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Speaker 1

00:03

Hey, welcome back to the Personality Hacker Podcast. My name is Joe Mark Witt.

Speaker 2

00:07

And I'm Antonia Dodge.

Speaker 1

00:08

So on this week's show, we're talking about ENFPs and careers. I like this type. This is my favorite personality type, Antonia.

Speaker 2

00:17

That's appropriate. You're allowed to have type patriotism.

Speaker 1

00:19

Is that true?

Speaker 2

00:19

Isabel Briggs Myers mentions that in Gifts Differing. She said it's OK to have some type patriotism.

Speaker 1

00:24

Well, as we talk about ENFP careers today, I mean, you might be an ENFP listening and you might be all over the place in your life, career wise, or you might have a career that's dialed in for you. We're gonna talk about why that might be the case. 1 of those 2 extremes, or anywhere in between.

Speaker 1

00:39

This came about during our Personality Life Path Mentorship. The reason we're having this episode right now is we're doing a series because during our mentorship, which the personal life path, we take 8 weeks and each week we're with a group of students and we look at each of the cognitive functions, the Jungian cognitive functions, the archetypical energy it represents in the world. And then the attunement of a person's personality type to that function. We give exercises each week for people to go out and test.

Speaker 1

01:08

They go and see how this function and the energy of this function shows up in their life based on their personality and the people around them. And we walk through all 8 functions over those weeks. We culminate in a live event at the end of it where people can hook this together, making their life plan their life path. In the middle of that, we noticed that a lot of people are in the middle of transition taking this course, taking this mentorship with us.

Speaker 1

01:31

Relationship transitions, people are reevaluating that or lifestyle transitions. But man, a big 1, Antonia, especially during this season of PLP has been career transitions. People are saying, I don't know if I'm on the right career track. I've been doing something for a while.

Speaker 1

01:47

A few people are starting out fresh, you know, they're out of college, they're starting out in their careers. So we thought this would be a good time to start talking about careers in each of the 16 Myers-Briggs personality types and give some fidelity on how maybe you, if you're an ENFP listening right now, could think about your career path, think about if maybe you're in a transition moment in your life, how can this be helpful to you? And so we've brought a concept in here called subtypes that we're gonna address today, and we'll go into this in just a moment.

Speaker 2

02:16

Yeah, so you mean now?

Speaker 1

02:19

Well, we're going to go into break down the subtypes in a moment. Maybe you could briefly talk about subtypes.

Speaker 2

02:23

Right. So the concept comes from our good friend Dr. Dario Nardi, who as he was observing the same personality type using EEG machine technology that the brain wiring of each of the types followed a consistent pattern, but it wasn't always the same within a type. And he noticed that the same style of brain wiring was showing up over and over again throughout all of the types in a consistent way.

Speaker 2

02:52

So the pattern ended up being that there are 4 different ways that we can be wired within a single type and that created this concept of subtypes, which as you mentioned, we'll be touching on when it comes to careers. And the reason why there's a relationship between these 2 things is after the age of 25, the number 1 factor that influences which subtype that we fall in is our career choice. Meaning that the subtypes are more of the nurture aspect of type. It seems that our personality type is pre-wired in us.

Speaker 2

03:26

It feels more that that's nature. But these subtypes, the way that our type manifests through this brain wiring, that's more influenced by outside factors. So, when you choose a career, you're not just choosing what you're going to be spending your time doing, you're also choosing something that's going to be a major influence on how your mind is wired. And so it's relevant.

Speaker 2

03:48

There's a strong relationship between the 2.

Speaker 1

03:50

Yeah, the way I like to think of it is, ENFP is the song written on the musical sheet. These 4 subtypes are the performance of that song, right? They're the way you express your ENFP nature.

Speaker 1

04:03

So we'll get into the specifics specifics of that in a moment I have a top 10 list though that I gathered from the Internet's Talking about ENFP career. This is the top 10 list again, according the Internet. This isn't super deep research

Speaker 2

04:15

Actually, they're usually pretty good. If not a bit stereotypical.

Speaker 1

04:19

This is what the ENFP careers top 10 list is according Internet. Number 1, writer, journalist. Number 2, actor, actress.

Speaker 1

04:28

3, public relations specialist. 4, career psychologist or excuse me, counselor psychologist, 5, advertising executive, 6, human resources specialist, 7, marketing specialist, 8, event planner, 9, social worker, and 10, entrepreneur or small business owner. Now, as an ENFP, I think I do like at least 4 of these right now as a career, overlapping. And I've done many of them in that list.

