- The hosts are discussing ENFPs and their careers
- They mention that people may be in different stages of their career, and that's why they're discussing this topic
- They introduce the concept of subtypes, which are different ways that a personality type can manifest based on brain wiring
- They explain that career choice is a major factor in determining which subtype a person falls into
- They list the top 10 careers for ENFPs according to the internet
- They introduce the 4 subtypes of ENFPs: dominant, creative, normalizing, and harmonizing
- They discuss the characteristics and traits of the dominant ENFP subtype, including confidence, leadership skills, and being well-rounded
- They mention that dominant ENFPs are less perceptive and less likely to break rules or challenge the status quo compared to other subtypes

- Dominant ENFPs are results-oriented problem solvers who can follow templates but also improvise to get the most out of potential.
- They are quick to try new things and take risks, especially in executive roles.
- They can come across as talkative and egotistical, but they are persistent and can bring excitement to everything.
- Dominant ENFPs tend to find success and are often rewarded in conventional ways.
- They are good at mobilizing and motivating others towards a vision.
- They should learn receptive skills to come across the way they want to.
- The dominant subtype of ENFP uses extroverted intuition and introverted feeling in an assertive and focused way.
- They are suited for careers such as marketing director, human resources manager, project manager, entrepreneur, life coach, etc.
- They may be mistaken for ENTJ or ESTJ types.
- Creative ENFPs are outgoing, positive, adaptable, and energetic.
- They can perceive and entertain at the same time and are known for brainstorming and exploring possibilities.
- They need others to help ground them and have good rapport-building skills.
- They may struggle with complex tasks but excel in social and artistic pursuits.
- They often pursue multiple careers simultaneously.

- ENFPs often pursue multiple careers and merge their different interests and talents into one
- Creative ENFPs are gifted and good at what they do, but not as self-motivated as dominant types
- They need inspiration and motivation to push themselves
- They have a rebellious streak and are quirky and interesting
- Creative ENFPs benefit from having grounding and supportive people in their lives
- The technical aspects of the creative ENFP include extroverted intuition and introverted feeling
- Dopamine is the neurotransmitter preference for creative ENFPs
- Platforms are important for creative ENFPs to express themselves and share their work
- Career choices for creative ENFPs include travel blogger, art therapist, social media influencer, actor, graphic designer, freelance writer, event coordinator, motivational speaker, and more
- Normalizing ENFPs have a different cognitive function arrangement, with extroverted intuition taking on a more holistic role and introverted feeling being more assertive
- Normalizing ENFPs are patient, reflective, technically adept, traditional, and well-mannered
- They still have a quiet charm and can be found in various career paths, including the arts but with a more technical focus
- They rely on designs, templates, and structures and value working with a team
- They enjoy traditional things but with a twist and have quirky hobbies

- ENFPs are deeply passionate and have a desire to improve and impact others
- The normalizing subtype of ENFPs can be mistaken for other personality types
- Possible career choices for normalizing ENFPs include civil engineer, architect, software developer, financial planner, etc.
- Harmonizing ENFPs have a more relaxed and chill vibe, and their brain wiring is unique to their life experiences
- Harmonizing ENFPs integrate their natural talents with their career knowledge for deep impact
- Harmonizing ENFPs thrive in one-to-one environments and need a champion to understand their value and help them serve others.

- Harmonizing ENFPs need an advocate or champion to market and showcase their unique skills and abilities.
- ENFPs who have a background in marketing may not need someone else to market them.
- Harmonizing ENFPs are specialized in their identity and beliefs and may require a specialized context to thrive.
- They may struggle to market themselves and benefit from someone else putting them forward.
- They are peaceful, have integrity, and are good with complex information.
- Possible careers for harmonizing ENFPs include clinical psychologist, college professor, diplomat, research scientist, and more.
- Harmonizing ENFPs are attracted to dominant subtypes and vice versa.
- It is difficult to cross diagonally between subtypes, but easier to go across or down and across.
- Developing different subtypes can be beneficial for personal and professional growth.
- Developing assertive or receptive relationships with cognitive function preferences can help access different subtypes.

