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Speaker 1

00:00

The following are assembly instructions for a day trip at IKEA. Take 8 plump meatballs at least, and 1 bed that doubles as a bouncy castle. Add 3 45-minute room planning sessions, as many activities for kids as possible, and add 1 extra slice of dime cake. Combine all together and you have the perfect day out at IKEA.

Speaker 1

00:27

IKEA. The wonderful everyday.

Speaker 2

00:33

For the rest of this day, I'm just going to be playing out the gang rats of New York. Every rap mafia movie, you know, rap Corleone.

Speaker 3

00:44

You Come to me on the day of

Speaker 2

00:46

my daughter's wedding. And you ask me for this cheese. Oh, God.

Speaker 2

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Oh, God. Oh, God. Oh, God. Stop.

Speaker 4

00:57

Welcome to StarTalk, your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide. StarTalk begins right now. This is StarTalk, a Things You Thought You Knew edition, which abbreviated is T-Y-T-T-Y-K.

Speaker 4

01:21

T-Y-T-Y-K, Things You Thought You Knew. There you go. All right, Chuck, good to have you here. There's just stuff you might've known about,

Speaker 2

01:29

but maybe didn't know everything you could've known.

Speaker 4

01:31

And it's something that I know something that maybe you didn't know, and I'm just putting it out there, that's all. And it's some of our most popular segments have come from things you thought you knew.

Speaker 2

01:43

Most people don't know anything. No, Chuck, stop. That's why.

Speaker 2

01:49

Chuck. Don't know, you don't know nothing.

Speaker 4

01:52

No, the thing is, you don't know what you don't know. That's the

Speaker 2

01:55

real thing. Yeah, there

Speaker 4

01:56

you go. That's the struggle. So, all right, Here we go.

Speaker 4

02:00

I was thinking the other day about compasses.

Speaker 2

02:03

Oh, it came with its own little like, you know, little sharp stabby thing on the end of it. It was a great way. You poke somebody in the butt with it.

Speaker 2

02:10

It's awesome. Okay. Okay. Yeah, man, it's awesome.

Speaker 4

02:19

So you were carrying instruments of math destruction.

Speaker 2

02:24

Yes. No, no, that's not that compass I'm talking about. I'm talking about

Speaker 4

02:31

the kind that where you find your way.

Speaker 2

02:34

Okay? Okay.

Speaker 4

02:35

All right, that's all I'm talking about, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2

02:36

That's why I did not become an astronaut. And you flunked geometry. Yes, he is a hazard to the math department.

Speaker 2

02:50

He's a math hazard. Okay. Go ahead. All right.

Speaker 4

02:55

So, you may know that Einstein, as a child, was fascinated that this compass and this little needle would always find its way north. There was some magic force with no strings attached that moved the compass, Okay, the compass needle. And he was intrigued by this.

Speaker 2

03:19

Yes, was that during his time at Hogwarts?

Speaker 4

03:23

Yes, actually. So we've known for a while that Earth has a magnetic field, Okay? And there was lodestone, which is a naturally occurring variant of iron that is basically a magnet.

Speaker 4

03:39

And the people just experimenting with it, playing with it, would notice that it aligns without anybody touching it. Okay. We would ultimately perfect this into a compass and the compass points north so there's a little needle with an N on it and that little needle points north every time So a couple of facts just to consider Okay in magnetism opposites attract and in love Okay, well opposites attract and the North Pole of the needle of my compass points North, that means Earth's South Magnetic Pole is North.

Speaker 2

04:30

Hang on for a second here. Yeah. Because that 1 might've hurt a little bit.

Speaker 2

04:37

Don't. What are you doing? This hurts the brain. It's the North Pole.

Speaker 4

04:43

It hurt just a little bit. So you're saying the needle itself. Is magnetized north and it points north.

Speaker 4

04:51

Which means it's finding the south pole of earth. It points north. If you take it up to any magnet, there's a North and a South Pole, bring the compass near it, that North Pole is gonna point to the, of the needle is gonna point to the South Pole of the magnet.

Speaker 2

05:08

It's gonna point to the South.