Speaker 1

04:54

Maybe you identify yourself on that list as an ENFP. Ruthie Hemsworth-Chipmunkin

Speaker 2

04:57

Yeah, it's a solid list as they usually are. But some of those careers are going to attract certain subtypes more than others. And there are some that are not on that list that would attract certain subtypes of ENFPs that, that these kinds of ENFPs might never run into a list like that or the thing that they're supposed to be doing in the world.

Speaker 2

05:18

They might not ever run into it on a list of top 10 ENFP careers because it's a little bit more niched to their subtype preferences.

Speaker 1

05:27

Yeah, so as we talk about this, let's just list out the 4 subtypes that we're going to talk about today and we'll talk about why they've clustered this way. The 4 subtypes for the ENFP personality are the dominant ENFP, the creative ENFP, the normalizing ENFP, ooh that word normalizing is hard for me to hear. And the harmonizing ENFP.

Speaker 1

05:50

Now, this comes from a few different places. This is based mostly on the work of Dr. Dario Nardi, a friend of ours, a colleague of ours. He's been on the show.

Speaker 1

05:58

We've done a broad podcast about this concept in general. Now we're applying it to each type, but we did it in a general conversation. You wanna go back a few episodes right before this series started. We had him here in the studio and we talked to Dr.

Speaker 1

06:09

Nardi about his concept. And he borrows some from the work of Helen Fisher with neurotransmitters, the names you may be familiar with. If you are familiar with Socionics and Victor Glencoe, he used the names with permission from Dr. Victor Glencoe and came up with this subtype concept.

Speaker 1

06:26

And we'll talk about it in both accessibility for you, if you're kind of a new person starting on type, but we'll also go deeper into the neurotransmitters and a little bit into the difference between holistic and analytic functions. We'll talk about that in a moment. Let's, anything else you wanna frame before we jump in or do you want us to jump into 1 and we'll unpack it as we go?

Speaker 2

06:44

Well, I do wanna say 1 thing.

Speaker 1

06:46

Let's do it.

Speaker 2

06:46

Yeah, you shouldn't bias the normalizing type. Nobody's going to want to think they're a normalizing type if you've got a bias against it.

Speaker 1

06:53

All right, I'll try my best.

Speaker 2

06:54

Well, and what's funny.

Speaker 1

06:55

You'll see why I've got a bias against it in a minute.

Speaker 2

06:58

Yeah, what's funny is that, And before we get into it, you identify as a creative subtype. Yeah. And creatives and normalizings are polar opposite of each other.

Speaker 1

07:09

Oil and water.

Speaker 2

07:10

Yeah, exactly. Just like the dominants and the harmonizing are polar opposites, although they have a tendency to, they're an opposites attract situation, whereas creative and normalizing they're, like you said, they're oil and water. But don't necessarily turn anybody off or bias them against it because, well, first of all, normalizing ENFPs are awesome, number 1.

Speaker 2

07:31

And number 2, it's a perfectly valid way of being, Joel. It's totally valid.

Speaker 1

07:36

You make good points.

Speaker 2

07:37

All right.

Speaker 1

07:37

All right, let's jump in. So let's talk about dominant first, the dominant ENFP subtype. What are we talking about when we talk about this person?

Speaker 2

07:44

So Dominant ENFPs are kind of what you expect from the word dominant. They're confident, entertaining, they're quick, relatively quick decision makers. I don't know if ENFPs ever think of themselves as super quick, but they're relatively quick.

Speaker 2

07:58

They're good managers and leaders. They tend to seek out, rope in, and direct others with high potential to bring about memorable, compelling results. And of course, this is a lot of the information we're getting is sourced by Dario. And they have a more of an in-charge way of looking at things if you're familiar with Linda Barron's interaction styles.

Speaker 2

08:19

They tend to have good executive skills, they're talkative, they follow lines of reasoning and metaphors really well, they are moderately perceptive but they're actually a little less perceptive than their other 3 subtypes. So they're still relatively perceptive because they're ENFPs, but this is going to be the less perceptive of the 4. And 1 of the reasons why is because they're in charge, right? They're a little bit more moving things forward and getting things going and making it so that they're directing traffic as opposed to leaning back and observing.