- The video discusses personality types and cognitive function development
- It suggests that while core wiring doesn't change, the expression of personality type can change over time
- The choice of career can shape how a person expresses their personality type
- The video encourages ENFPs to share their experiences and stories on personalityhacker.com
- It mentions Dr. Dario Nardi's work on personality types and provides a link to his materials
- The video promotes subscribing to the podcast on iTunes and YouTube, leaving ratings and reviews, and purchasing the book "Personality Hacker"
- It also suggests taking the free online assessment on personalityhacker.com and mentions the ENFP owner's manual available for purchase.

- The hosts discuss ENFPs and their careers, focusing on different subtypes
- They list the top 10 careers for ENFPs according to the internet
- The dominant ENFP subtype is confident, well-rounded, and results-oriented
- Creative ENFPs are outgoing, positive, and excel in social and artistic pursuits
- Normalizing ENFPs are patient, reflective, and value working with a team
- Harmonizing ENFPs have a relaxed vibe and integrate their talents with their career knowledge
- Developing different subtypes can be beneficial for personal and professional growth
- The video encourages ENFPs to share their experiences and provides resources for further exploration

Hey, welcome back to the Personality Hacker Podcast.

So on this week's show, we're talking about ENFPs and careers.

This is my favorite personality type, Antonia.

Isabel Briggs Myers mentions that in Gifts Differing.

She said it's OK to have some type patriotism.

Well, as we talk about ENFP careers today, I mean, you might be an ENFP listening and you might be all over the place in your life, career wise, or you might have a career that's dialed in for you.

We're gonna talk about why that might be the case.

1 of those 2 extremes, or anywhere in between.

This came about during our Personality Life Path Mentorship.

The reason we're having this episode right now is we're doing a series because during our mentorship, which the personal life path, we take 8 weeks and each week we're with a group of students and we look at each of the cognitive functions, the Jungian cognitive functions, the archetypical energy it represents in the world.

And then the attunement of a person's personality type to that function.

We give exercises each week for people to go out and test.

They go and see how this function and the energy of this function shows up in their life based on their personality and the people around them.

And we walk through all 8 functions over those weeks.

We culminate in a live event at the end of it where people can hook this together, making their life plan their life path.

In the middle of that, we noticed that a lot of people are in the middle of transition taking this course, taking this mentorship with us.

Relationship transitions, people are reevaluating that or lifestyle transitions.

But man, a big 1, Antonia, especially during this season of PLP has been career transitions.

People are saying, I don't know if I'm on the right career track.

A few people are starting out fresh, you know, they're out of college, they're starting out in their careers.

So we thought this would be a good time to start talking about careers in each of the 16 Myers-Briggs personality types and give some fidelity on how maybe you, if you're an ENFP listening right now, could think about your career path, think about if maybe you're in a transition moment in your life, how can this be helpful to you?

And so we've brought a concept in here called subtypes that we're gonna address today, and we'll go into this in just a moment.

Well, we're going to go into break down the subtypes in a moment.

Maybe you could briefly talk about subtypes.

So the concept comes from our good friend Dr.

Dario Nardi, who as he was observing the same personality type using EEG machine technology that the brain wiring of each of the types followed a consistent pattern, but it wasn't always the same within a type.

And he noticed that the same style of brain wiring was showing up over and over again throughout all of the types in a consistent way.

So the pattern ended up being that there are 4 different ways that we can be wired within a single type and that created this concept of subtypes, which as you mentioned, we'll be touching on when it comes to careers.

And the reason why there's a relationship between these 2 things is after the age of 25, the number 1 factor that influences which subtype that we fall in is our career choice.

Meaning that the subtypes are more of the nurture aspect of type.

It seems that our personality type is pre-wired in us.

But these subtypes, the way that our type manifests through this brain wiring, that's more influenced by outside factors.

So, when you choose a career, you're not just choosing what you're going to be spending your time doing, you're also choosing something that's going to be a major influence on how your mind is wired.

There's a strong relationship between the 2.

Yeah, the way I like to think of it is, ENFP is the song written on the musical sheet.

These 4 subtypes are the performance of that song, right?

They're the way you express your ENFP nature.

So we'll get into the specifics specifics of that in a moment I have a top 10 list though that I gathered from the Internet's Talking about ENFP career.

This is the top 10 list again, according the Internet.

This is what the ENFP careers top 10 list is according Internet.

4, career psychologist or excuse me, counselor psychologist, 5, advertising executive, 6, human resources specialist, 7, marketing specialist, 8, event planner, 9, social worker, and 10, entrepreneur or small business owner.

