Taken from JRE #1905 w/Derek,MPMD:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/1W3USNVf6PhGUBz3vRFhLw?si=5b75d6a4af784db2

Yeah Boy when I saw that video that you posted You actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it.

I caught it within 3 minutes of you posting it.

It seems completely makes sense, but that's exactly what I expected.

Yeah, it seemed like just a matter of time for him.

There's no way you can look like that in your 40s.

That Jack, I mean, he's preposterously Jack.

Do we have a fucking, now that we know that he's full of shit, we're talking about the liver king, by the way, ladies and gentlemen.

A lot of people are like, what are they saying?

There's a guy, if you don't know who the liver King is the guy calls himself the liver King And he's this guy who walks around everywhere with no shirt on I've seen him in Vegas with no shirt on big bushy beard super jacked and he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by Sunning his balls He he literally lays down with his asshole staring at the Sun and and eats raw liver and just lifts like a maniac and that's how he's so jacked.

Yeah, too many polar extremes to have just like a unique marketing spin that was just highly viral in my opinion.

And I don't know, Most people could see through it but at the same time he would Like there was a lot of big names that even reached out to me after the video came out and they were like, you know I didn't think he was natural but this guy literally right to my face would say like blatantly I am natural and like a lot of people will take a guy at its word at his word when it's like a private Conversation and if he's straight-up telling you in person, yeah, it's actually legit I'm natural and he was just lying through his fucking teeth seemingly

There's some people that are really jacked that are natural for sure Some people that are like super super disciplined they you know they're taking supplements but all legal supplements that you get it like a vitamin store and they're just like They've never gotten off the grind and who's that guy Paul Sklar?

Yeah, he actually Did blood work like immediately after I had talked about it 1 time and it checked out

Yeah, like I if you don't know who that guy is, he's super jacked and he's 50 years old.

But when I'm looking at him, I am not getting any steroidy vibes.

I'm getting a really fit guy who works out really hard and has probably been doing it for 30 years.

Yeah, that's that's what I get when I look at that guy That's all feasible and possible now, please go to the liver King Please show me some preposterous liver King Physiology.

He comes clean on steroids you I fucked up.

see some images though I want to see some images of his body because his body is just so off the charts ridiculously massive That's okay, but

I want to I want to show some of him like jacked and lifting because he's just fucking gigantic.

So he did cover the ab implants and etching again he said no to both even in his apology.

Is it po- I mean I guess it's possible if you're on that much juice that your ab muscles grow that big too.

Cause, the kind of stuff he does is, you know, very core specific.

Like, he's doing a lot of stuff where he's like cleaning and pressing kettlebells and walking with them over his head and all that stuff really does ignite your core.

And if he's doing that all the time, I would imagine it's possible that those are real abs.

Yeah, personally, I think they're legitimate abs.

And the etching thing, I think, is more of the controversial topic.

Did he have some sort of cosmetic work done to target locally the fat around the abdominal definition?

Would that make much of a difference though?

Because he's very lean clearly if you look at his arms, you look at his chest look at everything like look at that image Right there.

mean how much fat Would you even be talking about and how would that make the thing is the topographical map of his abs?

Yeah, the way they pop up like mountains.

Yeah, that's where the question of whether or not That's real or whether or not their Implants

that's what I was leaning to is just like I feel like his overall body composition is pretty consistently Represented I don't think he has like just like I get that his The argument is they don't change in like when he sits down or anything the density of them and like the separation is so dramatic that it's got to be something

and You know you could never really say if it was well done like what did or didn't happen I don't think it's implants though That would be really obvious in my opinion.

Well granted then it's like well if it's unnoticeable, would you even?

Are you guys able to play the apology without it being caught?

Sure We can play it for I don't know what like this Spotify copyright.

if you put it on YouTube, you're more than allowed to here goes liver cake confession let's open a terrible sound is it a connection issue yeah that's happened before what is that I

a Lot of people believed him including the Bell brothers Chris and Mark Bell like wow guys you 2 steroids How do you not?

I think mark likes to think that a lot of people like he again he doesn't want to put a Is it working or?

Like a limitation on what's possible like he likes to believe that you could and again because this the problem with this too is a lot Of people will extrapolate this out and then think everyone with a jacked physique must be doing something Which is problematic because then it sort of creates this

this narrative around You know everyone's lying or anyone with a good physique.

