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The best way to get flexible. Lift weights. That's right. Getting stronger. Gives you real world flexibility.

Now I'm not just talking about passive range of motion. That's nice. You could do the split. It's great. But do you have strength with that new range of motion.

Functional flexibility is what counts. Otherwise, you're like a toddler. Great. You could sit in weird positions, but you put load on your back and you get hurt. So you want functional flexibility, the kind that prevents injury, lift weights with the full range of motion.

It's the best way to get that.

Don't get function.

I don't think this is

this pisses people off by those.

Get functional. Yeah.

I also don't think that it's still common knowledge. I think it's still I still think most people think that lifting heavy weights is what makes you tight and not flexible.

Yes.

So this and to be honest, this is not something that I I fully understood even as a young trainer when I first started training because you feel soreness and tightness in the muscle. And if you ever lifted chest heavy or legs heavy the next day you try to move, you do. You feel stiff. So you think, oh, okay. Well, lifting weights is not the best thing for flexibility.

Well, the key is doing it right. Right? Because you can make yourself tighter if you lift wrong. Like, if you always train in the same planes of movement. Okay?

You can get really strong in particular exercises. But then because you're weak outside of that, let's say laterally or rotationally, then your body tightens you up because you have all the strength going in 1 direction. It'll tighten you up so that it doesn't allow you to move outside of that because All that power can then hurt you. So it can't make you tired if you do it wrong. The key here is to train with a variety of movements, train in all different planes of movement.

And to train with the full range of motion. Now what happens is you get strong with that new range of motion. Otherwise, it's like that example I gave, like, I have a I have a 7 month old daughter she's flexible as hell. I mean, she could put her toes in her mouth and I could bend her all over the place, but she's unstable. That's not flexibility.

That's actually a recipe for injury. And trainers who've worked with lots of people have encountered this occasionally where you have that hyper flexible, weak client, and those people hurt themselves. It's instability. So long static stretching. What that does, that increases range of motion, but it doesn't give you functional flexibility.

In the real world, it's all about functional flexibility. It's not about range of motion.

I know

this was an evolution for all of us and and definitely it was for me in terms of, like, stretching my clients out and trying to get them to achieve, like, certain new ranges of motion. And so a lot of times would intervene and would help kind of be that sort of external force to help kinda pull their arm back, like, and get it to go a little bit further back passively. But they could never hold and sustain it or try to do that on their own. And then, you know, once I figured out that, like, adding muscle tension. Right?

So if I'm doing this now and I'm squeezing my muscles and pulling and trying actively to get in that position.

Right. You can move that.

You can go further and also you have access to be able to actually lift weights or or do something functionally in that range of motion.

Well, do you think what also contributes to the stigma around lifting weights making you tighter and less of a range motion has to do too with after you train a muscle, especially in an exercise you haven't done a long time, the soreness is is typically in the origin or insertion of the muscles where you feel most and so you tend to like, when you're sore,

when you're sore. Sure.

You don't wanna move to range of motion because it's like, you know, you just you just trained it hard. And so because your sore and the soreness is normally at the end ranges of motion, that it feels like, oh, that's shortening my range of motion up, but it's just because you're

less That's what you're signaling to your body.

Oh, look.

Think of

it this way. Think of

don't wanna go for I'm

gonna use an analogy to see if this works out. Like, imagine a a super powerful train on rails. Okay? The the more powerful and fast that train goes, the the the the less sharp turns can be because any sharper and it can go right off the rails because requires tremendous amount of of stability to support that speed. So you can't take super sharp turns because of that momentum.

Okay. So if you train with short ranges of motion, like bodybuilders do. You do the same exercises. You don't rotate. You don't train laterally.

You don't train all the different planes of motion. Your body will actually tighten up. To limit where you can access that power because you're so strong pressing forward, but you've got no strength with stabilizing your let's say, internal external rotation. Well, now, yeah, you do get you you can find yourself getting a little tighter. That's why this is so important.

You do it right. But if you train right, and do it properly and train all those planes of movement and train them full range of motion. What happens is you you develop strength and stability and all of these. Now you have real functionality. And again, I'll I'll go back to this.

Like, you can be hyper flexible, but if you don't have strength, you're screwed. You're gonna dislocate joints. You're gonna injure yourself. You're gonna get hurt because injury happens, not because I mean, yes, freak things can happen, but typically, injuries happen because you don't have the strength to support yourself in a range of motion that just happened. Like, you you step off a curb or you reach to grab something

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Mhmm.

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maybe you move faster than your stability allowed you to stabilize or you lifted something in a position where you didn't have the strength of stability to support. Boom. You end up hurting yourself. Yeah.

I mean, the analogy you're giving with the train is the the example that we probably saw a lot as as trainers, which was the strength training athlete or the bodybuilder guy who, you know, decided to go throw a baseball or or throw a frisbee, you know, for the first time in years. And, you know, tore felt like they ripped their shoulder off. It it was it was because they're so strong in a in a specific plan of motion that

stabilizers, their their own support

just weren't there. You know, you you throw it, and then you're you should be able to move in that range of motion. But because you're so strong in 1 and weak in out side of that, it was real easy to injure yourself.

Yeah. And now this is why for the person now somebody listening is like, I don't care. I just wanna build muscle. Whatever. I'll take that risk.

You know, that would have been me. Right? As a as a teenager,

talked to a few of those in the DM.

4 of my twenties. Now here's the other part of this. So, yes, you'll lose flexibility. Injury risk goes up. You become less functional.

So great. You look nice. But now in the real world, you're actually less capable. But here's the other part of this. Your body has protection mechanisms, it has limiters, governors.

And what it'll do is it'll actually limit your potential for strength and muscle, or it'll try to. So if you're so if your body starts to develop too much instability, your bench press won't go up, your deadlift won't go up, your squat won't go up, your overhead press won't go up. You won't build as much muscle as you can. So mobility work and training in different ranges of motion. This is why a program like maps performance.

Right? This is an athletic functional minded strength training program. Do you know how many bodybuilders would build more muscle if they followed a 3 month training program like that every 2 years? Know, just every 2 year. Once every 2 years, 2 or 3 months of that style of training.

Yeah. So it's totally different from bodybuilding. You're not doing your normal bodybuilding training. That's okay. It's only a few months.

Then you go back to your traditional training. And now what what's happened is you've taken those governors that were stuck at 8, and you've allowed them now to move up to 9 or 10. So now you can progress further. You can build more muscle. You can build even more strength.

Mhmm. So regardless of what your goal is, this is something that's very important. But I do like to touch on this flexibility component because the the myth there's a myth out there that strength training is not only not the best way to get you know, real flexibility, it actually does the opposite. Totally not sure. If you do it right, you become flexible in real ways.

It's it's the best way to train.

What what percentage of genetics play in in flexibility, would you say?

Yeah. Big I mean,

I I it's funny because I know that, like, you you find, like, these, like, yogis or or, you know, guys and girls that love, like, doing classes like that. And many times it's it's less about that they got so good at doing that. They were already really good and it had, like, extremely large ranges of motion in most of their joints. Like, is it 50 percent, 80 percent? Is it what percentage would you say is genetics of people that have this

Like any physical pursuit and it plays a role.

So you would you then would you categorize it just like string genetics play role and building strength or muscle. Absolutely.

So so wherever you're at, you can make tremendous progress. But can everybody become you know, the guy, I went to the circus O'Leigh performance wise, and there was this dude there that folded themselves himself -- He's still -- -- pretzel. Girl, Unthought, it was it was actually disturbing. Like, he would literally fold himself in half like a like like, he was, like, pressed in half like a piece of paper. And then some

crazy is, like, yeah, he starts out being super flexible, then he actually trains it even further. Right? To the point where, like, yeah, he can actually have his legs completely behind and in his head through.

He was when he was standing north.

This is how this happens. This is my point. Right. So, like, that's somebody in a propensity towards. Already, like, he did he was more flexible than somebody who probably has been working on flexibility for 10 years straight.

He had it naturally.

Yeah.

And then he also took it to the, you know, level like a professional

Well, actually, in fact, I remember I was because this is remember Jessica knows people that work for circular solace. So we got to, like, meet some of the people, whatever, and we're kind of backstage. And I saw this guy walking around. And because he trains with such an extreme level of flexibility, he had the strangest looking posture and movement. Like, I like watch, you know, somebody who understands movement, biomechanics.

If I didn't know that that's what he did and I just saw him walk around, I would think something is some was y'all, like, it was just weird. He just didn't move like a normal person and his spine wasn't you know, you know, you know, you got that normal kind of slight s curve. Yeah. It was almost like his back was totally straight, almost. Yeah.

It was really weird. Like, you could tell something and it's because he did so much, like, like, 1 of, like, 1 of his key acts was he would, like, bend himself backwards and then twist his spine and walk his feet around while he was doing it. I don't know. I can't I have

a hard time watching that stuff to you.

Yes.

It's hard to watch it. Like, I don't know what it why that

it feels weird. Yeah. There was also this person who did

this alien.

There was also this woman and another 1 I went to where they heard ponytail. She had hair. She had been a ponytail. And she hung from her hair. And she would spin and do crazy acrobatics.

Yeah. And then my daughter pointed this out. She goes, my god. Look at her hairline. And you and then I wasn't I really paid attention.

I looked. And you could tell she'd ripped out so much hair that, like, her hair started right here. Get that such a shame. And her neck must be so yeah. Like like, there's gotta be some long term

I've seen that. I assume hold on with her teeth. And and are those, like, clamps that they have, you know, or they just have piercings that they have. Oh. Some people do, like, crazy stuff with their skin.

I mean, it's It's fascinating. I do I do like to see the extremes though. Like, I appreciate it, you know, people that put that kind of, like, discipline into

Well, the the thing about extremes, I think that messes people up is that they look at extreme physical pursuits or athletes and then they attribute a style of training to creating that in reality. It's like they're genetically gifted for that. Then they train at such a ridiculous obsessed already being gifted yet. They've surpassed. They've gone well beyond, like, this is good for me.

Now into, like, this is not good for me. And so you can't really judge you know Yeah. It's judge

it's a spectacle. That's something to pursue.

I think judging strength training by looking at a pro body builder. I was like, no. That's not That's strength 3. Yeah. It is strength training, but there's extreme It's well beyond what the average person would even want.

So anyway,

I wanna do bring something that's, like, off subjects. So there's a little bit of a left turn here, but I keep forgetting to talk with us. And I figure since I've been kind of a grumpy bear lately, that I I should say something.

You mean, just is that 1

of the care bears?

Yeah. It is. It's actually my favorite 1.

He thinks it's so cute.

For sure.

No. I haven't. So you and honestly, we there's a lot of cool stuff that's happening behind the scenes and with the business. And I know that beginning of this year that we set out on this mission of add value, add value. Very similar to how we built this company and, of course, like any other business, real easily, you can get into the weeds of revenue streams and breeding year and what's next and scaling and growing and we've been on that that trajectory for the last 5 plus years since we started this and something that we all got together and was during this kind of COVID recession time and a lot of thought went into, like, you know what, this year coming up.

The focus is gonna really go back to the the mindset of what Bill this business, which was providing so much value and free content and value and something that we haven't brought up in a while that is is doing really well. It's free It's the newsletter that you have access to. I mean, we've invested in a professional writer to Darren, who's incredible. And we're evolving it. Right?

So the I and the reason why the help and support I'm gonna ask for our audience is for the feedback. You know, you can actually sign up just to receive the newsletter if you don't want any sort of you know, promotion or anything else, so you don't wanna I know I know it's like to not want your email flooded, so this is a newsletter that comes out. Once every other week or once a week, Doug, is it you know what it is?

Right? It's every other week.

So every other week right now, hopefully, we'll scale that up to

The the illustrations on it are great. And in the writing, it's amazing.

Yeah. It's incredible. Very

unique. Super witty writer.

And it's a great way to kind of summarize the content. If you're not a everyday listener of the podcast, and you want an overview of some of the stuff that we talked about in the previous week and, oh, that might be an episode I wanna go listen to. And get an idea of what it's about, and we're adding things to it, like, fitness tips and stuff like that. So we're trying to evolve it, make it even more valuable, better the idea is to bring the the type of value that we've created in the podcast and the other channels that we have into the email list. Email list being transparent has been primarily used for us for marketing.

It's been we've grown this huge email list and it's been used to base just let our audience know when their sales and things like that. And 1 of the things we wanna do is to find a way to actually add value to that, and that's 1 big thing. And that's been going. It's been going for the last few months and it's been going well. The other thing that is officially live and going is the ask mind pump dot com, which

This is an AI model. This this will answer. The the challenge has been since it's since we started the podcast, the goal was to, you know, kinda give good information and maybe change the direction of fitness industry a little bit or to counter a lot of the crap that's out there. And so, you know, 1 thing we do better than anybody in our space, I'll say this very confidently, is we do we produce more content. That's what we do.