Speaker 2

08:49

They can juggle the needs of a situation or a context with their own values, likes and dislikes. And that keeps them moving without being personally offensive to themselves. And they tend to be well-rounded. They're more of a jack-of-all-trades than they are specialists.

Speaker 2

09:06

And they also are a little less havoc wreaking. They're not the ones who try to break frames, they're trying to reframe situations. So they're a little less poking the bear.

Speaker 1

09:17

Yeah, so this is the ENFP then, a lot of ENFP ethos is damn the man. This is the most man of the ENFPs. Yeah, this

Speaker 2

09:27

is the man.

Speaker 1

09:28

This is the person that's gonna wanna set up this framework, be in charge, have the system running, everybody help support the system, get going.

Speaker 2

09:35

Yeah, exactly. They have not quite as strong, if you've heard us talk about these types or the subtypes in other of the career podcasts, sometimes I mentioned this concept of a starburst pattern, which is almost like the brainstorming phenomena that happens when you're watching a brain go into brainstorming. That starburst pattern is not as strong for this ENFP as it is for some of the other ENFPs.

Speaker 2

10:02

They do it just enough to solve problems, actually. And so they're not going to be as insistent on doing creative brainstorming work as other ENFPs are, mostly because they're looking for solutions. They're a little bit more results-oriented. They can easily follow styles and templates, but they improvise when they do so, trying to get the most out of potential.

Speaker 2

10:25

They're quick to try things out, especially in those executive roles. So if they are in a management position, they're not gonna be your standard manager. They're gonna be ones that are taking more risks basically. And of course they trust your intuition just like all ENFPs do.

Speaker 2

10:40

They themselves can, they're not just dominate ENFPs, they can dominate the scene, all right? So they're like a force to be reckoned with basically and When they do that, they tend to be very talkative right their energy sort of follows them into a room And that's 1 of the reasons why they're a little less perceptive Because they they can miss details as their sort of energy is. Yeah in front of them They can sometimes come across a little egotistical. They can come across maybe not as smart or ethical as they think they are, in part because of that, you know, that willingness to sort of leap, that willingness to take charge.

Speaker 2

11:18

And so sometimes it's good for a dominant ENFP to learn some of those receptive skills, right? So that they can come across the way that they want to come across. And they are incredibly persistent with an ability to bring excitement to everything. And so they can get people on board, mobilized, herd cats, right?

Speaker 2

11:37

They can get them going a direction that holds a real vision. And so they're exciting people. And They tend to be the ENFPs that are the most conventionally rewarded, meaning that they tend to find success, right? They're that force to be reckoned with and they usually can capitalize on that.

Speaker 2

11:56

A big sign of their character is if they're willing to share praise, right? So if they do something big and other people have helped them and they're willing to, you know, sort of spread the credit around, it's a sign of character.

Speaker 1

12:10

Yeah, so I definitely, when we talk about creative, we'll identify a lot with the creative, But I think there's moments, and we're going to talk about this too, just because you're an ENFP and you maybe identify with 1 of these doesn't mean you can't lean into others. I think I lean into this 1 personally, particularly when we're running live events or hosting workshops or mentorships when I have to show up to lead as an ENFP. It feels like this part of me gets activated.

Speaker 1

12:34

It's very much a dominant kind of let's go this direction energy that I move into and hopefully people rest into that and I can move the ball forward for folks.

Speaker 2

12:44

I think this is actually more natural for you. I think this is the 1 that you probably would have landed on had your upbringing not encouraged you to go more creative. And 1 of the reasons being and as we mentioned, Joel mentioned before that we're going to try to keep this accessible to people who are new to type, but we also will throw a little bit of tech jargon in for the the geeks right the Myers-Briggs geeks.

Speaker 2

13:07

So what makes a dominant you know creative normalizing harmonizing subtype is how you're using your first 2 preferred functions. So for ENFPs, that's extroverted intuition, we call it exploration as a dominant or driver, and introverted feeling or what we call authenticity as a co-pilot or auxiliary function. **Matt Stauffer**

Speaker 1

13:30

And this is how you learn information using your driver or that exploration process and you make decisions with authenticity. **SARAH HANSEN**

Speaker 2

13:37

Right, exactly. So each of the cognitive functions can be used in a more focused way or in a more diffused way. So that focused way is a more assertive energy that tends to push out.

