Taken from JRE #1924 w/Andrew Santino:
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What do you think about the fucking, the live golf thing?

And I told you before this, I know a guy that went over there.

Some people love the preservation and the history of the PGA.

A lot of things about the PGA are bullshit and particularly the idea that the PGA Had a stronghold on them It was kind of like it has like the remnants of like contracts from studios in the 50s for actors Where you're like, we own your fucking ass, your likeness, your rights, your images When the golfers golf, they can't use that footage They have to License it from the PGA so if I'm out playing and I want to be like hey, man I want to put a post on Instagram about this dope-ass putt I hit or whatever this great You have to buy it you have to buy your shit back from them Bullshit, why if I'm if I'm Zion Williamson in the NBA and I fucking yoke on some I put my dick in their fucking face and dunk on him The NBA can't wait to give you the footage.

They're like dude post that shit because it's gonna help their brand PGA is old white guy bullshit, and it's I get it that it's antiquated So some of the younger guys were like fuck this.

I want something different some of them their careers are on the Other side so they might not be making so much more to win money, right?

So this is a great alternative the problem people had was like Dustin Johnson or you know guys that are at the top and they're like, why are you pulling your game over there?

You could, do you think you, you think you can't win anymore in this?

But Saudi money is invested in Tons of shit look up look up look up Saudi look up Saudi money LPGA look that up The sound The investment of the Saudis isn't like a new thing in American sports.

So people are just mad because, the PGA particularly is mad, because they look, they're looking something in the face that's threatening them.

It's not going to be bigger than the PGA, but it's an alternative.

That's fun people like it It's not gonna be bigger not gonna take it over But they don't

what people are concerned with is that people are leaving and they're going to work for someone has been accused of some Horrific shit sure

It's like you're made your fucking shirt was made by a Chinese kid

It's a lot well your phone if you're complaining about stuff You're literally complaining on a device that was made by slaves.

So I think that when somebody, when you start to get into the nitpicky stuff, I'm always like, I understand the idea of like being like, people are anti them playing for Saudi money.

But if you think you're not involved in Saudi money at a high sports level, I'm sorry, but it's there.

Well, the WWE fans are freaking out now, right?

Yeah What happens now, well, there's no divas there's no gonna be any women

man WWE talent done if company is sold to Saudi Arabia.

This is what was happening on Twitter last night.

The Twitter, the WWE Twitter world freaked out.

So the answer is yes, and they just can't leave No, but I

know money comes around if it's it's a substantial increase in money.

I understand tradition but if these guys want an alternative league to play in who Fucking let him go play.

I don't know Why do you need a monopoly of 1 league?

What people have a problem with is Jamal Khashoggi.

Jamal Khashoggi, who was a journalist for the Washington Post, who was dismembered at the Turkish embassy, at the, supposedly, at the instructions of the Saudi royals.

I don't know who, and I don't know who literally is funding.

They could be just Saudi businessmen that are funding live.

I don't know this particulars, but I don't know That's what I'm saying is like whatever if they want to go play in that league and they're comfortable with it Let them go play.

It's fucking capitalism, baby you won't get that fucking check.

Trump told them It's amazing amazing organization to doing great things

I think honestly, here's a good what's really gonna happen They're gonna go get that money and they're gonna leave you then it's gonna be over and it's gonna dissipate into nothing.

Well, if they have enough cheddar they could literally keep this going forever if they

No, no, it's not that and you're right it's more that what guys are gonna be willing to either stay there Or continue to go over there.

so you don't have to stay You don't have to go over there

I don't know I don't think the only I was I think they only play 1 over there all of them are here like I went to 1 in Chicago rich harvest farms and Yeah, I mean, you know look it's it's really interesting to see the internal uproar, which I immediately attribute to golf is an old tradition sport.

So they don't even like that someone's entering the conversation the outs the other perspective obviously is the 1 that is the bigger deal is People aren't people are think it's an immoral move ethical move

if it was instead some enormous hedge fund got together and they put all their money together and decided to fund their own alternative golf Agency

people they'd be off tour just as mad I think they would be just as upset.

People would be, the PGA does not want competition.

They don't like that guys are even thinking about going.

And then I think personally, they're shoehorning in the Saudi stuff to go, and that's bad.

See, they're more mad about business interests.

They don't give a they don't fucking care about how

much of a Effect is it having on the top players

I mean there my buddy my buddy's doing a documentary that's coming out on Netflix I think coming up soon in the first quarter of the year about the PGA and during it, during the middle of filming, half of the guys left and went to live and he films both perspectives.

