Taken from JRE MMA Show #136 w/Jamahal Hill:
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That was a phenomenal performance in Brazil against Glover Teixeira in his hometown.

Last minute, like, I mean, how much time did you have to prep for that?

was, you knew that it was supposed to be 3 rounds and then they changed it to the title for 5 rounds right

that was right after on Kali of and yamaha was so right from

there he called me while they were still Wow

If you wanted a full camp for a five-round fight though, what would you what would you prefer?

So slightly abbreviated but your Performance was phenomenal man.

I mean it was it was amazing to see you pick apart Glover like that and to do so well on the ground, too.

Yeah, I mean, a lot of people thought that I couldn't do I can I couldn't well that was just a general assumption Was that I couldn't I couldn't grapple on the ground and things like that 1 That's definitely

but you getting that general assumption from who though people online

just pics like you know means like Like an analyst then like any like the fighters or whatever that I talked to, they were like, they always say, it's always something that they say?

Even guys in the division, they were like, oh, he's just a boxer.

I don't know if he can really wrestle or if he really has like kicks or anything like that They're questioning the kicks to you know, so

that's some of the biggest moments in the fight that left high kick yours Yeah, well people are gonna question you until they can't anymore That's how it goes, you know, there's always, ah, I don't know about this guy, and then all of a sudden he's the best ever.

And that's why I'm just hungry for, you know what I mean, for names, man.

What did it feel like when they strapped that thing around your waist?

It was just like, almost like unreal, like almost like living, almost like in a dream, like 1 of the dreams that I've had.

You know, and it was just like, I don't know, it was just crazy, Just the way of everything that I did and been through and everything, which was a lot.

I mean, that's a moment that very few human beings will ever achieve.

Yeah, that was when he told me that he was about to retire.

I mean, it's amazing how long that dude has hung in there.

You know, for 6 years Glover lived in Brazil and he couldn't get a visa.

And this was like in the early days, like when Chuck Liddell was the UFC light heavyweight champion.

I heard something about like he went pro in 2001.

you know having that fight with Europe or Hoska where he lost the title I mean that was a crazy close fight until he got caught and that choke he was ahead Yeah, he was ahead in that fight.

that video that you made to Yuri was hilarious.

I can't He's ruined that he's ruined the phrase for me now because now I can't say it at all, no matter what somebody calls me, like oh I'm coming.

He's very very different Do you see like when he was fighting Glover and Glover was beating him up?

I thought it was like what you can't do that man It looks like

And I think it was was it Mark Goddard who was a referee I think it was Mark Goddard.

It's like hey, don't fucking slap him and say good job You can't do that.

Just what a weird thing to do guys on top of you rain and blows down You're like good job.

Yeah, I don't know Only thing I can think would be, possibly it could be just like a tactic to try to make it seem like no matter what, you're wasting your time type thing.

Like, I don't know, try to get in their head.

Because I think even with the whole Samurai thing, he wants to play, he obviously wants this image to be believed of him

But I just seen him when I was at the PI a couple days ago.

He walked up, he was like, nice to meet you.

And then I came back, I was going into PT and he was working, he was like, I'm working on it.

You know what I mean, working, so I'm like, take your time, do your thing.

He's already had the shoulder surgery, right?

I would assume if he's already trying to rehab.

Yeah, I'm sure he has because apparently his shoulder was the worst shoulder they had ever seen.

The UFC doctors had never seen a shoulder that fucked up before.

His shoulder went out of socket in training camp and they tried to put it back in.

These just gym dudes yanking on it and they fucked it up way worse.

And he had to give up his title like that.

Well, it's interesting that he did decide to give up his title.

He could have held onto it, and he could have had an interim title, and you could be fighting him for the undisputed title, but instead he's like, nope, I'm gonna give up my title.

Yeah, that's strange, because that's not only like a, like, I don't think that's normally like, not only like a bad move legacy wise there's a bad business Yeah, there's now your next fight you fight as a challenger.