Speaker 2

13:51

And the diffused way is a more sort of open to seeing the peripherals as opposed to being hyper focused on a single point. And depending upon how you prefer to use these functions, whether or not you really like to use them in that more assertive energy focused way or in a more relaxed, diffused, open to the peripheral way, that's what creates your subtype. And for dominant ENFPs, both of their functions, they prefer an analytic or that hyper-focused bent. So the dominant type, both their functions, like their preferred functions are very assertive.

Speaker 2

14:30

It's an energy that's focused, going out, tends to be very certain, right? And so that's what creates that dominant energy.

Speaker 1

14:39

—And then from a neurotransmitter standpoint, we talked about that, the preferred chemical is testosterone. This subtype's going to have that as their neurotransmitter preference.

Speaker 2

14:50

Yep, exactly.

Speaker 1

14:51

Okay.

Speaker 2

14:51

All right. So you want me get into the careers?

Speaker 1

14:54

Let's go over to careers of the dominant. Yes. And then we'll jump into creative after that.

Speaker 2

14:58

So careers that might suit a dominant ENFP. Now remember this is not a comprehensive list it's just like the kinds of things it should give you an idea of what would suit this style of ENFP. Marketing director, human resources manager, public relationships relations manager, business consultant, project manager, sales manager, lots of managers, event planner, entrepreneur, talent agent, corporate trainer, nonprofit director, advertising executive, motivational speaker, life coach, or television or film producer.

Speaker 2

15:30

So all of these capitalize on that confident, entertaining, quick decision-making that allow them to direct and manage other people. So it's that more assertive energy.

Speaker 1

15:41

Let's talk about mistypes though, because I'm expecting this type, especially because it's, it plays so nice in systems, hierarchical systems. My guess is this might be mistyped for ENTJ possibly ESTJ like an EJ ETJ energy right

Speaker 2

15:57

mm-hmm yeah or just a judger energy

Speaker 1

15:59

yeah

Speaker 2

15:59

right like they might also if if a person isn't familiar with cognitive functions and how they work, they might think that they have ENFJ preferences, like you said, ENTJ or even ESTJ preferences. Yeah, but there's that improvisational aspect. And the list that I just mentioned also you know provides opportunities for problem-solving improvisation you know that kind of stuff and so that will always be a part of an ENFP even if they are in this more dominant sort of energetic space.

Speaker 1

16:30

Of course. Okay, well let's talk about the creative subtype of ENFP. So these are creative ENFPs.

Speaker 2

16:38

I think this might be the most stereotypical version of ENFPs. This is the 1 we usually associate with ENFP types.

Speaker 1

16:45

These are vomiting rainbows and all the INTJs in their life?

Speaker 2

16:48

I mean, maybe. Now, you remember the vomiting rainbows are other people's type, right? Sort of projection onto ENFPs.

Speaker 2

16:56

I don't know if any ENFP themselves actually sees themselves that way. And I sometimes wonder if it gets mixed up a little ESFP in there too. Creative ENFPs are notably outgoing, positive, adaptable, energetic, welcoming, they're cheerful. They tend to be able to both perceive and entertain all at once.

Speaker 2

17:17

So unlike the dominant ENFP that tends to miss things because they're so assertive, this is a style that can both perceive and take things in while at the same time entertaining others. And it's probably because they don't have the heavy lift of having to manage or be a leader, right? They can just be entertaining and it's okay.

Speaker 1

17:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2

17:35

They tend to be wanderers exploring all that life has to offer and they're a little bit more of that stir the pot, right? The dominant ENFP respects the structure a little bit more. The creative is the 1 that pokes the beehive.

Speaker 2

17:51

They have a strong starburst pattern. So they're definitely going to be the brainstorming kind of ENFP and not just for solutions, for anything. Every input is like a potential secret letter that everyone must see. That's something that Dario said about them.

Speaker 2

18:05

And I thought that was fantastic. Their brands are very active. They are very likely to trust their talent to adapt, noticing ideal moments to move and finding ways to use their skills. So it's very much about optimizing their own movements, optimizing how they can bring what they have to offer to the situation.

Speaker 2

18:25

And they can handle a lot of complexity. So they play with, they do this brainstorming playing with possibilities until somebody else helps them ground it. So unlike the dominant NFP that is a little bit more self-grounding, this is a style that really needs other people to help ground them. So they have really good remarkable or really good remarkable rapport building skills, right?

