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You talk about the power, the emotional power of sports, right?

My family and I were sitting and watching the World Cup Final and we had...

The extent to which we were emotionally vested in Messi winning the World Cup can only demonstrate the beauty of sports, right?

Because here's a guy that, we've never met him.

it's life and death for us that he should, I mean it was so harrowing, I don't know if you watched the game, that at 1 point my son who's 11 years old said, I can't watch this anymore, I'm going to have a heart attack.

That's the power of sports, that it can pull us in and it can make us truly tribal.

And in my case, before you interject, it was kind of driven, my desire for him to win was driven by really a purity strand.

It was that it seemed cosmically unjust For the greatest soccer player of all time to not have won the World Cup So when he won it to me, it seemed like the world is right beauty has won

And I should add What a guy right humble Sweet family, man

What's fascinating to me is as happy as they are, the people on the other team that were rooting for the other team, they're devastated right now.

can get so attached to what's happening that a loss is like really a loss Yeah, can't believe we fucking lost Kansas City

Well in in my first book ever 2007 evolution basic consumption I talk about studies that not my studies I was citing other works that looked at what happens to the testosterone levels of Fans as a function of whether their team wins or loses,

Well, it's been tested you just take salivary assays of fans as their team is

losing You can get the testosterone levels from that.

Yeah, and so but now what it's not surprising as you would know as a fighter that if you and I fight and you defeat me, your testosterone level goes up, my testosterone level goes down.

Except what's happening here is that there is a vicarious endocrinological response.

The fans are having the same increases in their testosterone levels or decreases as a function of their team winning or not.

And that shows you why we become so bonded to our favorite players and so on.

We are really going through this battle with them.

Yeah, that's, it's really the case with fighters.

When people have a fighter that they're really a giant fan of and that person gets Beaten a devastating man.

There's even studies by the way that have looked at What happens to sexual behavior of fans after their team wins or loses?

So if, let's say, if your wife is upset that you haven't been producing in the bedroom, she should pray that the husband's favorite team wins because if he wins he has an increase in testosterone level, increases their libidinal drive,

It's just Attaching so much of your own emotions to something completely out of control and just rooting on it.

Exactly But do you have a fan in any sport where you've ever been dad vested in

There was 1 time I Remember when I was a kid I was a giant fan of Donald Curry Donald Curry was the welterweight boxing champion at the time and he had a rivalry with this other guy Milton McCrory and Donald Curry knocked him out.

He became like my favorite boxer and then Donald Curry.

He got beat by this guy Lloyd Hunnigan it was a devastating loss Like people couldn't believe Lloyd Hunnigan beat Donald Curry.

And it was like Donald Curry might be on the downslide, but I was still like a giant fan of his.

And then Donald Curry fought Mike McCallum and Mike McCallum hit him with a left hook to the body and a left hook to the chin and put him out.

Like out cold, and I couldn't believe it.

And I ran, here it is right here, I ran out of the house, watch this, boom.

The 1 with the black shorts is your guy, right?

It was like he goes with a right hand and then a left hook behind it But he just he KO'd KO'd Donald Curry and I couldn't believe it.

I couldn't stay home I couldn't deal with it.

I went running in the snow And I ran I know what I was in the snow I'm thinking of another story.

There's another time when someone lost I went running in the snow I don't think it was in the snow.

It was warm I don't what I don't remember but I remember I went running And as I'm running and I'm running down the road, I'm thinking to myself I am never gonna be this invested in someone else winning or losing ever again.

They called him His isn't what was his nickname something Cobra?

Forget what his Nickname was But his his technique was so Chris Lone Star Cobra Lone Star Cobra.

Hey, he was out of Fort Worth and His technique was so sharp I just really I always admired guys who were able to find like the shortest path to connecting with a shot.

Where it's just like the technique is so dialed in.

There's guys that like, Gervonta Davis is like that.

Their technique's so dialed in that when you watch them uncork it's like, oh my god, the efficiency of it.

And so I was just a giant fan of the guy I just loved as a person who like really enjoyed technique.

I recently put I don't maybe a few months ago.

I put out a sort of a hypothetical what if scenario where I, I think this was on Twitter, where I asked people who follow me, would I be able to step on an NFL field and under any circumstance simply get a single yard as a running back.