5 episodes a week, we've been doing this for since almost the beginning. So we got a lot of podcasts out there. We got a lot of thousands of hours out there. So what this AI model does, this was really cool. You go to ask meinpump dot com.

You ask it a question and it goes through our episodes and it answers it the way we would answer it in our voice essentially.

And we've covered topics like multiple times. And so this is a helpful way to get you right to those impactful episodes, those impactful articles, like anything we've put out with that specific subject matter. It's like, boom. Here you go. Because, I mean, half the time, like, we're not podcasting or doing anything else with business.

It's like, we're just trying to answer questions for people as best as we can. So I

don't remember what point it was for you guys, but I I do remember there was a transition in, you know, early on when the show was small, and we were able to talk to every single 1 of our DMs and answer almost every question that came across. We I think we did a pretty good job of doing that. Then at 1 point, it tipped beyond that. We were still scrambling to try and answer and help as many people as we could. And then it came to a point where almost every DM or every time I answer somebody, what I really all I was really doing was spending 15 to 20 minutes, finding the answer that we had already created for

the point them to the Yeah.

And then just basically sending the link, oh, go to this go to minute 15 of this episode. We talk about that in-depth or, oh, here's this blog article, or who's this white paper salrow, or here's this free guide that we have. Like, we we have so much content now that it's you literally can find anything related to health, fitness, nutrition, training, hormones, peptides. I mean, you name it we've probably already talked about.

Do you guys know that our who who runs our social media uses it to answer questions in the DM?

Have you

seen some questions? Yeah.

I've seen some, like, real specific, like, charts and answers. I'm, like, oh, that was a good 1.

Every once in a while, I'll go in the DMs to see if I can answer questions. Right? Every once in a while. And recently, I went in there and the the there was I don't remember what the question was, but it was answered so well. And I'm, like,

And this probably read the same thing.

The person who runs our our social media knows fitness. Okay? But there but this question was answered like I had spent an hour, like, breaking it down.

It was a deep medical question that was asked. Chokie is 1 who runs it, and Chokie does have her bachelor's already in in Kinesse. Our field. But, again, it picks up all of our content. So it picked up doctor Arlo's episode who's a doctor that that specialize That's

like what he said on the episode.

So it literally gave an answer.

And I've seen other ones now where I'm like, oh, she's using our thing to to answer questions.

Yeah. I

told her

I told her I didn't sell her out and tell her tell you that you she was using that, but

Oh, I knew I could read you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who wrote this?

But I've I've been trying

to share with all the employees to do that. I mean, it's just it's incredible how accurate it is. And and it will only get better as more people use it as we continue to compile more content and add to it. But so far so good. Yeah.

I wanna ask you guys a question. Have you have you any of you guys ever been tested for ADD? Have you?

No. Tested? No.

Never been tested? You guys never suspected you

all have it. No. It's not me. There's no way we don't.

So I was so I I'm the only 1 I got, I guess, in this room that's been tested, right, as an adult Yeah. I remember I I ached the test. I got a perfect score. But anyway, I was reading about it last night. So, you know, to difficult to put someone with ADD.

I either it's like an on and off switch. I mean, they're way too interested in something or I'm not interested at all. If I manage this at all, it's very hard to get me to even pay attention. If I'm very interested, it's hard to take me away. I become hyper focused.

And this is a trait. Right? So I just went down as kick on ADD because I read this article, check this out. Out of the total out of the the total population, roughly 5 percent of people have ADD or what's called neurodiversion. Okay?

Neurodiversion?

That's all.

Okay. K. Yeah. So 5 percent. Now neurodiversions is there's ADD in there.

There's autism. These are all these different ways dyslexia believes in there as well. But ADD It's 5 percent of the total population. What percentage of entrepreneurs?

I think

it's 95.

No. Not that

high. Oh, that high. I would say

69. Almost 30 percent. I mean, that was still that you're looking at 6 times more likely or 6 times more people. If you have ADD, you're 100 percent more likely to start a business. So twice as likely to start a new business.

So I was I stumble upon this woman who is going on the speaking tour, and she's basically speaking out against trying to squash this out of kids. So she says, look. Yeah. What we're trying to do is we're trying to force the kid to fit the environment when what we should do is we should change the environment to fit the kid. And so she says, with ADD, she says, this is this is a natural evolutionary trade.

There's a gene in particular called the DRD4 gene. And this helps with it encourages novelty seeking. It helps with fast moving and changing environments. This is all entrepreneurship. Right?

So she says, people with ADD, what were needed to think of different things, to hyperfocus on certain things, to seek out novelty and risk And so immigrants tend to have higher amounts. Entrepreneurs tend to have higher amounts. I thought about this country and the high rate of immigrants and entrepreneurs. It's like we've kind of filtered more of these people in here to who have breeding

ground for innovation.

Yes. Yeah. Pretty pretty crazy.

Yeah. I also I think it explains the the habit that I used to have, which is, like, I would I would love the, like, the the process of building a business

This is what they talked about.

I love so much. And then you you do it, and then you bored.

Yes. And

then I would like then I was over it. It was like I once

I was the Achilles heel.

Yeah. Once I proved that could do it and I was successful at it. I was already bored with it and I wanted You

know, this is the first business I've ever done. We haven't been bored. Yeah.

Because there's so many things that we can keep or

That's why If you really think about it, I mean, if you were to

It's constantly challenging.

Well, I mean, when I think back to all the small businesses that I built or had success with. And if you were to say that's a business, but in itself, and then you were to look at this 1, there's, like, 9 of those within this.

Yeah. You

know? So that so And

every year, there's, like, a new Yeah.

And then every year, we add a add out a new leg or a new layer to it. So it's it's always giving you that sense of starting a new business. I feel like even when we're not, it's all underneath this 1. So It

just it just, you know, I wish well, I'm glad. I'm glad it wasn't super popular when we were kids to treat and and thankfully, I found on my passion soon, so I went in that direction. Because I would've struggled. I'll tell you what, man. I got away with with with my type of ADD for a long time because also have a really good memory for certain things, so I could kinda get away.

But but when it came to the point where, you know, as you progressed in school, you need to be more organized. Mhmm. And and you have to learn concepts based on older concepts and you have to be able to organize how you study. When that sort of happened, I started to kind of struggle with subjects that I wasn't interested in, Had I not found fitness and got into the gym? Because I started doing that out of high school.

I would've been it would've been so tough for me to to continue with traditional education and college. I mean, it would have been really hard.

It's an interesting thought because, like, I do wonder a lot of times if, like, they had some kind of different schooling for me available because I know that this is such a good fit for me, like entrepreneurship. It's a great fit. But in terms of me, actually, like, grinding my way through that discipline of having to be organized, having to be on time, having to, you know, complete task and do things, like, methodically and and and approach it like that. Like, I wouldn't have worked on that. You know, I've been like, oh, fuck that.

Yeah.

You know, like, let somebody else do that. But having that Skye had needed that skill to then actually create an environment for me to enjoy, you know, the the the true talent that I think that I possess.

Yeah. There can't be it can't be all bad. To have to learn to to fit in this this, you know, the way this education system, right, that we've we've decided to to run. Right? Like, there's gotta be some value in that you've had to learn even though it's not your personality and your what you would grab Well,

I guarantee all of us develop skills to be able to to to deal with it. Know I did. Yeah. You know what I you know what I I'll give you an example.

Yeah. I found a lot of cheats around things.

Well, I'll give you an example. Like for me, I put certain objects, the only in certain places in the house. And here at work, you'll notice I always put certain things in the exact same place. Why? Because as a kid, I would lose shit.

Mhmm. And so I developed this I developed this behavior where my keys only go here or here.

Mhmm.

I'll never put them it down anywhere else or my wallet only goes here here or my, you know, whatever goes only here here. Otherwise, I'll lose it. Or as a manager, as a general manager of a gym, if I got, like, a paper that I had to sign or read over, I did it right then and there. Because I knew that I put it down, gone. It seems like I was responding

to somebody or addressing a problem. I have to do it right then. Yes. I would write then. Or, like, you know, setting my day up, I have to have my clothes there.

Looking at me. Ready to go. I don't wanna look for it at all. Yeah. Like, it it just fucks me up.

Do you know what? You you remember when we had Chalene Johnson on here, and when we brought up the she brought up that 1 of her first tips for somebody before they start to lose weight. So with that is to, like, declutter their house. I was watching the John Deloney -- Mhmm.

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a speech that I didn't get a chance to see it when we were

at

Ramsey, and it was really good. And, you know, he had a part in there that I thought was really And I think I forget who he it was, like, some was it in a monk? It was some some minimalist guy that that told him that, you know, every every materialistic thing that we have is communicating to

us -- Yeah.

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at all times. Wow. And so he made the comment of, like, when you when you and then he like, And he kinda told him, like, when he first heard it was, like, oh, whatever. That's bullshit or whatever. And then he gives us great example of, like, walking through his house and walking past the dishes, dishes are full of sync and him going like, oh my god.

Yep. I should do that. I'll do that. And then he goes through like this this, and then he goes by his gym and his and his house and he hasn't worked out in 3 days. And it's like, It's like, man, it's so true the more things that you you have in your house, especially if it starts to clutter up and it's you can see it at all times.

That even it like, it's not literally talking to you, but it's like it it is mentally distracting you and taking energy away from other things that you could potentially focus on in such a cool and and and Shelley Johnson was actually the first person that I've ever fitness person that I ever heard give that as it as a as a I think it's really smart.

Smart.

Yeah. It's a really and I and when I think back to my personally that that has to have to have my house in order if I'm gonna go do, like, my workout. There's stuff that I have. That has to be first for me to feel like I'm gonna go do something addition that because if I go do that and that's still out of order, I can't seem to be all Or are you

still gonna be hanging up?

Yeah. Totally.

You know what's interesting too is that I was reading about this is no 2 people are the same. Some people are way more over here on certain things and other things are way more over here. Like, the organization piece I have to be I I gotta be as bad as it gets. I could just I don't think there's anybody I don't think I could get me worse. And and, you know, people say, oh, you just don't try.

You don't no. No. You don't understand. Like, this is me trying for years. Like, this is me this is as good as I've as as I've been able to get with some of my organization.

But on the other side, if I get hyper focused, you won't find anybody who can digest and absorb and remember and regurgitate information like I can. So that became for me a superpower that really wasn't useful until I started a podcast. Was good for conversation. It's pretty much 35 years old. Close the machine.

Yeah. There you go. It was product. It was cool when I was trainer because I could talk to people about cool stuff. Yeah.

Sounds like a lot of random

pullback to

a magic trick before. Well, you know, the podcast is great. Right? Because they could talk about different things.

About my commercial difficult. This is a shit.

Yeah. Exactly.

You know,

I'll tell

you what it says. I love I love it. But, yeah, I went down to rabbit hole about that and It made a lot of sense. I mean, I I would think

that we all kinda have a little bit of it for sure.

Well, imagine if when you were a kid, I was thinking about this. Like, imagine if I was thinking when I was a kid, if I had a really good, like, really good teachers or, let's say, my parents homeschooled me and were super aware of this. They just weren't well, let's say, they were they would have been able to point me in directions that I wanted to go, and I would have just been a machine. Yeah. I remember specifically being in history class specifically, and it was just boring.

The teacher was crappy and whatever, and I'm just sitting there. And I picked up the textbook and I got into ancient history. And I read the whole book in 2 days. The rest of the whole year, I paid no attention, but the teacher constantly tried to get me to to to, like, pick on me to oh, he's not paying attention. Sal, so what's the answer?

Whatever. And I knew the answer. And I remember how frustrated to show him. He's like, I know you were talking to somebody. How do you know that?

Like, I read the whole fucking thing in 2 days that really got into it. An onboard. So

Well, I mean, when you think about how our education system was structured and informed and for what reason, it

wasn't for entrepreneurs? No. No.

So it's like yeah. I mean, you do a little bit of digging and and find out the history of that, and then then then make go ahead and make decision for yourself. Do you think this is ideal for most people. And who is it really serving?

You know?

You know? It's for big corporations to get a bunch of worker bees working for them. And it's like, So I guess if you just wanna fall in line and you wanna be that person and you're totally content with working the 9 to 5 and having a decent salary job and that that to you is what you want, then so be it, then okay. Then the education system's not bad. But if you aspire for something different, it's like, this is not the ideal such

think if you don't fit in, but you're curious and passionate, there is a path for

you. Mhmm.

And just find that what your passion is, what your skill is, And there's a way to to use that to your advantage.

