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At the time, Franklin and Washington were 2 of the most admired individuals in the United States
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and the most famous Americans in the world. Their final letters to each other represented a fitting end to a three-decade-long partnership that more than any other pairing would forge the American nation. Their relationship began during the French and Indian War when Franklin supplied the wagons for British General Braddock's ill-fated assault on Fort Duquesne and Washington buried that General's body under the dirt road traveled by those retreating wagons. Both had warned Braddock against this attack. Their friendship continued through the American Revolution, the Constitutional Convention, and the establishment of the new federal government.
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Perhaps because of the differences in their background, age, manner, and public image, their relationship was not widely commented on then, and it remains little discussed today. But it existed and helped to shape the course of American history. Both men have been called the first American, but they were friends first and never rivals. Their relationship gained historical significance during the American Revolution when Franklin led Americans diplomatic mission in Europe and Washington commanded the Continental Army. Victory required both of these efforts to succeed, and their success required coordination and cooperation.
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Their successful collaboration during the revolution helped to found a nation and propel a global experiment. Leadership at this level is a rare quality and well worth study. That was an excerpt from the book I'm going to talk to you about today, which is Franklin and Washington, the founding partnership, and it was written by Edward J. Larson. I was not expecting to do this book.
Speaker 2
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I was actually walking through a book story the other day and the cover caught my eye. And I have done several podcasts on Ben Franklin. I did his autobiography back on Founders No. 62 and then Isaacson's fantastic biography of Franklin back on Founders
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And even though I've read those 2 books on Franklin, I never thought about the partnership that he had with George Washington. So this book is a dual biography, focuses on the 30 year friendship that Franklin and Washington had, and how their lives intersected around 3 historical events, which is the French and Indian War, the American Revolution, and then the creation and the founding of a brand new government and nation. So I want to jump right into the beginning. The author is going to give us a brief overview of Franklin, a brief overview of George Washington's life. And the reason Benjamin Franklin's, in my opinion, extremely important to study, and I plan on continuing to read as many books on him as I can find is because I think he's the single most influential American entrepreneur to ever live if you factor in how many people were inspired by his life story and then they in turn live lives so remarkable that other people wrote books about them and that that that inspiration continue to be passed down to generation after generation.
Speaker 2
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I think you can tie this all the way back to him. And so the author sets us up nicely for us by saying by then Franklin was 50 talking about when he's the first met George Washington. George Washington is going to be, Franklin I think was 48, Washington was around 21, 22 years old. By then Franklin was 50 and 1 of the most widely known and respected people in the Western world. Washington was less than half of Franklin's age but already held a regional reputation for military prowess.
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Neither man was born to power or influence. Both had earned it. Franklin's international reputation rested on his scientific achievements in electricity, but he was best known locally as a printer, writer, reformer, postmaster, and pragmatic political leader. Given his humble origins, this represented a stunning achievement for the time and remains a lasting testament to his genius. He was born the 15th of 17 children to a working-class family.
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He was bookish and inquisitive. Franklin quickly displayed a seemingly inexhaustible capability for hard work and was in large part self-taught by reading so later on in the book there's this fantastic story Franklin's about to die George Washington's on his way to the to the Capitol to take just to begin his first term as president of a brand new nation. And he winds up paying a visit to Franklin at his home. And by that point, Franklin had this beautiful library. He had a personal library of over 4, 000 books.
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So it talks about how Franklin started his business as a young man when he gets to Philadelphia he's going to be a printer by trade and part of this is realizing hey the there's 2 printers in the city and none of them are very good and she also see the self-confidence the abundance of self-confidence that Benjamin Franklin have from young age neither Philadelphia's 2 printers was qualified for their trade Franklin soon concluded and when I got to this part of reminding me this video I saw the young Larry Bird And he was talking about when he was making the transition from playing college basketball to the NBA, how so many people doubted his ability because he came from a small school. They said, what is he going to do? He won't be able to get his jump shot off in the pros. He's not quick enough. He's not going to be able to rebound.
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And then Larry in this interview, as a young man, says, it took me 3 days of rookie camp, and I found out that this league is nothing. I can play in this league, and I will dominate in this league. That is exactly what happens in Ben Franklin's life. Soon Franklin dominated the regional printing trade and this is what he said about that. I took care not only to be in reality industrious and frugal but to avoid all appearances to the contrary.
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He wrote of his early days as a sole proprietor and then you another demonstration of founder mentality here he was convinced that acts mattered more than beliefs and over the next 20 years he focuses on building his business says for the next 2 decades Franklin was consumed by business and local civic affairs. As a printer, he published newspapers, had an annual almanac, which was Poor Richard's Almanac, that was filled with witty commentary and practical advice. Poor Richard's gained a wide readership. I think I remember reading that he was selling like 10, 000 copies a year of poor Richard's Almanac which is just insane at the time. The way to wealth if you desire it, poor Richard would say, depends chiefly on 2 words, industry and frugality.
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Waste neither time nor money, but make the best use of both Franklin advised fellow tradesmen when I wrote the note jotting down to myself when I got to this point think about this Franklin was advising fellow tradesmen he is still advising his fellow tradesmen.
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years later and it talks about the media business that he was building. He practiced what he preached, integrating forward and backward from the printing business. He owned or had an interest in some 2 dozen other print shops and almost as many paper mills. He championed the issuance of paper money that he was subsequently paid to print. He won the contract to print legislative documents for Pennsylvania, became its postmaster to facilitate delivery of his newspaper, and served as a clerk of its assembly to gain a leg up in getting the news.
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He became 1 of the richest American colonists living north of the Mason Dixon line yet wealth was never his chief goal in life. This is such a great advice from Franklin. The years roll around and the last 1 will come, Franklin wrote. When I would when it does I would rather have it said that he lived usefully than he died rich. That reminds me of this fantastic quote from Steve Jobs that is expressing I think the same idea Steve said being the richest man in the cemetery doesn't matter to me going to bed at night saying that we've done something wonderful that is what matters to me.
