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What's your message to all the young Virat Kohli's watching this and young Jemima Rodriks is watching this who will take the country further?

You know, I'm so glad you used the second name. I think when I watch the women's league, like watching a new emerging kind of activity.

You know Vikings would always invade with the women as well.

Okay, all

right. We need to be Vikings now.

You notice I'm not disputing it.

Why are you doing this podcast?

You know, I'm doing this podcast 1 because I like you.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen. This is Dr. Jai Shankar, the Minister of External Affairs on TRS. Possibly the most requested episode we've had in the longest time because we've done so much geopolitical content and this legend has come up so much on the show that we just had to bring him on TRS. Keep in mind this is a very short episode.

There was a time constraint because of schedules on that particular day. So I couldn't podcast exactly the way I wanted to with Dr. Jai Shankar, but it's a beginning. You're going to see an incredible episode of TRS up ahead. Special thanks to my GovIndia for making this happen.

This is my mid-20s dream to talk to this man. Considering how much he's done for the country, considering how he's rewritten the country's branding on a global stage. This was a great icebreaker with the legend. As I said earlier, I was a little nervous to speak to the cabinet ministers but Dr. Jai Shankar made me feel extremely comfortable.

That's his actual real life vibe if you're a young motivated Indian. And that's what this particular episode 1 with Dr. Jai Shankar was about. It was about the young, the new and the motivated India. I hope you enjoyed this particular episode.

I hope every single young Indian watches this episode because to be honest, jokes apart, we're living through some intense times and we need to turn to people like Dr. Jai Shankar for guidance about the future. So I'm gonna let you slip into the episode. It is a slightly shorter episode. We will come back with a much longer 1 with Dr.

Jai Shankar. But for now, Enjoy this legendary piece of TRS. Dr. Jai Shankar. The most requested podcast possibly that we ever had.

How are you and why do you think that is?

I'm good. Been a busy few weeks. But I would say probably people are more interested in foreign policy.

Nowadays.

Nowadays. And maybe they'll come to watch you. You know.

I mean geopolitics is 1 of those subjects that people have been lapping up only recently. But lapping it up heavily. And you're the poster boy for everything that's happening correct geopolitically for India.

Okay, that's good to know. But, you know, I, in a way, it's, it's natural. Look, what do we do most of the time, you get up in the morning, first thing you do is reach out for your phone, right? And see what is it you missed when you're sleeping. What it's done is it has connected us completely to the world.

And because of the phone and then you build everything around it. Once you start Getting used to global content and global comparisons. Then, you know, what you eat, what you read, what you think, everything becomes global. You know, we are, I mean, that's why they call it globalization. Okay.

A Simple question for you. Who is Dr. S.J. Shankar the man? Like that people don't know.

I'll tell you why. Right now you're very popular on Shorts and Reels. For your very aggressive comebacks. And your very aggressive responses. And in many ways...

I feel like Virat Kohli and yourself are the faces of young India. In some ways.

There's a slight age difference between us.

No, but you're still the guy young India is cheering for. When we see you up there talking to all these people from other countries, we're like, yup, that's the response that they should get.

Look, you know, I'm a trained diplomat, whose general SOP is, you know, keep it, play it cool, sort of don't make too many waves, etc. Now partly I've transitioned into being a political face. But even I would say the diplomatic side of me, which is still very deep, after I've done it for 45 years, maybe more now, it's like this. I'm very nice to people who are nice to me. When I get pushed, I think it's natural to push back.

And 1 of the things that has been happening to a bit is in the last year, year and a half, people have been pushing us a bit. So I feel, I mean, it's you raised, you brought up Virat Kohli and cricket analogy, you know, if you get a few bouncers, you want to do something with it. Hit that bullshot.

Yeah. Okay. You know, when you say the sentence, when I get pushed in many ways, your I get pushed is actually when India gets and you are the personification of India on a global scale. Keeping that in mind, I want to ask you why PM Modi said that you have adbhut thoughts.

No, I, I not, he didn't exactly say adbhut. I think he said, wo andar hoon hi.

Andar hoon hi.

Haan, ki unko bahut anubhav hai. Look, to be very frank, we had got off a plane. I was myself a little bit zonked getting off the plane. And he was talking about just outside to a group of supporters. And I guess I didn't ask him after that.

Okay. I guess what he was really saying is, look, this guy has watched a lot of people come and go so he's seen a lot so maybe you should talk to him and ask him what you know what's different what's your gauge? What's different?