Yeah, don't get the You don't get the same pay-per-view buys, you know, you know, I mean, you don't get the same amount of money or none of that So

yeah, it doesn't make any sense I mean, I could imagine the thought process behind it like you want to be noble, but you gotta take money, bro You gotta take care of your money I mean how many world title fights you get if you're lucky if you everything goes perfect and he should know now Especially being injured like hey this could happen and you could get a catastrophic injury, and you could be out for a year or so.

I think it was a play of him trying to be noble.

Just trying to be noble, trying to like, you know, all, he does the right thing, where he respects the warrior.

I like how you're thinking about it, like 3D chess.

Like, what is this motherfucker doing for real?

to tell you, man, I think a lot of what he does is meant to put a certain image in your head.

You know, he's like, wraps a tree up in a foam pad and starts punching it and kicking it.

Yeah, like, okay, man, you know, gyms are better.

I wanna know what it is about being in the woods that just makes someone stay ill.

Does it make you more Noble or sophisticated to be in the woods What is it remember when rocky was training for for Drago and rocky for went to the woods?

Running in the snow carrying logs and shit I

think It makes me feel weird just even saying it in the I'm coming video.

And the 1 that he did though it's like an axe in a in a in a tree stump in the background yeah did you notice that

probably out there chopping wood yeah I don't know look at him

It could have just been that post right there.

That was just like, yeah, I don't know, man.

Have they had any conversations with you about who's gonna be your first title defense?

And you earned the fuck out of that, too.

It was, yeah, bro, Glover was tough, man.

I think we need to put a little bit more emphasis on it.

Because like, it's not just that he's tough, he's tough, he's tough, and while he's being tough, he's still fighting intelligently.

So like for not 1 second did I hit him with something and it was like oh shit, I was like oh I don't wanna get hit with whatever's next, cover up, you know what I mean?

Like that 1 like oh I need to find protection type, he never did that, you know?

And that was just like crazy, because it was 1 sequence, I think it was in the third where I hit him with right hand, right hand, elbow, left hand.

It's like At no point was he like, oh shit, I need to cover up.

Or anything, because I mean, I finished you at that point.

That was in the ground and pound sequence.

A lot of referees would have stopped it there.

I mean, you were dropping bombs on him, but yeah, he kept moving kept moving.

Yeah, he grabbed my arm or pulled me like he's gonna try to pull me in his guard And then when I went in as soon as I like so obviously to not go in you gotta sit up I set up he kicked me in the face.

I think his time with Alex Pajero really improved him too, towards the very end of his career, when he started training with Alex.

Because there's something about having that dude in camp with him and he's on the run for the middleweight title that it all came together.

Some of his last fights were some of his best.

The Jan Bohovic fight, the Yuri Prohaska fight.

Yeah, he's harder to hit clean than I thought.


Speaker 0: The Jorogun Experience.

Speaker 1: That was a phenomenal performance in Brazil against Glover Teixeira in his hometown. Last minute, like, I mean, how much time did you have to prep for that?

Speaker 2: I had about 6 weeks. Oh,

Speaker 1: you did have 6 weeks? Yeah, 6 weeks.

Speaker 0: But it

Speaker 1: was, you knew that it was supposed to be 3 rounds and then they changed it to the title for 5 rounds right

Speaker 2: no no so they think the title

Speaker 1: that was right after on Kali of and yamaha was so right from

Speaker 2: there he called me while they were still Wow

Speaker 1: If you wanted a full camp for a five-round fight though, what would you what would you prefer? Like how much time do you really need? So slightly abbreviated but your Performance was phenomenal man. I mean it was it was amazing to see you pick apart Glover like that and to do so well on the ground, too. I mean, that was a big victory.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, a lot of people thought that I couldn't do I can I couldn't well that was just a general assumption Was that I couldn't I couldn't grapple on the ground and things like that 1 That's definitely

Speaker 1: but you getting that general assumption from who though people online

Speaker 2: just pics like you know means like Like an analyst then like any like the fighters or whatever that I talked to, they were like, they always say, it's always something that they say? Even guys in the division, they were like, oh, he's just a boxer. I don't know if he can really wrestle or if he really has like kicks or anything like that They're questioning the kicks to you know, so

Speaker 1: that's some of the biggest moments in the fight that left high kick yours Yeah, well people are gonna question you until they can't anymore That's how it goes, you know, there's always, ah, I don't know about this guy, and then all of a sudden he's the best ever. You never know.