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And Franklin not 1 to rest on his morals just keeps racking up accomplishment after accomplishment. He founded a self-improvement Club for up-and-coming tradesman called the Junto might be the who until I can't remember exactly. He also founded a subscription library the firefighting brigade an academy that grew into the University of Pennsylvania. Bren, leave some achievements for the rest of us, why don't you? A 10, 000 man volunteer militia to defend Pennsylvania when its Quaker leaders would not.
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He was open-minded and curious. He could see fundamental relationships in nature that eluded others. Unencumbered by preconceived notions about the nature of electricity, Franklin conducted a series of brilliantly designed and easily explained experiments. He provided the first step towards both the modern physics of energy conservation and the transforming technology of electrical circuits all flowing from a tradesman with little formal education and this is just a fantastic description of his experiments with electricity he found electricity a curiosity and left it a science. And all of this is happening over several pages.
Speaker 2
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I'm still not done Franklin also created the first electric battery and developed the lightning rod and then this was just fantastic. We're going to get into Washington now, but I wanted to pull this 1 part out to you because it was really smart about what he wished for himself. In his autobiography when Franklin proposed the ideal prayer, it was for wisdom that discovers my true interest. Okay, so now here's an introduction into a young George Washington. He's around 17, 18 years old at the time.
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With the hope of building his fortune in land speculation on the frontier He opted to become a surveyor Virginia still had a vast Western wilderness Surveyors were needed to inventory and divide it through their inside information they could get in on the ground floor by acquiring some of the best parcels of land. So the introduction the reason I was interested in reading more about George Washington all the way back on founders number 226 I read this book heroes by Paul Johnson which profiles a bunch of different people I think I picked up I think it's like 30 people the book and maybe I picked 6 or 8 of them to talk about in that episode but 1 of those people was George Washington and that book was unique because it gives you like I could think of him like almost like a 10 page overview or 10 page miniature biography of all these heroes throughout history and there's a there's a sentence or in the 2 sentences in that book that made that was really interesting to me and so it says George Washington was a vigorous and active man an early riser about his business all day and by no means intellectually idle he accumulated a library of over 800 books.
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And then when he led people into battle, obviously he was America's most famous general. His strategy was clear, intelligent, absolutely consistent and maintained with an iron will from start to finish. And so at this point in his life, he's out in the frontier. He just finds it adventurous. Washington found his first foray into the wilderness exhilarating.
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He talks about later in life that he hated war, but for some reason was drawn to it. Comfortable in the salons of Mount Vernon, Washington was also at home on the frontier and proved immune to its physical hazards. And this knowledge that he's building up is going to be really useful later on when the French and Indian War starts, when the American Revolution starts as well. But right now he's just using it to make money. Using income and insights from these jobs, Washington bought his first pieces of property and within 2 years had acquired more than
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2, 000
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acres. That's incredible. A sizable holding for a youth of only 20. He looked up to his older brother. His older brother is unfortunately going to die of tuberculosis.
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It says George Washington suffered a morbid propensity to benefit from family tragedy. As a second son, he was not expected to inherit anything. The fact that his brother died early leads Washington to get not only to inherit Mount Vernon but also his older brother's name was Lawrence Lawrence's death created a vacancy in the Virginia military. And so he gets the colonies top military post without a lot of without a lot of experience at all and it's his first few battles is going to prove disastrous and I'll get there in a minute just talks about he made every single mistake you could possibly make. And so now we go to Washington's first military assignment.
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He's 21 years old. Remember the he's serving under like it's a British colony right and so they hear that out West the French have set up forts so the governor of Virginia sends a 21 year old George Washington to go tell the French to get out of here. So it says, upon learning of the French force, Governor Dinwiddie asked his government back in London how he should respond. This is what they said, if the French did not leave, we do hereby strictly charge and command you to drive them off by force of arms. That is going to be Washington's job.
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Dinwiddie chose 21 year old George Washington to deliver this message the same day that he received his order. Washington departed for the frontier. This mission would make his reputation. So it takes him 6 weeks of an arduous journey to go meet up with the French. He met with the French commander.
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He gives them the letter that he's commanded by Governor Dinwiddie to deliver to him. This French commander says, I do not think myself obliged to obey this. And it was kind of funny because they talk about how formal like the European the way they would engage in war It's like it's not it was almost like gentlemanly if you could think about that and how different it was when you're fighting especially like Native Americans are involved and This this sentence it kind of like gives you a summary that the forms of 18th century European style style war had been satisfied. The fighting could begin. And the first notion that this may be different that this is not going to be like a gentlemanly campaign is on his way back on Washington's way back to Virginia.
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There is this group of Native Americans. There's a Native American assassin that is allied with the French that first comes to Washington and is like, hey, we'll guide you on your way back. And so it says, it was a single man, a single male who offered to serve as their guy. At some point, the native turned and fired at Washington and his second in command. He was only 15 feet away and Washington somehow was missed.
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And so there's like this legend around Washington, how many times he came so close to death and was able to escape this is the first example of that they both then set upon their assailant gist which was Washington's partner wanted to kill him Washington instead held him until dark and then pretending to make camp set him free once the assailant was some distance away they made a dash towards the river walking all night and and and for the entire next day until they felt safe enough to make camp this was the first of many of such brushes with death at close quarters for George Washington. And so on this long difficult journey back, Washington is jotting all this down, writing it in his diary. This is going to become important because this is how Franklin learns of George Washington. So this is something that happened on their way back. They met a party of friendly natives who had recently come across a scene of a massacre of a British settlers family with the parents and 5 children scalped and their bodies left to be eaten by their hogs it was the sort of tragedy that had often occurred on the frontier during the last war between the French and the British and would become common again during the coming war.