It's impossible to get there without Yeah, doping your fucking face off kind of thing which is not the case there are certain individuals who like I do believe that physique Okay, maybe not Maybe not that physique, but like within striking distance of that in 0 point 00001 percent of individuals You could get there naturally yeah, potentially Hyper-responders

yeah guys who are just like ridiculous genetics

yes, yeah perfect example Yeah, Ronnie Coleman natural was super jacked, but he couldn't compete with the most jacked guys and then he started doing steroids

but he's super honest about it like when Ronnie talks about it he just will explain like up until he was 30 years old he was natural yeah So can we get it or is it?

Because I'm embarrassed and ashamed, it sounds fucking terrible.

there's something wrong with my cable for some reason.

I'm looking at the audio on my feed and it's not.

Is it the cable or is it how it connects?

I've stated that this is a complicated as fuck topic, at least to me it is.

Because before social media, I was rich and anonymous.

And after social media, I'm still rich, but no longer anonymous.

And I never expected this kind of exposure in the public eye.

And I'm here now to set the record straight.

Yes, I've done steroids and yes, I'm on steroids and I'm being managed by a trained hormone clinician.

Lurking the public figure was an experiment to spread the message, to bring awareness to the 4,000 people a day who kill themselves, the 80,000 people a day that try to kill themselves.

Our people are hurting at record rates with depression, autoimmune, anxiety, infertility, low ambition in life.

Our young men are hurting the most, feeling lost, weak, and submissive.

So I made it my job to not teach and preach.

hurting people come on Derek the comments are not too favorable on that

Pause Your highest and most dominant form What he that He wanted everybody that's depressed and trying to kill themselves to reach their highest, most dominant form, but he wanted to lie about how he achieved his physique.

So mislead these people that just by eating liver you can come close to that So as you fail at that as well as everything else you failed at life that led you to the point of doing Something to yourself that you're thinking about committing suicide.

He had like a very good opportunity to just straight-up say Sorry, I fucked up etc.

Which I think he thought he was doing but he also makes a few little Comments in there that I feel like people really dug in on like the whole I didn't expect it to happen this or me to blow up this much It's like it was very meticulously planned out from inception of the brand within this I don't know if you saw the emails, but it's like within 1 1 year.

I want to be at Exactly this in social media following and this is what I'm gonna do.

What's his social media following at now Jamie?

that fits Chinese bots let's play some more of this nonsense.

While spreading the message, I've been on several podcasts, and when asked if I've ever taken steroids, I've always said, no, I don't touch the stuff, not gonna touch the stuff, never touch the stuff.

I've convinced myself that this had nothing to do with the ancestral message.

I convinced myself that I'm not a competitive athlete of any kind, so who the fuck am I cheating?

I convinced myself that this topic was a placeholder for a far more important conversation.

I convinced myself that this would overshadow that 36 years of working out, usually twice a day, without PEDs.

I've convinced myself that this was the vocal minority, usually in the fitness category, driving to an unproductive conversation.

And I had convinced myself that this would be the wrong message to send to the 15 year old boys.

Sometimes people don't hang out with people that are smarter than them And you think you're the smartest person or maybe because he's running this company You know people have to listen to him, So he's got this distorted perception of his ability to communicate and his ability to Like convince people like that was so theatrical and so corny

I don't know how like what kind of thought process went into the there was some sort of ROI calculation on if I lie, like what is the probability I get outed versus how viral can I go if I lie from the get-go versus, like, I just don't know how his team, especially with the information out there, Thought that it was going to be a net win where it's probably never gonna come out?

Yeah, it's pretty elaborate like his team was well He has a media team that he hired to kind of like

right, but they're just employees Yes, 1 of them came up to me in Vegas.

Yeah, I'm 1 of my security guards stopped him.

He was like I'm a producer for the liver King my Purdue What the fuck do you produce?

Yeah, I'm I wouldn't be surprised I'm movie like how many UFC events did he try and kind of like cozy?

He was frontline front row at 1 of my shows in Vegas.

at the MGM Yeah, and then I saw him again at the Canelo fight He was trying really hard to get on the podcast and he's been trying really hard to get on now He contacted contacted a few friends of mine and some of them that have like Burt Kreischer that had him on the show Yeah,

on for what what say that more like come on.

This is dumb, man This is a fucking you ran a con game and you got busted.