Speaker 2

18:49

So I would say probably remarkable is a better word than really good. They're very good at rapport-building. They make quick, uncanny insights into voice, tone, and body language, so they're very in touch with reading the other person's responses to them. They have fair executive skills so not as good as the dominant ENFP.

Speaker 2

19:10

If the situation or task is very clear and simple and direct then they're fine. If it is complex, challenging, multi-layered like Gantt chart style right That might be a little bit more difficult and they might have trouble focusing and making decisions in a situation like that. Overall, they're social and artistic and those have a tendency to be the most interesting things to them anything that has a social bent or an artistic bent and even when they're doing things that aren't particularly social or artistic right they're gonna bring that into every situation so they they're they're going to turn everything into that effectively, which is a part of what makes them so creative. They usually pursue multiple careers, sometimes moving back and forth between them and sometimes doing them simultaneously.

Speaker 2

20:02

You mentioned, I think I do 4 things on that list already and it's a merging of all of these different interests and careers into 1 thing. And if creative ENFP can get away with that, they certainly will. And they usually look pretty gifted. They usually look like they're really good at whatever it is that they're doing.

Speaker 2

20:19

But they aren't as self-motivated as the dominant. So they can motivate themselves in spurts. They can do it a little at a time or they have to set up a situation that really they find compelling and motivating. It's a little harder for them to push themselves as hard as the dominant.

Speaker 1

20:36

They need inspiration to be motivated.

Speaker 2

20:38

Yep, exactly. As I mentioned before, they have a rebellious streak. All right, so this is the 1 that tends to poke the bear.

Speaker 2

20:45

And they're just quirky in general, right? They're energetic and quirky as partners, as parents, as colleagues. They're just kind of, they're interesting, goofy people. And because of that, they really benefit from having other people in their lives that really ground them.

Speaker 1

21:02

Okay. So this also from a technical standpoint, we'll talk about that in a second, but this subtype definitely resonates with me as a creative ENFP. But I've noticed that I go between the dominant and the creative and it's a war with myself in that poking all the holes and destroying systems, the 1 part of me in a more dominant way wants to preserve all that and make it all work well, and the other part of me wants to rebel against it and destroy it and sabotage

Speaker 2

21:28

it.

Speaker 1

21:28

It's interesting to see, I bet you listening along as an ENFP, if you identify with 1 or more than 1 of these subtypes, you're probably seeing somewhat of a war within yourself between these parts of you, which would be very indicative of an ENFP, kind of different parts of yourself bringing those into alignment. That's the work of your lifetime, quite frankly.

Speaker 2

21:46

It's really interesting to watch as a spectator too, Joel. I'm sure.

Speaker 1

21:52

So let's talk a little bit about the technical aspects. These functions, the driver dominant function of extroverted intuition, we've called exploration, and the co-pilot of authenticity, technically called introverted feeling, the way the decisions are made for the NFP. How are these 2 functions attuned for the creative subtype?

Speaker 2

22:09

So the first function, extroverted intuition or exploration, that stays analytic. So that still has that focused orientation. It still has that more assertive drive.

Speaker 2

22:20

That's where you get the brainstorming piece. But as opposed to being paired with another, you know, more assertive energy, introverted feeling or authenticity is the 1 that's a little bit more relaxed. It's a little more open, holistic. It's not as certain.

Speaker 2

22:34

It doesn't have as much of a drive to make things happen. It's a little bit more flexible.

Speaker 1

22:38

Yeah. Yeah. So 1 of the things as we talk about the careers here in a moment, oh, by the way, the neurotransmitter preference is dopamine. That's what the ENFP that's creative is seeking out, is that chemical.

Speaker 1

22:51

Platforms are very important for this subtype. Platform thinking. When I say platform thinking, what I mean is something like YouTube is a platform. If you're a creative person and you create videos or music and you're on SoundCloud or YouTube, these are platforms that can help you get your work out there.

Speaker 1

23:06

Same thing with Etsy, maybe Uber, it could be considered a platform for being a driver. You know, these are facilitating creative subtypes, like the Creative ENFP, to do work, and that they don't have to build all the structure, all the support. They can plug themselves into some platform that can put them forward and allow them to express themselves as a creative subtype. So let's talk a little bit about some of the career choices for this subtype.

Speaker 2

23:28

All right. I think some of these really capitalize on what you're talking about is platforms, basically anything that grounds you, right? Something that does some of the heavy lifting

Speaker 1

23:36

on that. Well, supports you, really.