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And this is also the historical event that's going to throw Franklin and Washington together for the first time within a year, Pennsylvania and Virginia would stand at the center of a widening war. Their citizens would turn to Franklin in Washington for leadership and by doing so would bring together these 2 men. So Washington gets back to Virginia he the governor sees Washington's diary or journal and decides to have it published recognizing the propaganda value of Washington's account, Dinwiddie immediately ordered it published for wide distribution. It was named the Journal of Major George Washington. Almost overnight, this publication transformed the young militia officer into a frontier hero.
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And why is that important? Because Franklin is going to read this. The published version of Washington's journal reached Philadelphia and found an interested reader in Ben Franklin. And this is why a gifted advocate for any cause that he favored, Franklin saw an ally in Washington and recognized the value of his journal in alerting Pennsylvanians to the threat posed by the French. Franklin clearly endorsed Washington's efforts and embraced his call to arms.
Speaker 2
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The lives of Franklin and Washington began intertwining and they would not stop intertwining until the death of Ben Franklin keep in mind this time Franklin is 48 years old Washington is 22 and the reason that is important is because so the pictures that we primarily know them as so I'm thinking of the 1 that's on the dollar that Washington not being on the dollar bill and Washington or city and Franklin on the hundred dollar bill at that point Washington 64 years old and Franklin is almost 80 that is not what they look like when they start I mean they're in the case of Washington He's an extremely young man and Franklin still has almost 40 years left of life I think he dies when he's 84 years old and so I have a bunch of notes about this book just trying to figure out how old are they at this point in history. And because there's a lot of points were like I remember just the idea I remember what it's like to be 21 years old right and so the idea that the governor of Virginia is like yeah go 6 weeks on the 6 weeks crazy journey go confront the French and if so like engage them in battle and then him being only 21 and put in charge of this operation is just mind blowing and we see some of the mistakes that Washington makes and he calls the mistakes of his entire life.
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It's just he's a brash 22-year-old. What would you could possibly expect this an example Washington's troops grew Drew first blood in what would become the global 7 more 7 years war between the British and French Empires the British colonists called this the French and Indian War and they had never seen such carnage. And so Washington is default aggressive this winds up not benefiting him at this point with ill advised bravado Washington led his small band relentlessly forward even into a battle where you clearly can't win and so the note I was thinking about when I got to this point the book is like it's interesting to think of Washington as a brash 22 year old instead of the old man that's on the dollar. And since a large part of this book has to do with the French and Indian War and the American Revolutionary War you could imagine there is an insane amount of violence in it. Here's an example they wind up winning this small battle against the French and so they're both Both sides are fighting with they have both have Native American allies.
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And so this is this is what happens when Washington wins this small battle. The Native American split the officer's skull with a tomahawk and scooped out his brains. The native warriors then scalped all the following Frenchman. Washington stopped them from scalping the survivors. So 2 things come to mind at this point in the book 1 imagine if you saw such carnage up close at such a young age that is going to affect you for the rest of your life you literally saw somebody get their head split open with a tomahawk and then their brain scooped out of their skull and then the second thing is as I'm reading this book during the day about a year or 2 ago I read Cormac McCarthy's novel Blood Meridian and so for the past like week or 2 I've been listening to listen to the audiobook in like 30-minute chunks and that is it's a novel but it's based on historical events that happened about a hundred years after where we are in this book at this point in history right and it's following a group of scalp hunters and this entire book is just constantly talking about the carnage that you're seeing the scalping and that maybe researchers like why is this like what is happening here like why is why was this so prevalent and so I went back and looked and I had no idea before that but like there is substantial archaeological evidence of scalping in like North America that goes back as early as 600 AD.
Speaker 2
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So over a thousand years earlier than where we are in the story and then they found evidence of scalping 5, 000 years ago in parts of Europe. And so I'm not going to keep reading all the examples of this going on in the book. Just know it's prevalent. I think you get the idea by this point. But it is something that is in human nature and that is seen throughout history over and over again.
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Not just in this French and Indian War. The French are going to rebound. They're going to wind up routing Washington. This is his first defeat. And at this point, keep in mind, Washington obviously does not have the leadership skills that he's going to possess later on.
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And this is an example of that. A third of his defenders were dead or wounded. Many of the survivors were drunk and all of their horses and cattle had been slaughtered by enemy fire. When the French commander offered reasonable terms for capitulation, Washington had little choice but to accept them." And this is what I referenced earlier where Washington will reference this later on his life. He's like, listen, I made every possible every mistake possible.
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He did so poorly he thought his his military career was over. And so Franklin had a different interpretation. He winds up reading about these reports and realize, okay, we have a gigantic problem on the western frontier. This could lead to danger in our colonies. We have to group together And so says Franklin saw Washington's on-the-ground reports from the frontier as proof that the 13 colonies needed to join in common cause And so this is where Franklin Washington And a bunch of other people are going to that.
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They're the ones convincing him. Hey, we got a group together here We're we're big trouble Franklin began shopping around an idea earlier An earlier idea from an intercolonial defensive Confederation. That is what they were calling it This was the first step towards a sort of union that would let that that Franklin would later work on with Washington to craft. And before I get to Ben Franklin making the first meme, think about this, he's almost
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50.
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He's already a successful entrepreneur, successful scientist, writer, and now he focuses his talent on the most important project of his life. And something he will be working on in 1 form or another for the next 34 years until he dies. So this is what I mean about he made the first meme beneath this appeal so he's printing he's writing he's saying this we need to band together we're going to be in trouble beneath this appeal he printed the first original editorial cartoon in any American newspaper and perhaps the most famous ever published it showed a rattlesnake cut into pieces with the name of a colony on each severed part. Join or die. The caption read.