Yeah, and it's unfortunate that you feel terrible I'm sorry you feel bad because that's Just what happens when you get caught lying, but you didn't have to lie Like

I don't even see how bad it would have been if from the get-go.

He was like I You know it's not the whole on

Yeah, but like I understand the not wanting to talk about the other shit because he was on Winstrel deck High amounts of GH etc.

Which is not ancestrally consistent, but neither is HRT because it's like well if your diet was so dialed like why is it that you don't have like adequate testicular function or adequate hormone output or this or that and it's just like I guess I kind of just like spit in the face of his message too much that he couldn't wrap his head around justifying coming out and saying I'm on HRT, but do this other stuff.


Speaker 0: The Jerogen Experience

Speaker 1: Hey Derek, you know how I got so jacked? I followed the 9 ancestral tenants.

Speaker 2: Oh that I heard that works really well

Speaker 1: It's the best way. Yeah Boy when I saw that video that you posted You actually sent me the video after I'd already seen it. I caught it within 3 minutes of you posting it.

Speaker 2: Oh my God.

Speaker 1: I saw it. It just showed up on YouTube feed. I'm like, oh yes, here we go. And I wasn't surprised at all. No.

It seems completely makes sense, but that's exactly what I expected.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed like just a matter of time for him.

Speaker 1: There's no way you can look like that in your 40s. That Jack, I mean, he's preposterously Jack. Do we have a fucking, now that we know that he's full of shit, we're talking about the liver king, by the way, ladies and gentlemen. A lot of people are like, what are they saying? This is all inside stuff.

There's a guy, if you don't know who the liver King is the guy calls himself the liver King And he's this guy who walks around everywhere with no shirt on I've seen him in Vegas with no shirt on big bushy beard super jacked and he was telling people that the way he gets that way is by Sunning his balls He he literally lays down with his asshole staring at the Sun and and eats raw liver and just lifts like a maniac and that's how he's so jacked. But it's preposterous.

Speaker 2: Yeah, too many polar extremes to have just like a unique marketing spin that was just highly viral in my opinion. And I don't know, Most people could see through it but at the same time he would Like there was a lot of big names that even reached out to me after the video came out and they were like, you know I didn't think he was natural but this guy literally right to my face would say like blatantly I am natural and like a lot of people will take a guy at its word at his word when it's like a private Conversation and if he's straight-up telling you in person, yeah, it's actually legit I'm natural and he was just lying through his fucking teeth seemingly

Speaker 1: There's some people that are really jacked that are natural for sure Some people that are like super super disciplined they you know they're taking supplements but all legal supplements that you get it like a vitamin store and they're just like They've never gotten off the grind and who's that guy Paul Sklar? Did you comment on him?

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he actually Did blood work like immediately after I had talked about it 1 time and it checked out

Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks like what's possible. Yeah, like I if you don't know who that guy is, he's super jacked and he's 50 years old. But when I'm looking at him, I am not getting any steroidy vibes. I'm getting a really fit guy who works out really hard and has probably been doing it for 30 years. Yeah, that's that's what I get when I look at that guy That's all feasible and possible now, please go to the liver King Please show me some preposterous liver King Physiology.

Speaker 2: Oh, he has have you seen his apology?

Speaker 1: No I haven't I want to watch it. He comes clean on steroids you I fucked up.

Speaker 0: I don't

Speaker 2: know if you guys are able

Speaker 0: to watch the... I just want to

Speaker 1: see some images though I want to see some images of his body because his body is just so off the charts ridiculously massive That's okay, but

Speaker 2: that's like unflattering lighting. Yeah,

Speaker 1: I want to I want to show some of him like jacked and lifting because he's just fucking gigantic.

Speaker 2: So he did cover the ab implants and etching again he said no to both even in his apology. Touches on it.

Speaker 1: Is it po- I mean I guess it's possible if you're on that much juice that your ab muscles grow that big too. Cause, the kind of stuff he does is, you know, very core specific. Like, he's doing a lot of stuff where he's like cleaning and pressing kettlebells and walking with them over his head and all that stuff really does ignite your core. And if he's doing that all the time, I would imagine it's possible that those are real abs. But that was the question.

Do you think those are real abs?

Speaker 2: Yeah, personally, I think they're legitimate abs. And the etching thing, I think, is more of the controversial topic. Did he have some sort of cosmetic work done to target locally the fat around the abdominal definition?