Speaker 4

05:10

Yes, because opposites attract. Right, absolutely, okay,

Speaker 2

05:13

I gotcha. That's gonna point to the, because that's what attracts it. Okay, So

Speaker 4

05:19

therefore, Earth's south magnetic pole is in the north.

Speaker 2

05:21

I gotcha. And that still hurts. It still hurts.

Speaker 2

05:26

It still hurts. It still hurts. It still hurts.

Speaker 4

05:29

Okay, well let's keep going. All right. The South Magnetic Pole, which is in the North.

Speaker 4

05:37

Which is in the North. Does not align with Earth's Geographic Pole, where Santa Claus is. It does not align. They're not in the same place.

Speaker 4

05:49

Okay?

Speaker 2

05:50

All right.

Speaker 4

05:50

Okay. When I was growing up, the North Magnetic Pole, which contains the South Pole, right? So let's just still call it the North because it's easier. That pole was in Northern Canada.

Speaker 4

06:08

So if you were South of that pole, your compass would basically point North. But if you were North of that pole, between our magnetic pole and the geographic pole, your compass would point due south, geographically south. And if you were anywhere to the side, it would bend it inward. So good Boy Scout books would give the correction for where actual, because you don't at the end give a shit where the magnetic pole is, you care where Santa Claus is.

Speaker 4

06:40

The geography is what you care about, not the magnetism. There's nothing for you at the North Magnetic Pole, okay?

Speaker 2

06:49

So, they would give- Plus, we don't want Santa to be Canadian. That's a disaster, you know? So you want a truck, eh?

Speaker 2

06:59

Is that what you want, a truck, eh?

Speaker 4

07:05

Sorry. So the only Canadian joke I know is when they're learning how to spell Canada and they said, well, how are you going to spell it? And well, we just, we think C-N-D, That spells it. It's C-A and N-A, D-A.

Speaker 2

07:23

That's how the A's got into the spelling.

Speaker 4

07:29

I never heard that.

Speaker 2

07:30

I hadn't

Speaker 4

07:31

heard that. That's how they end up spelling it.

Speaker 2

07:33

Not bad, not bad, not bad.

Speaker 4

07:34

All right, so they would give corrections. So if you knew what latitude you were on Earth, no, what longitude you were, and your latitude, you'd know how to correct the angle for it. All right.

Speaker 4

07:47

So here's my point. The North Magnetic Pole is on a mission. It is moving. In fact, it moves a little less than a mile per week.

Speaker 4

08:02

Wow, that's a lot. Yes, yes. 30 to 50 miles per year due north since my childhood, okay? Wow.

Speaker 4

08:16

So I'm an old fart. So over the last 60 years, there it is. It started like in middle Canada somewhere and it started going north. It is passing the North Pole en route to Siberia.

Speaker 2

08:32

Holy crap.

Speaker 4

08:33

Yes. Your compass has never been more accurate before Because it's bite. It's coming along the left side of the North Pole So it's close to the North Pole North geographic North Pole then it's then it's ever been in like recorded history. Okay?

Speaker 4

08:51

And so it's gonna go on its way over to Siberia. And this is because Earth's core, which has iron in it, that's molten, that conducts electricity as it convexes, something called a dynamo, where if you have a magnetic material that can move, the movement of that electrically conducting material such as iron will induce a magnetic field that'll take over the whole planet, that'll be manifest across the planet. Nice. So, but that is, if it's the fact that things are moving means it's not perfectly coupled to the rest of the planet.

Speaker 4

09:35

So the core can rotate at a slightly different rate than the whole planet does. And it could sort of process back and, it can do things. And right now what it's doing is it's twerking its North Pole, which is really the South Pole, out of Canada by the North Pole and it's en route to making a beeline for Siberia.

Speaker 2

09:57

Now did you say it's twerking? No, no, I didn't. Was that what I heard?

Speaker 2

10:03

That's So strange. I mean, I don't blame anybody for trying to make a living, even in magnetic fields. I'm just saying.

Speaker 4

10:14

Yeah, It's not, the word should be more familiar than it is, but it's torque. Yeah, auto mechanics know the word torque, but no 1 else, and physicists, but nobody else does. Torquing is, you grab onto something and set it to rotate or not.

Speaker 4

10:29

So, torquing is a force that instead of putting something into straight motion, puts it into rotational motion. That's a torque. Okay. It's a cool word.

