Taken from JRE MMA Show #137:
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It's an exciting time for the welterweight division too.

You know, with you having that beef with Leon, and Leon now having retained the title, and they're talking about Colby, but I feel like with a good showing against Gilbert,

And Leon wants it, you know, more than anything.

Just for the history that we have, and also we're gonna sell the most pay-per-views if me and him are in that cage.

What did you think about the rematch, the rubber fight with Leon and Camaro?

And, Usman, maybe, like, there was times where I didn't see him, like, stepping on the gas like he usually does.

And it might have been because he just took this fight too early.

I always think that when a fighter gets knocked out, you really, and I got this from the old timers in boxing, you need to really let your brain and your confidence heal and come back.

Because then you get back in and you get touched and you're like, whoa, I might get knocked out.

And you pull the brakes and you start maybe second guessing yourself.

So I think maybe he took it a little bit too early.

I do think that he's in a way a better fighter than Leon in a lot of aspects.

But Leon just has his number, it seems right now.

Well, Leon was also super confident coming into that fight.

You know, I feel like once a guy becomes the champion, they gain confidence and they gain ability.

Because they just have this understanding of what they're capable of doing.

And the fact that it was in England, it was...

And he had the title, and he knocked them out.

You just don't know how a guy's gonna come back after his first KO loss.

How long after the Camaro fight did you take off?

Close to like 8 to 9 months, maybe even longer, you know?

Plus, it was like the first KO of my career, you know?

So, More so on like, not my body was already healed, my brain, but they wanted to make sure that my mind was right.

I want to fucking rip Usman's fucking brains out.

Nothing personal, I just want to get back in there and do it to him.

I've never been knocked out and I've fought in a lot.

You know, we were talking about earlier, Yves Edwards, I've fought great strikers, and they never even came close to knocking me out.

And it's not the disillusionment, but he's not, I don't put him in the league of 1 of these great strikers.

He's a great fighter, because he can do a lot of things well.

But after fighting him the first time and getting his best shots and I cut 20 pounds of water and I took the fight in 6 day notice and I went to Abu Dhabi, I was like, bro, this guy will never hurt me.

Like, he hits like a bitch and then all of a sudden he's a dude that knocks you down.

So for in that, I think it was 9 months since the first fight, that he gained that type of power was just nuts to me.

It was like unreal, unnatural, because I felt his fucking best punches in the first fight for 5 rounds and never hurt me, never, like, shook me up good, you know?

And then boom, surprise hit in the second fight.

So, do you think it was a matter of you not respecting his power, and on top of that, him just getting better?

I always respect anybody who has 2 hands and 2 feet.

So it's not like I'm trying to do like, touch me in the chin and I'll give a shot to take a shot.

Definitely caught me by surprise when he started to load up, I kind of saw like the back of his head.

So I thought for sure he's going to shoot.

So I start to like drop my hands and I notice like midway.

Oh, it's a right hand I try to check hook him, but it's too late already that the right hand already Penetrated the force field and took my ass out, you know

Yeah, it's it's a moment that happens to many fighters and it defines who they are, how they bounce back from it.

I feel my mind after that fight maybe, I'm not gonna lie, I went into a dark place for a while because like I said, I'd never been knocked out.

Like, bro, this guy's the 1 that fucking literally knocked me out.

It wasn't like you stopped it early or nothing.

I know in my heart of hearts this guy fucking knocked me out and for me to think Usman's the 1 that knocked me out, I never would have betted that this guy would knock me out.

So it affected me, bro, bad, you know what I'm saying?

Just listen to Jordan Peterson That's my dude right there for many many years.

I've never met him I haven't got a chance, but I'm actually by coincidence He's in Florida April 9th, and I'm like doing everything in my power to make sure that I'm there like right after my fight I'm gonna go he's gonna have a conference down in

He's gonna be in Florida, so I was like, bro, I gotta go.

I just wanna sit in the crowd and listen to this dude.

I've been listening to him for years on YouTube and stuff.


Speaker 0: The Jerogan experience.

Speaker 1: It's an exciting time for the welterweight division too. You know, with you having that beef with Leon, and Leon now having retained the title, and they're talking about Colby, but I feel like with a good showing against Gilbert,

Speaker 0: you skip

Speaker 1: the line. It becomes.

Speaker 0: And Leon wants it, you know, more than anything. He wants it more than anything. Just for the history that we have, and also we're gonna sell the most pay-per-views if me and him are in that cage.