Yeah about you?

No I don't think it was so much what he was talking about me. He was actually saying that look guys, talk to him. Because he will tell you how much, you know, the Prime Minister's visits have changed, how much foreign policy has changed, how much the country has changed. So, it was more his, it was my thoughts rather than me as a subject that he was talking about. That's my take on it.

I think it's 1 and the same thing. Whatever. Okay. I had Ishanth Sharma on the show yesterday.

Oh really?

And he spoke about how after a certain point, Because you've played so much cricket and you have so many experiences that you've had. Your pattern recognition improves. Some people would call pattern recognition intuition or the sixth sense. I am a 100% sure that even on a geopolitical scale, there is a role of your sixth sense. Absolutely.

I agree with you.

Can you talk a little bit about this? Like a slightly higher level of pattern recognition or even go 1 level higher than that? Is there like a spiritual aspect? I mean, I use that word cautiously.

No. Look, what happens is there is, this is partly experience, but it's partly also hard work. Any business, again, we are using a sports, but I would use it in my own line of work. You spend a lot of time reading other players, understanding their game, their play, how does it work, their mind games, which they try on you. So you try to see patterns in other people, in other countries, in other foreign ministries, etc.

Just like you do in sports. So in that sense, it's a competitive activity. So if you're going up against a competitor, And I am a very competitive person. I mean, when you ask me, that bit I absolutely let you know. I mean, I try to work out as much of it in sports, but I still have a lot left over for my real business.

So if you are a competitive person, all the time your sixth sense, as you call it, is working on your, you know, 1 part I'm listening to you, but if I've seen you do this before, we've talked before, I've prepared by watching you or studying you before, the sixth sense takes over. So sometimes, you know, when you are in a situation, people sometimes ask you saying, Oh, did you think about that line before? I didn't. I mean, that sixth sense takes over at that time because you already kind of, you know, it's moving faster than your mind. And it's actually telling you, okay, they're going to hit you with this.

So you're already processing it. So you see that coming at you before it actually comes at you. So that's I would say it's more like an instinct. You call it spirituality. I wouldn't go that far.

But you know, sure. There you have. But you know, I just want to round off the earlier point. You asked me what did PM mean by that? What has changed?

I think 1 part is we're really living under Prime Minister Modi in a different era. He has been in many ways, personally transformational. He's churned the system in a very, very radical way. I joined the government When another Gujarati was a prime minister Maraji Desai, okay, so that's how far back I go Huh, a lot of people of you know, your listeners would be wondering. Okay, what the hell is I'm talking about?

No, no, huh?

You're still the poster boy of young India,

but but look it's not often you get people in any line of business leave alone in something like running a nation. You can have the big thoughts, the strategic ideas, the grand vision. Very seriously, you have the revolutionary concepts that you chart out, okay, there's a different way of looking at a problem. That's 1 skill. And then you have going down to the details saying, okay, this needs to be tweaked, that detail needs to be looked at, this problem needs to be fixed.

Guys, you haven't done the backup on this. Usually, there are talented people, inspired people who get the big picture. There are people who are very grounded, who kind of go down, drill down, it's very rare to find it in 1 person. And that I would say to me is a very singular quality of Prime Minister Modi. And That makes it very, in a way, very interesting to work with him, but it makes it very challenging because he can challenge you right up there.

He can challenge you right down there.

What's your current challenge?

Look, the world's a tough place right now. You barely come out of this COVID thing. You had this Ukraine conflict, and all the consequences which came out of it, energy, food, inflation, fertilizer. If we had not handled it well, we actually, the Indian consumer today, the average person, you and me, it would have actually hit us in our pockets. We would have seen much higher inflation.

We'd be paying much more for our oil than we are. So I'm actually looking at a world where everything is coming at me at the same time. There's a health issue coming at me. There's an energy issue coming at me. I have a set of border problems on the boundary, border areas with the Chinese.

I have the pending or the old problem with the Pakistanis who have been doing terrorism for so long. And at the same time, I'm growing. My people are traveling abroad. And for me, 1 big part is how foreign policy is not a kind of a board game or an academic exercise. It actually affects every person.

So in my own mind, it's like, how do I get this foreign policy for you, you personally? Right. How do I secure you when you travel? How do I look after you when you get into problems? How do I make sure if you're a student that you can work on the side and support yourself?