Now what do you what do you Justin because I know you're you're planning on homeschooling. Right? Is that still the pilot.

Oh, yeah. Jessica is gonna a hundred percent, she's she's gonna handle that, and I'm very much on board with that.

So that's how you're gonna solve this. How do you how do you plan to to deal with the boys? Because they just they strike me as they're gonna have you as their personality trait, like, and they're gonna want that. Like, do you think about that right now? Like, and as they're going through regular schools, like, they're in a public school right now.

Right? So, like,

Yeah. There's different challenges between both of them. So Everett, in seeing Ethan's experience in junior high, I wasn't real impressed. So we're looking at this Nature Academy for Everett, and they offer that for junior high, which is great. So that way too, we can kind of figure out where we're gonna be with high school after that, and it's not too far away.

But he you know, his friends are still kinda close proximity, and so it's it's not like he's losing out on a lot of that. And With Ethan, it's been interesting because he just I I didn't realize this. I kinda had an an inclination, but I just thought he's been super lazy lately, and I've been on him about, like, studying very last second and then doing all these things, like, where he does he figures out that he can do makeups and then do like, so he'll just wait to do that, do everything, like and it drives me crazy. But he gets, like, ace, dude. He gets, like, it's easy for like, this stuff is too easy for him.

Like, the work is is, like, simple and, like, the workload now that the kids have is just it's embarrassing. Really? So I'm looking at other schools going into high school. So he'll be in eighth grade. And then after that, we're gonna look at maybe go and pursue a different type of high school for him.

Yeah.

And then we'll see kinda where ever it's at. And I'm really just trying to, like, make sure it's a good fit for them individually. Like

--

Yeah. -- what, you know, so pay attention to kind of their interests and, like, what strikes them is, like, you know, the sort of subjects and things that they're the most passionate about.

What's it? What's a nature's academy? What exactly is that?

So it's like a it's more kind of montessori esculate, very outside and Oh, interesting. Aesthetic. A stat yeah. Yeah. Kinesthetic learning kinda situation, which he'll he'll do so much better at.

So does that is that work in conjunction with the school? Or does that, like, a different school completely? Like, where he's not gonna go to his other school?

Yeah. It's a different school, but it's in the same District District. Yeah.

Oh, wow. That's awesome. Yeah.

So But but it's like it's you you not everybody gets into it. It's like a small group and So you have to but thankfully, we we kinda know somebody who's pulling strings for us. You're fully pulling them in. Yeah.

The piece of Yeah.

I'm gonna use a pencil remember. Is a best I'm a p lister.

It's podcast. You're the you're the bet remember, you're the best dealer.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm the best dealer. You know, like, I'll I'll yeah. I'll I'll shake him down.

Let us get it.

Okay. Exactly.

Anyway, dude, I so speaking of, like, going down rabbit holes and stuff. I don't know why I read about this, but it's really interesting. It was interesting to be for 10 minutes. Do you guys know what Markans are? You were hurt at Markans?

Markans. Yeah.

No. This was a thing. We'll pull it up because this was a thing I wanna say in the in the, like, in the like, 16 hundreds, 17 hundreds, 18 hundreds. So that's like long time ago.

Kings.

Yeah. So these were pubic wigs. Cubic wigs. Cubic hair wigs. Cubic hair wigs.

So you may be asking yourself why now, like, the prostitutes were them. That's for me. Let me let

me So they want to wear them so that their bush is sticking out more.

So they wore cubic hair wigs in in those days, we're talking, like, we're talking, like, 1516 all the way up to, like, the the 18 hundreds, they would wear it was a thing. They would wear these these pubic hair wigs. So so what's your what's your theories to why? See, oh, this does. Wow.

That guy's holding open a box with this 5 months

of free triangles

in it there.

I'm gonna I'm gonna go the evolutionary angle like you would probably go in this which is that, you know, a robust bush probably means that you are more fertile and healthy

Oh, you're close. Oh, you're close. Okay. Think about think about how dirty or stylistic. Hold on.

Think about how filthy. Yeah. People were back then in general. I think so so so

so so all the hair watches all the fucking dandere and shit, and so you're you're inside.

What about what about the crabs and all the things that live in there, man?

Okay. So so Prostitutes used to shave they used to shave all their pubic hairs to avoid getting lice and crabs from all these these men that they would

have to you switch them out.

So then you would get a napkin, which would clean you could fucking clean the shadow of it. Right? And you'd put it on.

Why don't I just rock the shave? Because that wasn't like it back then.

Yeah. That wasn't a popular thing.

That was not a popular thing back then. In fact, shaved pubic area meant you were sick. Because back in those days, the way you got rid of lice the way you got rid of lice back then is you shaved your head. Oh, wow. So if you had a shaved head and you walk around, people like, oh, you had you got I should

bring back the merch and Bring back the merch

and, dude.

And then you buy them still. Oh, you can every once in

a while, I'm in for, like, a hurricane. You know, I talked to Trina. I was

like, yeah.

I love you. We've been doing this.

I said, yeah.

Like, I love I love this. We'll stop you drove when we changed it up a little

bit earlier. How would what would you do?

Can I get a Merkin dog? Can you

I'll see.

Merkins are still used. Are they? In Hollywood. This is great. No.

In Hollywood.

What's great about this is we could do the Merkin for a week and then I can get rid of it.

No. No. No. You know why they use them in Hollywood? So the I'm gonna read about the presence of Merkins protects the actor from inadvertently performing full frontal nudity.

So some contrast specifically require nipples and genitals covered in some way. So they'll use fake pubic hair to cover Well, that

doesn't look like a Mark Mendoza. The guy, like, well, is there a

I don't know how you got looking up.

Can you can you order me 1?

Hi. You order your own, Adam.

Can you order your head? Can you can you break can

I see so I can decide you may just dial it?

Can we be jazz wait.

There you go. There's a couple right oh, you can't see that. I can't

see that. Yeah. Adam's gonna come to work tomorrow with a weird triangular toothpaste.

For a why I'm

a surprise her. Oh, shit.

This is a wizard. I don't know about that 1.

Body hair, fake, pubic hair stickers. Wow. That's Can I get

I mean, is this from real

can we get like No? No. That's all

more of a That's that's very like a like a dirty blonde look.

What?

Maybe they haven't this is actually Walmart. They sell them.

What? Yeah. Amazon. Walmart. Hold on.

Walmart is selling Body hair fake pubic hair stickers.

I do not

know these things.

Walmart sells everything. Go down deck. There was some more

--

Oh, was there?

--

when you went down. Yes.

Well, look

at the ones on eBay have

It's not scrolling. I find

that a little bit disturbing that everything coming up below her is children's toy toys. No.

Why are you in a combo?

Why are it too?

Well, it does say it does say that that that's for dull. Dolls right there.

Yeah. But, you know, they make dolls that

are Oh god. Yeah.

I don't know.

Well, yeah. Find me the best Merkin play, though.

Okay. I I'll make that my mission. My Merkin mission.

So we're looking here. Very bad. Or her birthday

is blue my mind. Right?

Hey. Someone's gonna mind and be like, is this cool here? This is just a goatee.

Cool. Okay.

So I'm I'm proud to be. You're Merkin?

Yeah. Merkin. You guys remember a long time ago, and I was talking about, like, back in medieval times, so they used to have to kind of add bells when they would, like, bury people.

Oh, just in case they were actually

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So By

the way, you know what they did? Ringer. Mhmm.

Do you

know what they found? They did that?

Because they actually buried the life.

You know how they knew that? They would move bodies a couple times open the casket and scratch marks to be inside the, like, the person's pride to get,

like, the worst so you think that we've probably evolved Right. Like, we've gotten, like, more sophisticated as a society and whatnot, like, since then.

Like, we know when someone's dead. Yeah.

Like, we know when somebody's dead. We, like, have people to confirm and all that. So I I believe it's in Ecuador. It's some South American country recently where they were having a wake for their grandma. And beforehand, she had, like, a stroke in cardiac arrest and then, like, they actually had the doctor's you know, pronounced her dead.

She got wrapped up. She was, like, in the in the coffin. And family members were there. They stood there for, like, 4 or 5 hours, and they were all, you know, you know, observing and

--

Correct.

--

grieving and and and they started to hear just like knocking noises. And just kept getting louder and louder and then the coughing started shaking. It freaked the fuck out. Right? Oh, but, like, she's still alive.

She was

wrapped all the way up too. Like, they wrapped her up and she was alive.

Oh my god.

And fighting their like, her way out to try and, like, get, you know, out of your career. Yeah. This happened, like, recently. Oh my god. That's great.

How terrifying.

How does that even happen? Right? Like, come on.

Well, if there's a disease I I know there's a disease. I don't know if this was her, but there's a disease where it that your your heart rate will slow down so much that without really paying attention or subscription

so much to nothing.

No. Not not that. Obviously, that that that you're right. Oh my god.

Pick it up.

Yeah. That's crazy. Well, so along those lines, you wanna hear what? I just I just read yesterday. So there was a guy a dad.

Talk about this is the most messed up prank of all time. So apparently, he was pissed off. I'm gonna read about it. He got pissed off because Nobody ever invited him to anything. His family, never invited him to things, his his cousins, his aunts, uncles, his kids.

So he faked his own death. So he faked his own death. And at the funeral, people are there crying, whatever. And he shows up in helicopter. And he goes, you know, this is because you guys never invited me today.

I just a video of it, dude. And people are like some people are happy. Like, oh my god. He's alive. I won't be like fuck you.

That was wrong with it.

I do.

Why don't you just say something? You bet your point, Carl.

Hey. What a what a risk? So, you know, like, that'd be so risky you do that and, like, ends up being, like, shitty Harley anybody shows up

to you. Exactly. I really like I'll send you, like,

the instructions on the yeah.

That would be the worst

as well.

Especially if you're a guy where you doesn't get invited to work, you don't get invited words, good chest that we showed up at your or your feelings.

Because you smelled Carl. You know, like, you should've just asked us. We're deodorant.

That's so crazy. Yeah. So I also read about I don't know how this came up, but you guys obviously know the term blue balls. So this is actually they think might actually be a real thing. I thought this was fake.

Please say this.

I thought dudes made this up to course, you know, girl

or whatever like that. If you don't,

you know, have sex with me. It's gonna hurt

I'm gonna be in dire straits. Yeah.

I don't like it out of here.

That's a secret.

No. Actually, they studied it and they said that it might actually be a real thing. Apparently, the blood, there's vasodilation, and if it doesn't If if it doesn't help, it's I guess, the the the yeah. Vazzle constriction constriction after finishing. But if you don't, it can cause severe pain, and they've examined this or or observed this in people.

So it's a real thing.

I don't know. Why why do you think the turn blue balls

because the vasodilation causes the the veins and capillaries to expand and it can look blue because that's this is what they're theorizing. I thought it's bull I still think it's bullshit. I think -- Yeah.

--

if the assholes are making

I sure felt that way when the girlfriend left me hanging when

I was,

you actually got blue ball. I was 8.

I mean, I don't didn't actually didn't my balls didn't turn blue. That's why I asked you where the blue thing come from. But I remember being, like, that that was painful.

Like, emotionally or physically

ill. Emotionally. Rejection.

Maybe it was so emotional that I felt you felt we've had asbestos before.

Yeah. You know, I my balls would hurt. You know what? You didn't hurt.

No. Never

necessarily have to find

this way out. Yeah.

Eventually, it gets relieved.

That's it.

Well, but, yeah, eventually, it gets relieved. Or I probably relieved myself by telling a home. But I mean, like,

that's sleeping.

So you don't you don't get back to this.

You don't you don't remember that? You don't remember having, like, a high school girlfriend and then

--

Yeah. -- and then working all the way up to that.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It's 8 times, bro.

It's it's

it's never had that. Really?

Not it hurt. Wow. My friend even married my fam. Married my 17 18. I was driving.

Yeah. You were all your help.

So I think it's going to

You weren't into the whole heavy petting. Yeah.

Yeah. I was actually dating jobs. And it was heavy. Try to help me.

28. Try to help me.

You're 28. We lost a a lot of blue blonder. This is You

got a lot

of people.

Yeah. That's why dude.

There's only so many

hugs. Yeah.

I could take it.

That hurts.

That's her that's her

thing hugs Anyway

So it's Adam, you I I saw you earlier talking about Netflix. Are they

Oh, so they can Are they

in they're doing the thing. So, yeah,

I brought that I brought it up originally, like, 2 or 3 months ago, and it's in full full swing now. So They're

cracking down on people sharing their past Yeah.

I was taught Andrew and I were talking before the podcast and, you know, he's he's actually busted. He was he was stealing Netflix.