So in other words, now for example, if I go into a boxing ring with someone, the only way I'm going to survive is if I keep running around long enough because the singular time that they hit me, I'm unlikely to be able to withstand

If I play basketball, I think I have enough skills that I can receive the ball and pass it off to someone.

And so Then I started thinking, what about other sports?

Could the average person who doesn't play that sport survive long enough to do something?

I'm obviously not going to get 100 yards, but a single yard, what are your thoughts?

I thought, maybe I was being presumptuous, maybe now I'm an old guy, But I thought that it could be possible for the front line To make enough of a hole for me to run through for 1 yard And I would just draw I just need to get a single yard

and but a lot of people thought there is no chance that that would happen because they would catch you in there in The backfield they would tackle you and then you would die

But if the defense is so strong that they can just create a small enough opening for you to go 1 yard, I think that's reasonable.

Especially since I've lost so much weight, at least before I looked like a linebacker, a fat linebacker.

Yeah, that was, you don't want that happening to you.

This is the running back trying to get the ball to get 1 yard.

Oh my god Yeah, that's 1 of 5 guys that are gonna try to stop you from doing

old So Jamie's in the camp of I'm not getting a single yard.

But it is possible that the defense could have prevented that if the defense is extraordinary and the guys are on point.

And there's, you know, games, Things happen, right?

People are trying to control things and people are charging forward.

It's possible that there's an opening just big enough for anyone to get 3 yards.

Do you think you could step on a soccer field and look anything short of a complete moron?

I actually saw you recently, and I was really delighted to hear that, where you were singing the praises of how fit soccer players are.

Oh my God, we went to see the games here in Austin, And when you watch professionals, first of all, here's 1 reason why soccer is problematic for television.

so there's no breaks like, you know, we'll be right back with another word from Nabisco There's none of that So if you have commercials Like you have to interrupt the play of the game Yeah And then people have to catch up and then it's not what is it not live now?

Or you're gonna like have half of a commercial and half of the game.

Cuz they don't stop they just keep going and you have to be insanely fit Those guys look like thoroughbreds like their legs were just fucking shredded.

So there was a study a few years ago I can't cite what it was, but I looked at who were the fittest athletes number 1 was soccer

be you know what number 2 was no squash players

I'm guessing because there are a lot of those very, very quick accelerations that you have to engage in to be able to get, the ball is very dead, right?

so you really have to have this incredible quickness to be able to, so I- What

a weird thing for an elite athlete to choose.

You know, I tried to play it, I got very claustrophobic.

I'm being serious, cause- Let me see what it

Racquetball, the ball has a lot more give.

I was just trying to look, I found Other sports that sound like they would be more but I didn't find it on a scientific study.

My wife has been trying to get me into pickleball.

Well apparently there's a whole craze of pickleball now, because it's not quite as difficult as tennis.

It looks like a lot of damage to the knees, son.

A lot of fucking explosive movements for old guys like us.


Speaker 0: The Joe Rogan Experience.

Speaker 1: December 18th, 2022, World Cup Final. You talk about the power, the emotional power of sports, right? My family and I were sitting and watching the World Cup Final and we had... The extent to which we were emotionally vested in Messi winning the World Cup can only demonstrate the beauty of sports, right? Because here's a guy that, we've never met him.

We're not Argentinian, Right? He doesn't know that we're alive. Right, right, right.

Speaker 0: And yet

Speaker 1: it's life and death for us that he should, I mean it was so harrowing, I don't know if you watched the game, that at 1 point my son who's 11 years old said, I can't watch this anymore, I'm going to have a heart attack. That's the power of sports, that it can pull us in and it can make us truly tribal. And in my case, before you interject, it was kind of driven, my desire for him to win was driven by really a purity strand. It was that it seemed cosmically unjust For the greatest soccer player of all time to not have won the World Cup So when he won it to me, it seemed like the world is right beauty has won

Speaker 0: Look at that's awesome.

Speaker 1: And I should add What a guy right humble Sweet family, man

Speaker 0: What's fascinating to me is as happy as they are, the people on the other team that were rooting for the other team, they're devastated right now. That's the weird thing about sports.