Or that you don't have to wait for 2 and a half years for a visa by a foreign embassy. So it's as I said, I've also learned these small things, it's the big things, you've got to get them both right.

The 1 truth I've learned about geopolitics is that it's money-oriented. If you have the money, it helps you geopolitically. The second truth I've learned is that, and this I've learned in the last 3 days speaking to the cabinet ministers.

Alright.

Is that the role of entrepreneurs is just do your own thing, create employment, increase the exports of the country, help the country become richer. Would you like to give the youth and especially entrepreneurs any other geopolitical advice when it comes to this? I don't want to use the phrase India vs China, but this whole scenario, how can we help?

No, look, I think you're smart not using that phrase India vs China for this reason. Yes, we have issues with China, but that's not the only issue. I mean, we have to be fundamentally competitive. If I do not have the factories, if I do not have the, as you say, the entrepreneurship, the businesses, the startup, the agriculture, the infrastructure, it's not just the Chinese. The rest of the world will also run over me.

You know, it is at the end of the day, there are roughly 200 nations in the world. Okay, maybe about

125,

maybe much smaller. After that, once you start grading them, there will be a zone. There'll be a zone of countries who constantly compete with each other. They could even be friends. The US and Europe are friends.

They compete like hell. So you'd have a Europe, you'd have an America, Russia, China, then you add maybe countries who are economically smaller than us, but they would compete in certain fields. So I mean, say, for example, you have a Vietnam. A Vietnam is a much smaller economy. But the fact is, Vietnam competes when it comes to certain kinds of investment.

The bottom line, I think what the young people need to know is that today, it is all about building strengths. That when you say make in India, when you say start up India, when you say Gati Shakti, nobody is going to manufacture in India if your infrastructure is lousy. So they need to see the smart ports, the good roads, the rapid movement of goods. If you have to do all this, if you really need to create jobs, to me, at the end of the day, it's all about creating jobs and opportunities. There are many roads to it.

Even foreign policy, I would say, especially foreign policy, is 1 route. Which is, our job is also to market India. To brand India. To make India a magnet so that the rest of the world says, okay, these are responsible guys, these are safe guys. Let's go and do business.

You know, they're not going to steal your stuff.

Okay. Basically chase excellence, create employment.

Absolutely.

And as we move forward in this chase of individual excellence, you will achieve national excellence.

Absolutely.

In the sport of global, I mean in the global sport of geopolitics.

Absolutely. Alright. Well said.

When you meet 1 of our rival nation's foreign ministers, like we saw you doing the Namaste to Bilawal Bhutto, what is your interaction with him, which the news doesn't capture, which only podcast can potentially capture. And what's your interaction like with say the Chinese foreign minister if you meet him? Diplomacy

is an art of detail in a way. Okay, there's a lot of nuance, you know, body language, how you dress, what you say, how you look, how you hold your hands or don't hold your hands. So all of this counts. It depends on the person, it depends on the situation, it depends on the context of the relationship. Yes, that also.

So you try to use, it's a bit like a choreography. So you use that occasion to do the signaling. I could modulate it depending on that. So it would depend on the situation. So there are times and occasions.

So I wouldn't say there's a single formula.

Okay. Very raw question for you. So pardon me if I'm crossing a line.

No, no, no.

What's the most pissed off you've gotten at 1 of these meetings? I'm sure something would have been said that just irritated you as a human being and what was your response? And you don't need a name or you can name if you wish.

You know, rarely by personal things because mostly I've learned to absorb it. I take its power for the cause for me. What happens is things do get under my skin. And I give you a recent example. I've spoken about it.

I was actually landed, I forget, from Bangalore or something on a plane, and I saw this picture of this guy climbing up the Indian High Commission in London and trying to pull down a flag. So absolutely, it got under my skin. Oh, if people, they try and score points. Personal points, I just shrug it. But if I feel in some way the collective I, in some way is demeaned or attacked or something.

Yes? That's when I get pushed. Okay. That eye, as you rightly said, is not me the eye, but I the India. But that sense that somewhere if you're not given the respect or you're not, if your people are condescending, sometimes people ambush you.

Okay. And professionally, When do you feel the most alive? When do you feel that you were born to do exactly this?

That's a feeling which kind of grew on me over a period of time. Part of it was, you know, I actually studied international relations, which is not that usual for people in diplomats. Now, I'm only the second foreign minister who's actually been a diplomat. Natwar Singh was the only other guy who'd been in that. So in a sense, my studies, my first long profession, my current responsibility, and even I had a brief break in business.