No. But Maybe

maybe you guys haven't seen it yet, but they're they've cracked down if you're sharing passwords.

Did you know the revenue went up?

Bro. That's why I brought up. It's like crazy about it.

People thought it would crush them.

They had like back to back, like, record month. Is that right, Andrew? It was, like, back to back, record months?

The number I saw is they increase their subscribers by a hundred and 5 percent.

Wow. Whoa. Yeah. Alright. So we need to crack down on pretty much Moocers People share maps programming.

Well, you know what I thought about? I mean, that so interesting strategy. Right? Mhmm. Allowing it allowing people to to use it, share it, get them used to all the grades.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Get them kind of addictive. And then go up. And then you go, okay. We're gonna piss off a small percentage of people, they'd be like, oh, fuck Netflix.

I've never used it again because now I can't share it.

But you're more

than 30 day travel. Yeah.

Yeah. But more people will be like, man, I don't I've I don't wanna go without it now. I've got

stuff way in the season of

whatever Yeah. I've gotten so used to having it for so long and you just, you know, buy the bowl and No more sports drinks.

You gotta

think though it's the moutures that are getting cut off. So they had never paid any money anyway.

Right.

So now it's just like, okay, what? I guess I have to pay the money now.

Yeah. So a a good percentage of the moutures are gonna go Yeah. We're gonna have Now

what I wanna what what I don't understand is gonna happen, which is so what happens to people like us who have multiple properties

--

Right.

And

It's always the same same No.

No. It's it's a it's attached to an IV address. Oh. So, like, if you and and so it's more your WiFi. So if this so it'll it'll be attached to that So it's like because like, Andrew's sharing your dads.

Right?

Yeah. So there's an option, basically, just say that you're traveling. And then if it's your accounts, let's say go to a different location. You have your Netflix account, but it's not your original home. You just put through your travel aid and get a verification code in your end.

Oh, okay. Okay. But then you can't use them both simultaneously, probably. I haven't tried that.

So so what it'll do? Okay. That makes sense. So what it'll do is it'll shoot so if it's mine, I'm up in trucking. I log into my Netflix there, it's gonna prompt and go right to my cell phone.

Yeah.

But if I was using Justin's Disney or Jut or it's not Disney, Justin's Netflix, up there at the truckie house, it would code him, and then I wouldn't he wouldn't be and then he wouldn't verify it, like, ahead of time. So that's how they're gonna that's how they okay. That makes sense. That's how crackdown on it. Wow.

Yeah.

And the revenue went up. Everybody thought that would go down. Yeah. Just like

Interesting. You

know what's interesting? It's something similar with Twitter. Right? Elon said you're gonna you're gonna pay for a verification or whatever. I was like, oh my god, it's gonna kill Twitter.

I'm gonna

crush the revenues.

How how is Instagram? Have they boost the revenue because they just start rolling out the whole blue checks are everywhere now.

You know, like

It went up it

went up a lot too, actually.

People 4000 that was

a while back. I should have bring that up.

It went up.

Yeah. Instagram

had 2 of them. I mean, of course, Twitter was the 1 that kinda sat in the stage.

Maybe maybe Doggrams, you can find out when when Instagram rolled out their Blue blue check, what did it instantly boost revenue? Like, it was, you know I don't want it wasn't a billion. It was, like, millions of dollars. Yeah. I don't know if

it was like they felt they did that.

I thought I was gonna feel

Yeah. 660000006 almost by selling 44000000.

Pro. In yeah. A half a billion dollar over a half a billion dollars

was doing nothing but like that. Wow.

Those 44000000 blue checks were all sold in 1 day.

Wow. Wow. That's insane.

606 hundred 60000020

What what

a fun day. Just blank.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got things. Right?

Coming up. Because blue check's on your face. Yeah.

Try it with our listeners. We'll verify you that you're a mine pump listener for 4 99 right now.

Yeah. Yeah. Just verify a pump head.

Over over night, frigging 600000000 dollars.

That's insane.

That's nice, man.

So you think okay. So we actually haven't talked about this in a long time with you guys is, you know, we we used to debate, like, a year or 2 ago about, like, the streaming wars, like, who's gonna win? Where's it where's it at? Maybe Andrew can pull up who's leading the way right now. I I think HB0.

Max Apple keeps putting out in incredible content. I think Netflix sucks. I really do. I know that's like it's like the junk food of of streaming service.

No. They haven't had any good good, like, real quality shows a long time.

Like, it's

Every once in a while, like, a decent like, the the Arnold thing was cool. Yeah.

Yeah. It was a cool dock.

But they they I haven't seen, like, an original that was, like, a Netflix original that was, like, oh, that's a really good show. That's like, not like the level of, like, what I

think was catching up. They've been putting a lot of money and effort into their programming for sure. So

This is Yeah. You know what? I can't I wonder if at some point there's gonna be an app that connects to all those streaming services you own. Mhmm. And then it just shows you the shows and then you depending it doesn't matter

So we know that Apple does that. Right? So Apple when you when you have Apple TV, I can see my Showtime, my HBO, my Disney, my Hulu, all through the Netflix? Through Apple. Not Netflix.

Oh, okay.

They're not connected at all with with Netflix. Right? I don't think my Netflix I can see through there. But, like, you know, so I can be on my Apple TV dashboard, and it'll put my popular shows and with that, and it'll be on all those different stream platforms. Do you do you have Apple TV?

I do.

You have Apple TV?

Yeah. Yeah. So you know, do you you don't have Apple TV?

How come?

I don't know.

Dude, if if Disney didn't have Mandalorian, I'd be out. Like, that's the 1 thing keeping me there. Yeah. Like, I haven't seen a really good show from them either, which is weird because you know, there's everything. They buy all every franchise.

Do you know what show I watched? It didn't Katrina and I watched this to sit at night. We're in the movie. It's, like, her and I 1 of our favorite ones, miracle on ice. Like, what happens though?

What happened to Disney promote like, doing, like, good old movies like that. That was -- That

was good.

--

such a good story. That's

a true story. That's

why you're

so Yeah.

So crazy.

I know. Like, it's not like there's not a bunch of great stories like that. It's like they should tell more stories like that. That was a great great it's probably 1 of my favorite

I am excited, though, about the since the Jonathan pageos He's retelling fairy tales. Yeah. And so he's putting a lot of effort into old stores like no rocks no white because I know we kind of talked about this before, but

They're they're all gonna be books. Really, really nice looking, like, 4

or, like, straight up,

like, tangible?

Or did you email lead? 4, like, male lead, you know, fable For

kids and their parents.

Fairy tales. Mhmm.

Yeah. I can't wait to take to to

I'm totally gonna get to -- Yeah.

--

a hundred percent.

Hey, I was reading about the science around terpenes yesterday. And I did not know how far the science has gone. It's gotten pretty far. You guys know what terpenes are? It's basically

the little for the oils that are on. Right? The plant that's on the

So hemp and marijuana. Right? They have It gives

it its different flavors

and Yeah.

So cannabinoids, which are like CBD, THC, CBC, CBN, like these are all cannabinoids. But then there's the terpenes and the terpenes give it, like, its different smells. Mhmm. Like, limousine limousine, I think is 1 of a murine is another 1, pith pineal, I think is another 1. So that's why some plants smell different than others.

Well, they didn't think, you know, for a long time, they didn't realize that terpenes had effects on you. So, you know, and speaking of cannabis, 1 strain is gonna make you feel energized and the ones who make you feel sleepy and relaxed. They thought it was the cannabinoids.

Right.

But what used to fly in the face of that was, well, the cannabinoid profile is very similar between this 1 and this 1.

Mhmm.

But why is this 1 knock me out? Yeah. And this 1 make me hyper? The terpenes. So 2 terpenes in particular, I was reading about lima limine provides antidepressant effects and they say it brightens the effects of the cannabinoids.

Nursing provides calming and sedative effects. This is the couch lock phenomena or relaxing type phenomenon. Okay? So where am I going with this? This is part of the entourage effect that you get when you consume full plant versus going with, like, let's say you just you see oh, I really studies studies on CBD.

It's good for inflammation. It does this that and the other. And then you go work with a company like Ned who we work with that doesn't just use CBD. They don't take an extract of a cannabinoid from the plant and take everything out. They take the whole plant.

Mhmm.

They'll breed a plant for a particular profile, but they'll take the whole plant put in oil or capsule or product. And that's why even if it has the same CBD content as a CBD product, that's real because a lot of them aren't you just feel way better. What's going on? It's the entourage effect that you get from Ned. This is why the hemp oil from Ned so many people who send us DMs are like, I've used CBD for so long.

I went with Ned. Wow. What a difference? What's going on? Like, it's not the CBD.

It's all the other stuff and how they work together. To provide

So Ned was what obviously, way ahead on this. And we knew that we we knew that when we started working with him, and we had a chance to talk to him before we even partnered up. Do you see the market shifting because there was this quick rush to -- Totally.

--

you know, extracting, you know, and isolating CBD and marketing that. And do you see these companies pivoting and starting to now offer a full spectrum version?

Yeah. You you so it's all it's in the marijuana space. You see this already. Where you can buy now products, like edibles and stuff that will have specific terpenes in them. Or combinations of cannabinoid.

There's no longer just THC. Right? It'll have other stuff. The commercial market for CBD is starting to follow. So you're starting to see now products that are promoting this entourage effect.

It's more expensive. It's more expensive to do this. It's it's it's it's takes more it's better processing. But because the market is so competitive, like any competitive market, the better ones start to rise and the crappy stuff starts to fall off.

Well, they definitely need to go in and kinda help provide materials and educate these bud tenders. Well, talk to them about your feet.

Like

Oh, you start on. I love oh, it's actually 1 of my favorite things to do sometimes just because it's just fun to hear them kinda work their way through kind of describing and and which what are the characteristics are and how they're different. And, like, But yeah. So, again, I I remember I think we're working with it was doses back in the day.

Hey. I was in a briefing.

You know, they were They were on top of the

on the on the terpenes Yes. They were the first people that I knew out that outside of our circle. Some of that that was that

was We're really the only sense, Obias. There's in the marijuana space.

Yeah. So so Ned knows us very well. They'll have like the brain blend. They'll have a stress blend. They'll have their general hemp oil.

And if you and this is how they develop it. First off, they also use other botanicals. So they don't just use the hemp plant that they'll have a specific breed for, let's say, energizing you for creativity like the brain blend or a profile for relaxing the body, anti inflammatory effects, like, for the anti stress blend. They'll also combine them with well known botanicals like Ashuganda, Valerian Root, or other compounds that will either, you know, that help complement what's going on. So and this is why I like working with them.

They know their stuff.

Yeah. You do.

Speaking of stuff, I wanna ask you, Adam. Yeah. I got a DM yesterday or I read a DM the other day from someone who's been eating creatures of habit and said it is a bulking hack. Because it comes in a packet, it's super easy to to to mix up 30 grams of protein. This this kid is a young kid trying to gain muscle.

Sent or d send it to him and said, hey, is it okay if I eat like 3 packets a day? I'm like, well, yeah. I'm like, well, what are you doing? And he goes, All I do is add it to breakfast lunch and nurse. He eats the same meals.

He just throws a packet on. Oh, yeah. And because it doesn't blow them and it's easy to digest and it's all, you know, it's everything you need. It's really, you know, easy. It's written.

I wanna ask you because when you were competing, this was a staple for you.

3 years. 3 years, every single morning, the first thing I ate was oatmeal. Obviously, the

protein Yeah.

I made my own concoction. In fact, the the new flavor that's coming with creatures to have it is 1 of my favorite most popular concoctions that I used to make. But what I had found and this was just, like, purely from trial and error, like, doing different trying different things is I could get up 1 to your point. It was easy. It was really easy I just I would I come from the, you know, camp of people that have a really hard time eating really big breakfast, and I was never a big breakfast eater.

I was always like, lunch and dinner or the meals later on. I could eat big big meals and I couldn't get a big 700, a thousand calorie breakfast ever in. And so what the oatmeal did is I I would eat it first thing when I first wake up, and it would it would go down easy. So it was really easy for me crush like a creature's a habit sized bowl of oatmeal is I would find that an hour to 2 hours later, I was ready to eat again.

Yeah.

And so I could now have this 3 to 400 calorie bowl of high protein oatmeal. And then 2 hours later, now I was ready to eat again, then I could have steak and egg and, you know, potatoes type of you know, now it's like 10 in the morning. I've already got 12, 1500 calories down 80 90 plus grams of protein already done for my day. It just became it became a staple. It was like I literally learn that I that was what I had to do if I was gonna stay consistent with hitting my protein intake and being able to hit the calories I needed to hit on a daily basis.

That's awesome. Alright. So who's a shout out today? When do you guys oh, you mean somebody?