Speaker 1: Would that make much of a difference though? Because he's very lean clearly if you look at his arms, you look at his chest look at everything like look at that image Right there. He's so lean

Speaker 0: I

Speaker 1: mean how much fat Would you even be talking about and how would that make the thing is the topographical map of his abs? Yeah, the way they pop up like mountains. That's just mass. Yeah, that's where the question of whether or not That's real or whether or not their Implants

Speaker 2: that's what I was leaning to is just like I feel like his overall body composition is pretty consistently Represented I don't think he has like just like I get that his The argument is they don't change in like when he sits down or anything the density of them and like the separation is so dramatic that it's got to be something

Speaker 0: yeah

Speaker 2: and You know you could never really say if it was well done like what did or didn't happen I don't think it's implants though That would be really obvious in my opinion. Well granted then it's like well if it's unnoticeable, would you even?

Speaker 1: Right, you know, right. It's like plastic surgery. You only see the stuff that's not good

Speaker 2: Are you guys able to play the apology without it being caught? Sure We can play it for I don't know what like this Spotify copyright.

Speaker 1: Oh I think Spotify can handle this.

Speaker 2: Okay the YouTube version.

Speaker 1: Let's play it.

Speaker 2: Yeah Yeah,

Speaker 1: if you put it on YouTube, you're more than allowed to here goes liver cake confession let's open a terrible sound is it a connection issue yeah that's happened before what is that I

Speaker 0: don't know

Speaker 1: a Lot of people believed him including the Bell brothers Chris and Mark Bell like wow guys you 2 steroids How do you not? Look at that guy and go clearly

Speaker 2: I think mark likes to think that a lot of people like he again he doesn't want to put a Is it working or? Like a limitation on what's possible like he likes to believe that you could and again because this the problem with this too is a lot Of people will extrapolate this out and then think everyone with a jacked physique must be doing something Which is problematic because then it sort of creates this

Speaker 0: right

Speaker 2: this narrative around You know everyone's lying or anyone with a good physique. It's impossible to get there without Yeah, doping your fucking face off kind of thing which is not the case there are certain individuals who like I do believe that physique Okay, maybe not Maybe not that physique, but like within striking distance of that in 0 point 00001 percent of individuals You could get there naturally yeah, potentially Hyper-responders

Speaker 1: yeah guys who are just like ridiculous genetics

Speaker 2: like Ronnie Coleman natural

Speaker 1: yes, yeah perfect example Yeah, Ronnie Coleman natural was super jacked, but he couldn't compete with the most jacked guys and then he started doing steroids

Speaker 2: yeah and you just exploded

Speaker 1: but he's super honest about it like when Ronnie talks about it he just will explain like up until he was 30 years old he was natural yeah So can we get it or is it? Okay. Got a

Speaker 0: little. Because I'm embarrassed and ashamed, it sounds fucking terrible.

Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe there's another version of

Speaker 2: it.

Speaker 0: I think

Speaker 2: there's something wrong with my cable for some reason. I'm looking at the audio on my feed and it's not.

Speaker 1: Is it the cable or is it how it connects? Is it like?

Speaker 2: It's 1 or the other. It could be both.

Speaker 1: That's an old ass laptop, isn't it?

Speaker 2: No, it's a new 1.

Speaker 0: 0, okay.

Speaker 2: Old cable, maybe.

Speaker 0: Because I lied and I misled them.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quiet. I don't know if something's wrong. That's all

Speaker 1: right, let's play it. We can hear what he's saying.

Speaker 0: Because I fucked up. Because I'm embarrassed and ashamed. Because I lied. And I misled a lot of people. I've stated that this is a complicated as fuck topic, at least to me it is.

Because before social media, I was rich and anonymous. And after social media, I'm still rich, but no longer anonymous. And I never expected this kind of exposure in the public eye. It's been tricky as fuck to navigate. Well, clearly, I did it wrong.

And I'm here now to set the record straight. Yes, I've done steroids and yes, I'm on steroids and I'm being managed by a trained hormone clinician. Lurking the public figure was an experiment to spread the message, to bring awareness to the 4,000 people a day who kill themselves, the 80,000 people a day that try to kill themselves. Our people are hurting at record rates with depression, autoimmune, anxiety, infertility, low ambition in life. Our young men are hurting the most, feeling lost, weak, and submissive.

