Taken from JRE #2022 w/Jeremy Gerber, Phil Gerber, and Josh Henning:
https://open.spotify.com/episode/62tozdFpzt1iSmia1KlCfm?si=df7095750c48439e

Do you think we're ever going to come to a time in this country where internal combustion engines are outlawed?

I think you're going to see that come full circle.

Outlawed or gone away because alcohol was outlawed as well.

Take California out of the equation though.

It's crazy You can't buy new internal combustion engines after

20 something other states fixing to adopt it the

same way because you can do it without a vote

I really don't I don't think there's enough minerals in the ground I don't think they just the mining alone That would have to happen and the reality of what happens in that mining Like people you need to understand what they're talking about They're talking about batteries like the us this idea that batteries just come from ferries And that's now all the sudden you have this like 0 carbon impact vehicle like that's nonsense That's complete total nonsense you you're ignoring the entire supply

Process of what it takes to make that what is it people that they don't they won't recognize that they don't want to recognize that

Some people didn't know about it until I had this guy on my podcast, Siddharth Kaura, who wrote a book about it and he went to the Congo to show these illegal mines, like what they're doing.

But they have children working in these mines.

They have women working in these mines with babies on their back and they're mining toxic cobalt and This stuff is I mean, there's no protection It's no safety these people are like chipping this shit out of the ground and that's a good percentage of all the cobalt that's involved in electronics and batteries and cell phones and all the things that we need and It's not very publicized It's it's this man exposed it and he risked his life to do it and He wrote a great book about it and the podcast was, it was insane, like listening to his story and how he risked his life to get this footage.

And there was several times where there was men with guns and he got questioned and he had a bunch of people that were helping him, but He got out of there eventually with this reality that everybody now is faced with.

It's like this is how they get the stuff that you need to run your cell phone.

Like stop thinking that you have 0 impact.

If you're buying this, you're contributing to this.

And we don't want to keep our fucking heads buried in the ground and pretend it's not happening.

And to say that everything has to be electronic, like slow down, where is this coming from?

What are the conditions like in the places where these people have to put your phone together?

Foxconn has nets around the building because people were jumping off.

Yeah, where they make iPhones They They put nets around the building because so many people are committing suicide So instead windows they're working Constantly they work constantly they sleep there

beds underneath their desks or their work areas It

was sleep underneath work Sleep work show

on the boys are listening It could be worse

You know how wild that is like if you're gonna jump off a building you can't do it here Get out of here, or if you do you better have good aim man.

How do you explain that to people like when you're walking executives into the building?

We've had a huge bird problem We've had a huge bird probably

how crazy that is you've had so many people commit suicide and your solution is put nets around the building Those people just go up to the top floor, fuck this, bang.

You gotta get to the roofs and do maintenance.

There's just gotta be better representation of both sides so that people understand.

Well really we should be making phones in America.

And they should be American made with American wages where people get health and dental and all the stuff you're supposed to get and you have a living wage.

And if your phone costs a little more to do that and if I've Apple makes a little less that's how it's supposed to be you're not supposed to be using slave labor to do stuff and you know we don't have an ethical choice it's not like if you want to be a part of today's society You kind of have to have a smartphone if you're answering emails and doing business.

And there's not like this like very obvious ethical choice like, hey, this company only uses high paid labor.

They only work X amount of hours a day There's none of that you you you get these things and they're all manufactured overseas

If is it 2030 is the year is that what California's long?

if If they were to do that and say it was nationwide, right, and no new cars after 2035 can be, but they don't touch, I mean, obviously you're not going to

be able to do anything with what's existing.

Yeah, imagine what the cost of like a 2020 F-150 would be worth then.

You know, because- Maybe more desirable or less desirable?

I mean, there's gonna, I mean, I would assume that at least 50 something percent of the population is gonna be like, fuck that, I'm never going that, I'm gonna keep buying my gas motors, right?

Well, the thing that always is gonna be an issue with Cars is charging them takes time right so you have to sit there So if you're if you're fully out of juice, And you're on a cross-country trip how long does it take when you go to those supercharger stations to get you up to 100% again?

Yeah longer than you want to be sitting there?