Speaker 2

23:37

Right, yeah, not just grounds, but supports. So the list of, again, this is not comprehensive, but this should give you an idea of the kinds of things that really appeal to the creative types. We've got travel blogger, art therapist, social media influencer, actor, graphic designer, freelance writer, event coordinator, motivational speaker, made it again, art director, photographer, musician, community outreach coordinator, personal trainer, interior design, and tour guide.

Speaker 2

24:05

So this is a list of careers that sort of emphasize that more outgoing, positive, adaptable component of this style of ENFP. It also allows them to stay energetic. All of these would require high energy. And it also allows them to challenge norms, right?

Speaker 2

24:25

And get outside of what's expected. So These are all careers that allow a person to constantly evolve, constantly change and output and do things a little bit differently. And they're also quite social. So that piece of not only the art, but the social aspect gets woven into all of these.

Speaker 1

24:43

Yeah, and that platform can take care of all the nitty gritty detail stuff. All the financials and all the scheduling and all that thing. So you as a creative ENFP can focus on what you do well, which is bring your creativity and art and performance and expression to the world.

Speaker 2

25:00

And none of them will really, if you maintain that rebellious streak, it won't be too damaging to your career path.

Speaker 1

25:09

Let's talk about the normalizing ENFP. What does this subtype look like?

Speaker 2

25:14

So this is the exact opposite of the creative. And by that I mean if you look at those 2 cognitive functions, extroverted intuition, introverted feeling, extroverted intuition or exploration now takes on the more holistic role. This is the more diffused, a little bit more receptive part And then the judging function of introverted feeling or authenticity, the co-pilot or auxiliary, that is the more assertive sort of focused energy.

Speaker 2

25:40

So it is the exact opposite of the creative type. And so you're going to see a very different style of ENFP. These are, this ENFP is a little bit more wired like the norm, right? And so they're going to reflect that in their behavior.

Speaker 2

25:56

They're more patient. Now, of course, this is a, you just have to remember that this is in contrast or in comparison to other styles of ENFP. So add the modifier.

Speaker 1

26:05

We're still talking about ENFP at the end of the day.

Speaker 2

26:07

Exactly. But these are the ones that come across as patient, reflective, technically adept, traditional and well-mannered. But they still are charming, right? They're still ENFPs, so they have a more quiet charm, right?

Speaker 2

26:21

And in Linda Barron's vernacular, this would be a little bit more of a chart the course style. They're more technical, they're grounded, right? They don't need somebody to ground them, They do it themselves. They're more linear thinkers than other ENFPs.

Speaker 2

26:35

They usually are strongly visual and they're factual. So that vomiting rainbow style, an ENFP that is like that is not going to resonate with those kinds of stereotypes at all. They are from all over the spectrum, basically any career path that makes sense to the more normalizing way of going about things. So they could be engineers or lawyers or sort of computer programmers or soldiers, Anything that is a good working member of society.

Speaker 2

27:05

But they're still ENFP, so they tend to find themselves in the arts still, right? They still have that interest. And so if they do go that direction, it's going to be more technical. So as opposed to the creative subtype that if they find themselves in a technical aspect, they're going to bring the art.

Speaker 2

27:23

If they're a normalizing and they find themselves in art, they're going to bring a technical aspect, which I thought was really interesting. It's like they that's where they meet in the middle. They rely on certain brain regions to engage in hypothesizing and imagining but they don't quite have that same starburst that the creative type does. And so they're still going to be interested in brainstorming but they won't be as, it won't be as second nature to them as the creative.

Speaker 2

27:51

They're going to be quieter, more structured, they'll have a more critical eye than other ENFPs so they might be a little bit more calibrative than other styles. They have a tendency to lean really hard on designs, templates, structures, and that sort of thing. And they might even feel nervous if they don't have 1, though leaning on them is a learned skill, which I thought was interesting. It's not natural for this ENFP to need a template, but once they discover templates, now they feel uncomfortable without them.

Speaker 2

28:27

So this is a very unique sort of phenomena of the normalizing ENFP. They tend to keep a lid on their enthusiasm more than other ENFPs so they're not as bombastic. They are less random but they still have that subtle playfulness. They value working with a team.

Speaker 2

28:48

So the creative subtype of ENFPs, I think, is a little bit more solo, right? They kind of want to work on their own, and then the dominant just wants to be in charge. This normalizing understands the value of teamwork. And so they're going to be less resistant to working with groups of people and in cooperation.