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And what's fascinating is this idea that Franklin is proposing right now. It is the rough outline, right? This is an idea that is going to actually be lead to the founding of America. And so it says, though he was sometimes dismissed as more of a practitioner than a visionary, Franklin's biographer Walter Isaacson later wrote, Franklin had helped to devise a federal concept, 1 that was orderly, balanced and enlightened, that would eventually form the basis of a unified nation a unified American nation he never gave up on this vision he carried this idea all the way to the Constitutional Convention the Constitutional Convention is does not take place For from 30 more years into the future than where we are in the story. That's insane Frankly remain convinced that the plan would have sufficed to defend the colonies against the French But instead Britain now they're fast-forwarding about why he why he applied that same idea against the French He's eventually gonna play the same idea against Britain, right?
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And so he remains convinced that the plan would have sufficed to defend the colonies against the French, but instead Britain was forced to intervene at such great cost that it led to the taxes that touched off a revolution. And so why is that important? Because this is obviously Franklin has deep historical knowledge and this is what Franklin later said. But such mistakes are not new. Franklin later sighed.
Speaker 2
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History is full of the errors of states and princes. And so obviously from Franklin's perspective was if you guys didn't push this we would have been fine being loyal colonists to the British crown But the fact that you abuse us that you tax us without representation that you essentially treated us as unfree people Forced our hand and led to a bloody revolution So much to Washington's surprise Even though he did what he considered failed disastrously there the the British are sending more people back out to fight the French and They put this guy general Braddock in in charge of that Braddock say hey, Washington, you know the land not only because you were a surveyor, but you've also gone out here. I need you to come and advise me. And this Braddock guy is going to be arrogant and the arrogance is going to cause his own death. Their work with Braddock brought Franklin and Washington together for the first time.
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So as we'll see like that in the division of labor between these 2 Washington is going to be on the battlefield. Franklin is going to be the 1 getting the supplies for them doing all the treaties like essentially like making sure they have everything they need. Franklin's the 1 that got Braddock and Washington these wagons that they needed which I mentioned at the very beginning by this time each man knew each other by reputation Washington must have read about Franklin who was by then the most famous colonist in the British Empire and So Franklin's going to talk to Braddock and this is something that's come up over and over again in the history of entrepreneurship, and I don't understand why we keep making the same mistake, never underestimate your opponent. It is all downside and no upside. There's example after example of this.
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It seems to me like if you're going to compete head-to-head with somebody just assume that they are smarter than you more well equipped in you that they're better than you in some way even if it's not true but the idea that you should underestimate your opponent is silly Franklin is warning Braddock listen and in Washington warns him to Franklin warned Franklin later commented when he warned the general about the risk of ambush by native warriors on the long march to the fort He recalled Braddock saying smugly replying listen to this These savages may indeed Be a formidable enemy to your raw American militias, but upon the King's regular and disciplined troops, sir It is impossible that they should make an impression. They're gonna kill this dude Washington would later give Braddock a similar warning to the same effect So again underestimating your opponents all downside no upside Braddock is going to get killed because of this. And so they get right into this battle with the French and their Native American allies. This is going to go on for like 4 or 5 pages. There is just so many lessons on here and it's important to know these lessons are coming from yet another defeat Washington became invaluable as a frontier military guide who best knew the terrain ahead Braddock invited Washington on to his personal staff so the reason that's important is because Washington is going to witness everything that's about to happen here.
Speaker 2
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And that's important because about 25 about 20-25 years in the future he's going to be the 1 in charge of the army during the American Revolution and avoid a lot of these same mistakes. And so Braddock's like hey we have nothing to worry about we're more disciplined yeah but you're going into an environment that you're not trained for. The Native Americans in this case have been living and hunting and warring in this environment for generations. And so when I got to this part of the book, I'm gonna read this quote from Charlie Munger that made me think, because I'm like in the business context of what's happening here. And it's really about the fact that Braddock and the rest of his troops, they got outside of their circle of competence.
Speaker 2
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And so Charlie says, if you play games where other people have the aptitudes and you don't, you're going to lose. That's as close to certain as any prediction that you can make. And so the British have been traveling to this area to fight the Native Americans. The Native Americans have been posted up there for a while. They're tired.
Speaker 2
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It says the British were tired from their march and anxious in their surroundings while the natives were fresh and at home in the forest. They are well within their circle competence and they're about to roll right through you hear the 2 armies met without warning. The natives found the British to be easy targets the British were trained to stand together and fire at a and fire at a similarly ordered enemy soldiers. The British in turn, excuse me, instead found themselves exposed. And worse, there were no obvious targets for return fire.
Speaker 2
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So it's like, listen, When you're fighting in Europe, you guys might agree to meet up in a field and then have this like orderly gentlemanly battle But you can't the Native Americans and the French that are with them are hiding behind trees Like they're attacking not from the front. They're flanking them from the left, flanking them to the right They get behind them And what's worse is the British were relying on their supreme discipline, right? Well, what happens is when you see a lot of your friends and leaders dying right in front of you What happens they ran away the survivors retreated in a more panic and an even more panic state Washington however Remained remarkably calm under fire and this is what he said about this time later on I had been protected beyond all probability and expectation What does that mean? I had 4 bullets through my coat and 2 horses shot under me yet. I escaped unhurt How bad was this battle the British lost?
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976 people and the other side lost 40 and This is a great description about how lopsided this was you might as well send a cow in pursuit of a rabbit The Indians were accustomed to these woods So Braddock is shot. He knows he's dying. He gives Washington an order. Braddock ordered Washington to ride through the night to their support column and instruct its commander to cover their retreat. And then this is another example of just remember Washington super young and imagine having all the stuff he already has already seen now this like a year or 2 later and he's got to do this shocking.