The highest level, like a guy who's like a Championship caliber

Phil Mickelson is 1 of the greatest of all time arguably in a in a span of many many golfers I'm not saying he's like number 1 or not saying I'm just saying he is 1 of the best of all time and He is the I think he's the biggest money right wasn't he the biggest him or DJ Yeah him or DJ got the most but

about 150 mil Supposedly to just come over to play before they won any extra money

Oh, yeah, that's also part of a contract No 1 knows the details of these contracts.

Didn't they lose all their sponsors once they went over there though

a lot of a lot of them lost some of their sponsors But I don't know if you need them anymore after 150 mil clears.

CDW, you know, like business investment firms.

Golf is sponsored heavily by like, you know, TD Ameritrade and shit that

Which makes sense because all those guys are the guys who like golf.

They love to do business meetings on the golf course

It's an advantage I don't know for the new era.

I'm you know, I might you know our ages What's going on now in the youth of business?

I don't fucking know what 22 year olds have to do to like get through in the corporate world, but I imagine It's still a part of it to a degree, you know?

It's an inner circle that you're going to get leverage from some way or another.

It's like, dude, I went to Arizona State.

made a lot of fucking friends, but none of them could help me business-wise.

Yeah, you go to you go to an accredited university Someone's daddy is a somebody and so that's a big advantage in going to a good

meet that guy You might want to working for his firm.

Does your kid wanted you it's like that shit, but Billy's a good kid really good kid he's top of his class.

a couple hundred grand a year out of school.

We'll let him fuck off for 2 years, then we'll figure it

But so I think, like at the end of the day, whatever people, whatever those guys want to do, I just want to watch golf.

The PGA is still going to be the number 1 because it has the Masters.

Now, is this the general attitude of most people?

Most guys my age, I think Jamie might be in a similar boat where you're like I don't fucking give a shit, but my dad's generation Is like no fucking ridiculous?

You don't that to go supporting the fucking Saudis and you go over there And you're abandoning the ship that like you sailed in on you know the PGA built you and it formed you.

It would be like if the UFC had a big competitive, had a competitive thing come forward with way more money, which I don't know if that's happened.

You could tell me if it has, but it hasn't.

But if it had, that's kind of the same thing where there's

some guys who get really good deals that they wouldn't get in the UFC so what happens is if there's talent that's available that's top flight talent Bellator has options you know that's an option yeah A lot of guys will go to Bellator because Bellator will pay them more But it's like when you get to the world championship like the Conor McGregor could be even our McMeadow off level I think they make more money in the UFC

I think because they have pay-per-view excuse me pay-per-view You don't see pay-per-view with Bellator.

I think they've done a couple pay-per-views.

I don't think they've been that successful.

Whereas UFC does a pay-per-view every month.

There's world championship fights where you get the best of the best, and everybody knows who they are.

It's like Q-tips, NFL, NBA, like that's MMA at the highest level.


Speaker 0: The Jorogan experience. What do you think about the fucking, the live golf thing?

Speaker 1: Love it. Absolutely love it. Why not?

Speaker 0: Tell me more.

Speaker 1: Here's the reason. And I told you before this, I know a guy that went over there. And here's the thing. Some people love the preservation and the history of the PGA. I get it.

Tradition. A lot of things about the PGA are bullshit and particularly the idea that the PGA Had a stronghold on them It was kind of like it has like the remnants of like contracts from studios in the 50s for actors Where you're like, we own your fucking ass, your likeness, your rights, your images When the golfers golf, they can't use that footage They have to License it from the PGA so if I'm out playing and I want to be like hey, man I want to put a post on Instagram about this dope-ass putt I hit or whatever this great You have to buy it you have to buy your shit back from them Bullshit, why if I'm if I'm Zion Williamson in the NBA and I fucking yoke on some I put my dick in their fucking face and dunk on him The NBA can't wait to give you the footage. They're like dude post that shit because it's gonna help their brand PGA is old white guy bullshit, and it's I get it that it's antiquated So some of the younger guys were like fuck this. I want more freedom and fun. I want something different some of them their careers are on the Other side so they might not be making so much more to win money, right?

So this is a great alternative the problem people had was like Dustin Johnson or you know guys that are at the top and they're like, why are you pulling your game over there? You could, do you think you, you think you can't win anymore in this? Which is part of the controversy. It's like, oh, you do.

Speaker 0: What's the big controversy? The big controversy is the Saudis.