Speaker 4

10:39

T-O-R-Q-U-E. Q-U. Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 4

10:41

Yeah. So, this is what's going on with the magnetic field. I just wanted to update you on that. That's pretty cool, actually.

Speaker 2

10:47

Yeah, and there's no requirement

Speaker 4

10:50

that the magnetic field exactly align with the geography. In fact- Well, it makes sense that

Speaker 2

10:57

it wouldn't, because like you said, it's, you know, the core is spinning inside of, you know, this kind of liquid,

Speaker 4

11:06

you know. Exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2

11:08

It's all fluid.

Speaker 4

11:09

It's all fluid. So it is some coupling, but it's not tight coupling. So it's wandering, it's wandering.

Speaker 4

11:17

And so, by the way, planets that have solid cores don't have magnetic fields. So the moon is solid all the way through, no magnetic field. We think Mars is solid all the way through, it's got hardly any, barely any magnetic field. So, But Earth we know has an active core.

Speaker 4

11:35

And by the way, there are stars in the universe, neutron stars, that have magnetic fields that if the magnetic field is steeply angled to the rotation axis, that means when the thing rotates, it swings past your field of view, the North Pole, or whatever its poles, goes like that. And in so doing, it can accelerate particles and give off radio waves. But these radio waves will pulse past your field of view. These dead stars.

Speaker 4

12:17

So we call these stars pulsars.

Speaker 2

12:20

Pulsars. Yes. What? Get out of here, that's amazing.

Speaker 4

12:24

A pulsar is a magnetic neutron star where the magnetic field axis is tipped so that as it rotates, it swings it past your field of view. So nothing is actually pulsing. It's just, it's like a lighthouse effect.

Speaker 2

12:41

Right, yeah, that's so cool. What a perfect way to light house.

Speaker 4

12:44

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2

12:45

Now when I was a kid, a pulsar was a watch. That's all we knew.

Speaker 4

12:48

But they got their word from us, just so you know. Ha ha ha ha! We got it first, we got there first, okay?

Speaker 4

12:54

So, and we got there first with a whole lot of vocabulary. Like, antimatter, that's us first, okay?

Speaker 2

13:00

Oh, come on, that was Star Trek. No, ha ha! You know you guys stole that from Star Trek.

Speaker 2

13:03

You know you stole that from Star Trek

Speaker 4

13:06

And and half the stuff that that they didn't steal they made up and doesn't exist like dilithium crystals, right?

Speaker 2

13:13

Okay, yes, exactly.

Speaker 4

13:15

There's lithium, but there's no dilithium.

Speaker 2

13:16

There's no dilithium.

Speaker 4

13:17

There's definitely no dilithium crystals. There's flux and there's a capacitor, but there's no flux capacitor. Okay?

Speaker 4

13:26

Yeah. Yeah. Ha

Speaker 2

13:27

ha ha ha ha ha. Just put it out. It's your kid's body.

Speaker 4

13:30

It's a

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kid's. Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Speaker 4

13:36

Anyhow, so and this magnetic field, oh by the way, there are times where our magnetic field has flipped, okay? And the people read about this and they worry that when they say, oh the axis is gonna flip They think it's like our physical axis

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and

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13:52

they're worried that that'll be the end of the world But no the magnetic axis what will happen is the dynamo slows down dies Dies it fades then the magnetic field disappears and then it reappears but flipped from what it was before. So in that future, the actual magnetic North Pole will be in the North and compasses will then all point South. When that happens.

Speaker 4

14:20

Oh, by the way, you know something? That happens to the sun every 11 years.

Speaker 2

14:25

That's cool.

Speaker 4

14:27

Because the sun rotates once a month. Okay, that's pretty fast for something a million times larger than the earth. And so it has a magnetic field, that magnetic field slowly dissipates, goes away, comes back and resets itself pointing the other direction.

Speaker 4

14:44

And all sunspots come in pairs. And the sunspot pair is a positive and negative of a magnetic field. So magnetism is everywhere It's very cool.

Speaker 2

14:54

That's That is more than cool. I don't know. I never knew that

Speaker 4

14:58

when the Sun's a magnetic field is getting weaker and weaker and before it flips, all the sunspots go away. It's pretty wild. So this magnetic thing, it's not just a, I mean, it's an active force operating on this world and others.