Speaker 2

29:06

And they just really like, you know, traditional things, right? They're a little bit more traditionalist. They enjoy families and family traditions and activities that are more mainstream, but it always comes with a twist. In the INFJ careers, we talked about the normalizing INFJ, we'll almost always have just a piece of information to let you know that they're not exactly what you expect them to be.

Speaker 2

29:31

I talked about the accountant with all those different styles of eyeglass frames. This ENFP is gonna have a similar feel, right? They're going to be more normalizing but there's something about them that is just a little different from everybody else. So it's the same but with a twist.

Speaker 1

29:46

I wrote down quirky hobbies next to this type.

Speaker 2

29:50

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I think another big part of it isn't just interesting hobbies on the side, but remembering that ENFPs are deeply passionate, particularly about crusades, and they're not going to lose that necessarily. They're going to keep that idea of wanting to improve things, wanting to make things better, and being very passionate about the things that mean something to them.

Speaker 2

30:14

So They're still going to have a desire to impact others, impact culture. They'll have that deep passion inside of them that wants to move forward and improve and change things up just a little bit. And I thought Dario was, I thought it was really astute when he said the biggest Contribution can be making something a new standard of tradition that the average person can relate to

Speaker 1

30:35

yeah

Speaker 2

30:36

So in some ways it's almost like this type is a bridge, right? It's a bridge between the usual and the very very different This style of ENFP sort of meets in the middle and is almost acts like a translator for those 2 worlds.

Speaker 1

30:52

So I could imagine this style of ENFP is the most likely to mistype as maybe a judger, a censor, somebody that is not very ENFP at all. If they tend to be wired this way, it might, or just expressing this way, it might give a false read on the style of, you know, the style of ENFP may not read ENFP in like a typing session or a profiling session, something like that.

Speaker 2

31:14

Yeah, I actually think this is probably a very common mistype.

Speaker 1

31:18

I

Speaker 2

31:18

could see the style of ENFP mistyping as an introvert, as a censor, as a thinker, or as a judger. I mean, it's all over the map because we just don't think of this style of ENFP and yet there they are.

Speaker 1

31:30

Let's talk about some of the careers that would lend themselves to this style. Now, like you said, the dominant ENFP is most likely gonna wanna either start something or be at the top of something. They're very comfortable with hierarchy, especially being at the top of the hierarchy and preserving the system, leading the system, quite frankly.

Speaker 1

31:48

The creative is much more likely to need a platform, kind of ancillary to the structures. They want to live in solo land, be creative, be expressive. They need a platform or somebody to support them. This normalizing ENFP, and by the way, the neurotransmitter is serotonin is the preferred neurotransmitter chemical this ENFP is more Okay with hierarchy, but not necessarily needing to be in charge probably very comfortable plugging themselves into organization a system a nonprofit a business a corporation and working a regular job or working a career path in a normal way, working up the career ladder.

Speaker 1

32:25

So with that in mind, let's talk about some of the possible career choices this style might want.

Speaker 2

32:30

Okay, so these careers, again, they're not comprehensive, but they might give you a little bit of an idea of how a normalizing ENFP or the directions they go. And this is gonna reflect the more patient style, the more technically adept element. It will allow them to capitalize on that little more of the organizational skill and team player mindset.

Speaker 2

32:53

But I think it's also these are places where ENFPs can have that impact of changing the standard. So I think that's why these ones made the list. They are civil engineer, architect, software developer, financial planner, environmental scientist, technical writer, urban planner, data analyst, industrial designer, nutritionist, operations manager, web developer, mechanical engineer, information systems manager, and speech language pathologist. Right, which is very interesting because I actually know an ENFP who's a speech language pathologist.

Speaker 1

33:28

There you go.

Speaker 2

33:28

Yeah. So, I think again, these are not the kinds of careers that you normally would throw the direction of ENFP. It's not like the actor or the entrepreneur, but you could really see an ENFP heading these directions and making a big impact, Right? Being able to make changes from within, not just, you know, necessarily altering things from without.

Speaker 1

33:52

It's important though that they do have some kind of a hobby, something that lets them have that intuitive creative outlet. If you're an ENFP that you are identifying with this normalizing subtype, you also might need some creative, intuitively focused people to have conversation with, brainstorming sessions with. People that you can, outside of work or outside of the career you're in, have your back around unlocking some of that intuition, some of those quirky parts of you some of the interesting elements of the creativity you bring It's very needed outside of work.