Speaker 1: But Saudi money is invested in Tons of shit look up look up look up Saudi look up Saudi money LPGA look that up The sound The investment of the Saudis isn't like a new thing in American sports. So people are just mad because, the PGA particularly is mad, because they look, they're looking something in the face that's threatening them. It's not going to be bigger than the PGA, but it's an alternative. That's fun people like it It's not gonna be bigger not gonna take it over But they don't

Speaker 0: what people are concerned with is that people are leaving and they're going to work for someone has been accused of some Horrific shit sure

Speaker 1: but who made your jeans

Speaker 0: These are American, but

Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's like most people

Speaker 0: made by origin,

Speaker 1: but most people go Oh, dude. I don't like that. It's like you're made your fucking shirt was made by a Chinese kid

Speaker 0: It's a lot well your phone if you're complaining about stuff You're literally complaining on a device that was made by slaves.

Speaker 1: Well, that's my point. So I think that when somebody, when you start to get into the nitpicky stuff, I'm always like, I understand the idea of like being like, people are anti them playing for Saudi money. But if you think you're not involved in Saudi money at a high sports level, I'm sorry, but it's there.

Speaker 0: Well, the WWE fans are freaking out now, right?

Speaker 1: Why? Jamie what's that about?

Speaker 2: Investment fund bought the WWE I believe

Speaker 1: okay Well, what are you gonna

Speaker 0: happens now?

Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah What happens now, well, there's no divas there's no gonna be any women

Speaker 0: man WWE talent done if company is sold to Saudi Arabia.

Speaker 1: Thank you brother!

Speaker 0: It says it's not sold to

Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia according to them. This is what was happening on Twitter last night. Oh. The Twitter, the WWE Twitter world freaked out. It was like trending all night.

Well, go to Snopes.

Speaker 0: What do Snopes have to say?

Speaker 2: Oh, they had an answer? Oh, they did.

Speaker 0: Yeah. Is WWE being so, a research in progress?

Speaker 1: Oh. Still going, so yes. So the answer is yes, and they just can't leave No, but I

Speaker 0: know money comes around if it's it's a substantial increase in money.

Speaker 1: I think here's the deal. I understand tradition but if these guys want an alternative league to play in who Fucking let him go play. I don't who gives a shit. I don't know Why do you need a monopoly of 1 league? I mean, you look at the history of-

Speaker 0: That's not what the problem is. What people have a problem with is Jamal Khashoggi. Jamal Khashoggi, who was a journalist for the Washington Post, who was dismembered at the Turkish embassy, at the, supposedly, at the instructions of the Saudi royals. He was critical of them.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, I don't know, man. I don't know who, and I don't know who literally is funding. They could be just Saudi businessmen that are funding live. I don't know this particulars, but I don't know That's what I'm saying is like whatever if they want to go play in that league and they're comfortable with it Let them go play. I guess fuck it.

Speaker 0: What an American perspective.

Speaker 1: Well, let him go play. It's fucking capitalism, baby you won't get that fucking check.

Speaker 0: That's the Trump perspective.

Speaker 1: We'll get that fucking check dude.

Speaker 0: Trump told them It's amazing amazing organization to doing great things

Speaker 1: great things.

Speaker 0: Go get that money.

Speaker 1: I think honestly, here's a good what's really gonna happen They're gonna go get that money and they're gonna leave you then it's gonna be over and it's gonna dissipate into nothing. Or not.

Speaker 0: If they have that kind of cheddar? Well, if they have enough cheddar they could literally keep this going forever if they

Speaker 1: wanted to. Yeah.

Speaker 0: And they wouldn't put a dent in them.

Speaker 1: No, no, it's not that and you're right it's more that what guys are gonna be willing to either stay there Or continue to go over there. So the problem is the talent right? It's like anything else It's like

Speaker 0: but they're having the events here,

Speaker 1: correct? I went to 1

Speaker 0: so you don't have to stay You don't have to go over there

Speaker 1: I don't know I don't think the only I was I think they only play 1 over there all of them are here like I went to 1 in Chicago rich harvest farms and Yeah, I mean, you know look it's it's really interesting to see the internal uproar, which I immediately attribute to golf is an old tradition sport. So people are really particular. So they don't even like that someone's entering the conversation the outs the other perspective obviously is the 1 that is the bigger deal is People aren't people are think it's an immoral move ethical move

Speaker 0: if it was instead some enormous hedge fund got together and they put all their money together and decided to fund their own alternative golf Agency

Speaker 1: people they'd be off tour just as mad I think they would be just as upset. People would be, the PGA does not want competition. They don't like that guys are even thinking about going. And then I think personally, they're shoehorning in the Saudi stuff to go, and that's bad. See, they're more mad about business interests.

