context of the relationship.

So you try to use, it's a bit like a choreography.

So you use that occasion to do the signaling.

So I wouldn't say there's a single formula.

What's the most pissed off you've gotten at 1 of these meetings?

I'm sure something would have been said that just irritated you as a human being and what was your response?

And you don't need a name or you can name if you wish.

You know, rarely by personal things because mostly I've learned to absorb it.

What happens is things do get under my skin.

I was actually landed, I forget, from Bangalore or something on a plane, and I saw this picture of this guy climbing up the Indian High Commission in London and trying to pull down a flag.

Oh, if people, they try and score points.

But if I feel in some way the collective I, in some way is demeaned or attacked or something.

That eye, as you rightly said, is not me the eye, but I the India.

But that sense that somewhere if you're not given the respect or you're not, if your people are condescending, sometimes people ambush you.

And professionally, When do you feel the most alive?

When do you feel that you were born to do exactly this?

That's a feeling which kind of grew on me over a period of time.

Part of it was, you know, I actually studied international relations, which is not that usual for people in diplomats.

Now, I'm only the second foreign minister who's actually been a diplomat.

Natwar Singh was the only other guy who'd been in that.

So in a sense, my studies, my first long profession, my current responsibility, and even I had a brief break in business.

I was with the Tata group and they gave me a kind of role in international business.

So I've been doing in that sense that feeling that you're bound to do this frankly has grown a lot.

And in a way, you know, I also came from a household which was very international.

I mean, you know, my family relationships are international.

But at this stage of your life, is there any moment?

Occasionally, you know, I do give lifestyle advice to younger people.

Rarely, rarely, mostly when they ask, okay, I don't dispense otherwise.

I tell people, look, if you like, if you really like doing something, you'll be very good at it.

The problem with most of us is we end up doing things which are not necessarily what we want to do.

It's what we're told to do or circumstances make you.

So for me, look, I always liked reading about the world.

So, you know, it's been a mix of all of that so that what you say we are bound to do it.

This is a question that comes from the engineer inside me.

Are you following the AI revolution based on whatever is happening in the world?

I mean, that was just an intro to the question.

Let's talk a little bit about the role of AI.

I would love for you to also give an input on the role of quantum computing because it's come up in geopolitical conversations.

How do you look at it from your perspective?

The future of technology, I don't know if you should watch this show called Black Mirror.

Okay, it's about the technologies that are upcoming.

And you all know Harari says that the stuff they've shown in Black Mirror is so realistic it's either already happening or it's going to happen in 5 to 10 years.

Possibly because science fiction determines where science goes.

But do you follow whatever is happening in the world of engineering technology?

And how do you look at it affecting our country, our foreign policy, etc, etc?

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