Speaker 1: Yeah, you

Speaker 0: can get so attached to what's happening that a loss is like really a loss Yeah, can't believe we fucking lost Kansas City

Speaker 1: Well in in my first book ever 2007 evolution basic consumption I talk about studies that not my studies I was citing other works that looked at what happens to the testosterone levels of Fans as a function of whether their team wins or loses,

Speaker 0: of course

Speaker 1: Well, it's been tested you just take salivary assays of fans as their team is

Speaker 0: losing You can get the testosterone levels from that. Yeah.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and so but now what it's not surprising as you would know as a fighter that if you and I fight and you defeat me, your testosterone level goes up, my testosterone level goes down.

Speaker 0: Like a video game.

Speaker 1: Like a video game. Except what's happening here is that there is a vicarious endocrinological response. The fans are having the same increases in their testosterone levels or decreases as a function of their team winning or not. That's quite extraordinary. And that shows you why we become so bonded to our favorite players and so on.

We are really going through this battle with them.

Speaker 0: Yeah, that's, it's really the case with fighters. When people have a fighter that they're really a giant fan of and that person gets Beaten a devastating man. Oh, it's all heartbreaking

Speaker 1: There's even studies by the way that have looked at What happens to sexual behavior of fans after their team wins or loses? So if, let's say, if your wife is upset that you haven't been producing in the bedroom, she should pray that the husband's favorite team wins because if he wins he has an increase in testosterone level, increases their libidinal drive,

Speaker 0: and

Speaker 1: so we're animals.

Speaker 0: It's just Attaching so much of your own emotions to something completely out of control and just rooting on it.

Speaker 1: Exactly But do you have a fan in any sport where you've ever been dad vested in

Speaker 0: well? There was 1 time I Remember when I was a kid I was a giant fan of Donald Curry Donald Curry was the welterweight boxing champion at the time and he had a rivalry with this other guy Milton McCrory and Donald Curry knocked him out. He became like my favorite boxer and then Donald Curry. He got beat by this guy Lloyd Hunnigan it was a devastating loss Like people couldn't believe Lloyd Hunnigan beat Donald Curry. And it was like Donald Curry might be on the downslide, but I was still like a giant fan of his.

And then Donald Curry fought Mike McCallum and Mike McCallum hit him with a left hook to the body and a left hook to the chin and put him out. Like out cold, and I couldn't believe it. And I ran, here it is right here, I ran out of the house, watch this, boom.

Speaker 1: So the, out cold. The 1 with the black shorts is your guy, right?

Speaker 0: The guy down is my guy.

Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

Speaker 0: So I misremembered it. It wasn't a left hook to the body. It was like he goes with a right hand and then a left hook behind it But he just he KO'd KO'd Donald Curry and I couldn't believe it. And so I put up my running shoes. I couldn't stay home I couldn't deal with it.

I couldn't deal with it. I went running in the snow And I ran I know what I was in the snow I'm thinking of another story. There's another time when someone lost I went running in the snow I don't think it was in the snow. It was warm I don't what I don't remember but I remember I went running And as I'm running and I'm running down the road, I'm thinking to myself I am never gonna be this invested in someone else winning or losing ever again. I was so Devastated that he lost.

Speaker 1: What what was the bond? What what why why technique

Speaker 0: technique was perfect? He was crisp like he was coiled. They called him His isn't what was his nickname something Cobra?

Speaker 1: Here comes Jamie I

Speaker 0: Forget what his Nickname was But his his technique was so Chris Lone Star Cobra Lone Star Cobra. Hey, he was out of Fort Worth and His technique was so sharp I just really I always admired guys who were able to find like the shortest path to connecting with a shot. Where it's just like the technique is so dialed in. There's guys that like, Gervonta Davis is like that. Their technique's so dialed in that when you watch them uncork it's like, oh my god, the efficiency of it.

And so I was just a giant fan of the guy I just loved as a person who like really enjoyed technique. I watch him someone is exceptional on it

Speaker 1: I recently put I don't maybe a few months ago. I put out a sort of a hypothetical what if scenario where I, I think this was on Twitter, where I asked people who follow me, would I be able to step on an NFL field and under any circumstance simply get a single yard as a running back. So in other words, now for example, if I go into a boxing ring with someone, the only way I'm going to survive is if I keep running around long enough because the singular time that they hit me, I'm unlikely to be able to withstand

Speaker 0: that.