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Just graphic that diminish people dying everywhere this description of that the shocking scenes this is Washington's description of that I should say the shocking scenes which presented themselves in this night's March are not to be described the dead the dying the groans and Cries along the road of the wounded for help were enough to pierce the heart All of those unable to walk were left to die or to be killed. I think it's important to pause right here. Think about that. This is going to be the most decorated like military leader in early American history and so far everything we've seen from his early career is just 1 failure after another. So word is going to spread of this defeat.
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That's going to freak out all the people in the colony. They're worried that their superior military force right on the western frontier. We need to prepare our cities for the eventual attack. This brings Franklin and Washington into close working contact. And so I just want to pull out 1 paragraph here because it really just demonstrates Franklin was like 1 of these rare universal geniuses.
Speaker 2
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He's successful at tasks like he have no experience with. And so he's put in charge. So Washington is going to be put in charge of Virginia's defenses and Franklin's going to be put in charge of Pennsylvania's defenses. It says, uh, taking extreme precautions against ambush, Franklin oversaw the construction of a stockade. When finished, he directed the erection of 2 more stockades, 1 15 miles east and 1 15 miles west, resulting in a line of forts that garrisoned that were garrisoned by some 500 men securing Pennsylvania's northern frontier confronted with a military crisis unprecedented unprecedented in Pennsylvania's history Franklin's strategy worked.
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So George Washington gets to Philadelphia Franklin make sure to meet with them because he's like listen, you have knowledge that I value, I need to know what the opponent is, what you saw there. So it says the 2 met often and would discuss frontier defenses. And this part was especially interesting because they have similar jobs and yet We get to compare and contrast how they go about doing that during these months when each committed forces in their own colony Franklin exhibited a different style of leadership from Washington Franklin spent his time on the frontier sleeping with his men on cabin floors and sharing food He would describe himself as totally ignorant of military ceremonies and above all above all averse to making a show and parade even though he was the leader Washington was like described as like a political actor he would look the part he wouldn't tell you what he's thinking he definitely wouldn't like fraternize with the man he would lead them but Franklin's like hanging out with them and Franklin is also like there's so many examples in in this book but I'm really anytime you study about Franklin's just like he's just so clever and had a very adept understanding of human nature and what motivated people and how to get Like how to convince you and get get you to do what he wanted done by by understanding what you were motivated by And so Washington was all about like discipline and and like punishment Franklin didn't take that approach at all Franklin in contrast gained cooperation by reasoned appeals and pragmatic solutions such as when he boosted chapel attendance raised like we want more of our troops to go to church.
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He boosted chapel attendance by authorizing the military to distribute rum after the divine services that many laugh where Washington's regiment was chronically undermanned, Franklin's was oversubscribed. They had precisely the same job, to secure the frontier. But Franklin also respected Washington because he knew he couldn't do, like He couldn't dedicate his life to doing what Washington's doing. He says, for his part, Franklin always saw Washington as the better commander. And so I'm going to skip over a lot of the war.
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Obviously, we know that Britain is going to win. It takes, you know, 7 or 9 years, whatever the case was. They're eventually going to win the French in any war. But there's a lesson that both Franklin and Washington learned during this part that is going to eventually ripple throughout history Says a final shared lesson carried weight despite the war's ultimate outcome the British were beatable in new world combat This gave us Americans the first suspicion that the exalted ideas of the prowess of British soldiers was not well founded. So it's like you have this reputation because you're this gigantic superpower, this world empire, and yet we're seeing you on the battlefield.
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00:32:58 - 00:33:42
It's like, oh, wait a minute. They're beatable. Franklin wrote of Braddock's defeat. Washington had been there to see it and to report that in frontier fighting Virginia soldiers actually outperformed British troops if put to the test they might do so again Which is exactly what's going to happen What is like a decade or 2 into the future and the author does a great job of describing why this is so important why this let these lessons were so important these shared lessons helped to nurture the revolutionary spirit that would bring Franklin and Washington back together a quarter century later to fight for and forge a new American nation. I think that also demonstrates why it's so important to constantly learn and read every day like I read every day.
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00:33:42 - 00:34:15
I have no idea when I'll use this information. I just know that it's likely to come in handy at some point in the future. That's not very different from the lessons from the shared experience that both Washington and Franklin had that's going to come in handy 25 years into the future. Okay, so after the war they go their separate ways and they're actually brought back together by an event that they had no control over. It says their paths might have never crossed again except for the Stamp Act crisis which erupted in 1765 after Parliament imposed taxes directly on the colonists.
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00:34:15 - 00:34:34
It jarred their interests back into alignment and set them on parallel political courses. Yet neither of them saw it coming. So there's a few ideas that are starting to combine. 1 I already told you about, which is the fact that they thought British troops were probably overrated. And then there's going to be an economic depression that makes them realize.
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00:34:34 - 00:35:02
Hey, maybe a merit the American economy could actually be self-sufficient. So it says the end of wartime military spending couple with a European bank panic triggered a business downturn That engulfed all the colonies in an economic depression that persisted for most of the decade. And so that throws Washington into debt. And this is what he tries to do to get out of it. Washington began the process of turning his plantation from raising tobacco for export to growing wheat for domestic sale.
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America could get along with less reliance on Britain. He started to grass. And so you have an economic depression. Then you have the British trying to tax the American colonists and Franklin rightly so saw their decision just as really stupid and costly. Franklin cared more about doing what was right than defending abstract rights.
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To him, the Stamp Act's predictable adverse impact on commerce and imperial relations made it wrong for Britain and the colonies. And so what does Franklin mean by adverse imperial relations? Well, when you have the anger over unfair economic conditions is 1 completely predictable and 2, if it's unresolved, it's going to lead to violence, which is exactly what happens. And so there's a mob of American colonists that go and try to target the people that the people in power who they saw as like agents for the British. Boston exploded first organized working class mobs destroyed the homes of Hutchinson and Andrew Oliver.