Yeah. So earlier in the beginning of the show, we're kinda talking about to function flexibility and, like, you know, mobility and whatnot. And so I was we haven't mentioned him yet. He's, like, 1 of the the leaders in in this the especially in the strength coaching kind of sport specific world, Eric Cressi's.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Just just a phenomenal content baseball team. Right? His baseball team? His main sport, he works with all athletes, but mainly baseball.

But just real quality stuff. So I think I believe it's Eric or is it Cresi sport Cresi sports performance. That's Yeah.

So CRESSEY.

Yeah. So he is remind me, you know, because Cresi was 1 of the o g's that I remember. I remember Cresi, DiFranco.

Boyle. Boyle is another 1. Yeah.

And who else in the in the sports performance world?

You know?

Mean, those are those are the main ones.

Right. So when we were early traders

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Yeah. -- excuse me, in our early twenties, those guys were the ones that were were really on the cutting edge science of sports performance

and sports and sports and physical fitness.

He was like But

he was he kinda crossed over a little bit with the with the functional with with with the screening tests he did. But, yeah, those are the main kind of sports performance guys.

He's still putting out great content.

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Our first caller is Hildy from Ohio. Hi, Hildy.

How can we help you?

Hello? Hi. So I'm 54, 5 foot 11 with a larger build, perimeter and a puzzle. And I currently weigh a hundred 96 pounds, and I'm trying to figure out what is the right calorie count for my activity level. I started working out a little bit later in life around 47, and I I trained twice a week with a trainer I do circuit training on my own 1 day a week.

I run 3 to 4 days a week averaging 12 to 15 miles. And I walk or I do the look to call alongside the the 2 days that I trained virtually. I was on and off weight watchers for the last 2 decades, I finally quit last year after realizing that it was just becoming too obsessive on my part with the scale and seeing my weight go down and then go back up. And currently, I track my meals on my plate. And I do have fibromystcular dysplasia, which kind of restricts me with weight work, but I still am fine with with working out with the TRx and with weights.

And I've tried everything from calorie cuts 24 hour fast angulating my diet, bringing up the calories, bringing the back down, all with the goal of building up my metabolism, getting stronger, leaner, and the issue is really just finding the right calorie count for what I'm doing.

Okay. Hildi, where where do you get your information on on on building your metabolism. What have you done to try to build your metabolism?

So I'm working with a trainer who I've been with for 8 years. And he's a big fan of your show also.

Oh, good. Okay. So maybe he'll listen to this. Have her stop running so much and doing circuit training. Yeah.

If you listen to my show, you know that that's the wrong thing to do. So -- Oh.

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the the the workouts that you're doing where you're running 12 to 15 miles a week, the circuit training is counter to what you're trying to do with boosting metabolism. It's counter. That type of activity gets the metabolism to adapt in the other direction. Now they're calorie burners, but that calorie burn very quickly your body adapts and it no longer does anything for you. Now it doesn't mean it's unhealthy for you.

It's probably healthy. In fact, I would say it might even be unhealthy at this point. You said you're a Peri Monopausal. You're probably doing too much. You're probably doing too much stuff and your body is just holding on to stuff,

especially if you're in a calorie restricted diet too. So if you're restricting circuit training, running, and that I mean, that's just yeah. It's it's not surprising at all that we we're stalling as far as our progress right now.

You by the way, you are representative of, like, 60 percent of the clients that we trained. Yep. Okay. So we have a lot of experience with what you're talking about. So let's start with the workout, then we'll get to the nutrition, and then we'll get to the the the root of all of this.

Okay? So the workout should be completely focused on building strength. And I want you to train in a way to build as much muscle as possible. Now if that makes you worry. Like, I don't wanna get real big muscles.

Don't worry about it. Okay. Good. You won't. But but that's what's gonna move the metabolism.

In the right direction. It's also going to by the way, the metabolism boost is a side effect of what's happening. Which is the muscle building, which is also a side effect of something else that's happening, your hormones are gonna organize themselves in a way to build muscle. So you talk about being parimenopausal, 1 of the best things you could do to get those hormones to regulate in a better way is to create the environment and send the stimulus for your body to build muscle. Because in order for your body to build muscle, you need what's called an anabolic hormone profile.

Okay? So what does that look like? It's a it's a inappropriate testosterone level in women. Testosterone is is important in women just like it is in men. It's just a different level.

It's a balance of estrogen or progesterone and that balance looks different when you're post when you're menopausal versus pre pre, but it doesn't matter. There's still a balance that's ideal for building muscle, so it'll move towards that. You get more insulin sensitive, and your growth hormone hormone levels start to rise. Okay? So I would train you in a way to build strength and muscle.

That will be the primary focus. Then as far as just being active,

let's talk about that for a second. Let's go a little bit deeper as far as the what the straight training looks like because a lot of people just assume because they pick up dumbbells or weights that they are

It is yeah. It is not. You are training like a strength athlete or like a body builder. And I don't mean in terms of the intensity necessarily and all that stuff, but you're doing a set and you're resting for 2 minutes.

Adequate rest.

And then you're doing a set and then you're resting It's gonna

be really uncomfortable for you if you haven't done that before.

Yeah.

Something that you have to kinda work your way through mental.

Yeah. Short rest periods or no rest periods is just cardio with weights. So even though you're using weights, it's really not that different in terms of the stimulus that it's sending to the body. We have to do a set where you do 8, let's say, 8 reps or 12 reps with a good amount of intensity trying to work on strength. Then you put the weight down and you rest for 2 minutes.

And then you repeat it. So you're doing sets of exercises. Basic, you're doing strength strength. You're doing it in a way. You're using weights in a way to build muscle and strength.

If you don't have a program of ours, I'll make sure to send you 1. That's appropriate. And then you could just I

don't, but I love it. You know? Yeah.

Okay. Perfect. I'll send you 1 that'll be just you you could follow the format and you could have a trainer modify it. Since they've been working with you for so long, there may be exercises that are more appropriate than some of the ones that we have listed. So that's that that's number 1.

As far as being active, I would eliminate the running. Do you like the run do you love running? Is it like your favorite thing to do or you just do it?

I do. I've had, like, a a love I would say, hate relationship over the years. I was definitely faster in doing more when I started out, and I done 5 half marathons. I've done a lot of 10 k's, 5 k's these days. I'm doing between 3 and 4 miles at a time.

What what do you hate about it when you say love the

trail running?

You you what do you hate about it? The trail running? Is that what you said?

No. No. No. No. I love I love trail running.

No. I would say I hate it, but there's times when I would see I think I would lose my emotional and I'd wake up in the morning and say, oh, I gotta go out and do this.

Okay.

So I go through these periods of times. Right now, I'm in an uptake where I I am excited to do it. And I plan ahead. I you know, I put my clothes out the night before. I have an idea of where I'm gonna go.

So I have a better attitude. But if you told me that it's getting in the way of things, then

I'd prefer you walk. Yeah.

Or or let me ask you this. What are

you for right now?

You said you liked trail running? Let me guess. Mhmm. What you like about the trail running is that you're outside and you're out in nature. Okay.

Can you hike?

And I'm away from everything.

Yeah. Can you hike or walk instead?

I could.

Okay. Yeah. I'd rather you do that. Mhmm. Yep.

That is not gonna be nearly as detrimental. So so I would walk or hike, not for the same distance, for the same time. So however long you run, turn it into a walk.

Okay. Okay.

So that's the same time. So how long are you running for typically?

I average somewhere between, like, a 10 and a 10:45 minute mile. So if I'm doing 4, miles and it's 45 minutes maybe.

Oh, okay. Go do a 45 minute walk or hike instead. Yep. That just switch to that right now. Focus on strength training.

We'll send you that. We'll send you a good program for that. And then as far as diet is concerned, I wouldn't worry about calories at all right now. Here's what I would do. Approach Yes.

What what's your target body weight? What would be like a good healthy body weight for you?

I would say 1 75 to 1 80.

Okay.

I just haven't been there in a really long time. I've just seen it climb up between the medicine I've been on and just hormonal, I'm sure

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and the strain I have put on muscle over time. So

I I would aim for a hundred and 70 grams of protein a day -- Mhmm.

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all from Whole Food. So that looks like 03:50 gram of protein meals breakfast lunch and dinner and then a 20 gram of protein meal in between there. Okay? Now And I would that's the goal. That is the focus.

Eat that first. Then the rest, just make it whole natural foods. Now here's what's gonna happen. It's gonna be really hard to eat that much protein from whole foods. You're gonna find your satiety's gonna kick in real hard.

It's gonna be like, oh my god, I can't eat this because protein is very satiety inducing, and your calories are naturally gonna fall where they should if you avoid heavily processed foods. So if it's all whole natural foods, and you start with the protein, so you eat breakfast. You're like, okay, I need to have 50 grams of protein. So whatever that looks like, it's probably gonna be something like 4 eggs plus some chicken or something else in there. And you're like, okay.

You're gonna eat this and then eat that. And you're like, okay. I think I'm still hungry. I'll have a little bit of fruit. Or you're probably gonna be like, I don't want anymore.

I'm really full. Then wait till lunch and then prioritize the protein and do that again. Your calories will naturally fall where they need to. The protein is gonna fuel the muscle and the metabolism. And then from there, you're gonna start to see the body compositions start to change.

So so that's that's that's where I'll have you go. And it's better than what you did before with Weight Watchers or anything else because I'm not telling you to take anything out. I'm not telling you to cut anything. I'm not necessarily telling you to hit targets except for protein. And if anything, you're it's gonna change from feeling like you're restricting, like you did when you were cutting calories, to what's probably gonna feel like is your stuffing yourself because protein is so so satiety inducing, like hitting a hundred and 70 grams of protein every single day, I'll be surprised if you're able to do it without adding protein shakes.

From whole natural foods, you're gonna be like, oh my gosh, this is just I don't know if I can eat this. That's how it's gonna feel. But your calories are gonna fall in an appropriate into an appropriate place.

And what to expect is actually you'll probably feel and see physical change and strength before you see scale weight go down. So don't get hung up on, let's say, you're listening to what we're saying, and you're being very consistent with it for a month and you're like, damn it. The scale hasn't moved. Don't get hung up on that. Focus more on how you, like, look.

So you can look at yourself and go if and then what I suggest normally when I took put somebody on a program like this ago, get getting a bathing suit take a picture yourself front side back where you're at at first thing in the morning, say Friday or Monday morning, and then 4 weeks later, same thing again. First thing in the morning, Friday or Monday, whatever day you do it. And and and and be honest with yourself, like, do I look and feel better than what I'd hit here and there? And I promise you will see a difference from from those 2 points. That will happen faster than the scale starting to drop because we gotta build the metabolism, we gotta build muscle.

There's a good chance that we'll see a nice even exchange of building muscle while while losing body fat, which will change your body. It will feel tighter. It will look better. But the scale may kind of stay the same initially before you start to really see the weight drop.

What kind of access to exercise equipment do you have? Do you have a gym or do you work out

Oh, I put a whole gym in my basement. I figured out when my kids left the house. I so I've got a TRX saying you for my ceiling. I've got a bench, I've got different sizes of kettlebells, different weights going starting from 5 pounds to 30, But my weight limit is 30 right now

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Okay.

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because of the F and D. I've got a BOSU trainer resistance bands.

So you have dumbbells? You have dumbbells right

now? I I have dumbbells pretty much every size up to 30 pounds.

Okay. Then then Maps andabolic is the program I'm gonna have you do. And I want you to start in pre phase and and go ahead and do the 3 day a week version. There's a 2 day a week and a 3 day a week version. Do the 3 day a week version because you've been working out, so you've got some fitness.

Do the dumbbell at home version. So there's a modifier modification in there where it's just dumbbells. Okay. Otherwise, it it uses barbells. It doesn't sound like, yeah, barbells will follow the 1 that's dumbbells.

Do no other strength training. No circuit training. No nothing else. Just follow the maps andabolic program. As it's laid out, and your trainer can look at it and modify it if they need to.

But if they try to cut your rest periods,

don't do that.

They try to combine exercises and do whatever then then make sure you have him listen to this episode

or give him give us our phone number. We'll call him.

Yeah. We'll put him on the show. Call his ass.

Yeah. Because you got we have to put you in the direction of building. That's what's gonna move things in the right direction. Otherwise, what's gonna happen, Hildis, you're gonna keep you're gonna stay on this hamster wheel that you're on right now. Where you gain lose weight gain lose weight gain.

By the way, every time you do that, it probably feels like it's harder to to move in the right direction. So we're we're gonna move things in the right direction, but gonna be through strength and muscle. Howard Bauchner:

So, normally, I I've been doing the thing on Sunday that he created for me and I worked out with him on Tuesday and Thursdays. So should those days now be switched to following your program?