Speaker 2: And that's why I'm just hungry for, you know what I mean, for names, man. I'm hungry for the next challenge.

Speaker 1: What did it feel like when they strapped that thing around your waist?

Speaker 2: Man, it's a hard thing to describe. It was just like, almost like unreal, like almost like living, almost like in a dream, like 1 of the dreams that I've had. You know, and it was just like, I don't know, it was just crazy, Just the way of everything that I did and been through and everything, which was a lot.

Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like a lot. It's a lot for everybody. I mean, that's a moment that very few human beings will ever achieve. There's it right now.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that was when he told me that he was about to retire.

Speaker 1: I mean, it's amazing how long that dude has hung in there. He was the boogeyman for 6 years. You know, for 6 years Glover lived in Brazil and he couldn't get a visa. And this was like in the early days, like when Chuck Liddell was the UFC light heavyweight champion. That's how far back Glover goes.

Speaker 2: Right. I heard something about like he went pro in 2001. Yeah. Crazy,

Speaker 1: right? Crazy.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 0: 22

Speaker 1: years later and Then

Speaker 2: still fighting for the world still and

Speaker 1: you know having that fight with Europe or Hoska where he lost the title I mean that was a crazy close fight until he got caught and that choke he was ahead Yeah, he was ahead in that fight.

Speaker 2: I believe was

Speaker 1: that video that you made to Yuri was hilarious. We played it on the podcast

Speaker 2: I'm coming now from now. I can't He's ruined that he's ruined the phrase for me now because now I can't say it at all, no matter what somebody calls me, like oh I'm coming.

Speaker 0: I can't.

Speaker 2: I'm coming.

Speaker 1: Like just. He's an odd duck. That dude's an odd duck. He's strange. He's very very different Do you see like when he was fighting Glover and Glover was beating him up?

He was like good job. Good job

Speaker 2: Yeah, like tapping him on it.

Speaker 1: I thought it was like what you can't do that man It looks like

Speaker 2: you're tapping tapping

Speaker 1: like what are you doing? He's like good job. Good job He's but he's saying good job. And I think it was was it Mark Goddard who was a referee I think it was Mark Goddard. Whoever it was was warning him.

It's like hey, don't fucking slap him and say good job You can't do that. Just what a weird thing to do guys on top of you rain and blows down You're like good job. Good job, but

Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know Only thing I can think would be, possibly it could be just like a tactic to try to make it seem like no matter what, you're wasting your time type thing. Like, I don't know, try to get in their head. Because I think even with the whole Samurai thing, he wants to play, he obviously wants this image to be believed of him

Speaker 1: and things

Speaker 2: like that. But I just seen him when I was at the PI a couple days ago. And he's a nice dude, you know. He walked up, he was like, nice to meet you. Things like that.

And then I came back, I was going into PT and he was working, he was like, I'm working on it. You know what I mean, working, so I'm like, take your time, do your thing.

Speaker 1: He's already had the shoulder surgery, right?

Speaker 2: I don't know. I would assume if he's already trying to rehab.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure he has because apparently his shoulder was the worst shoulder they had ever seen. The UFC doctors had never seen a shoulder that fucked up before. Do you know what happened to him? No. His shoulder went out of socket in training camp and they tried to put it back in.

And these dudes are yanking on it. These just gym dudes yanking on it and they fucked it up way worse.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's never a good idea.

Speaker 1: Go to a fucking doctor, man. You're a world champion.

Speaker 2: World champion.

Speaker 1: And he had to give up his title like that. Well, it's interesting that he did decide to give up his title. He could have held onto it, and he could have had an interim title, and you could be fighting him for the undisputed title, but instead he's like, nope, I'm gonna give up my title. That's why I feel like he's an odd dude.