Yeah, so with rising crime and having places where you know people are gonna be stuck and no security, especially in places like LA, good luck with that.

friend Eddie was telling a story the other day about he almost got robbed at a gas station and he realized These guys were coming towards him and he got out just in time He's like you know how you you've been in your car so many times that you can just You know where everything is instantly you don't have to fumble He says if that's what saved me that I just jumped in my car and sure I knew how to And I was just moving already

see that's a little bit like the net scenario though like What's the problem that we're not solving that like why the further nets?

Why are you afraid to go sit there and charge your car at the gas station?

Airline travel and the way planes are made with doing anything away with Doing electric motors on that kind of shit

There's a concept really currently being developed for a solar-powered plane I talked to a guy about it like over a year ago, and they were explaining it And they have I think they've done a bunch of test flights And they're you know about then it's gonna be able to go a long way.

I just don't know, I don't know how that works.

You know, I don't know like how much, how much range does it have, how safe is it, like you know you don't want to be an early adopter.

Like flying cars, like you see flying cars, like yeah I'm gonna sit that out.

How many people are gonna fly into trees and start forest fires

when they announced that in California wasn't like the next day They also had

an announcement for people to stop charging their

if everybody had an electric car the strain on the grid would be Monumental.

I don't know if most grids the way they're set up right now would be able to handle that like if everybody had an electric Car wouldn't that take like substantial upgrades to the grid?

You think they're worried about all of that stuff or they know that it's impossible, that's why you push it out to a, it just looks really good on the ballot.

It does look really good on the ballot, that's part of the problem, is a lot of people have these knee-jerk reactions to very complex, nuanced problems, like the environment.

Like I had Mike Baker on yesterday and we talked about this and 1 of the things he's saying like the vast majority of the pollution the carbon emissions in the world is coming from China and India.

No matter what we do, we're not gonna put a dent in what they're doing.

And there's a bunch of people that think that the way to get us out of this and the way to mitigate climate change in terms of human impact on it is actually to build up poorer communities and get them on electrical system, get nuclear power to these places or solar or something and elevate their standard of life.

You'll have less pollution, you'll have less, you'll have less, you'll definitely have less issues in terms of like health consequences, the people that live there.

And in turn, as they become more, you know, sustainable, they live a better life, their lifestyle is better, you'll have less pollution they just need it just people need to be incentivized like they need to have some sort of like There's places in the world that have no hope and they just burn tires.

like they're not thinking about The environment they're thinking about how do I get by how do I stay alive?

I'm back to your point on making stuff here.

I'm what I don't know the Numbers, but I'm wondering what if you were to say in 10 years we're requiring 90% of every single thing we use to be made in the USA right so you cut out all that air freight and all that that freight line all the shipping

huge and everybody let's talk about providing jobs

if we take if we take all that shit what does that do for the carbon footprint if we're not shipping all those freighters yeah we're building shit here

I've given you that and granted this is just me like looking at Google doing Google research but look at what I Look at what a container ship uses in fuel consumption.

It's like the equivalent of every single vehicle in the United States, like, annually.

huge dent You'd put in it by us making this shit here.

That would be a big dent that would be massive There's I mean that's obviously a long-term project unfortunately manufacturing really kind of got out of the United States when they started shipping and building cars overseas and ruined Detroit.

That Roger and Me movie, you guys ever see that?

It's a great documentary and it's about Flint, Michigan.

It's about right after they closed all the plants down and everybody just read nothing and nothing to do and just like the city collapsed and All that happened because they wanted to make shit cheaper Yeah, they wanted to pay people less and it's more profitable for them to have You know their manufacturing plants in other countries

That was that the 1 song for whitey the other day.

we went he was on the podcast and we went to he did a local show and stuff like that He's from Flint and his dad and granddad worked in the auto and he does has a song and it was told about it yeah, we were talking to him about like Michigan it came up because you know we go to shows in Michigan and Michigan's got a very like southern Redneck pocket right very it's weird because of how north it is But he talked about all the people from the south Moved up there for auto jobs and all the wages right and it just it's that area But he talked about the same thing when it when they shut it down.

I mean it just killed that fuck specifically Flint That's where he's from

It's a horrible story, and they did that because they wanted to make more money.

Imagine knowing that you're going to just destroy thousands of people's lives like instantly.