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The protesters threatened worse if Oliver did not resign. He did. Taking refuge in an offshore British fort, the colony's royal governor ordered drummers to call out the local militia to restore order, only to learn that the drummers had joined the mob. So had much of the militia. The sheriff refused to intervene.
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00:36:24 - 00:37:13
Similar scenarios started to play out everywhere. And so I'm going to skip over a bunch of events that lit that are going to lead to the war between America and Britain but really I want to get to the punchline because I think this part is the most important part and it's also I think the principle can apply to a bunch of different domains it says for the first time the colonists began thinking of themselves more as citizens of their colonies than as subjects of Parliament Franklin and Washington observed this important shift in others and felt it within themselves. And really the principle there is like if you could understand that understanding what what people believe is pivotal to understanding why they do what they do. And so at this point in the story, this is when Ben Franklin and George Washington become partners in a revolution. Think of Franklin as the wise old statesman.
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Pennsylvania added him to its congressional delegation. At age 69, he was the oldest delegate from any colony. Washington is 43. America's most experienced diplomat and its best known soldier brought the skills that other delegates now knew were needed. They would work closely until the war's end.
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00:37:33 - 00:37:45
And so there's 2 things that are happening here. It's really interesting. 1 is, how did Washington view this? Like, at this point in history, what did he think? And it says, 1 of Washington's biographers captured his view of the American Revolution.
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00:37:45 - 00:38:23
Essentially, he saw the conflict as a struggle for power in which the colonist, if victorious, destroyed British pretensions of superiority and won control over half a continent. And then the second thing is a thought that was spawned from these 2 sentences. Washington was the obvious pick. He had more military experience than any other member of Congress what they're talking about he's the obvious pick to lead the Continental Army and that made me jot down how do you make yourself the obvious pick and so for our purposes we're not fighting war but we are building products and services for other people. So how do we make it obvious that we are the 1 that they should choose?
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00:38:24 - 00:39:14
And then something jumped out at me when you read about all the things that Franklin was asked to do by Congress. And what I wrote down is that Franklin's like a Swiss Army knife. Congress asked Franklin, its sole scientist, to serve on a committee to devise ways to manufacture saltpeter for gunpowder. He also chaired a committee to reestablish postal services among the colonies, which led to his appointment as Postmaster General. Franklin was also a master communicator in a times of war you could think of him as a master propagandist this is an example of that so Franklin writes this piece that is meant to be read back in Britain and it says Britain at the expense of 3000000 dollars has killed 150 Yankees this campaign which is 20, 000 ahead and for this battle she gained a mile of ground from this data he asked readers to calculate the time and expense necessary to kill us all and conquer our whole territory.
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00:39:15 - 00:39:46
And 1 of the things that's so remarkable about Ben Franklin during this time period, and really for the rest of his life, he's got another 14 years of living, is how much he sacrificed for the American Revolution because he was old at this time. He would turn 70 during this period and doubted whether he would survive the war. Yet he took on a staggering number of tasks for Congress and his colony. No delegate had a wider range of expertise and experience to bring to the effort. This is what Franklin said, I am immersed in so much business that I have scarce time to eat or sleep.
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00:39:46 - 00:40:01
My time has never been more fully employed. This is more on the sacrifices that Franklin and Washington both have to make and they knew they're burning the boats at this point. Like if we fail, they're going to die. They're going to kill us. The revolution utterly disordered domestic life for both families.
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After leaving his estate in 1775, Washington did not see it again until
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1781
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and then only briefly, so that's 6 years. Franklin ultimately spent more time away from his home for wartime service in Washington because he's got to go to Europe. And they knew it was life or death. We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children. We are determined to preserve them or die.
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00:40:25 - 00:40:33
And this is something that Franklin repeated in memorable ways multiple times. This is an example of when they're signing the Declaration of Independence on July 4th,
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1776,
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when Congress's President John Hancock signed the parchment copy with a stern warning to his fellow delegates. We must all hang together, Franklin added the pithy retort, or most assuredly, we will all hang separately. And what's remarkable about this book is like a very compact. So now is a dual biography of Washington and Franklin at certain points in their life. But it's like a very compact history of the Revolutionary War and just how bad it was going for so long.
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00:41:04 - 00:41:16
And there's just many examples are like, oh, they lost. Here's 1. It says so far. The Americans had been outmanned outgunned and outgeneraled at every turn with worse to come. Here's seen on the musical Hamilton.
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00:41:16 - 00:42:21
It's on Disney plus now, but there's a fantastic line from Hamilton that made me think of this part of the book where it's like how does a ragtag volunteer army in need of a shower somehow defeat a global superpower and it's this idea Like up until this point they were outmanned outgunned and out-generaled at every turn And this is where the previous few decades of experience that washington had comes in handy because it's like this strategy is not working We're gonna die Since between captures casualties disease and desertion Washington's army had dwindled to scarcely a few thousand soldiers fit for duty. I think the game is pretty near up, he said. So he decides to be bold. The impending deadline forced Washington to gamble. On Christmas night, 1776, in a desperate effort to restore morale and regain the initiative, Washington took his army back across the ice-choked Delaware River and captured the Hessian garrison at Trenton, New Jersey, buying more time by paying each man who would take it a $10 bounty for an extra 6 weeks service because their their contracts with the Continental Army were set to expire New Year's Day 1777.
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00:42:22 - 00:42:54
So he had less than a week when he did this. Washington then held off a British British counterattack and routed a British force in Princeton. And then this is where 1 of these like weird European military like war customs actually worked to the advantage of the Americans at the time European armies typically spent the winter in quarters a custom both sides followed throughout the American Revolution. The American Revolution. And so that was important because now, even if you have a little bit of like momentum at the very end there, Britain's winning the war.