Speaker 2: Yeah, that's strange, because that's not only like a, like, I don't think that's normally like, not only like a bad move legacy wise there's a bad business Yeah, there's now your next fight you fight as a challenger. Yeah, don't get the You don't get the same pay-per-view buys, you know, you know, I mean, you don't get the same amount of money or none of that So

Speaker 1: yeah, it doesn't make any sense I mean, I could imagine the thought process behind it like you want to be noble, but you gotta take money, bro You gotta take care of your money I mean how many world title fights you get if you're lucky if you everything goes perfect and he should know now Especially being injured like hey this could happen and you could get a catastrophic injury, and you could be out for a year or so. You never know.

Speaker 2: I think it was a play of him trying to be noble. Just trying to be noble, trying to like, you know, all, he does the right thing, where he respects the warrior.

Speaker 1: I like how you're thinking about it, like 3D chess. Like, what is this motherfucker doing for real?

Speaker 0: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm trying

Speaker 2: to tell you, man, I think a lot of what he does is meant to put a certain image in your head. You know, so.

Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, it makes sense. It would be smart to do. I mean, he's got a weird image. He's out there throwing kicks at trees.

Right. You know, he's like, wraps a tree up in a foam pad and starts punching it and kicking it.

Speaker 2: Yelling in the woods.

Speaker 1: Yeah, like, okay, man, you know, gyms are better. Gyms are definitely better than a tree.

Speaker 2: I wanna know what it is about being in the woods that just makes someone stay ill.

Speaker 0: Like what is it?

Speaker 2: Are you upset with the trees?

Speaker 0: Do you

Speaker 2: just feel alone? It's like so. Do you wanna be heard? I mean, this is all questions.

Speaker 1: Do you wanna be heard,

Speaker 2: Right, right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Does it make you more Noble or sophisticated to be in the woods What is it remember when rocky was training for for Drago and rocky for went to the woods? Running in the snow carrying logs and shit I

Speaker 2: think It makes me feel weird just even saying it in the I'm coming video.

Speaker 0: Damn it. Damn it. I don't know another way to say it. That's what

Speaker 2: she said. This is crazy.

Speaker 0: Where you at though?

Speaker 2: This is the video. By the way, that's

Speaker 1: what she said. That's what

Speaker 0: she said.

Speaker 2: And the 1 that he did though it's like an axe in a in a in a tree stump in the background yeah did you notice that

Speaker 1: no I didn't notice

Speaker 2: that yeah bro I don't

Speaker 1: probably out there chopping wood yeah I don't know look at him

Speaker 0: I'm coming I I'm coming! It is fucking weird. It's like, I guess I wear the axe.

Speaker 2: I might have been high when I said it. It could have just been that post right there.

Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see an axe. He's a strange cat, man. That's a strange cat.

Speaker 2: That was just like, yeah, I don't know, man. I'm coming.

Speaker 1: Did you think he's next? Have they had any conversations with you about who's gonna be your first title defense? As the champion of the fucking world.

Speaker 2: Woo! Sounds good, John.

Speaker 1: Sounds good, right? Sounds real fucking good. And you earned the fuck out of that, too.

Speaker 2: Yeah, man. It was, yeah, bro, Glover was tough, man.

Speaker 1: Oh, he's so tough.

Speaker 2: Like, y'all said that, right? I think we need to put a little bit more emphasis on it. Because like, it's not just that he's tough, he's tough, he's tough, and while he's being tough, he's still fighting intelligently. You get what I'm saying? So like for not 1 second did I hit him with something and it was like oh shit, I was like oh I don't wanna get hit with whatever's next, cover up, you know what I mean?

Like that 1 like oh I need to find protection type, he never did that, you know? And that was just like crazy, because it was 1 sequence, I think it was in the third where I hit him with right hand, right hand, elbow, left hand. It's like At no point was he like, oh shit, I need to cover up. Or anything, because I mean, I finished you at that point.

Speaker 1: But it's like, bro. That was in the ground and pound sequence. Yeah, when you're on top of him. That was so close. A lot of referees would have stopped it.

A lot of referees would have stopped it there. I mean, you were dropping bombs on him, but yeah, he kept moving kept moving. He kept trying to wait He's a

Speaker 2: quick way to kick me in the face From

Speaker 1: the bottom.

Speaker 2: Yeah, he grabbed my arm or pulled me like he's gonna try to pull me in his guard And then when I went in as soon as I like so obviously to not go in you gotta sit up I set up he kicked me in the face.