Well, on a purchasing decision, when you're going to buy something, how big, how does that weigh on you, knowing that it's made in America?

Well, I'd like to buy everything made in America, if it was possible.

I would like to buy everything made somewhere where people are paid fairly.

That's what we, that's like what should be the normal ethical exchange for everything.

If you go to a restaurant you want to know that everyone's being taken care of and paid fairly.

You know, you go to buy a car from you guys.

That's what I think I like to think about.

And the thing that bums me out is if you're buying something that you know is made by people that are essentially slaves.

I mean, the people working in Fox, what options do they have?

Is there an option to only work 8 hours a day?


Speaker 0: The Joe Rogan Experience

Speaker 1: Do you think we're ever going to come to a time in this country where internal combustion engines are outlawed?

Speaker 2: I don't think so, man. I really don't. I think you're going to see that come full circle. Just in my opinion.

Speaker 0: Outlawed or gone away because alcohol was outlawed as well.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Take California out of the equation though. I mean that

Speaker 1: but that's what they're doing. It's crazy You can't buy new internal combustion engines after

Speaker 0: 2035

Speaker 1: And I think this is like

Speaker 0: 20 something other states fixing to adopt it the

Speaker 2: same way because you can do it without a vote

Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. They did it without a vote. I don't think it makes sense. I really don't I don't think there's enough minerals in the ground I don't think they just the mining alone That would have to happen and the reality of what happens in that mining Like people you need to understand what they're talking about They're talking about batteries like the us this idea that batteries just come from ferries And that's now all the sudden you have this like 0 carbon impact vehicle like that's nonsense That's complete total nonsense you you're ignoring the entire supply

Speaker 2: Process of what it takes to make that what is it people that they don't they won't recognize that they don't want to recognize that

Speaker 1: Some people didn't know about it until I had this guy on my podcast, Siddharth Kaura, who wrote a book about it and he went to the Congo to show these illegal mines, like what they're doing. I mean, it's not illegal. There's no law, right? But they have children working in these mines. They have women working in these mines with babies on their back and they're mining toxic cobalt and This stuff is I mean, there's no protection It's no safety these people are like chipping this shit out of the ground and that's a good percentage of all the cobalt that's involved in electronics and batteries and cell phones and all the things that we need and It's not very publicized It's it's this man exposed it and he risked his life to do it and He wrote a great book about it and the podcast was, it was insane, like listening to his story and how he risked his life to get this footage.

And there was several times where there was men with guns and he got questioned and he had a bunch of people that were helping him, but He got out of there eventually with this reality that everybody now is faced with. It's like this is how they get the stuff that you need to run your cell phone. Like stop thinking that you have 0 impact. If you're buying this, you're contributing to this. We all are.

And we don't want to keep our fucking heads buried in the ground and pretend it's not happening. And to say that everything has to be electronic, like slow down, where is this coming from? Who's making it? What are the conditions like in the places where these people have to put your phone together? What are the conditions like?

Do you know? Foxconn has nets around the building because people were jumping off. What? Yeah, where they make iPhones They They put nets around the building because so many people are committing suicide So instead windows they're working Constantly they work constantly they sleep there

Speaker 3: beds underneath their desks or their work areas It

Speaker 4: was sleep underneath work Sleep work show

Speaker 1: the photo of the nets around Fox. It's Look at that Their nets are

Speaker 0: on the boys are listening It could be worse

Speaker 1: You know how wild that is like if you're gonna jump off a building you can't do it here Get out of here, or if you do you better have good aim man. You're gonna aim for there's no net

Speaker 2: How do you explain that to people like when you're walking executives into the building?

Speaker 0: We've had a huge bird problem We've had a huge bird probably

Speaker 1: how crazy that is you've had so many people commit suicide and your solution is put nets around the building Those people just go up to the top floor, fuck this, bang. I want it to be over.

Speaker 0: Just lock them like all the casinos do. Just lock the windows.

Speaker 1: You gotta get to the roofs and do maintenance.

Speaker 2: There's just gotta be better representation of both sides so that people understand.