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00:42:54 - 00:43:12
And now you have a several month break to to to like figure out your strategy. And so he realizes like we're trying to fight them on their terms. We need to use almost like guerrilla warfare. Washington used the winter to reassess and revise his army structure and strategy because both were faulty. And so he's going to pull an idea from history and copy it.
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00:43:12 - 00:43:36
Washington now favored adopting a so-called Fabian military strategy, which was named after the Roman general Quintus Fabius who wore down a superior Carthaginian army through a war of attrition. Desperate diseases require desperate remedies Washington said. So just think of this is like guerrilla warfare. We're gonna pick our battles. We're not gonna meet you in open field.
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We're gonna hit you real hard. We're gonna disappear. We're gonna disrupt your supply lines. We're gonna try to focus on destroying morale. And the other side, it doesn't realize that the game has changed.
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00:43:45 - 00:44:23
So they're being led by this guy named how how dithered trying to lure Washington into an open fight and this failed and How is also going to compound this mistake? But not by focusing on the wrong thing and it this this was a mistake that was obvious to Franklin at the time How failed to recognize that armies and not cities were critical in this war. Howe was focused on, hey, let's try to take Philadelphia, let's try to take these different cities. Howe had bypassed Washington's force to assault Philadelphia. Franklin immediately recognized the shortsightedness of Howe's occupying a city with little strategic importance, no established defensive perimeter, and many indifferent residents.
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00:44:23 - 00:45:21
And this is what Franklin said, you mistake the matter. Instead of how taking Philadelphia, Philadelphia has taken how. And then Franklin also does something really smart here because again this is very difficult on Washington and he write Franklin writes him a letter and really words of encouragement are valuable and their power should not be underestimated by any means. I always think of many people don't know that Henry Ford's first 2 companies went bankrupt and he idolized Thomas Edison he want to be able to meet Edison and we told Edison about his invention the internal combustion engine and his desire to make like a an inexpensive car for every person Edison said like you have it you have the thing young man keep at it and forward we talk about for the rest of his life how he just he was energized by Edison's words of encouragement and it really helped Him put persevere and not give up. We're seeing a similar dynamic here by Franklin, you know Edison was much older than Franklin or soon Edison was much older and forward and now Franklin's much older than Washington.
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00:45:21 - 00:45:57
And he says, you would enjoy that you enjoy a great reputation that you have acquired. He's talking about people in France being impressed with what Washington is being able to do, given the meager army resources he's been given. He wrote in words that surely cheered Washington up during a dark period of the war. I frequently hear the old generals of this country who study the maps of America and mark upon them all of your operations speak with great applause at your conduct. With experience and through mistakes, Washington was learning how to lead soldiers in battle and armies in war and Franklin wanted him to know that it was recognized and appreciated.
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00:45:59 - 00:46:38
And what's remarkable is right before they win The last year of the war might have been the worst all who we always talk about Mark Andreessen's quote where he said like when you're running a startup you only have to you only experience 2 emotions euphoria and terror. While Washington's experiencing all terror and no euphoria, his army was chronically undermanned, poorly clothed, short on equipment and supplies, and sometimes near starvation. Soldiers and officers alike often went without pay. They had survived on half rations since the fall, but by winter the Army's exhausted stores could not supply even this reduced amount. With heavy snows blocking access, hunger thinned the troops.
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00:46:38 - 00:47:09
By spring, desertion was rampant and mutiny was in the air. The 1780 to 1781 winter came close to breaking the army. And it's as if things can't get worse, they always can. Then 1 of Washington's most trusted officers, Benedict Arnold, offered to sell out the American defensive line around New York for $20, 000 and a commission in the Royal Army. The plot shocked soldiers and officers alike." And then this is 1 of the craziest sentences in the entire book.
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00:47:09 - 00:47:38
By soldiering on for 1 more year, Washington's army, destitute and half-naked, turned the world upside down. Imagine the difference in world history if they had quit before this point. And this is detail about what Franklin did to cover George Washington's back. Franklin did as much as anyone to bring the momentous events of 1781. He held the alliance together despite his advanced age and crippling bouts with gout and gall and kidney stones.
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00:47:39 - 00:48:09
He provided financial aid, naval support, arms, equipment, and troops. He arranged shipments of uniforms for the poorly clothed and partly shoeless American army. He purchased war material from European suppliers and negotiated for the care and release of prisoners of war that were currently held in Britain. Franklin also oversaw American Navy ships operating from France. He vetted European military officers seeking commissions in the American Army, helped American states secure loans from France, and conducted back-channel peace talks with British contacts.
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00:48:10 - 00:49:03
Franklin reported that he had never worked harder in his life. Certainly, no 1 else could have represented America abroad as Franklin did, the historian Gordon Wood concluded. He was the greatest diplomat That America has ever had Less than 12 months later America was an independent country Absolutely incredible And then Washington writes this letter this very famous letter. I'm going to read my note first and then I'll read what he wrote It's an empire in idea only he is not describing America as it is now, but as it could be 1 day And so it says America's could forge this is Washington writing Americans could forge a more perfect Union an empire of states capable of taking its place among the great nations of the world. He viewed the United States in that way regularly calling it an empire rather than a League of States during the Confederation period.
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00:49:04 - 00:49:38
The term was singular, not plural. This letter, which Washington depicted as the legacy of 1 man who has ardently wished to be useful to his country, read as his farewell to the people. Then he was gone, racing toward Mount Vernon. Unlike countless revolutionary generals before and after him, Washington retired. So as Washington goes back to Mount Vernon Franklin still in France.