Yes. Yes. Mean, hopefully, he's if he's a fan of the show, he'll hopefully be okay with following

Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. So, yeah. So hopefully, you can bring to him the next time you see him say, hey, The guys wanted me to do maps andabolic. They said pre phase 3 days a week. Would you take me through these movements?

And then there's tremendous value having him train platform. Are you training with him in the gym, or is he coming to your house?

No. We actually do it virtually.

Oh, he watches you once we work out.

Got you. Okay. Got you. Okay. Yeah.

But he does

a full body. We you know, sometimes we we focus a little more on upper body and core, but we do get the whole body in.

Yeah. Sure.

So like, Thursday's more legs. Today, we did more upper body core.

Yeah. But I'm I'm gonna guess. It's a lot it's a lot it's more like circuit and faster. Yeah. Yeah.

So that so that is gonna be the I I can picture it right now too. It's like so the most awkward or difficult thing is that you guys should have these 2 to 3 minute breaks on Zoom. You know, he's gonna be you're gonna done an exercise and then you're gonna sit there and not do shit for 3 minutes, like just

Oh, yeah.

So be prepared for that, you know.

He talks to me well, like, he usually gives me a 60 second break sometimes. Now I need depending on how long the circle was. So we we chatted between, I I have a chance to get a hold of myself. But

Yeah.

So it's 3 days a week of doing the strength we're Yes.

Yes. And then and then and then just just just stay active and so maintain you can maintain those days you run, but turn them into walks or hikes.

And you

and then you're you'll be set. And then hit the protein targets, like I said, and prioritize that. And the calories are gonna fall where they need to.

Great.

Okay?

Thank you so much.

No problem. We'll send you that program. And then, of course, you can give your trainer access because so he can look at it. So you go ahead and share your password. We don't let anybody else do that.

I was

just gonna ask you in terms of I know the protein is the the emphasis, but carbs. Is there anything I should focus more on versus I I know it's a natural foods, but

That's it for now.

So, like, fruit

No. That's it for now.

You could have rice. You could even have pa if if your body handles pasta

or digest well.

Yeah. Whatever whatever

is to avoid heavily processed foods. So I don't I needs anything that comes out of a wrapper or a box just because those foods are engineered to make you over eat. And so -- Okay.

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you know, and this is the thing he'll be that is when you eat in the way that we're kinda talking or starting, your your calories will end up where they need to. So you're not gonna have to sit there and, like, count and focus and what's going on and hear whatever. When you throw heavily processed foods in, those foods are so carefully designed and engineered to make you over eat that your calories are gonna fall much higher. It just doesn't matter. It's just gonna happen.

So that's all you gotta do. So afterwards, you're like, alright, what do I want for carbs? Oh, that's whole natural. Okay. Well, it could be rice.

Could be oatmeal, could be fruit, it could be anything in a whole natural

I'll give you my favorites. My favorites of my clients are sweet potatoes, yams, kinwa, rice, all fruits, and and vegetables. That's the that's the go to right there. Rotate through all that, and And again, like Sal said, hit your protein first, and then -- Right. -- in indulge and

the other.

And you'll see it'll probably naturally just kinda level your calories where you need to be.

Okay. Alright. Great. Thank you.

You got it. Thanks for holding in.

Thanks a lot.

Well, that that when you hear someone like, does it flash back? Like, that's every client that I train? For years, you know, same struggle, same thing.

Yeah.

And been through a lot of those, like, programs as weight loss kind of programs, and then having to kind of you know, condition them. Look, we do have to rest. We gotta build strength, and that's, you know, a long conversation that you listen to.

Plus, our generation and her generation. She's she's a little older. We were taught that the way that you work out to get lean is you need to constantly be moving You constantly need to be sweating

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Yeah.

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and fat is bad. And watch your calories. And, oh, you wanna lose weight. Go run. Or you're gonna lift weights.

Make sure you don't rest. That's the way you and body fat. So it gets really hard because she's gonna switch to the style of training, do what we're saying. She's like, I don't feel like I'm doing enough.

It's gonna take a minute. It's gonna that's why I wanted to put emphasis on, like, you know, it's gonna be weird. Right? Sitting on a Zoom for 3 minutes between like, she says sometimes he gives her a 6 sometimes she gets a 60 second rest. We'll wait till you to sit there for 3 minutes.

Yeah. Yeah.

And that's after every single time you do a set. Like, that's gonna be

it's a good point because, I mean, if you're a trainer and you're coaching something virtually like that and you wanna show value, you know, you don't wanna waste their time. And and so you know, I'm sure, like, that's sort of the intention, like, good intentions. But for her, she really needs that rest to be able to switch into, like, very hundred percent.

Hundred percent. You're right on with what that is. That is totally a trainer who probably knows what they're supposed to do and what's best if that client was I

said, you're training someone virtually. You talk more. You're sitting there for 2 minutes.

Picture it. Well because

you know why? You're literally sitting on the Zoom more than you are teaching or coaching Yes. Yeah. There's do the math. A set's only gonna take her

maybe second,

30 seconds top, then she's gonna rest for 3 minutes. Like, the 2 to 3 minutes. Like, I

I mean, my advice to the trainers to really just come in with some educational material to then, you know, those breaks, like, teach or something. Teach or something you know, nutritionally, teaches something like, you know, in terms of exercise mechanics, something, you know, to bring.

Yeah. I used to sell my clients on why we're doing what we're doing.

I think we say I think you're saying I used to sell my clients. I want any more training. I said, why we're trading do.

You see what? Right.

Now that we're done with this, this also Yeah. Here's come here. I mean, there's a commercial break.

You got 3 days. Just

constant commercials. Oh,

man. Our next caller is Rachel from California.

Hi, Rachel. How can we help you?

Hi. How are you guys? Hey.

Hey. Hey. What's happening?

Not much. First of all, I just wanna thank you guys for everything that you do and for the, you know, the real high quality content you guys put out. I've been listening for a couple years. And it took me a while to jump on to the resistance training train I'm a former, I guess, cardiogenic if you would call it. And I just you know, cardio was my thing.

I needed the endorphan rush. Anything that wouldn't get me that was off the charts. And so I've recently started doing since training, and I've been enjoying it a lot. So thank you guys for that.

Awesome. Great.

Yeah. Okay. I wanna give you guys a little bit of context before I ask my question because I think giving you a little bit of background will be helpful in any kind of where I'm coming from. I growing up, I never struggled with any type of disordered eating or addiction to exercise. I was raised in a very untraditional childhood, I was born into a very ultra religious orthodox Jewish family.

And my dad is the head rabbi of a very large community in Southern California. And so we were brought up in a opened Jewish home. I had a very Jewish mother. And, you know, the Jewish culture is if you love me, you'll feed me. And so we do it.

I'm 1 of 8, and we would come home every night after school, and there would be 8 dinners waiting for us because we all like different foods. And so, you know, mom would kinda cook whatever we all wanted. I went to an all do an all Jewish girl school, essentially. So I grew up with very like minded girls. Body image was never an issue.

We I guess I hovered around 145, 150 since I stopped growing. But it it never really bothered me because we were so sheltered from social media, or so sheltered from the world. We were, you know, we didn't watch movies, we didn't read English books, and so body image just didn't exist.

Well,

Fast forward, after high school, I was set up in an arranged marriage, which is pretty common in the in the orthodox culture. I met the man that I was supposed to marry when I was right out of 18, and then a month later, we were married. So the night of my wedding, I got pregnant. And, you know, the first year, I wanna say, into my marriage, everything kind of just hit me. I realized how miserable I was in this world, in this marriage, in this religion, everything I felt like I was doing.

Ultimately, I felt like I was doing for my parents, not for me. And I've got a kid and I'm married to someone. I don't know. Nothing. I was just numb.

So I took on a hobby and that was exercise. I started running I loved the feeling that Redding gave me. It was an escape for me. I started kit training. Again, I loved that, Endorphan rush, and exercise was essentially what I would do to escape my reality.

At the same time, I started restricting the food that I was eating, I gave a ball animal protein. Then I started giving up eggs, giving up carbs. Over time, I went from that 01:45 weight down to about 01:04. I was very lean. I exercised beginning started about an hour a day until it got to about 5 hours a day and nothing less than that was acceptable to me.

It almost felt like I was punishing myself for the life that I was living in an odd way, but that went on for over 10 years. I've got 3 kids. And about 2 years ago, I left the marriage and essentially left the religion to. I started, you know, adapting a very healthy way of eating and exercising. I've incorporated a lot of food back into my diet.

I trimmed down the exercise from 5 hours, you know, to 3 hours, to 2 hours gone over, like, the last 2 years. So I'm currently at 1 hour a day. I do mine pump aesthetic for 3 days a week. The other days, I do my cardio, all both fronts, do my steps, you know, whatever feels right that day. But I know that I've done a lot of damage to my immune system, to my gut to my body during those 10 years.

So I've tried to incorporate a lot more protein into my diet, a lot more food, but my stomach can't really handle it. In the beginning, it just it it was almost impossible to eat that much but I've gone to a place now where I'm able to eat the amount of protein that I should be eating, you know, not enough, but I'm working towards there. In regards to the exercise that I'm doing. You know, I told you it's the mind pumping and the cardio. The last couple of months, I wanna say, it just feels like everything's breaking down.

My body's breaking down. I don't have energy for those runs anymore. You know, my heart rate is just elevated more than it's ever been. I just I feel tired constantly. And so ultimately, my question is those, you know, 10:12 years, I know that I've done a lot of damage to my body.

I also know that it's tied to some type of, you know, trauma of my past. And I'm wondering now in my mind, you know, I've I'm meeting more. I've cut back to about an hour a day only. But I I can't seem to find that the place where I feel rested and ready and, you know, ultimately that the you know, the results of the work that I'm putting in. I'm not I'm not really seeing it.

So I guess my question is is, you know, I'm I'm worried to take a full time, you know, a full on break. I don't wanna do that. But given, you know, my past, in the history and where I am now. I wanna know your thoughts on if I'm not, you know, let's say I'm not eating enough to staying the muscle growth that I would want or that I'm putting in the work for, or I'm just, you know, am I pushing my body into the ground Where do you think I got I should go from here?

Rachel, are you first before I let Sal lecture you? Are you in are you in a place where you're ready to receive that? Because that's I guarantee all the guys I mean, we probably could have answered your question about halfway through. Thanks. Yeah.

On what you need to do right now and and the answers to why you're seeing what you're seeing right now, the question really comes down to are you in a place right now where you're ready to receive that advice in and follow through on it? Or do you feel like you you're you're reaching out to us just to hopefully tell you that we can do more of something else

that you might know intrinsically?

So I

know what you guys are going to tell me. I know what Sal's gonna lecture me in, you know. Hours. I need a reverse diet myself. I mean, I can write the script myself.

Yeah. Yeah. That's why I'm asking.

III took a week off of exercising because I thought that that would cure all my problems. And clearly, it did not.

Yeah.

I I don't know honestly that I can commit to any longer that of taking a break.

I don't don't necessarily think he's gonna tell you that you gotta stop everything.

Rachel, let me ask you a question.

Hi, Sal.

Hi, how are you?

How are you doing?

Here come.

Hey, look. By the way, congratulations for being able to get where you're at now and talk about, you know, kinda everything that you went through and the way you did. You've helped a lot of people, okay, right now just because you're on our show. So I appreciate it takes courage to do that. What what are you worried about?

What are you afraid of? Because you said I don't know if I can do less than an hour a day. What what is the fear?

Here's my mind. The fear is what I'm gonna tell myself all day. The fear is, you know, I've become the harshest critic of myself, and it's constant. It's constant noise in my head.

Yeah. You

need to work out. You need it. Why aren't you working out? Why aren't you working out? And then it just goes on all day.

And so ultimately, I'm just I just wanna shut it up, and so I work out.

Yeah. Yeah, I know what that feels like. Are you working with a therapist? Yeah.

I've been working with a therapist. We've been going through, you know, all the past trauma and love that's gonna take years.

Yeah.

To right? I guess I wonder if if there's any way that my exercise or my eating is tied to more than just, you know, the body being tired and more Yes. Yes.

It's a it's and by the way, it's not it's less of a punishment punishment thing. It's more of a control thing.

Yeah. It's total control. That's so you're it's control. You've developed a relationship with exercise where you you you abuse it. Like a drug.

Yeah. And and it sounds like you're getting you're running away from something when you do it. And so without that, like you said, your fear is Like, what am I gonna tell myself? What am I gonna do in that hour? How am I gonna operate?

Yeah. So I understand that. So okay. First off, you have 15 years of trauma. Yeah.