Speaker 2

15:17

Excellent.

Speaker 4

15:17

Just thought I'd tell you.

Speaker 2

15:19

I love it. All right. This was a good 1.

Speaker 2

15:22

Okay. This was a good 1. Okay. By the way, If you happen

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15:30

to still have 1 of those bar magnets, take a string with a thin thread, tie it exactly in the middle and just dangle it there and it will align it. You don't have to be inside of a compass vessel. It'll just, it'll find- It'll

Speaker 2

15:43

just find its way.

Speaker 4

15:44

Magnetic north. Right now it's pretty close to Santa.

Speaker 2

15:47

Yeah.

Speaker 4

15:49

Nice. Yeah. There you go. And 1 last thing before we call it quits.

Speaker 4

15:52

At Grand Central Terminal in New York City.

Speaker 2

15:56

Yes. In the subway. Yep. On the floor.

Speaker 4

16:01

Okay. Is a compass rose.

Speaker 2

16:04

Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 4

16:05

Now there's no compass. No, there's no needle on it, but there is

Speaker 2

16:10

the actual.

Speaker 4

16:11

And it's pointing the north that's real on the geography of the world.

Speaker 2

16:15

That's right.

Speaker 4

16:16

And that's in the subway, so it's just, it's getting you ready for- Inlaid, inlaid into the floor. Inlaid into the floor, you got it. Yeah.

Speaker 4

16:23

Last I checked it was there. There's been a lot of subway construction.

Speaker 2

16:26

And plus, you never know what the rats are gonna do. Sometimes they decide to, they're just like, we're gonna redecorate. We're sorry, we're tired of looking at this.

Speaker 4

16:33

And this paint was tasty. Let me lick it off.

Speaker 2

16:35

No. No. No. No.

Speaker 2

16:38

No. No, no. Know what it is? I got it.

Speaker 2

16:42

I got it. Because the

Speaker 4

16:42

compass rose has all the directions, right? So The rats from the East show up.

Speaker 2

16:50

And they sit at the East Point. And then the rats from the South of town, they come in. And that's where all The Dons are having their meeting.

Speaker 2

17:01

The gang rats of New York. Ha ha ha ha ha. That's the raps from Brooklyn. All right, who called

Speaker 4

17:09

the meeting? Who called? Exactly.

Speaker 2

17:11

Ha ha ha ha ha. I'm sorry, man. I am no good now.

Speaker 2

17:16

I am for the rest of this day, I'm just going to be playing out, you know, the gang rats of New York. Every rap mafia movie, you know, just, you know, like, rap Corleone. Just a,

Speaker 3

17:33

You come to me on the day of my

Speaker 2

17:34

daughter's wedding. Oh, God! It's like...

Speaker 2

17:39

Oh, God! And you ask me for this cheese. Oh, God! You come and take my pizza.

Speaker 2

17:56

All right, everything you ever wanted to

Speaker 4

17:58

know about compasses, there it is.

Speaker 2

17:59

Yes.

Speaker 4

18:00

All right, dude, we got to take a break. But when we come back, more TYTYK. There you go.

Speaker 4

18:08

On StarTalk. We'll be right back.

Speaker 5

18:19

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Speaker 5

18:30

And I support StarTalk on Patreon. This is StarTalk with Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Speaker 4

18:44

We're back. Things You Thought You Knew edition of StarTalk. So, do you know why clocks reckon time clockwise?

Speaker 4

18:57

That sounds like a no.

Speaker 2

18:58

Yeah, that's a big no. Cause see what I was about to do was try to think of something quickly, but then immediately I went left to right. But that is, clocks came about before left to right.

Speaker 2

19:10

So, you know, in terms of we read left to right, but we're not the only people that read left, you know, I mean, we're, there are people who read up and down, some people read right to left, so, you know, that

Speaker 4

19:24

doesn't make sense. And just to be clear, all the hands of a clock also go from right to left, when they are between the 3 and the 9.

Speaker 2

19:32

Right. That's right. Just to be clear. There you go.

Speaker 2

19:37

All right, so that's not it. So, okay.

Speaker 4

19:43

So clockwise.