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00:49:38 - 00:49:44
He's got to be there to make sure this to get this thing's it's wrapped up. This is just unbelievable. Keep in mind. He's almost
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80
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As if to prove his comment in his 1784 letter about his mind still being sharp, during the period between the preliminary peace deal with Britain, which happens in November 1782, and when he leaves France in July 1785, so, you know, 2 and a half years later, in addition to negotiating treaties of friendship with various nations and performing his duties as ambassador, Franklin resumed his pursuits in science and technology. In a remarkably original deduction, he attributed the unusually cold winter of 1783 in Europe to the atmospheric impact of emissions from an Icelandic volcano. He also proposed the concept of daylight saving time, invented bifocals, and played a role in the origins of human flight via hydrogen-filled balloons. So eventually he gets back to Philadelphia. I've talked about this idea with you over and over again, the fact that books are the original links.
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00:50:41 - 00:51:33
They lead us from 1 idea to another, 1 person to another, 1 book to another. So I just found a biography on this guy named Robert Morris who was actually the richest person in America at the time of the Revolution And I just has not really nothing to do that the story other than I thought it was interesting So I just want to read this 1 quick paragraph in 1785 a sailing ship that was built during the war and owned by a syndicate led by Philadelphia merchant Robert Morris returned from China with the first direct commerce between the world's newest republic and its oldest empire. And really most of my highlights for the rest of the book are just really about the unique way that Franklin thought and his approach to life. This is building for the sake of building and then just him commenting that a lot can change in 1 lifetime. He added to his house a three-story wing featuring a first-floor dining area that could seat 24 people and a massive second-floor library and scientific study.
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00:51:33 - 00:52:06
All this might seem improper for someone of his age, Franklin acknowledged, but we are apt to forget that we have grown old and building is an amusement. Then he wrote a letter to his sister that really demonstrates how much can change in a lifetime. Writing to his sister with his house complete, he marveled at his good fortune. When I look at this building, my dear sister, and compare it with that in which our good parents educated us, the difference strikes me with wonder. And so at this point, he's largely bedridden, but he's just got a fantastic perspective.
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00:52:06 - 00:53:12
"...when I consider how many terrible diseases the human body is liable to, I comfort myself that only 3 incurable ones have fallen to me. The gout, the stone, the kidney stone, and old age, and that these have not yet deprived me of my natural cheerfulness, my delight in books, and my enjoyment of social conversation. People who live long, who will drink the cup of life to the very bottom, must expect to meet with some of the usual dregs, " he wrote. And this is Franklin on the importance of getting the executive right, and he knew from history that the clever ones will always find a way to expand their power. 4 days later, with the discussion still raging, Franklin said, with reference to Washington and the presidency the first man to be put at the helm will be a good 1 nobody knows what sort may come afterwards the executive will always be increasing from here as elsewhere till it ends in a monarchy twice Franklin defended the power to impeach corrupt presidents against those like Governor Morris who would put them above the law during their terms in office.
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00:53:12 - 00:53:50
It would be the best way, Franklin explained, to provide in the Constitution for the regular punishment of the executive when his misconduct should deserve it." And then it's only fitting that their last meeting ever occurs when Washington is on his way to serve as the first president and Franklin is dying. Infirm to the point of being virtually bedridden, Franklin could not attend public events for Washington but received him at his home. No record remains of what was said even though both surely knew that it would be their last meeting. Franklin's mind was sharp until the very end. This is the death of Benjamin Franklin.
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00:53:50 - 00:54:12
Physically, he assured his daughter shortly before his death he was ready to go. But mentally, never. Franklin died at his home with his oldest grandchildren holding his hands. When news of Franklin's death reached France, the National Assembly decreed 3 days of mourning and a flood of tributes ensued. In Philadelphia, nearly
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20, 000
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mourners turned out for Franklin's funeral procession, more than had ever gathered in the city. Franklin was the rare prophet honored both at home and abroad. And then Washington died shortly after his second term in office. Back at his beloved Mount Vernon in 1787, Washington threw himself into farming and even became a whiskey distiller. No product ever netted him a larger return on his investment than whiskey.
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00:54:39 - 00:54:58
His distillery became the largest in the United States. While out for a ride in the snow, Washington had contracted epiglottis, which no available medical treatment could cure. He accepted his fate. I die hard, but I'm not afraid to go, he said at dusk. The end came late that night.
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00:54:58 - 00:55:26
His final words were, it is well. And I'll close with how similar Franklin and Washington were. Focusing on their distinct public images obscures their fundamental similarities. Hard-working and entrepreneurial, Franklin and Washington had successful business careers outside of government and never viewed themselves primarily as politicians. Both prospered as colonists and supported royal rule until realizing that Britain would not extend basic rights to Americans.
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00:55:27 - 00:55:49
They turned against the crown and never looked back. Each nurtured deep, lifelong relationships. Natural leaders, people trusted them and they trusted others. Both men listened more than they talked, compromised on means to secure ends, relied on others, sacrificed for the common good, and never wavered on principle. And both were reformers.
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00:55:49 - 00:56:15
They saw problems and they tried to fix them. Franklin and Washington shared a faith that relied on human reason and divine providence rather than traditional ways and established dogmas. They sought truth and accepted facts. Life could get better, they believed, and theirs did. As the old order collapsed around them, they crafted a better 1 to replace it, 1 that has lasted for more than 2 centuries.
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00:56:16 - 00:56:49
They did not see it as perfect. The example of Franklin and Washington shows what individuals can do in times of faction, fracture, and failure to address problems and improve the state of affairs. We will not be driven by fear, the legendary broadcast journalist Edward R. Murrow would later say about Americans. If we dig deep in our history and our doctrine and remember that we are not descended from fearful men, Murrow surely had the likes of Franklin and Washington in mind.
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