They don't give a they don't fucking care about how

Speaker 0: much of a Effect is it having on the top players

Speaker 1: nothing? I mean there my buddy my buddy's doing a documentary that's coming out on Netflix I think coming up soon in the first quarter of the year about the PGA and during it, during the middle of filming, half of the guys left and went to live and he films both perspectives. So it's supposed to be really good. It's just, it's not changed much.

Speaker 0: What's the highest level player?

Speaker 1: The highest paycheck?

Speaker 0: The highest level, like a guy who's like a Championship caliber

Speaker 1: Phil Mickelson is 1 of the greatest of all time arguably in a in a span of many many golfers I'm not saying he's like number 1 or not saying I'm just saying he is 1 of the best of all time and He is the I think he's the biggest money right wasn't he the biggest him or DJ Yeah him or DJ got the most but

Speaker 0: but what kind of money we're talking

Speaker 2: about 150 mil Supposedly to just come over to play before they won any extra money

Speaker 1: before they got paid out.

Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's also part of a contract No 1 knows the details of these contracts.

Speaker 1: Well, they're private right? They don't have to disclose

Speaker 0: Didn't they lose all their sponsors once they went over there though

Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of them lost some of their sponsors But I don't know if you need them anymore after 150 mil clears. Right. Yeah, I think- Like what kind of

Speaker 0: sponsors are we talking about?

Speaker 1: CDW, you know, like business investment firms. Golf is sponsored heavily by like, you know, TD Ameritrade and shit that

Speaker 0: you're- Oh, right.

Speaker 1: It's a lot of that shit.

Speaker 0: Which makes sense because all those guys are the guys who like golf.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's who likes golf.

Speaker 0: Yeah, businessmen.

Speaker 1: Old businessmen.

Speaker 0: They love to do business meetings on the golf course

Speaker 1: I see you Phil.

Speaker 0: I bet if you're like a businessman. You probably have to play golf. I think some circles.

Speaker 1: It's an advantage I don't know for the new era. I'm you know, I might you know our ages What's going on now in the youth of business? I don't fucking know what 22 year olds have to do to like get through in the corporate world, but I imagine It's still a part of it to a degree, you know? It's an inner circle that you're going to get leverage from some way or another. It's like going to a good school.

It's like, dude, I went to Arizona State. Did I have any connections? I made 0 fucking friends.

Speaker 0: I

Speaker 1: made a lot of fucking friends, but none of them could help me business-wise.

Speaker 0: It's not like going to Yale.

Speaker 1: No. Yeah, you go to you go to an accredited university Someone's daddy is a somebody and so that's a big advantage in going to a good

Speaker 0: meet that guy You might want to working for his firm.

Speaker 1: He might give you a fucking job

Speaker 0: You want a job? Does your kid wanted you it's like that shit, but Billy's a good kid really good kid he's top of his class. I'll give him

Speaker 1: a couple hundred grand a year out of school. We'll let him fuck off for 2 years, then we'll figure it

Speaker 0: out. Show him how to do coke.

Speaker 1: We'll give him a bump. But so I think, like at the end of the day, whatever people, whatever those guys want to do, I just want to watch golf. So I don't give a shit. The PGA is still going to be the number 1 because it has the Masters. It has tournaments where you're...

It's just...

Speaker 0: Now, is this the general attitude of most people? Most people are just letting it go? They don't care?

Speaker 1: Or some people

Speaker 0: are outraged?

Speaker 1: Most guys my age, I think Jamie might be in a similar boat where you're like I don't fucking give a shit, but my dad's generation Is like no fucking ridiculous? You don't that to go supporting the fucking Saudis and you go over there And you're abandoning the ship that like you sailed in on you know the PGA built you and it formed you. It would be like if the UFC had a big competitive, had a competitive thing come forward with way more money, which I don't know if that's happened. I'm ignorant. You could tell me if it has, but it hasn't.

But if it had, that's kind of the same thing where there's

Speaker 0: some guys who get really good deals that they wouldn't get in the UFC so what happens is if there's talent that's available that's top flight talent Bellator has options you know that's an option yeah A lot of guys will go to Bellator because Bellator will pay them more But it's like when you get to the world championship like the Conor McGregor could be even our McMeadow off level I think they make more money in the UFC

Speaker 1: right

Speaker 0: I think because they have pay-per-view excuse me pay-per-view You don't see pay-per-view with Bellator. I think they've done a couple pay-per-views. I don't think they've been that successful. Whereas UFC does a pay-per-view every month. Every month is an enormous pay-per-view.