Speaker 2

19:45

That's just the way they did it and then all of a sudden we just started calling it clockwise

Speaker 4

19:58

Okay, Chuck So, okay the reason is simple and complicated at the same time. On the equator, the sun rises due east and sets due west every day of the year. And it is the only place on Earth where that happens.

Speaker 4

20:21

All right? And so the sun goes high overhead, giving literal meaning to high noon. And then it goes over before

Speaker 2

20:31

it sets. Dips down behind the horizon.

Speaker 4

20:34

As you hike north, the arc the sun takes in the sky goes farther and farther south. It no longer goes directly overhead. It's just that the arc, going from east to west, just sits lower and lower in the sky.

Speaker 2

20:54

Okay.

Speaker 4

20:55

Until you hit the Arctic Circle where the Sun is like practically horizontal to the horizon as it goes all the way around but we're we're here in New York City we're middle latitude so the Sun's path through the sky is sort of in the mean in between somewhere okay That means it's basically almost always south of you. Just think about that. If on the equator it's to your left and above your head and to the right.

Speaker 4

21:34

As you walk north, the sun's arc dips behind you and behind you is south. Okay. Okay? It's South.

Speaker 4

21:46

So here's the point. In the Northern Hemisphere, if you were ever facing the sun, you will never be facing North. It is never North. Oh.

Speaker 4

21:57

Ever. And where does the moss grow on the tree? On the north side of the tree. Right, the Sun never hits that side of these objects in the northern hemisphere.

Speaker 4

22:10

Okay, in the southern hemisphere it's the opposite and they would grow moss on their southern side. Okay, Because the sun would always then be north of where they are. And it's fun when I visit the southern hemisphere, I'm always just rethinking all of this. It's just a fun thing to reconstruct the geometry of Earth in space relative to the Sun.

Speaker 4

22:33

Okay. Alright, so civilization as we know it began in the northern hemisphere. Okay? Alright.

Speaker 4

22:44

What was the 1 of the first timekeeping devices people used? Sundial. Sundial. So a sundial has all the hours of the day on a flat surface, And there's a thing sticking up that actually has an official word I would just call it a stick but the official word is a gnomon with a G G-N-O-M-O-N Gnomon

Speaker 2

23:17

Gnomon

Speaker 4

23:19

Gnomon So the gnomon, when illuminated by the sun, cast a shadow on these numbers, and you calibrate this depending on what latitudes you're in on Earth's surface. You need a different sundial if you're at a different latitude. Each sundial only works for 1 latitude.

Speaker 4

23:46

Okay? Okay. All right. So, picture this, okay?

Speaker 4

23:52

I got my sundial, and I got my gnomon, and the sun rises in the east, okay? And as the sun rises up, the gnomon casts a shadow on these hours that are carved into the brass plate. Right. And we can ask, what direction does the gnomon's shadow move?

Speaker 4

24:18

Right, yes. On the sun dial. Gnomon shadow moves clockwise.

Speaker 2

24:26

There you go.

Speaker 4

24:28

All right, all the way until The sun is in the west and it casts a shadow far over on the right-hand side of the dial, if you're facing south.

Speaker 2

24:36

Well, I'm- And then nighttime comes and no man knows what time it is. No, I

Speaker 4

24:41

had night, I'd be facing north in my example. That's right. So sundials are completely useless at

Speaker 2

24:48

night like spider-man in the middle of a meadow now you should You can outrun spider-man Okay Stop! F you Spidey! Ahhhh!

Speaker 2

25:10

Okay. So,

Speaker 4

25:13

I never thought how to outrun Spider-Man. That would work. So, if you're gonna now make a some kind of physical clock that is inspired by this amazing timekeeping device called a sundial, then it makes sense that you would track time in the same direction the sundial tracked time.

Speaker 2

25:35

Exactly.

Speaker 4

25:36

So our clocks are emulated sundials.

Speaker 2

25:41

And mechanical sundials. That is so cool. Correct.

Speaker 2

25:46

All right.

Speaker 4

25:47

But that also means, so this is evidence that civilization that invented sundials did it in the Northern Hemisphere. Because if it was the Southern Hemisphere.

Speaker 2

26:00

All clocks would be running backwards.