Speaker 1: Well really we should be making phones in America. And they should be American made with American wages where people get health and dental and all the stuff you're supposed to get and you have a living wage. That's what it's supposed to be. And if your phone costs a little more to do that and if I've Apple makes a little less that's how it's supposed to be you're not supposed to be using slave labor to do stuff and you know we don't have an ethical choice it's not like if you want to be a part of today's society You kind of have to have a smartphone if you're answering emails and doing business. It's way more convenient

Speaker 0: to

Speaker 1: do that than not have 1. And there's not like this like very obvious ethical choice like, hey, this company only uses high paid labor. Everybody has insurance. There's none of that. They only work X amount of hours a day There's none of that you you you get these things and they're all manufactured overseas

Speaker 0: If is it 2030 is the year is that what California's long?

Speaker 1: I think it's 2035 from yeah

Speaker 0: if If they were to do that and say it was nationwide, right, and no new cars after 2035 can be, but they don't touch, I mean, obviously you're not going to

Speaker 2: be able to do anything with what's existing.

Speaker 0: Any of the ICE motors that are out

Speaker 2: there that's existing.

Speaker 1: It's going

Speaker 2: to be like Judge Dredd.

Speaker 0: Yeah, imagine what the cost of like a 2020 F-150 would be worth then.

Speaker 3: You know, because- Maybe more desirable or less desirable?

Speaker 0: I mean, there's gonna, I mean, I would assume that at least 50 something percent of the population is gonna be like, fuck that, I'm never going that, I'm gonna keep buying my gas motors, right?

Speaker 1: Well, the thing that always is gonna be an issue with Cars is charging them takes time right so you have to sit there So if you're if you're fully out of juice, And you're on a cross-country trip how long does it take when you go to those supercharger stations to get you up to 100% again? How long is that so a few hours?

Speaker 2: Yeah longer than you want to be sitting there?

Speaker 1: Yeah, so with rising crime and having places where you know people are gonna be stuck and no security, especially in places like LA, good luck with that.

Speaker 0: My

Speaker 1: friend Eddie was telling a story the other day about he almost got robbed at a gas station and he realized These guys were coming towards him and he got out just in time He's like you know how you you've been in your car so many times that you can just You know where everything is instantly you don't have to fumble He says if that's what saved me that I just jumped in my car and sure I knew how to And I was just moving already

Speaker 2: crazy the

Speaker 1: guy was moving towards him

Speaker 2: see that's a little bit like the net scenario though like What's the problem that we're not solving that like why the further nets? Why are you afraid to go sit there and charge your car at the gas station? Well, you're gonna get fucking robbed

Speaker 1: or sitting there.

Speaker 0: Why is nobody looking at? Airline travel and the way planes are made with doing anything away with Doing electric motors on that kind of shit

Speaker 1: There's a concept really currently being developed for a solar-powered plane I talked to a guy about it like over a year ago, and they were explaining it And they have I think they've done a bunch of test flights And they're you know about then it's gonna be able to go a long way. I just don't know, I don't know how that works. You know, I don't know like how much, how much range does it have, how safe is it, like you know you don't want to be an early adopter. Like flying cars, like you see flying cars, like yeah I'm gonna sit that out.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Keep an eye on it, you know. How many douchebags are

Speaker 1: gonna fly into power lines? How many people are gonna fly into trees and start forest fires

Speaker 3: I think that

Speaker 4: when they announced that in California wasn't like the next day They also had

Speaker 5: an announcement for people to stop charging their

Speaker 2: cars Please don't charge

Speaker 1: That's the other thing was so

Speaker 3: hot and maxed out the grid

Speaker 1: if everybody had an electric car the strain on the grid would be Monumental. I don't know if most grids the way they're set up right now would be able to handle that like if everybody had an electric Car wouldn't that take like substantial upgrades to the grid?

Speaker 2: It's just infrastructure Joe. We just

Speaker 3: Infrastructure man,

Speaker 2: I like

Speaker 1: how you saying it You're so confident

Speaker 0: You think they're worried about all of that stuff or they know that it's impossible, that's why you push it out to a, it just looks really good on the ballot.

Speaker 1: It does look really good on the ballot, that's part of the problem, is a lot of people have these knee-jerk reactions to very complex, nuanced problems, like the environment. Like I had Mike Baker on yesterday and we talked about this and 1 of the things he's saying like the vast majority of the pollution the carbon emissions in the world is coming from China and India. That's the vast majority of it. And they're not gonna change. They're not gonna change what they do.