So I made it my job to not teach and preach.

Speaker 1: He did it for the

Speaker 2: hurting people come on Derek the comments are not too favorable on that

Speaker 1: Pause Your highest and most dominant form What he that He wanted everybody that's depressed and trying to kill themselves to reach their highest, most dominant form, but he wanted to lie about how he achieved his physique. So mislead these people that just by eating liver you can come close to that So as you fail at that as well as everything else you failed at life that led you to the point of doing Something to yourself that you're thinking about committing suicide. Yeah, that's what he's saying

Speaker 2: I feel like in this video. He had like a very good opportunity to just straight-up say Sorry, I fucked up etc. Which I think he thought he was doing but he also makes a few little Comments in there that I feel like people really dug in on like the whole I didn't expect it to happen this or me to blow up this much It's like it was very meticulously planned out from inception of the brand within this I don't know if you saw the emails, but it's like within 1 1 year. I want to be at Exactly this in social media following and this is what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1: What's his social media following at now Jamie? Which is like Instagram I? Bet he's at 5 million.

Speaker 2: I think on tick-tock

Speaker 1: 1.7 million

Speaker 2: on tick-tock. He's at like 3 point something Yeah,

Speaker 1: that fits Chinese bots let's play some more of this nonsense. Yeah.

Speaker 0: While spreading the message, I've been on several podcasts, and when asked if I've ever taken steroids, I've always said, no, I don't touch the stuff, not gonna touch the stuff, never touch the stuff. That was a lie. I've convinced myself that this had nothing to do with the ancestral message. I convinced myself that I'm not a competitive athlete of any kind, so who the fuck am I cheating? I convinced myself that this topic was a placeholder for a far more important conversation.

I convinced myself that this would overshadow that 36 years of working out, usually twice a day, without PEDs.

Speaker 1: That's not true.

Speaker 0: I've convinced myself that this was the vocal minority, usually in the fitness category, driving to an unproductive conversation. And I had convinced myself that this would be the wrong message to send to the 15 year old boys. Oh, the 15 year old boys. So I continually dismissed it.

Speaker 1: The ones who actually can get jacked. They're full, we've seen enough. He's, you know what the problem is? Sometimes people don't hang out with people that are smarter than them And you think you're the smartest person or maybe because he's running this company You know people have to listen to him, So he's got this distorted perception of his ability to communicate and his ability to Like convince people like that was so theatrical and so corny

Speaker 2: I don't know how like what kind of thought process went into the there was some sort of ROI calculation on if I lie, like what is the probability I get outed versus how viral can I go if I lie from the get-go versus, like, I just don't know how his team, especially with the information out there, Thought that it was going to be a net win where it's probably never gonna come out?

Speaker 1: Does he have a team?

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty elaborate like his team was well He has a media team that he hired to kind of like

Speaker 1: right, but they're just employees Yes, 1 of them came up to me in Vegas.

Speaker 2: Oh really

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm 1 of my security guards stopped him. He was like I'm a producer for the liver King my Purdue What the fuck do you produce? What are you producing?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I wouldn't be surprised I'm movie like how many UFC events did he try and kind of like cozy?

Speaker 1: He was frontline front row at 1 of my shows in Vegas.

Speaker 2: Oh damn

Speaker 1: at the MGM Yeah, and then I saw him again at the Canelo fight He was trying really hard to get on the podcast and he's been trying really hard to get on now He contacted contacted a few friends of mine and some of them that have like Burt Kreischer that had him on the show Yeah,

Speaker 2: he told me he's trying to get

Speaker 1: on for what what say that more like come on. This is dumb, man This is a fucking you ran a con game and you got busted. Yeah, and it's unfortunate that you feel terrible I'm sorry you feel bad because that's Just what happens when you get caught lying, but you didn't have to lie Like

Speaker 2: I don't even see how bad it would have been if from the get-go. He was like I You know it's not the whole on

Speaker 1: the immoral placement

Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I understand the not wanting to talk about the other shit because he was on Winstrel deck High amounts of GH etc. Which is not ancestrally consistent, but neither is HRT because it's like well if your diet was so dialed like why is it that you don't have like adequate testicular function or adequate hormone output or this or that and it's just like I guess I kind of just like spit in the face of his message too much that he couldn't wrap his head around justifying coming out and saying I'm on HRT, but do this other stuff.

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