Speaker 4

26:02

Clocks would be going

Speaker 2

26:04

counterclockwise. Correct.

Speaker 4

26:06

And then we invented digital timekeeping, where there's just numbers. And I remember when that came out, because that's how old I am, I said, wow, we don't have to think about what time it is by looking at hands on a clock. The digits just tell you.

Speaker 4

26:23

And what I found is people started forgetting how to think of time geometrically. Okay, so if it's

Speaker 1

26:34

1230,

Speaker 4

26:36

and it said it, you would say it's

Speaker 1

26:37

1230,

Speaker 4

26:39

or 1233, right, whatever. In the old days, you'd say, oh, it's half past 12. Right,

Speaker 2

26:45

quarter till.

Speaker 4

26:45

A quarter till.

Speaker 1

26:46

10

Speaker 4

26:47

of. No, no, quarters and halves are geometry of a circular dial.

Speaker 2

26:52

Right,

Speaker 4

26:52

yeah. Okay, and so that's why we think 15 minutes is a quarter of an hour. Yes, it's also that in digital time, but you're not thinking that way.

Speaker 2

27:02

The

Speaker 4

27:02

way you think of a quarter of a pizza or a quarter of a circle. So we've lost the power to think about time geometrically. I mean, some people have retained it, but by and large not.

Speaker 4

27:12

But it also gives a false sense of precision. When I say what time is it, you say it was

Speaker 1

27:18

1233.

Speaker 4

27:18

Did I really care that it was 1233? Really? Was that what I was after?

Speaker 4

27:23

I just wanted to know it's about 1230, right?

Speaker 2

27:26

Well, not if you're trying to catch a train.

Speaker 4

27:28

No, okay, fine. But otherwise, okay, otherwise, it's I'm just saying it's a often when you want it, when you ask someone the time, you just want to know the approximate time.

Speaker 2

27:43

But

Speaker 4

27:43

when it's handed to you digitally, you end up reporting it digitally.

Speaker 2

27:46

Right.

Speaker 4

27:47

And that's, and it becomes unnecessary precision in the moment. Yeah. And I have an analog wristwatch, and of course you see even the digital watches today, you can put it in analog mode.

Speaker 2

27:58

Yes.

Speaker 4

27:59

Right, where you can see the hand, which I like.

Speaker 2

28:00

So I have a digital watch that you could change the face of. I mean, and I have several different watch faces on here. And most of them are analog, but it's funny that you just said what you said about the digital precision.

Speaker 2

28:20

I don't use them because when I look down, I want to see numbers. You want to see numbers. I want to see numbers.

Speaker 4

28:28

Now it turns out today, everyone does have the exact time as each other, right? And I tweeted a few months ago, I said, in the era of the smartphone, gone is the scene in heist movies where people gather in a circle and say what?

Speaker 2

28:47

All right, let's synchronize our watches. Let's synchronize our watches. Yeah.

Speaker 4

28:52

Yeah. And so anyone in modern times say, why would you do

Speaker 2

28:56

that? Exactly.

Speaker 4

28:57

Aren't they already synchronized with GPS? So that is such an antiquated prehistoric moment in a heist movie. Yeah.

Speaker 4

29:06

That it's almost quaint. And I say, damn, I am that old.

Speaker 2

29:09

Yeah, well, nowadays it'd be like, all right, let's synchronize our watches. And they'd be like, What's a watch? What are you talking?

Speaker 2

29:18

You mean our phones? The phone already has the time on it, man. Phones got the time on it. What you talking about?

Speaker 2

29:25

What's wrong with your phone, man? Why does your phone not have time on it? Yeah, go back into the other movie. We're going to need you.

Speaker 2

29:31

Exactly.

Speaker 4

29:32

But, a little known fact to the youngins out there, that accurate wristwatches would lose or gain a minute a day. Right. The accurate ones was a minute a week, couple of minutes a month.

Speaker 4

29:48

So you were guaranteed to not match the time of other people if you were about to commit a crime.

Speaker 2

29:53

And that's why you would have people would say, what time do you have? Yes. What time do you have?

Speaker 4

30:00

Not what time is it.

Speaker 2

30:01

Not what time is it, yes.

Speaker 4

30:03

What time do you have? Right. And that way, that's the time your own little world and your own little watch.