Speaker 1

34:23

I think

Speaker 2

34:23

well and what's interesting is that for other types the normalizing man Those hobbies were so important. I think actually interestingly enough for the normalizing ENFP its impact I think even more so I agree they need to have people they can have those brainstorming conversations with. But I think what really lights them up is knowing that they are able to have that impact, that they're actually changing things for the better, that they're altering standards.

Speaker 2

34:47

And so if they're unable to do that in the career, then this ENFP might need to find nonprofit or volunteer, you know, opportunities to have that impact.

Speaker 1

34:57

Let's talk about the harmonizing ENFP subtype. So this ENFP is the fourth 1, and it's got a really interesting attunement of their cognitive functions. So we talk about that driver-dominant of extroverted intuition, exploration, how the ENFP learns information, takes and perceives the world, and making decisions with the co-pilot or auxiliary function of introverted feeling or authenticity, making decisions that resonate in the core values.

Speaker 1

35:25

Where are these 2 functions attuned from like a type geek or a deeper understanding?

Speaker 2

35:30

So this is the opposite subtype from the dominant. And of course the dominant both had that more focused assertive analytic bent. So the harmonizing NFP is the opposite.

Speaker 2

35:41

Both of those functions are more open, receptive, a little bit more diffused, taking in the peripheral, not as high energy, but a little bit more relaxed. And so what makes a harmonizing ENFP is both the preferred functions are holistic functions. And so these ENFPs have a lot of subtle tones, right? They're not as assertive, they're not as aggressive, they're not as in your face, they're a little bit more sort of chill vibe ENFPs.

Speaker 2

36:11

And they tend to be older and wiser, even if not in age, in affectation. The whole feel about them is just gonna have some, kind of almost I've seen everything, sort of that vibe. But Dari mentions they offer a dedicated heart, a sophisticated thinking, and a real warmth and caring about them. Right?

Speaker 2

36:38

There's like a warmth. They're more flowing, relaxed, and in Linda Barron's vernacular, a behind-the-scenes style of ENFP. They are very complicated in their brain wiring though. And that's why I say they have almost a I've seen everything feel.

Speaker 2

36:53

You can tell that their brain wiring follows a lot of disparate complex experiences throughout life. And there's not really 1 style of brain wiring that suits them, unlike the other 3 subtypes that are very clear in their brain wiring. The dominant has a very strong prefrontal cortex executive wiring, the creative is very much that starburst pattern. The normalizing has this almost like, you know, sort of organized little streets or rows, interestingly enough, but this is all over the place.

Speaker 2

37:26

They can have diamond-shaped patterns, they can have strong starbursts, they can have a combination of these, they can have a mild starburst and strong diamonds, like it's just kind, it's really unique to their life experiences, right? And so because of that, they have a very quirky way of thinking, even more so than other ENFPs. Very iconoclastic, very specific to them, really peculiar to them, a particular way or style of thinking. And so they tend to, and I think this really shows up in career, their style of thinking gets really sort of fused with whatever it is that they're doing to contribute.

Speaker 2

38:10

So for example, if they're a therapist, they integrate their natural ENFP talents with all of their career knowledge to work that in a very deep way. So they're bringing in lots of different frames of reference, lots of different styles of thinking, lots of different models to apply to the thing that they're doing for impact. And that's really what lights a harmonizing ENFP up is that they're, they have something to apply themselves to, something to take all of this learned information and focus it in. A single point that brings all the talents that they've accumulated over many decades to be able to apply everything together in 1 point.

Speaker 2

38:50

And that's more of a one-to-one, of course. Harmonizing subtypes are almost always better in a one-to-one environment or setting where they're building relationship and having an impact on that level. So, Oh, go ahead. **Matt Stauffer**

Speaker 1

39:01

No, I was going to say, so the neurotransmitter associated with this is estrogen on the chemical side. As you mentioned that one-to-one situation, that's also, I think, a strategy for success in where the creative subtype for ENFP might be hunting for a platform like a YouTube channel to create and utilize as a support for their creativity. I think for the harmonizing ENFP, finding a champion, you know, we talk about ENFPs, there's kind of this nickname of champion for ENFPs, But I think an ENFP that's at the harmonizing subtype level, they need a champion.