Speaker 1: It'll sell a lot. It'll sell a lot. It'll be a big fight. It's gonna be a gigantic fight. What did you think about the rematch, the rubber fight with Leon and Camaro?

Speaker 0: Little lackluster, you know? And, Usman, maybe, like, there was times where I didn't see him, like, stepping on the gas like he usually does. And it might have been because he just took this fight too early. I always think that when a fighter gets knocked out, you really, and I got this from the old timers in boxing, you need to really let your brain and your confidence heal and come back. Because then you get back in and you get touched and you're like, whoa, I might get knocked out.

And you pull the brakes and you start maybe second guessing yourself. So I think maybe he took it a little bit too early. I do think that he's in a way a better fighter than Leon in a lot of aspects. But Leon just has his number, it seems right now.

Speaker 1: Well, Leon was also super confident coming into that fight. You know, I feel like once a guy becomes the champion, they gain confidence and they gain ability. Because they just have this understanding of what they're capable of doing. And the fact that it was in England, it was...

Speaker 0: And he had the title, and he knocked them out.

Speaker 1: So it's like, you know,

Speaker 0: a lot of factors. You just don't know how a guy's gonna come back after his first KO loss. And it was a bad 1, it was a brutal 1. Usman was down for a bit.

Speaker 1: How long after the Camaro fight did you take off?

Speaker 0: Close to like 8 to 9 months, maybe even longer, you know? All my coaches wanted me. Plus, it was like the first KO of my career, you know? So, More so on like, not my body was already healed, my brain, but they wanted to make sure that my mind was right.

Speaker 1: Yeah. How long did it take you to get over it?

Speaker 0: I still haven't got over it, brother. I want to fucking rip Usman's fucking brains out. Nothing personal, I just want to get back in there and do it to him. I've never been knocked out and I've fought in a lot. You know, we were talking about earlier, Yves Edwards, I've fought great strikers, and they never even came close to knocking me out.

And it's not the disillusionment, but he's not, I don't put him in the league of 1 of these great strikers. He's a great fighter, because he can do a lot of things well. But after fighting him the first time and getting his best shots and I cut 20 pounds of water and I took the fight in 6 day notice and I went to Abu Dhabi, I was like, bro, this guy will never hurt me. Like, he hits like a bitch and then all of a sudden he's a dude that knocks you down. I had 5 rounds with him.

So for in that, I think it was 9 months since the first fight, that he gained that type of power was just nuts to me. It was like unreal, unnatural, because I felt his fucking best punches in the first fight for 5 rounds and never hurt me, never, like, shook me up good, you know? And then boom, surprise hit in the second fight.

Speaker 1: So, do you think it was a matter of you not respecting his power, and on top of that, him just getting better?

Speaker 0: I always respect anybody who has 2 hands and 2 feet. So it's not like I'm trying to do like, touch me in the chin and I'll give a shot to take a shot. Definitely caught me by surprise when he started to load up, I kind of saw like the back of his head. So I thought for sure he's going to shoot. So I start to like drop my hands and I notice like midway.

Oh, it's a right hand I try to check hook him, but it's too late already that the right hand already Penetrated the force field and took my ass out, you know

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a moment that happens to many fighters and it defines who they are, how they bounce back from it.

Speaker 0: Yeah. You know? Oh, and I'm coming strong, man. I feel my mind after that fight maybe, I'm not gonna lie, I went into a dark place for a while because like I said, I'd never been knocked out. It was just fucking nuts to me.

Like, bro, this guy's the 1 that fucking literally knocked me out. Like, I was out cold. It wasn't like you stopped it early or nothing. I know in my heart of hearts this guy fucking knocked me out and for me to think Usman's the 1 that knocked me out, I never would have betted that this guy would knock me out. So it affected me, bro, bad, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: Do you ever go to a sports psychologist

Speaker 0: I? Just listen to Jordan Peterson That's my dude right there for many many years. I've never met him I haven't got a chance, but I'm actually by coincidence He's in Florida April 9th, and I'm like doing everything in my power to make sure that I'm there like right after my fight I'm gonna go he's gonna have a conference down in

Speaker 1: I'll connect you guys.

Speaker 0: Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I'll connect you guys.

Speaker 0: Oh yeah.

Speaker 1: For sure. He's a great guy.

Speaker 0: He's gonna be in Florida, so I was like, bro, I gotta go. I just wanna sit in the crowd and listen to this dude. I've been listening to him for years on YouTube and stuff.

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