Now, as an ENFP, I think I do like at least 4 of these right now as a career, overlapping.

Maybe you identify yourself on that list as an ENFP.

Yeah, it's a solid list as they usually are.

But some of those careers are going to attract certain subtypes more than others.

And there are some that are not on that list that would attract certain subtypes of ENFPs that, that these kinds of ENFPs might never run into a list like that or the thing that they're supposed to be doing in the world.

They might not ever run into it on a list of top 10 ENFP careers because it's a little bit more niched to their subtype preferences.

Yeah, so as we talk about this, let's just list out the 4 subtypes that we're going to talk about today and we'll talk about why they've clustered this way.

The 4 subtypes for the ENFP personality are the dominant ENFP, the creative ENFP, the normalizing ENFP, ooh that word normalizing is hard for me to hear.

Now, this comes from a few different places.

Dario Nardi, a friend of ours, a colleague of ours.

We've done a broad podcast about this concept in general.

Now we're applying it to each type, but we did it in a general conversation.

You wanna go back a few episodes right before this series started.

We had him here in the studio and we talked to Dr.

And he borrows some from the work of Helen Fisher with neurotransmitters, the names you may be familiar with.

If you are familiar with Socionics and Victor Glencoe, he used the names with permission from Dr.

Victor Glencoe and came up with this subtype concept.

And we'll talk about it in both accessibility for you, if you're kind of a new person starting on type, but we'll also go deeper into the neurotransmitters and a little bit into the difference between holistic and analytic functions.

Let's, anything else you wanna frame before we jump in or do you want us to jump into 1 and we'll unpack it as we go?

Yeah, you shouldn't bias the normalizing type.

Nobody's going to want to think they're a normalizing type if you've got a bias against it.

You'll see why I've got a bias against it in a minute.

Yeah, what's funny is that, And before we get into it, you identify as a creative subtype.

And creatives and normalizings are polar opposite of each other.

Just like the dominants and the harmonizing are polar opposites, although they have a tendency to, they're an opposites attract situation, whereas creative and normalizing they're, like you said, they're oil and water.

But don't necessarily turn anybody off or bias them against it because, well, first of all, normalizing ENFPs are awesome, number 1.

And number 2, it's a perfectly valid way of being, Joel.

So let's talk about dominant first, the dominant ENFP subtype.

What are we talking about when we talk about this person?

So Dominant ENFPs are kind of what you expect from the word dominant.

They're confident, entertaining, they're quick, relatively quick decision makers.

I don't know if ENFPs ever think of themselves as super quick, but they're relatively quick.

They tend to seek out, rope in, and direct others with high potential to bring about memorable, compelling results.

And of course, this is a lot of the information we're getting is sourced by Dario.

And they have a more of an in-charge way of looking at things if you're familiar with Linda Barron's interaction styles.

They tend to have good executive skills, they're talkative, they follow lines of reasoning and metaphors really well, they are moderately perceptive but they're actually a little less perceptive than their other 3 subtypes.

So they're still relatively perceptive because they're ENFPs, but this is going to be the less perceptive of the 4.

And 1 of the reasons why is because they're in charge, right?

They're a little bit more moving things forward and getting things going and making it so that they're directing traffic as opposed to leaning back and observing.

They can juggle the needs of a situation or a context with their own values, likes and dislikes.

And that keeps them moving without being personally offensive to themselves.

They're more of a jack-of-all-trades than they are specialists.

And they also are a little less havoc wreaking.

They're not the ones who try to break frames, they're trying to reframe situations.

So they're a little less poking the bear.

Yeah, so this is the ENFP then, a lot of ENFP ethos is damn the man.

This is the person that's gonna wanna set up this framework, be in charge, have the system running, everybody help support the system, get going.

They have not quite as strong, if you've heard us talk about these types or the subtypes in other of the career podcasts, sometimes I mentioned this concept of a starburst pattern, which is almost like the brainstorming phenomena that happens when you're watching a brain go into brainstorming.

That starburst pattern is not as strong for this ENFP as it is for some of the other ENFPs.

They do it just enough to solve problems, actually.

And so they're not going to be as insistent on doing creative brainstorming work as other ENFPs are, mostly because they're looking for solutions.

They're a little bit more results-oriented.

They can easily follow styles and templates, but they improvise when they do so, trying to get the most out of potential.