Okay. And and and that's there's a lot there. I mean, you you told us the tip of the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure. Right? So There's 15 years of trauma.

A big part of it is you abusing yourself. Yeah. And then there's other stuff that goes along with that. Okay? A week off isn't gonna even come close to addressing that?

You know, 3 years off isn't gonna do that. And I'm not gonna tell you to take time off. But what what I am saying to you is what's driving the way you're feeling right now is is it has to do with your your mind. Some people would say the spirit. But it's the mind that's driving all of this.

And the mind is probably impacted your gut in the way that it has. Now you got bad gut health. I would work with a functional medicine practitioner for gut health, so you gotta do that. And as far as exercise is concerned, III know what program I would recommend to you, but you're gonna probably wanna do something every single day. Mhmm.

Is there something you can do and replace of the workout for that hour. Is there anything you can do that, like, would you be open to doing a yen yoga class on those days that you're, you know, on the days where you're not gonna be lifting.

It's so boring.

I know. I know.

Do you do you you play music? Do you have any other hobbies? A hobby that you like?

I do have hobbies, but my hobbies are boxing running. Yeah.

Yeah. No. No. No. Like You don't get any of those

ones. Yeah.

Okay. Look. Here here's what I wanted

to do. There's no no no knitting knitting or reading books or even.

How can I I'm sitting still? I don't anything that's you know, honestly, I don't really love hiking because it's very slow paced.

Oh, yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hiking the slow pace is no way in hell I'm gonna do a mediocre class. I just can't.

Alright. Alright. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna look, I'm gonna sell you differently. Okay? Either do either do what I'm about to tell you or you're gonna be forced.

And I don't mean I'm gonna come force you. You're gonna start to run into some problems

I'm already running into those properties. Okay.

I don't They're

only gonna get worse.

They're gonna get a lot worse. Things are gonna get a lot louder. Your your the signs are gonna get lot louder. You're gonna suffer more. Your children are gonna suffer as a result.

Maybe that'll motivate you. So the the only way The only way to get to the other end is to go through. Okay? You can't go around and you can't avoid it. You gotta go through.

So what does that mean? What am I talking about? What the advice I'm gonna give you is gonna suck really bad for probably a year it's just gonna suck. A lot of shit's gonna come up. You're gonna be like, oh, god.

I gotta do it this way. I really wanna do it the way I did it before. You're gonna start to feel better. That's really gonna want you to go back. It's gonna push you to go back to what you were doing before, especially as you start to feel better.

So here's what I'm gonna recommend. Maps aesthetic is the wrong program for you. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna have you do maps andabolic.

I want you to follow maps andabolic. The 2 day a week version not the 3 day a week version to use this, bro. The 2 day a week. This I'm giving you the perfect device. Okay?

This, like, like, this is what I want you to do. Okay? I I wish I could train you because I would just coach you the whole time. But math cinebolic, 2 day a week version. On the other days, I want you to find a restorative something.

Yan yoga is a good example.

Can we give her can we give her maps performance to go with it and have her do the mobility sessions? I think flow work and stuff in there would give her something that makes

her As long as you don't turn the mobility sessions into into circuit training,

well, no. That's hard to do that.

Well, I mean, you could do a fast as hell. You could guess what?

I mean, I could that that will keep her mind busy. It's challenging enough to where she has like, a goal she can set and work on. It's it's the intensity is low enough. It'll be recuperative, and it'll keep her

You do you have the is it feasible for you to hire a a yoga instructor so you could do 1 on 1?

Yeah. That's feasible. You know? III mean, I this is feasible for me to do it alone. Right?

Or go to a yoga class and do it. I just I never -- Okay. -- active trial of exercise.

Yeah. No. I'm not talking about feasible in terms of can like like in terms of the the cost, it's it's it's more expensive, right, to do a 1 on 1 instructor. Here's why I think yoga instructor would be better. You're gonna be more accountable they're gonna be able to coach you through the process, and a really good yoga instructor really knows how to work with the mind.

They really know how to calm them a lot

of breathing techniques.

Yeah. You're gonna need that. A lot of shit's gonna come out. Like, okay. Don't be surprised if you cry often in yin yoga with a good instructor.

If that happens, it's supposed to happen. Okay? I would do yoga. I would do maps on a ball 2 days a week. And then I'd work with a functional medicine practitioner for diet because you got some gut stuff that needs to get addressed.

Okay? Now what I'm saying isn't gonna be easy, a lot of stuff's gonna come up. It's gonna be challenging. But I promise you on the other end of this, you're gonna be like, wow, this is so different. This is so different.

A lot better.

So I I'm gonna add some stuff to this just because if I if I had you as my client, I would a hundred percent agree with Sal because I've been control of it every day. My fear is taking you from everything you're doing down to 2 days a week and Yoyogi, which you already professed you or not a fan of. My fear is that you're not gonna stick to it longer than a week or 2, so I would wanna peel you down slowly. I would wanna take you to anabolic 3 days a week with mobility days on the other day. So you're you're still got this kind of feeling of you're doing active, but I know you're you're dramatically reducing the intensity.

And then my my goal would be to get you to where Sal wants you. Because right now, I think you're you're so far on the right of extreme with the at the exercise. That the the rip off the band aid thing you want her to do right now without having some issues holding her hand all the way through it.

Here's the thing Rachel's saying right now that the signs are already showing up. She hasn't told us what they are, but based off of the energy I'm getting from what she's saying, it sounds like we're in a bit of a dire situation. Am I am I Am I resonating?

Yes, yes. You are resonating as far as the signs. However, you know, the week that I took off of exercising, I was a mess. You know, I I was I was angry. I was moody.

I couldn't be a mom. I couldn't work. I've got, you know, I have 3 kids. And that 1 week, I felt bad for my kids. It was, you know, it's like they were suffering with me because I couldn't be present for them because of my own shit that I had going on.

And that's why I don't know that I can do a year. I I don't

Rachel. How how familiar are you with what withdrawal looks like from from substances?

Not that familiar.

Have you ever known a friend who had to stop doing something like opiates or alcohol or cigarettes even? Okay. The withdrawal symptoms are really bad at first. They don't last a year, not even close. So yeah, it's gonna suck at first.

That's what you're experiencing is withdrawal. And what's coming up is all the stuff that you're bearing and distracting yourself from. But here's the problem. Okay? This is the myth.

The myth is that you're actually keeping keeping it at bay and solving it. No. Because what's happening is it's still under the surface and it's coming out without your permission. Okay? It's coming out in other ways.

It's it's it's still acting below the surface. It's actually more insidious because it's more subconscious. When you when you go through withdrawal. It's more of a conscious awareness like, fuck. I feel like this.

I'm acting shitty. I'm irritable. When you bury it, stuff it, and distract, It's still pulling the strings. It's just in a way that you're not aware of and you're still doing stuff that's not great. So and and withdrawal does not last forever.

At all. It's gonna suck at first really bad, then it gets easier, and it gets easier, and it it gets easier. So How

long I'm sorry. How long do you think it would last for?

I think if you if you followed what we said, if you let your therapist know what you're doing and you did the yin yoga and you found a good instructor, I think you would have a very I think you would feel very cathartic by the second or third week, definitely by the second month.

Yeah.

Are you not on Rachel, are you on social media at all? Are you on Instagram, Facebook? Are you on any of that stuff? Yeah. Well, I'm gonna put you on our form too.

So I I mean, I I would like to to stay in touch with you as you go through this. Just it's so hard to be able to sit here and try and tell you, like, oh, this long, and then you're gonna feel great. Like, it's you know, it it may not even take a year, but it may take longer. It's like but for sure, what is not gonna help is going back and then continuing to punish your body. I don't know where I'm at with, like, if I think that going all the way to what Sal is saying is the path or it is to slowly taper you down or not.

But no matter what, you've gotta head in that direction. You've gotta start taking steps in the direction of taking care of your body -- Mhmm.

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instead of punishing it through exercise because it's it's revolting already and it's gonna revolt anymore. That doesn't mean you need to stop at all. It just means we need to choose things that are less punishing and taxing on the body and more things that are are going to feed you, feed your soul, feed your body, take care of your body, and so we need to find that right balance. And you're you're really far on 1 side right now. I gotta bring you back to the other side.

Yeah. And I I mean, listening to all this advice and it's it's a really tough 1 to prescribe. But I I really do feel like if a a personal coach, you know, somebody that can kind of be cost there to to communicate with you in terms of, like, that intensity factor because you're gonna be driven to wanna do everything intensively and to to sort of let it out. And to to be able to to work your way through and find, you know, a different approach and a different way to do it where it's restorative. So III understand where Sal's going with the in yoga, and I understand how difficult that's gonna be for you mentally to shift into that kind of a mindset.

And I think that you know, either 1 of us would would, you know, love to personally, you know, kinda guide you through that whole process. And I think that there's somebody out there like that.

I think

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You know what? -- within our forum. We know some we know somebody. Where in California are you?

In the Cannae Valley. Agora Hills.

Yeah. Well, no. I know we know somebody virtually. I I don't wanna say over just in case that their schedule's too full. Rachel, I'm gonna save your contact info.

And I'll have somebody contact you. That's a really good online coach that we know personally that could kinda help you along the way. Yeah.

I yeah. I I appreciate all of that. I think my response to all of that simply is, you know, my workouts have really just been my saving grace, my, you know, the last 15 years of my life, and they're the 1 thing that just may be able to just go on every day.

Yeah.

Yeah. I

That's why I don't that's why I don't take it away from you. I just wanna change it a

little bit.

We're just looking That's why I just wanna change it. I don't wanna take your workouts away. I want you to do it every day. You're just 3 days a week, it's lifting weights and strength training, and then the other 4 days, it's

a big building. To build you up, not to punish you. Yep. That's that's where we want to get Yeah.

This this III get look, I get where you're where you're coming from. IIII can definitely go in and out of a relationship with exercise that way, so I know what it feels like. I get it. It's definitely doing something, but it's it's it's not working anymore. It's doing it's doing the opposite now of what you want it to do.

So Yeah.

That's the part. It's like I I wanna do it and I wanna feel good and I wanna have that relationship with it, but it's just fighting me.

Rachel, I also want you to know that you are not an anomaly. This is not not something that I have not personally dealt with with clients before. You'll get through this. You're gonna make it through this. You will.

K?

As the next communicated from my family, my community, you know, it's it's very much in the loan feeling. And

You're not alone. We we we're with you. K? We're with you. I'm gonna put you in the form.

I want you to if you communicate with me, I'm gonna communicate with you. K? So you're not alone. You will get through this. K?

Really, really what it is right now, and what we're all spinning our wheels around is, like, where start you and how do we how do we guide you virtually right now? If I had you, I'd take you. I got you.

Right.

There's there's no way I would you would not get through this if I didn't have right by my side?

1 step at a time. You're gonna right now, you're gonna you're gonna heal yourself. It's 1 step at a time. Okay? It sound it sounds like there's a lot of things there you wanna work on.

But in order to tackle all those other things, we need to you need to be healthy and happy, Rachel. So let's heal you first. Okay? Yep.

Look how far you've come by yourself. You've you've got this. You will. Okay.

We're gonna I'm gonna have I'm gonna have somebody contact Okay? We got your I think we got your email. So I'll have somebody contact you. Hopefully, it works out because they're they're really good online coaches and they can help you with this process.

We'll be in touch today. Okay?

You guys. I really appreciate it.

Alright, Rachel. Thanks, Rachel. Thank you. You got it? That's hard.

Yeah.

Yeah. That's really tough. I mean, look, man.

I wish she was close.

She was

close. I'd

take her right now. Yeah.

That's that's rough. That's she's developed this, you know, it's like it's like an abusive relationship with exercises. It's like you're with this person and you're afraid to leave them. But you have to because they're Well,

listen, this is also a major control thing. When you when you grow up in a a very

feel like a

more religious family where you've done everything them that everyone's been telling you what you need to do. You're a whole life. You don't do what you're This is the 1 thing you have

for 1 outlet.

It's your 1 thing you've had full control of. Nobody's telling you how to eat. Nobody is telling you how to exercise you have decided that. And so more of it, harder of it, you get to do that. And so it's letting go of some of that control.

That's why I that's why I thought you were too far, bro, to 2 days a week with I mean

We are we literally get minutes.

I know I know and I know I know your desire I mean, that's my goal.

And it's also yeah. It's just to tell her the answer, which you would never do in coaching. If I'm working with someone, I'm not gonna just give you the I'm like, we're gonna work on this step by step. Yeah. And there's also other people.

There's a lot of the reveal as we're doing

the work. Right? So it's yeah. To to kinda jump to the end, it's -- Yeah.

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that's really hard.