Speaker 1: So I'm gone, right? If I play basketball, I think I have enough skills that I can receive the ball and pass it off to someone. And so Then I started thinking, what about other sports? Could the average person who doesn't play that sport survive long enough to do something? I'm obviously not going to get 100 yards, but a single yard, what are your thoughts?

I thought, maybe I was being presumptuous, maybe now I'm an old guy, But I thought that it could be possible for the front line To make enough of a hole for me to run through for 1 yard And I would just draw I just need to get a single yard

Speaker 0: That's possible

Speaker 1: and but a lot of people thought there is no chance that that would happen because they would catch you in there in The backfield they would tackle you and then you would die

Speaker 0: Well, they probably could do that too. That could happen as well. But if the defense is so strong that they can just create a small enough opening for you to go 1 yard, I think that's reasonable. It would suck for you though, dude. They're going to pile on top of you.

You're never going to be the same again.

Speaker 1: Especially since I've lost so much weight, at least before I looked like a linebacker, a fat linebacker.

Speaker 0: Yeah, that was, you don't want that happening to you. What was that? What just happened there? Watch, watch, watch again. Watch this guy.

This is the running back trying to get the ball to get 1 yard. Watch this

Speaker 1: No

Speaker 0: His helmets off and he's hurt. Oh my god Yeah, that's 1 of 5 guys that are gonna try to stop you from doing

Speaker 1: old So Jamie's in the camp of I'm not getting a single yard. There's a

Speaker 0: lot of other variables. But it is possible that the defense could have prevented that if the defense is extraordinary and the guys are on point. And there's, you know, games, Things happen, right? People are trying to control things and people are charging forward. It's possible that there's an opening just big enough for anyone to get 3 yards.

Right. Or 1 yard, rather, 3 feet.

Speaker 1: Do you think you could step on a soccer field and look anything short of a complete moron?

Speaker 0: No, no, impossible.

Speaker 1: I actually saw you recently, and I was really delighted to hear that, where you were singing the praises of how fit soccer players are.

Speaker 0: Oh my God, we went to see the games here in Austin, And when you watch professionals, first of all, here's 1 reason why soccer is problematic for television. They don't get breaks

Speaker 1: Yeah,

Speaker 0: so there's no breaks like, you know, we'll be right back with another word from Nabisco There's none of that So if you have commercials Like you have to interrupt the play of the game Yeah And then people have to catch up and then it's not what is it not live now? Or you're gonna like have half of a commercial and half of the game. Like what are you gonna do? Yeah, how are you gonna do that? Cuz they don't stop they just keep going and you have to be insanely fit Those guys look like thoroughbreds like their legs were just fucking shredded.

Speaker 1: So there was a study a few years ago I can't cite what it was, but I looked at who were the fittest athletes number 1 was soccer

Speaker 0: It has to

Speaker 1: be you know what number 2 was no squash players

Speaker 0: Why

Speaker 1: I'm guessing because there are a lot of those very, very quick accelerations that you have to engage in to be able to get, the ball is very dead, right?

Speaker 0: And

Speaker 1: so you really have to have this incredible quickness to be able to, so I- What

Speaker 0: a weird thing for an elite athlete to choose.

Speaker 1: Jamie, can we

Speaker 0: check the rankings of the- What, I don't

Speaker 1: even really think

Speaker 0: I could describe squash.

Speaker 1: You know, I tried to play it, I got very claustrophobic. Really? I'm being serious, cause- Let me see what it

Speaker 0: looks like. Well, I was, okay. Show me a squash game. It's like a racquetball, right?

Speaker 1: No, but with a ball that's more dead. Racquetball, the ball has a lot more give. It bounces more.

Speaker 0: I was just trying to look, I found Other sports that sound like they would be more but I didn't find it on a scientific study.

Speaker 1: My wife has been trying to get me into pickleball. What are our thoughts about that? I hear people like it. Have I just lost

Speaker 0: a few testosterone points? No, come on man, people like pickleball.

Speaker 1: Well apparently there's a whole craze of pickleball now, because it's not quite as difficult as tennis. You don't have to cover as much ground. It's still a racket game.

Speaker 0: It looks like a lot of damage to the knees, son. That's what I'm looking at right there.

Speaker 1: In terms of squash, we're talking?

Speaker 0: You're running around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of fucking explosive movements for old guys like us.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah

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