They're quick to try things out, especially in those executive roles.

So if they are in a management position, they're not gonna be your standard manager.

They're gonna be ones that are taking more risks basically.

And of course they trust your intuition just like all ENFPs do.

They themselves can, they're not just dominate ENFPs, they can dominate the scene, all right?

So they're like a force to be reckoned with basically and When they do that, they tend to be very talkative right their energy sort of follows them into a room And that's 1 of the reasons why they're a little less perceptive Because they they can miss details as their sort of energy is.

Yeah in front of them They can sometimes come across a little egotistical.

They can come across maybe not as smart or ethical as they think they are, in part because of that, you know, that willingness to sort of leap, that willingness to take charge.

And so sometimes it's good for a dominant ENFP to learn some of those receptive skills, right?

So that they can come across the way that they want to come across.

And they are incredibly persistent with an ability to bring excitement to everything.

And so they can get people on board, mobilized, herd cats, right?

They can get them going a direction that holds a real vision.

And They tend to be the ENFPs that are the most conventionally rewarded, meaning that they tend to find success, right?

They're that force to be reckoned with and they usually can capitalize on that.

A big sign of their character is if they're willing to share praise, right?

So if they do something big and other people have helped them and they're willing to, you know, sort of spread the credit around, it's a sign of character.

Yeah, so I definitely, when we talk about creative, we'll identify a lot with the creative, But I think there's moments, and we're going to talk about this too, just because you're an ENFP and you maybe identify with 1 of these doesn't mean you can't lean into others.

I think I lean into this 1 personally, particularly when we're running live events or hosting workshops or mentorships when I have to show up to lead as an ENFP.

It feels like this part of me gets activated.

It's very much a dominant kind of let's go this direction energy that I move into and hopefully people rest into that and I can move the ball forward for folks.

I think this is actually more natural for you.

I think this is the 1 that you probably would have landed on had your upbringing not encouraged you to go more creative.

And 1 of the reasons being and as we mentioned, Joel mentioned before that we're going to try to keep this accessible to people who are new to type, but we also will throw a little bit of tech jargon in for the the geeks right the Myers-Briggs geeks.

So what makes a dominant you know creative normalizing harmonizing subtype is how you're using your first 2 preferred functions.

So for ENFPs, that's extroverted intuition, we call it exploration as a dominant or driver, and introverted feeling or what we call authenticity as a co-pilot or auxiliary function.

And this is how you learn information using your driver or that exploration process and you make decisions with authenticity.

So each of the cognitive functions can be used in a more focused way or in a more diffused way.

So that focused way is a more assertive energy that tends to push out.

And the diffused way is a more sort of open to seeing the peripherals as opposed to being hyper focused on a single point.

And depending upon how you prefer to use these functions, whether or not you really like to use them in that more assertive energy focused way or in a more relaxed, diffused, open to the peripheral way, that's what creates your subtype.

And for dominant ENFPs, both of their functions, they prefer an analytic or that hyper-focused bent.

So the dominant type, both their functions, like their preferred functions are very assertive.

It's an energy that's focused, going out, tends to be very certain, right?

And so that's what creates that dominant energy.

—And then from a neurotransmitter standpoint, we talked about that, the preferred chemical is testosterone.

This subtype's going to have that as their neurotransmitter preference.

Let's go over to careers of the dominant.

And then we'll jump into creative after that.

So careers that might suit a dominant ENFP.

Now remember this is not a comprehensive list it's just like the kinds of things it should give you an idea of what would suit this style of ENFP.

Marketing director, human resources manager, public relationships relations manager, business consultant, project manager, sales manager, lots of managers, event planner, entrepreneur, talent agent, corporate trainer, nonprofit director, advertising executive, motivational speaker, life coach, or television or film producer.

So all of these capitalize on that confident, entertaining, quick decision-making that allow them to direct and manage other people.

Let's talk about mistypes though, because I'm expecting this type, especially because it's, it plays so nice in systems, hierarchical systems.

My guess is this might be mistyped for ENTJ possibly ESTJ like an EJ ETJ energy right

right like they might also if if a person isn't familiar with cognitive functions and how they work, they might think that they have ENFJ preferences, like you said, ENTJ or even ESTJ preferences.

Yeah, but there's that improvisational aspect.