Speaker 2

30:08

Yeah, be like, oh my God, it's 4.30, I'm late. Oh, wait a minute, I'll just go in the kitchen. It's only 4.15 in there.

Speaker 2

30:14

No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2

30:18

I had

Speaker 4

30:18

a friend in college who kept her clock 20 minutes early. And I say, why do you do that? So that way I'm never late.

Speaker 4

30:26

Don't you know

Speaker 2

30:27

that it's 20 minutes early? Exactly.

Speaker 4

30:29

Yeah, but I still, I couldn't, I'm too analytic to embrace that. I just let it go. I was not gonna have a conversation about that.

Speaker 4

30:40

It'd be something different if she had someone randomly each morning set it ahead.

Speaker 2

30:44

Yeah, You set my clock ahead, I won't know what time, how many minutes or whatever. It could be 2 minutes ahead, it could be 10 minutes, it could be 20 minutes. That's right.

Speaker 2

30:53

But when you do it, it's like hiding your own Easter eggs. Come on.

Speaker 4

30:58

And 1 last thing, in the old days, when they made chronometers that they would send out to sea, which had to be able to resist the rocking of the boat and keep accurate time, otherwise you don't know where you are on Earth's surface, by the way. If you built a very careful seaworthy chronometer and you sent it out, and it lost a minute a day, you would not take it back to the shop to fix it. You had a formula correction for it, and you would not mess with it.

Speaker 4

31:28

So after 3 days, it would be slowed by 3 minutes, and you'd correct for that. And so that's how you got a clock and took it with you the clock and the correction formula

Speaker 2

31:40

so

Speaker 4

31:40

you would always you would always be on on time and on cue.

Speaker 2

31:44

That's yeah That's, thank God for the phone. Because that sounds like a nightmare. Or jet planes.

Speaker 4

32:00

So I just wonder, in a hundred years, and say all those poor suckers and back in 2023 They only had GPS and they only had this and they only had that I think I lose sleep over Wondering how primitive it is what's going on with us that when people a hundred years hence will look back and be glad they're not alive back in these backwards times.

Speaker 2

32:21

Or they'll look back and realize, God, those guys were actually alive back then. No. Ah, ah, ah.

Speaker 4

32:32

They still had some semblance of civilization. Is that true, mommy, daddy?

Speaker 2

32:37

Is that, is that? Tell us about the before 4 times, dad.

Speaker 4

32:46

Before we became pets for

Speaker 2

32:47

AI. Exactly. But before. Yeah, man.

Speaker 2

32:52

Who knows?

Speaker 4

32:53

Children, there was a time when humans controlled artificial intelligence. What?

Speaker 2

33:00

You're just making stuff up, Dad. No, it's true. We invented them.

Speaker 2

33:08

All right,

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Speaker 4

34:06

Chuck, we're back. The next segment of TYTYK, Things You Thought You Knew. Yes.

Speaker 4

34:12

So, you know, before a certain time, if you see phone numbers in old-timey TV shows, they only gave 7 numbers. They didn't give an area code. And because area codes had to be sort of formulated and figured out by the phone company that if you were going to dial on your own, that they needed a way to direct the call to the proper location instead of calling the operator. The operator, get me something, so it's not in New York or in Los Angeles or in, right?

Speaker 4

34:42

So now you can dial it directly. So this was a big advance in people's ability to communicate without the help of a telephone operator. All right. So now let's go back to the dial phone.

Speaker 4

34:55

The dial phone. Okay?

Speaker 2

34:58

Okay. Okay. All right.

Speaker 4

35:00

So in the dial phone, you stuck your finger in the hole and you rotated the dial all the way to this little finger stopper.

Speaker 2

35:08

You

Speaker 4

35:08

pulled your finger out and then it clicked all its way back. Okay? By the way, each 1 of those clicks was itself an acoustic instruction to the phone to dial that number.

Speaker 4

35:23

If you, which I owned at the time, something that just simply makes clicking sounds, you can just pick up the phone and attach it to the microphone, you

Speaker 2

35:31

know, the bottom part of

Speaker 4

35:32

the phone, and then you can click your phone number into the phone system without actually dialing. Okay. But that was like short-lived because then we had touch tone in this.