Listen, Rachel, we we hung up we hung up with you and we were not satisfied with the the help that we we I mean, we tried helping you, but we thought we wanted to give you more. So here's what we did. Okay? We contacted our friend, Christina, she's an excellent coach. Excellent.

She's a licensed therapist, but she also works with people with nutrition and exercise. And what we did is we hired her for you for the next 3 months. So she's gonna walk you she's gonna walk you through this process. Okay? Because -- Mhmm.

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we ask a promise. So she's exceptional. She's really, really good. We wanna help you out and that was the person that I was kind of alluding to when we were talking to you. Adam got her on the phone and And she's she'd love to work with you.

She's a friend of ours, and we will be in contact with her also. So by extension, we're gonna be working with you.

I really appreciate that you guys. That's that's that's obviously something that I've never, you know no. I've spoken to a therapist about my past, but never really about this issue in combining the 2. You know? So I hopefully, it'll it'll work.

And just having someone to talk to you, honestly, I think is gonna be the best motivator.

That's why she's gonna be perfect because that's what that's what we were thinking is, like, she's specializes in exactly that. And that's what you need right now is somebody to be able to talk to and communicate all these things, and then also be able to help you through the exercise and nutrition portion because that's equally as important. So I'm gonna do you wanna you wanna give her her number or you wanna have her call?

Well, no. I'll have Christina call you you her she's mind what is it? Mind of matter?

Mind of matter.

Mind of matter on Instagram and mindset of matter dot com is her website. She's phenomenal. She's gonna contact you. We've already talked to her. And now you have somebody there that's gonna walk you through the process.

So and we wanna see you succeed really bad. Yeah. Yep. Okay?

I did that. You guys really. Thank you.

Okay.

Thanks. Got it. We're gonna give her your number right now. So be on the lookout or her name's Christine. K?

Mindset of matter coaching. Mindset of matter coaching. That's it.

Okay. And it's Christina.

To Doug. I don't know if Doug has my number.

I do have your number. I called you earlier.

Oh, that's right. You did. Sorry.

Yes. So, yeah, we're gonna have her we're gonna have her call you, and then she's about whatever you we told her whatever you need as far as on the coaching on her end for the next 3 months, mine pump take care of it. Okay?

Oh, thank you. Thank you, guys. That's that's awesome.

Alright, Rachel. You got it.

We'll be in touch. Thank you.

Alright.

You have a good day. Take care

of yourself. Our next caller is Sarah from Massachusetts.

Hi, Sarah. How can I help you? Yes.

Hi. So let me see. I am 40. I've been working out for about 4 or 5 years, but really focusing on strength training a little over 2 years. That's when I started listening to you guys.

I've really fallen in love with the process. I have gone from god. In 20 17, I was about 210 pounds of women size 18. I'm now about 01:41 42.

Awesome.

Size 4. Really have been trying to focus listening to you guys. I I built my own kind of routine III really focus on progressive overload, focusing on strength. At first, the scale went up a little scared scared me. But I I've been super consistent.

I packed on a ton of muscle. I think I'm in the I had a Dexter and done 85 to 90 percentile for my age. That being said, the last 3 or 4 months, I'm noticing no real strength gains, no aesthetic gains. I'm at about 30 percent body weight. I used to eat very low calorie with your advice, reverse diet.

I eat usually about 4200 calories a day. I'm I'm only 551. So I'm really just I I'm kinda stuck. I I don't know how to make more progress. Again, I'm I'm 40.

I'm feeling like I don't know if it's my age or what.

You look awesome, by the way. I mean, I'm looking up at your great news. I've got your stuff up right now.

Yeah. I do great. Okay. So it's only been a couple months that you're not noticing any changes?

3 or 4 months, and it's not that I haven't been I I haven't changed anything as far as I'm concerned that, you know, again, listening to you guys, sleep is a priority. I get a ton of sleep. I if I take my supplements, I I do nothing's changed for me.

What's the pro what kind of program are you following 1 of our programs?

No. So I I'm a little stuck on, you know, do I do aesthetic? Do I do anabolic? I don't know where to start being that. I'm not I'm still a fairly new lifter, but I don't wanna go backwards either.

So

What does your routine look like now? How many is a week? Are you in the gym working out with weights?

You're gonna yell at me. I I know I overtrained. 06:60 the week. I try to do, and I know you guys are big on hold body. I just can't get into it.

So I do 3 up or 3 lower. You know, if I'm feeling kinda shitty 1 day, III think, mentally, I just like to be in the gym. So if there's a day where I didn't get a great sleep, I'll go to the gym and just walk or row or do something, but I mean, lifting I lived always 5 days a week. Usually

I think you're doing alright. Yeah.

I think you're doing

it. Thought it bad.

Your energy is okay. You feel good. You got good sleep. You've got your libido's healthy. Everything else is good?

Yeah.

Alright. Maps aesthetic. You're you'll be in the gym 5 days a week on maps aesthetic. Now it is full body based, so there's 3 full body workouts, but then there's 2 focus sessions. You'll be in the gym 5 days a week, lifting weights.

And it's well programmed, obviously, we created it. It's a high volume workout, but you sound like you could probably do it. And I wouldn't change anything else. I think just changing the workout alone is gonna do it for you.

Okay. Yeah. I've tried, like, changing up the tempo, listening to you guys as far as what else can I do? And I don't wanna get bored. I go when I lift, it's it's all out, you know, I couldn't even spot my body weight.

Now I can spot, like, 02:10. So, like, I think where I'm not packing weight on the bar. I'm not, you know, making the progress that I was making when I started lifting, gets frustrating from

Yeah. I also that's another point to be made is I think you've made tremendous. Yeah.

You're not gonna make progress.

Yeah. It's all Unfortunately, the the longer we do this the better we get, the the the less we see as far as the progress, you know, like what you came from, you were probably seeing week over week change with your physique and stuff. And so yeah. And you look really good right now. So you're gonna see very incremental change going forward.

So that you do need to be adjusted for that. I I think you're doing a great job, and I think math's aesthetic is okay for you.

And just getting a new stimulus is at least gonna spark that new kind of energy going into it. So I think that'll be helpful if anything, you know, and your body will respond.

Did you track did you track steps? I don't know if I heard say that or not. Did you did you say how how many steps a day you're doing?

I mean, I wear a watch. I'm usually between 10 to 15000 a day.

Okay. Yeah. You're on fire. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Napster aesthetic. That's all easy. Follow that program. Follow as it's laid out.

Listen to you.

My calorie's the same because I want I wanna cut body fat. But I don't wanna

Let the program do it.

I think the program will

do it for you. Yep.

I'm gonna I'm gonna give you 1 more follow-up. So after you run aesthetic, I would look into map strong. I think you would love it. And I think there's there's enough unconventional exercises in there that you'll also get great change from that.

Yep.

So do maps aesthetic like Sal said, and then I would tell you to look into strong after that. I think that would be a great follow-up program for you.

Awesome. Thank you guys so much. Thank you for everything. I feel like I know all of you. I know you're fine.

I know. Like, I'm a little starstruck, so thank you so much.

Yeah. Thank you. Paula, thank

you, Sarah.

Thank you.

Thank you.

You got it. We we almost never recommend Matt's aesthetic because of the volume dialed it. But she had everything dialed in. Been doing this for a while. She's kicking ass.

Eating good amount of calories. Sleeping good. High sleep or libido.

Just the switch from what she's doing to that, she's gonna see some change for

sure.

I I really think she's just I mean, this is what happens after you've made I mean, look at her transformation.

You know,

before and after is insane. Like, she is completely changed her body composition. And so now it's incremental, you know,

start kinda taper and off.

So then

you gotta just change it up.

I mean, her before and after is crazy.

That's remarkable. Yeah. Our next caller is David from Georgia.

David, what's happening, man? How can we help you?

Hey. How's it going, guys?

Good. It's going on.

Awesome that you took my call. I really, really appreciate it.

You got it, man.

I'm sure you wanna get to lunch. So I'll just jump right in. With a little a little background. So 48 years old, a hundred and 90 pounds, about 14 and a half percent body fat. I've been really active in endurance sports, I mean, since high school, mostly mountain bike racing.

I switched to weight training in 20 21 and doing it's basically been through anabolic a couple times. Symmetry, and right now I'm about halfway through power lift. I'm still I'm still not happy with my physique though. I have a lot of I still have belly fat. You know, the love handles going.

But when I have a punk, I'm like, I feel like I'm really that's where I really wanna beat.

Mhmm.

So my question is, what can I take from that? And what what should I continue to to focus on?

Alright. Well, first off, if you look the ideal way you wanna look when you have a pump, that means you're already pretty close. Like, you can't take somebody and radically transform with the pump to the point where they're So in other words, you're pretty close without that pump because the pump is gonna add it's not gonna add, you know, a ton.

Like, I see something right away that'll help. Cut you off. Is that I mean, it it you're currently in a cut on power lift?

Well, I was. I'm on vacation now, but I was on a cut. Yes, sir.

Okay. I mean, have you done, like, it when when was the last time you did, like, a clean bulk, like, with the intent to, like, add good calories and train train and build versus probably trying to lean out?

It's it's been a while. Just because I've always I'm always focused on the the love handles and that. Oh, really?

So that's just

that you had to be on the head at all.

Yeah. So that's muscle. So that's what you you just need to go through a you need to go through

Like a like a lean bulk.

Yeah. A lean bulk. So not like a vacation. Get to eat what you want. That's I'm on a bulk for the week.

Like, Okay. I'm strategically going to bulk through maps power lift and slowly increase my calories. The goal is I'm not gonna worry about the love handles at this moment. I'm gonna get stronger, fuck, build some more muscle, and then I'm gonna come back down after the program.

David, if you do this right, you'll actually get leaner.

You yeah.

Yeah. If you do this right, you'll not on the scale, but in terms of body composition. So if you do this right -- Yeah.

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you'll probably fuel I don't know. I'm gonna say 5 to 8 pounds of lean body mass, which would be phenomenal. Your body fat, the total amount of body fat on your body won't change. So you'll have the same pounds of body fat, but the percentage will go down because now it's a smaller percentage of your overall body mass because you're now, let's say, 8 pounds heavier with lean body mass.

And it'll look better on your You're

gonna look a lot better. Right? So and then from there, if you wanna cut, now your metabolism faster and it's gonna be a lot easier.

That's right.

So and the fact that you haven't done a lean bulk, a really strategic 1 in a long time. I mean, that alone. I mean, that tells me everything.

Yeah. And the I I'm looking at 1900 calories for a hundred and 90 pounds.

That's fairly

It's pretty low. So you I mean, I I would like to to reverse diet you and get you to a place where you're above 26, 2800 calories. And then cut you back down, they'll say, like, 24, like, a 2400 calorie should be a cut for you. And so that will be kind of the goal. Like, when we if I was training you, we'd be going through maps power lift.

I'd be really pushing the weight, trying to get strong, trying to increase your calories, and the goal literally would be week over week, Can we get stronger? Can we add calories? Can we get stronger? Can we add calories? And at the end of the program, what would be a very successful, you know, cycle for us would be Did I get you up north of 26 to 2800 calories?

And did we not put on a bunch of body fat on in the pursuit of that? And did we get stronger? If we did that, I just should I set you up to get shredded over the next 6 to 8 weeks. Like, then you're in then you're in prime situation. To lean out, drop the calories, follow whatever program you wanna follow after that, and you'll start to see those love handles drop down and you look great.

Somehow I knew you were gonna say something like this, but I guess I just said that I had to hear you all say it.

Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah.

By your by the way, like, salsa.

You're right

you're right there. I mean, when you can say, I like the way I look I just wanna look the way which I could totally relate to saying that. Right? Like, seeing myself all aired up at the gym. Like, damn, I just wanna look like that walking around.

That means you're not far away, you're right. It's it's around the corner for you. So it's right there.

Awesome. Yep. Well, thank you so much.

You got it, man. By the way, you know, hundred how tall are you?

616

01/01/9014 percent body fat product. He's 48 years old. I think you're doing pretty good, bro. Yeah. Yeah.

It might just little process machine and Yeah.

Exactly. You're doing good.

Oh, thank you.

You got it. Alright, man. Yeah. Yeah. Boy, you hit the nail right on the head.

Yeah. Right away.

Well, I saw it in

the ad there. I know I

I didn't wanna interrupt you, but I saw, like, what I Doug scrolled the screen down, and then I go, oh, shit. Okay? This dude is trying to get rid of the brother.

I've been cutting for

You've been cutting for a while, and he's I mean, but like you said too, 6 01/01/9014. I mean, he's at 48. I think he's a better shape than I am right now. Yeah. It's doing he's doing good.

Like,

02:30. It is. I'm sick. Yeah. Yeah.

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