And the list that I just mentioned also you know provides opportunities for problem-solving improvisation you know that kind of stuff and so that will always be a part of an ENFP even if they are in this more dominant sort of energetic space.

Okay, well let's talk about the creative subtype of ENFP.

I think this might be the most stereotypical version of ENFPs.

This is the 1 we usually associate with ENFP types.

These are vomiting rainbows and all the INTJs in their life?

Now, you remember the vomiting rainbows are other people's type, right?

I don't know if any ENFP themselves actually sees themselves that way.

And I sometimes wonder if it gets mixed up a little ESFP in there too.

Creative ENFPs are notably outgoing, positive, adaptable, energetic, welcoming, they're cheerful.

They tend to be able to both perceive and entertain all at once.

So unlike the dominant ENFP that tends to miss things because they're so assertive, this is a style that can both perceive and take things in while at the same time entertaining others.

And it's probably because they don't have the heavy lift of having to manage or be a leader, right?

They can just be entertaining and it's okay.

They tend to be wanderers exploring all that life has to offer and they're a little bit more of that stir the pot, right?

The dominant ENFP respects the structure a little bit more.

The creative is the 1 that pokes the beehive.

So they're definitely going to be the brainstorming kind of ENFP and not just for solutions, for anything.

Every input is like a potential secret letter that everyone must see.

That's something that Dario said about them.

They are very likely to trust their talent to adapt, noticing ideal moments to move and finding ways to use their skills.

So it's very much about optimizing their own movements, optimizing how they can bring what they have to offer to the situation.

So they play with, they do this brainstorming playing with possibilities until somebody else helps them ground it.

So unlike the dominant NFP that is a little bit more self-grounding, this is a style that really needs other people to help ground them.

So they have really good remarkable or really good remarkable rapport building skills, right?

So I would say probably remarkable is a better word than really good.

They make quick, uncanny insights into voice, tone, and body language, so they're very in touch with reading the other person's responses to them.

They have fair executive skills so not as good as the dominant ENFP.

If the situation or task is very clear and simple and direct then they're fine.

If it is complex, challenging, multi-layered like Gantt chart style right That might be a little bit more difficult and they might have trouble focusing and making decisions in a situation like that.

Overall, they're social and artistic and those have a tendency to be the most interesting things to them anything that has a social bent or an artistic bent and even when they're doing things that aren't particularly social or artistic right they're gonna bring that into every situation so they they're they're going to turn everything into that effectively, which is a part of what makes them so creative.

They usually pursue multiple careers, sometimes moving back and forth between them and sometimes doing them simultaneously.

You mentioned, I think I do 4 things on that list already and it's a merging of all of these different interests and careers into 1 thing.

And if creative ENFP can get away with that, they certainly will.

They usually look like they're really good at whatever it is that they're doing.

But they aren't as self-motivated as the dominant.

So they can motivate themselves in spurts.

They can do it a little at a time or they have to set up a situation that really they find compelling and motivating.

It's a little harder for them to push themselves as hard as the dominant.

As I mentioned before, they have a rebellious streak.

All right, so this is the 1 that tends to poke the bear.

And they're just quirky in general, right?

They're energetic and quirky as partners, as parents, as colleagues.

They're just kind of, they're interesting, goofy people.

And because of that, they really benefit from having other people in their lives that really ground them.

So this also from a technical standpoint, we'll talk about that in a second, but this subtype definitely resonates with me as a creative ENFP.

But I've noticed that I go between the dominant and the creative and it's a war with myself in that poking all the holes and destroying systems, the 1 part of me in a more dominant way wants to preserve all that and make it all work well, and the other part of me wants to rebel against it and destroy it and sabotage

It's interesting to see, I bet you listening along as an ENFP, if you identify with 1 or more than 1 of these subtypes, you're probably seeing somewhat of a war within yourself between these parts of you, which would be very indicative of an ENFP, kind of different parts of yourself bringing those into alignment.

That's the work of your lifetime, quite frankly.

It's really interesting to watch as a spectator too, Joel.

So let's talk a little bit about the technical aspects.

These functions, the driver dominant function of extroverted intuition, we've called exploration, and the co-pilot of authenticity, technically called introverted feeling, the way the decisions are made for the NFP.

How are these 2 functions attuned for the creative subtype?

So the first function, extroverted intuition or exploration, that stays analytic.

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