No matter what we do, we're not gonna put a dent in what they're doing. And there's a bunch of people that think that the way to get us out of this and the way to mitigate climate change in terms of human impact on it is actually to build up poorer communities and get them on electrical system, get nuclear power to these places or solar or something and elevate their standard of life. You'll have less pollution, you'll have less, you'll have less, you'll definitely have less issues in terms of like health consequences, the people that live there. And in turn, as they become more, you know, sustainable, they live a better life, their lifestyle is better, you'll have less pollution they just need it just people need to be incentivized like they need to have some sort of like There's places in the world that have no hope and they just burn tires. They don't give a fuck

Speaker 0: right

Speaker 1: like they're not thinking about The environment they're thinking about how do I get by how do I stay alive?

Speaker 0: I'm back to your point on making stuff here. I'm what I don't know the Numbers, but I'm wondering what if you were to say in 10 years we're requiring 90% of every single thing we use to be made in the USA right so you cut out all that air freight and all that that freight line all the shipping

Speaker 4: shipping is

Speaker 1: huge and everybody let's talk about providing jobs

Speaker 0: if we take if we take all that shit what does that do for the carbon footprint if we're not shipping all those freighters yeah we're building shit here

Speaker 2: I've given you that and granted this is just me like looking at Google doing Google research but look at what I Look at what a container ship uses in fuel consumption. It's fucking insane. It's like the equivalent of every single vehicle in the United States, like, annually. Like, just

Speaker 1: back and forth.

Speaker 2: It's nuts. It seems like a

Speaker 0: huge dent You'd put in it by us making this shit here. Yeah here.

Speaker 1: That would be a big dent that would be massive There's I mean that's obviously a long-term project unfortunately manufacturing really kind of got out of the United States when they started shipping and building cars overseas and ruined Detroit. I mean, Detroit just fell apart. That Roger and Me movie, you guys ever see that?

Speaker 2: Never seen, never heard of it.

Speaker 1: You never heard of it? It's, what the fuck's his name? Jamie. Michael Moore, Michael Moore, that guy. It's a great documentary and it's about Flint, Michigan.

It's about right after they closed all the plants down and everybody just read nothing and nothing to do and just like the city collapsed and All that happened because they wanted to make shit cheaper Yeah, they wanted to pay people less and it's more profitable for them to have You know their manufacturing plants in other countries

Speaker 2: Dude, it's nuts.

Speaker 0: That was that the 1 song for whitey the other day. Yeah, you know whitey morgan

Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard the name

Speaker 0: we went he was on the podcast and we went to he did a local show and stuff like that He's from Flint and his dad and granddad worked in the auto and he does has a song and it was told about it yeah, we were talking to him about like Michigan it came up because you know we go to shows in Michigan and Michigan's got a very like southern Redneck pocket right very it's weird because of how north it is But he talked about all the people from the south Moved up there for auto jobs and all the wages right and it just it's that area But he talked about the same thing when it when they shut it down. I mean it just killed that fuck specifically Flint That's where he's from

Speaker 1: It's a horrible story, and they did that because they wanted to make more money. Imagine knowing that you're going to just destroy thousands of people's lives like instantly.

Speaker 0: I'm not like,

Speaker 1: yeah, I want to make more money.

Speaker 0: I'm not trying to put you on blast. I really want to know on a normal.

Speaker 2: Let's see where this is going.

Speaker 0: On a normal. I like

Speaker 1: how the kids say that these days. Put you on blast.

Speaker 0: Well, on a purchasing decision, when you're going to buy something, how big, how does that weigh on you, knowing that it's made in America?

Speaker 1: Well, I'd like to buy everything made in America, if it was possible. I would like to buy everything made somewhere where people are paid fairly. That's what we, that's like what should be the normal ethical exchange for everything. If you go to a restaurant you want to know that everyone's being taken care of and paid fairly. You know, you go to buy a car from you guys.

You wanna pay you for your work. It's a good exchange. That's what I think I like to think about. And the thing that bums me out is if you're buying something that you know is made by people that are essentially slaves. I mean, the people working in Fox, what options do they have?

Is there an option to only work 8 hours a day? No, it's probably not. It's probably insane. They're using young people to do it too. It's all fucking sketchy.

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