Speaker 4

35:42

But let's go back to the dial phone. So The number 1 was all the way at the top. Right. And had the shortest distance to go to get to the finger stopper.

Speaker 4

35:54

So you have 123456789, and then what came after 900 or O. 0 for operator.

Speaker 2

36:04

For operator.

Speaker 4

36:05

Okay. Nice. So that 1 you bring it around, that was like 10 clicks.

Speaker 2

36:10

Okay.

Speaker 4

36:11

All the way around. All right. So the phone company, By the way, I worked for AT&T Bell Labs when I was in college.

Speaker 4

36:20

I had a summer internship there at Murray Hill, which was the research headquarters in New Jersey.

Speaker 2

36:28

I sold weed out of a phone booth once. We're so much alike. We should be friends.

Speaker 2

36:39

You don't. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Speaker 2

36:39

Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Speaker 2

36:39

Stop. We're so much alike. Stop. Stop.

Speaker 2

36:39

We should be friends. Okay. Stop.

Speaker 4

36:42

Stop. Stop. So anyhow, So that sensitized me to the history of phones and the long lines and why long distance calls were so expensive, because they used the profits from that to pay for everything else, which is why making a normal phone call was not very expensive. So in the day, you'd make a long distance phone call.

Speaker 4

37:03

You told the people you were calling long distance. I'm making a, you know, I'm calling long distance. They would drop everything to accommodate you because everyone knew that that was costing some real cash

Speaker 2

37:15

right there. This guy's got some

Speaker 1

37:16

money.

Speaker 2

37:17

No, that's not what they would think. They'd say,

Speaker 4

37:19

we gotta help out so that my bell doesn't end up with all our money.

Speaker 2

37:23

All right,

Speaker 4

37:23

that was the collective understanding here. All right, so time to make area codes. It's time for area codes.

Speaker 4

37:33

All right. Well, they already had a set of digits that were reserved for certain tasks. So 411, if you type 411, that was reserved for information. You dial 411 and you'd get a human telephone book, basically.

Speaker 4

37:53

What is the number of Johnny Jones, whatever, or Mary Smith at this address? They'd look it up and Sometimes they'll dial it for you or they would just tell you and you'd write it down.

Speaker 2

38:04

All right. Wow.

Speaker 4

38:05

Okay. Yeah, this is like forever ago. All right. So, that's 1 way you would use the operator.

Speaker 4

38:15

Okay. So now, another way is

Speaker 1

38:18

611.

Speaker 4

38:20

So 611 would be if there was something wrong with your phone and you needed repairs. Okay, so they say we'll be by tomorrow to look at the phone line, whatever. So they had a few of these that all had a 1 in the middle.

Speaker 4

38:35

Okay. However, those were established after area codes were established. Okay? Now, They knew we're not going to have a phone number beginning with a 1 nor a phone number beginning with a 0 Those are off limits.

Speaker 4

38:55

Okay So start there now What city has the highest population in the United States?

Speaker 2

39:04

New York City.

Speaker 4

39:04

New York City. Okay. Absolutely.

Speaker 4

39:07

So the highest population city, New York, they wanted that to be where the Area code can be dialed the quickest because the most number of people would be dialing it.

Speaker 2

39:23

That's right.

Speaker 4

39:24

And you don't want to burden so many people with waiting around for the dial to finish dialing.

Speaker 2

39:33

That's right, because you're going with the finger thing. With the finger thing. So you can't have 211, so you gotta have

Speaker 1

39:39

212. 212

Speaker 4

39:41

is the shortest time dialed area code on a dial.

Speaker 2

39:48

Yo, that's cool.

Speaker 4

39:49

Okay, so now, what city has the next highest population?

Speaker 2

39:54

Probably Los Angeles. Los Angeles. What is the area code of Los Angeles?

Speaker 2

40:00

What is Los Angeles?

Speaker 1

40:01

213. 213. No, 213. 213.

Speaker 1

40:05

213.

Speaker 2

40:05

That's the next lowest. That's why you have this.

Speaker 4

40:09

Okay, okay. What's the next most popular city?

Speaker 2

40:13

Probably Chicago.

Speaker 4

40:14

Chicago. What's the area code of Chicago?