There's world championship fights where you get the best of the best, and everybody knows who they are. It's like Q-tips, NFL, NBA, like that's MMA at the highest level.

Speaker 1: Right.

Speaker 0: You can get cotton swabs at CVS that aren't made by Q-tips. You're asking for Q-tips. Where's the Q-tips?

Speaker 1: Where's Kleenex?

Speaker 0: Yeah, where's the Kleenex? And that, I mean, that's not even the best example, right? Because the Q-tips that, you know, CVS that aren't Q-tips, The cotton swabs are probably just as good It's not that hard of a little stick and look cotton on the end of it But

Speaker 1: it's the name

Speaker 0: to get elite world-class fighters to compete in the biggest organization to hold that UFC belt, you know, and have Bruce Buffer say, and no! You know, and they put that fucking strap on you, whoa. That's the cream of the crop when it comes to combat sports.

Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is in the PGA. It's like they hold tradition, They've got it by the balls. So no 1 will There's no It's not accredited, you know live is for fun It's for money and fun and I think they're trying to appeal to like a a new young market

Speaker 0: I think they need to do that shit with the crowd

Speaker 1: that well the live is live has live music They have like it

Speaker 0: who has that that 1 with the crowd. Well, that's a different PGA. That's the PGA

Speaker 1: Yeah, this has got to be the 1 time they kind of let this chaos go. It's because it's in Phoenix, waste management runs it.

Speaker 0: Listen, it's a great move.

Speaker 1: No, it's, well, you should show him a picture of what the 16th hole looks like without those stands. What they build is mind-blowing. The course outside of that looks nothing like that. They build this huge structure that

Speaker 0: surrounds it. So that structure they put in temporarily?

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gone. Most of the time. It's not there. What that's what it looks like

Speaker 0: that Enormous structure they built temporarily. Yes, and They keep it or they take it down

Speaker 1: just for the tournament They take it down the moment the tournaments closed That course goes back to

Speaker 0: what it look look at the 16th without it. Oh my god. That's insane Or 17 is it how many people are in there?

Speaker 1: I mean do that's got to be

Speaker 2: I don't know thousands 5000 more

Speaker 0: Yeah, it looks like more if that was a show that We were doing together. We'd be like bro

Speaker 1: Just without grandstand right without grandstand

Speaker 0: that looks like 30 40 thousand to me man. Look at that's what it

Speaker 1: looks like Joe without it It's nothing as a time-lapse

Speaker 0: how many people were there Google the What's the the amount the audience size

Speaker 2: that You're allowed to walk in and out of that area. It's not like you need a seat.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't stay.

Speaker 2: You can go anywhere on the course the whole day.

Speaker 0: Right, but how many people get seated by those, that structure they put in place? How many seats are available? Take a guess. I'm saying 40 grand.

Speaker 1: I would say 20K.

Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like 15,000.

Speaker 1: 15 or 20K is my.

Speaker 0: It seems more than that, man.

Speaker 2: It does. It's so big. There's a lot of boxes, too. They sell those boxes, it's a 16-to-11. They sell those boxes because people now know how fun it is.

Speaker 0: Right, but what's the actual number?

Speaker 2: I don't know that we'll know it. If it

Speaker 0: changes year

Speaker 2: to year because they add more people.

Speaker 0: Yeah, but they have, okay, let's go the 2021 waste management open crowd size.

Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, yeah.

Speaker 0: There's got to be a way to find it, right?

Speaker 1: Yeah, 100% I mean, they'll give you they'll give you a an estimate of something They'll give you like usually how many people show up because they brag about it 20,000

Speaker 2: thousand but that's the whole event. That's not sitting in.

Speaker 1: Yeah, but I would argue half of them are there. That's probably 10 grand maybe.

Speaker 0: What a great idea to get it exciting, because that was so much more exciting than a normal golf situation.

Speaker 1: You should hear, when they interview pro golfers, 5,000 fans

Speaker 0: per day. But that

Speaker 2: was 2021. This is when the pandemic was happening.

Speaker 0: Oh, right

Speaker 1: the grandstands are not existent Pro golfer say that that's the most nervous they are because people are it's dead people talk shit. They're yelling It's dude. It's most times, you know, they get this as a guy that holds up a thing to shut the fuck up. There, there's no rules. You just can't.

And you know what's so funny? When somebody does get a hole in 1 like that, they all throw beer, like you can, he's got pictures of it, where they'll throw beer on there, but they don't get kicked out or anything. It's like the 1 time you're allowed to throw beer.

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