Even that was international. I was with the Tata group and they gave me a kind of role in international business. So I've been doing in that sense that feeling that you're bound to do this frankly has grown a lot. And in a way, you know, I also came from a household which was very international. I live international.

I mean, you know, my family relationships are international. I spend most of my time international. So I guess it's sort of in you.

Okay. But at this stage of your life, is there any moment?

Occasionally, you know, I do give lifestyle advice to younger people. Rarely, rarely, mostly when they ask, okay, I don't dispense otherwise. I tell people, look, if you like, if you really like doing something, you'll be very good at it. The problem with most of us is we end up doing things which are not necessarily what we want to do.

It's what we're told to do.

It's what we're told to do or circumstances make you. Shock. Okay. So for me, look, I always liked reading about the world. I like listening to music of the world.

I like eating global food. Sometimes consuming YouTube podcasts. So, you know, it's been a mix of all of that so that what you say we are bound to do it. Yeah, sure. I mean, all of this gets into that.

Yeah, you know, it's a natural. Okay. All right.

This is a question that comes from the engineer inside me. Are you following the AI revolution based on whatever is happening in the world? I'm sure you are. I mean, that was just an intro to the question. Okay, that's podcasting techniques.

Let's talk a little bit about the role of AI. I would love for you to also give an input on the role of quantum computing because it's come up in geopolitical conversations. Uh-huh. How do you look at it from your perspective? The future of technology, I don't know if you should watch this show called Black Mirror.

No, I

haven't. Okay, it's about the technologies that are upcoming. Uh-huh. And you all know Harari says that the stuff they've shown in Black Mirror is so realistic it's either already happening or it's going to happen in 5 to 10 years.

Or it'll happen once you watch the show.

Possibly because science fiction determines where science goes. But do you follow whatever is happening in the world of engineering technology? And how do you look at it affecting our country, our foreign policy, etc, etc?

You know, I'm not an engineer. And I'll give you what I hope is like a common sense answer from my perspective. And I'll take you back actually to your first question. You asked me, do I watch patterns? Okay.

Sure, I watch patterns. That's how I do my business. That's why I think I can be good at my business. Now, just imagine I am humanly, because I have limited capabilities as a human being, I'm watching the patterns of 200 people who I deal with every day. Imagine if I could process the patterns of 200 million people.

That's the world which you are talking about. But I would each 1 of us, we are like a walking emitter of electronic patterns. Okay. You know, what you download, what you say, what you listen to, what you buy, what you eat. You're creating, I mean earlier on there would have been a pattern, but you couldn't see it.

Okay, today that pattern is organized. It has actually become a business. It has become politics. It has become strategy. It is actually at the end of the day, this how do you sort of mega process patterns and that then gives you a fantastic edge.

So I mean, imagine a Virat Kohli who has at his fingertips everything about everybody is ever going to be batting against. And that's a dream world.

You will be able to predict each delivery, each strategy. So maybe the way we should build out artificial intelligence as humans is we should develop an AI-based assistant for you. For you to be able to, you know,

Don't worry, it'll happen.

Is it already happening? You never know. Okay. How often do quantum computing conversations come up? Because it's come up on the show from a geopolitical perspective, the first country that cracks it will...

Right now, actually, if you ask me what's right on our plate, it's much more semiconductors. There's this whole chip war, which is going on, you can say a tech war, which is going on. So a lot of what we are doing today is about that. And It's about how do you actually prepare a foreign era where, you know, sort of chips, you can say is the new oil. And in fact, I was a week ago in Europe and thereafter with the PM at the Quad in Japan.

And a big part of those conversations were really about how countries cooperate to ensure what we call trusted collaboration, which is countries who have that faith in each other, who have similar systems. We use the word like-minded. These are normally market economies, democracies, how people with companies will follow company ethics and rules like we know. How do these countries really come together and create a kind of a supply chain? Now, here's the bit which I think particularly your younger listeners should look at.

There was a time 10 years ago, maybe more, 7, 8 years ago, even, I used to go around telling people, saying, look, you need to open up your economy more, mobility. There's Indians who would be looking for opportunities to work because we really started, especially under Prime Minister Modi, 1 thing he keeps dinning into us, think of the world as a global workplace. This is 1 regular message we get from him in every possible way.

As a global workplace?