Speaker 1: He's a crafty fella.

Speaker 2: Yeah, man.

Speaker 1: I think his time with Alex Pajero really improved him too, towards the very end of his career, when he started training with Alex. Because there's something about having that dude in camp with him and he's on the run for the middleweight title that it all came together. Some of his last fights were some of his best. The Jan Bohovic fight, the Yuri Prohaska fight. Those are fucking great fights, man.

Speaker 2: Yeah, he's harder to hit clean than I thought.

Speaker 1: Cause he turns his face, rolls

Speaker 2: with stuff. Yeah, a little bit of that, but it's like, it's his hands, right? So he definitely learns from the people that he fights because he was definitely doing a little John Jones to me. You know, the little, like, gonna kind of poke his hands out and he watched it a couple times where, like, I wanted to follow up with some shots, with some combos, but the way he was, like, blocking, he's, like, going like this, or, like, putting his elbow up like this, kind of, like, poking his fingers, like, jibbing his fingers, like, towards my, like, face. So.

Yeah, that's a

Speaker 1: weird gray area, right? You know cuz John poked

Speaker 2: a lot of people in the eyes, you

Speaker 1: know I'm sure he didn't mean to do it, but that style of doing it like that, of having the hands out, especially when you're as long as John, it's a very gray area, you're not supposed to do that.

Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you're not supposed to do it, but it's done. It's done, it's done, it's done quite a bit. Especially like whenever you see somebody get hit with something like solid, and they start to kind of get crowded and they want to get some space, or they want to try to really keep you from coming for it, that's the first thing they do.

Speaker 1: Yeah. What could be done about that though, the eye pokes? The only thing that I think is a change of the gloves. They have to figure out something to make a better glove that doesn't encourage your hands to be open. You know, I mean we talked about this before, but Trevor Whitman, you know, a Gates' trainer, he's got a way better glove.

He makes his own material, Onyx, he makes his own gloves and shin pads, and they're fucking top notch. But he made a better glove, and I don't know why the UFC's not using it. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if they have to get it approved by the commissions I don't know what the deal is, but it's a far superior glove.

Speaker 2: It's gonna affect the grappling.

Speaker 1: Yeah No, no, it doesn't but it keeps your hand curved Like the natural state of it is to have your hand in a curved position Versus open with the UFC gloves You put those on your hand wants to be open and you have to kind of close it and tighten it down With with his gloves it starts out in a folded position. It's much easier. So even if you were extending your hand, you would extend it like you would if you had a boxing glove on. I just think there's gotta be something. There's so many fucking eye pokes.

Me and you guys both poked each other in that fight accidentally.

Speaker 2: The only difference is when I poked him in the eye, it helped him. Because That knee I caught him with, right in the sternum, right before that, if I actually am able to put the frame on him like I want to, he's eating a head kick. You know what I mean? So, yeah, I say, me, whenever I poke, whenever he poke me in the eye though, I was on his ass. I was on his ass.

Speaker 0: I was

Speaker 2: on his ass. I think I just landed like uppercut. Yeah, I just landed like an uppercut. I was right after the Lil Weeve sequence. It was smooth.

Speaker 1: How many times you watched it? How many times you watched it?

Speaker 2: I watched it a few times. I watched it a few times. I watched it a few times. It was just, It was just 1 little sequence in the beginning. Towards the end of the first round, where it was just...

I remember it happening in the fight, but I wanted to see how it looked on camera. And it was... It was all right.

Speaker 1: Pretty smooth.

Speaker 2: It was all right.

Speaker 1: Oh listen, it was a very good performance. It was very, you were very crafty. That was the thing about the fight that I really enjoyed is like watching your setups and all your feints and luring them in and the way you're moving in and out like it was very... Because I had seen all that in other fights but with all the stakes on the line in Brazil fighting for the title and I think you were at your best I really do.

Speaker 2: I rise to the occasion I really lock in like you know I understand I understand the situation I understand the moment so that's why I worked so hard to get to it And then I trust the work that I put in. So at that point, it's just I do what you

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