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Oliver Stone and Josh Dubin and Bruce Bryan.

God bless Bruce and what he went through.

And God bless Oliver Stone for like making movies about really cool social important aspects and things that need to happen in this world.

Yeah, it's surprising that I mean, I almost feel like he's going out on a limb with this like nuclear energy thing but yeah good for him.

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Man, think of the amount of movies that he's been a part of like really when you're thinking of like culture or cultural influential people

yeah, like who are the original influencers like Steven?

Spielberg and you know James Cameron, I mean really that's what they were.

Okay well let's check can we just do a run-through of some of those videos?

Wall Street 2010 I haven't seen that 1 either.

South of the Border, W, with Josh Brolin, that was a good 1.

Maybe let's hit more of his greatest hits.

That's about as iconic as it gets for a movie.

Alright, So he's back, he's done, you know, a documentary film style about nuclear power.

I mean, we just had a guy in the studio that was like, not keen

But I look what Oliver Stone is saying is there's no way we're gonna hit this 0 carbon emissions by 2050 if we don't do nuclear.

You know, there's this there's this utopian vision of, you know, having renewables work, it's not gonna work, it's not enough.

It does- it's not sunny all the time, it's not windy all the time.

You have to have something else, and nuclear is so clean, and what-

I mean, look, those dams work really well, But isn't it also environmentally problematic to just damn everything up?

However, Wasn't that 1 stat that you needed, like, something like 10 times the land to make 150th the power of like a nuclear power station?

I don't know the stats, but I mean, look-

You wrote it down, okay, but- What they said.

I just remember when Elon Musk was talking about solar that you could basically take like one-tenth of the state of Nevada and make it into a bunch of solar panels and you could power the whole country.

It was a hundred times the power with one-fifth of the land.

And you know, so when I got into nuclear power, I was watching Bill's Brain.

But Bill Gates, right before the pandemic started, he was about to make a nuclear power plant in China and then then Trump I think is I think it was actually before this, this was more like 2018, Trump then put all the tariffs on China and the steel tariffs and all that stuff, and then, you know, we stopped doing business with China for however long, and that kind of squashed everything.

But my point is that I watched the movie and what they were saying is that these new nuclear power plants will not explode.

There's ways that the reactors won't get too hot, They have the technology to do it.

It's not just like a couple of dudes in Springfield like Homer Simpson style sitting there You know fucking around with buttons.

well, I don't really think anyone thinks that

Yeah, so stuff right, but you're talking about 19 what 80 this happened in Chernobyl Yeah,

It is sucked Like a lot of things were pretty shitty, but

so it's just this narrative that we've been fed that it's bad Why are we being fed that it's bad think about it if every fucking thing?

We've been fed that is bad is order is in order to create profit for oil and gas and coal

It's been that way since the Industrial Revolution, dude.

Just like they try to pin recycling as bad, which, because it doesn't even really work.

I mean, that's a whole other subject, but it's like, yeah, so they put it on us as a consumer to recycle so then they don't have to feel bad and then they can keep making plastic bottles even though they're filling up the ocean.

You know, it's just another way they spread this narrative because it's good for them, it's good for profits.

If we had a bunch of nuclear power plants, think of how much, I mean, coal would essentially be gone.

Yeah, I feel like it would be great to get a bunch of people together, right, from different sides of the aisles and different parts of our community, right?

today talking about not liking nuclear power

And I love the push towards renewable I mean, look, if you put enough money into something, we get good at it So we're gonna get good at whatever we put time into And I think it only makes sense that there would be a place for all of it, within reason.

But if everyone starts talking, and they get to the point where they're like, look, what we're trying to do is reduce pollution.

So there's somewhere there's like a graph that would just kind of plot this and And it seems to me what makes sense that would get us over the hump is, you know, quite a few more nuclear power places, 0 emissions, lots of power.

So that's technically good for the environment and we get a lot of power.

In the meantime, while we have that, so we're taken care of, we all have to live, remember, while we figure out how to use wind farms, and then work on those different things.

The deaths from pollution in a coal plant town are massive.

You know, just from asthma and sick kids and people dying in the mines.

I mean, these are things that don't get talked about.

I don't think that there are many people that would be happy to move to a coal-burning plant city or town like really quickly

even if you're pro all of that you're gonna be a bit wary of breathing that shit in.

Well look and a lot of the movie sounds like talks about these developing countries like India and you know, China's already doing it.

They said they put $440 billion into the build out of nuclear.

Right now They're burning anything they can to create power of course They're gonna do that they need power.

They want to be like the West It's just it's gonna happen so let's start the talks now and let's make it happen, because I don't think these things are easy to build.

They take a long time, there's gonna be a lot of steps to go through, a lot of red tape to cross.

I think it's the red tape issue that makes them take so long.

But I can't imagine that if we were able to build them...

We figured out nuclear, the nuclear bomb in the 40s so...

That's a different thing but it's still, it's nuclear power.

Oh and remember these plants don't really blow up

That's the confusion that people are scared of.

They're scared of this leaking, like you think of like green, you know slime Yeah,

They turn everyone into like a three-eyed monster with superpowers

What did it say only 50 people died at Chernobyl now Chernobyl is a different story.

You're not supposed to go close to Chernobyl That's what was confusing to me because Oliver said in Fukushima There wasn't a ton of deaths at all and people are still eating the fish and the food and everything's fine That to me is confusing.

I don't want know what to think about that because it seems to me if a reactor blows up It's gonna go all over the ocean.

I don't think that they like when they say it blows up like there is it an explosion But it's not a bomb

right And then they have to kind of basically like cover it all up like they did, you know?

So it's definitely putting out radioactive material, which has an impact.

And that information needs to be carefully collected.

Like you need to make sure that it is all carefully collected.

But he did say that in Japan, in similar areas near the coast, they had a bunch of other nuclear power plants that weren't unaffected.

So it seems that the Fukushima 1 was just not built that well.

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Alright so Todd pulled something up here and let's see, we're looking at Fukushima accident, World Nuclear Association website.

It said the accident was rated level 7 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Event Scale due to high radioactive releases over days 4 to 6.

Okay, so like early days, yeah, 4 through 6, I mean, obviously it's going to be a mess.

Yeah, it said all 4 Fukushima reactors were written off due to damage and accident after 2 weeks.

The 3 reactors, units 1 through 3, were stable with water addition, and by July, they were being cooled with recycled water and blah blah blah.

There's probably some deaths though, wasn't there?

about- There have been no deaths or cases of radiation sickness from the nuclear accident but over a hundred thousand people were evacuated Alright, well they did a pretty good

job So it sounds like no cases of sickness now This is just 1 source But this is what Oliver Stone pointed out and obviously Oliver Stone did a shit ton of research for his movie

Well, he said that 2000000 people die every year from industrial actions.

Now, obviously, industrial plants, there's way more than there are nuclear places, but 2 million people is a lot of people.

And there's not this like massive fear to get rid of all industrial plants.

Right, but dude- It's just like we pick and choose these things that-

Well, look at the- look- okay, so just look at the deaths of what actually caused the reactor to, you know, be destabilized.

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