Global workplace. Don't think your work opportunities could be anywhere. Now it's your job in foreign policy to open up those doors. Why should a talented Indian be restricted? If you are going to work everywhere, And this does not mean rocket science.

I mean, you have people working in merchant shipping, and air crews, in blue collar jobs, in professional jobs, a chartered account, any profession you take. How do you actually give a full kind of space for Indian talent to do its best. Now coming back to this, I find because today we are moving into that tech competition or tech war era, there's a huge demand today for trusted talent, for people who play by the rules, who understand how the international business systems work, skilled people, talented people. These are the age group we are looking at kind of below 35. They are massively in demand in the world.

We just came out of Australia. We did a mobility agreement the week before I signed 1 with Austria. Austria is not a country which you would immediately think of in terms of migration. We've done it with Germany, with a number of European countries, and even with the US. Prime Minister is going to be going there next month.

A lot of it is, look, How do we create the flows? Now, these kinds of flows are going to be very different. It's like the world, you are very familiar, perhaps more than me. Your habits change. People don't have to leave India anymore to work somewhere.

The global workplace doesn't mean you shift your place. It just means your employer doesn't have to be in the same town or the same country, or the service you render doesn't have to be there. So that's the kind of world we are getting prepared for. So for me, If you look at the tech space, the global workplace, the mobility, the semiconductor, the what's called critical emerging technologies, this is really what is sucking up the oxygen.

When I was growing up in the 2000s and early 2010s, you'd often go for family functions where the families would encourage the kids to leave India. And that used to piss me off when I was a kid. Why do you want to leave your country? Let's do something for the country. Maybe that's just the cricket fan in me talking.

But it led me in the right direction. More than half of all the engineering students with me in college left the country. A lot of them wish to come back. I want you to directly address those people who are on the fence about coming back. How do we reverse this brain drain problem?

That's 1 part of the question. 2, Please address the parents who still want their kids to leave the country. And please address the kids who want to leave the country for whatever reason.

You know, I would define the issue differently from you.

Sure.

If you define it as, you know, brain drain, here's our country, there is abroad, why are you leaving? You're making it a kind of choice which you may not necessarily get the outcomes you want. I put it to you very differently. It's you know, the world's like a kind of a membrane. You can go in and out and actually that's what's going to happen.

You know I see, I actually encounter a lot of people who do a job, go abroad, do a job, come back, go again abroad. The days when you said, oh, if I leave a foreign country and come back to India, oh my God, maybe I'll never go back again. Now, that's no longer the case. What you say, yeah, sure, maybe 10, 15 years ago, that's the way the world was. I think we need to today recognize that there was a time when you said a short-term job is what is the employer's preference.

But a lot of people today would actually say, okay, let me take this, but I'm not sure I'm going to commit my entire life to this. That's also happening. So the job is changing, the people are changing, mobility is changing, global economy is changing. I think you're going to see a lot of this up and down movement. And people will also realize in many industries that actually you will get an opportunity in India, which may be better than an opportunity abroad.

Yeah. We have too many Indian Steve Wozniaks sitting in America right now who've studied, gained experiences of working in tech there. We have a lot of Steve Jobs's in India who are looking for Wozniak's to come back here and build the kind of companies that we're seeing built out in Silicon Valley. So do you have anything to say about that? Is that correct?

Thinking? You look,

I, I, I've been to Silicon Valley a few times. I see changes even in Silicon Valley. Silicon Valley today is much more interested in the valleys of India. That's also happening. So it's not like escape to Silicon Valley, and guys, now I found nirvana anymore.

Anymore. Sure. I think you're seeing a lot of people out there coming back. After all, look, even poor people out there, when they now see, I mean, you take the example of Apple, Okay. You know why it's been an important event is it's had a very strong resonance at different levels.

It's had a resonance in manufacturing. It's a kind of validation of an improved business atmosphere. It's also, by the way, a testament to the quality of people they find. Now, frankly, this wouldn't have happened 10 years ago. It's a very good example.

Look, I can always tell anybody, everything is much better 10 years. Now you'll say, okay, show me the proof. To me, that's a proof. When you actually have good global companies, and the other interesting thing is when you have Indian companies, the big ones, who are actually now saying, maybe I'm going to invest a bit more in India. I don't need to necessarily hedge by going out.

So that too is a factor. So things are happening.

Okay. Why are you doing this podcast?

You know, I'm doing this podcast 1 because I like you. But 2, I'm also doing it because I feel today you need to get people to understand what we are about, what the government's about, what the world is about. And different people absorb differently. You know, there are still people... I mean, The beauty with India is you have

20

different mediums spread over 200 years, all of them are still working. It's like having an old model that's also working And the latest gizmo is also working. So today, Man Ki Baat also works. Newspapers also work. But it's who you're talking to.

So this is a different set of people I'm talking to, different generation of people I'm talking to.

I would love to believe that my podcast audience is the 1 that wants aggressive growth. It's the Virat Kohli's of the future of this country. I hope so. So considering that these are all extremely aggressive leaders. 1 last question for you on this chat, and I hope it's the first chat of many many more chats that we have eventually.

What's your message to all the young Virat Kohli's watching this, and young Jemima Rodriks' watching this, who'll take the country further?

You know, I'm so glad you used the second name. Because I mean, I actually this year got really, I mean, it's something which I followed for some time. But I think when I watched the women's league, and I find that something which is also really, you know, when you it's like watching a new emerging kind of activity.

But you know, Vikings would always invade with the women as well.

Okay. All right.

We need to be Vikings now.

Let's go on. You notice I'm not disputing it. But the, no look, my message would be different era have self-belief. I mean, this, the kind of opportunities, the possibilities of this era have self-belief. The possibilities of this era are very different.

I think today is very important at 1 level. I spoke about thinking big and thinking practical, deep detail. Similarly, I would say we need to look at the big choices we make, the national choices we make. We need to look at the personal choices we make. They're not divorced from each other.

A good, sound national choice actually widens your personal choices. Anybody with age wants to be younger. It's a natural feeling. But truly, for someone who's today, say, 20, there's a world waiting on them to happen. And I think it's the obligation of people like us to sort of open that up as much to prepare it as much to create that kind of favorable ground.

And when I, you know, maybe the next chat, we should do this. Actually, you look at Indian cricket and Indian diplomacy. I think there's a lot that they could learn from each other that could be a subject in itself Wow, okay

So many more tangential questions just related to that thought 1 last question there's also a lot of YouTubers and I would like to say extremely early thought leaders, maybe we are because we do influence a large mass of people. What's your message for them? What role do we have for our country?

Look, I think today you honestly don't have to be experienced, which is another nice way of saying a little older, to lead. You know, leadership can come from a young person. Conversely, you know, there are people who may be older who would relate to a young person precisely because they have that kind of confidence. You know, I was very struck. I was reading something which PV Sindhu had written.

And 1 of the points she made was, how is it that Narendra Modi is today a youth icon? You know, why is he a youth icon? It's a very interesting question. It's worth thinking about. So I think that's a good note to end this session.

So I too look forward to another 1 at some stage. I've given you an idea today, but always open to your thoughts.

Dr. Jayashankar, Honor of my life. That's all I will say. Thank you for everything you're doing. The whole I is India conversation.

We all know that secretly. The youth is obsessed with geopolitics nowadays. Thank you sir. Means a lot. Looking forward to talking to you again.

If I may be able to do so. I would like to fist bump you. And say thank you sir.

Thank you.

Learning from you everyday. Thank you. That was the episode for today. Ladies and gentlemen. Big tick mark on my own career objective sheet.

This is a legend. I just spoke to a legend. Trust me, it took time to sink in. It was just a 45 minute conversation and I know that the next time I meet him it's going to be a 2 hour conversation. We're going to go much deeper.

We're going to cover many more topics. I'm going to ask him a lot more questions that Abhijit Chawda, Rajiv Malhotra, Abhijit Iyer Mitra have raised in my mind but that's for the next time. For now, I request you to share this episode as much as possible. More Cabinet minister interviews are coming up. Thanks to my go of India helping TRS crack these conversations.

Please give me your feedback, ladies and gentlemen. I wanna know what you thought of this conversation. I wanna know what we can improve and I wanna know who else you'd like to see when it comes to this political phase of TRS. I always try bringing out the human side of the person. And I hope that you enjoy these conversations as much as I enjoy creating them for you.

Lots of love to you guys, lots of gratitude. Dr. Jayashankar will be back on TRS. Lots of love and gratitude and Peri Pona to him. Thank you, sir, for everything you do for the country.

I hope to see you soon. Was an honor speaking to you. And it's always an honor creating episodes for you guys. Ranveer, we'll see you soon everybody.