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There's no intellectualizing of it to say, well yes, I mean, you know, X is also an addiction.

You know, the only things that matter are the things that once they're said, A shiver goes through the human being.

Not that it should but if it does And that something has been impactful for a person and I don't care if it's impacted, but if it is it matters for the person But as soon as you intellectualize it and say well, You know, it didn't send a shiver down my spine, but let's just talk about it.

It's just a waste of time Will the thought process help me?

It is not about help It is not about good for you It is not about anything like that.

There is no, you should do it because it's good for you and it's healthy.

If it was good for you, then nobody would ever smoke a cigarette, and no 1 would ever do put any intoxicating substances inside them.

And so no human beings are not wired to respond to what is good for you.

That just creates empty chitchat in self-help chat rooms.

So there's no, like, I will say, okay, that's allowed, but that's not.

Is there any action that isn't a chase for pleasure or happiness?

To abstain from something is a forced abstinence.

Because it's good for you, because you shouldn't do it because it's bad.

Do you abstain from running in front of a car?

Do you abstain from jumping into a fast flowing river?

Do you abstain from taking a knife and jamming it into your elbow?

It's all, see, everything has to be, every single element of self-help must be purged like a poison from one's being if they seek the truth?

Well, you know, it isn't for me to define what addiction is.

I think once again, 1 has to be mature and 1 has to be an independent human and they have to examine these questions for themselves to see is it really something that is interfering with life?

Is it really something that they're using in a purely utilitarian fashion?

Is it really something that is, that they are honestly examining and see how it is massively damaging them or not?

I think it's returning that question back to yourself.

Why do you want to reach a wider audience without technology?

You don't see how you use the diction as the devil and you basically said your question isn't a question.

Your question is basically, listen, I want to reach a higher audience, therefore I have to use technology.

When a truth is stated to 1 particular human being, the truth will do something to him.

It'll penetrate into his heart of hearts.

And to another human being, it'll bounce off like an arrow off of steel.

But if something penetrates someone, If it enters their heart, if it speaks to them, then there's an alchemy that takes place.

If it doesn't, then intellectual questioning arises and gamesmanship arises.

And is it okay if I, all those things are just nonsense.

And the reason that human beings go there is because they have been cradled in the womb of dishonesty their entire lives by the self-help and society and the world.

And the semi-human will then bring that seminess, he will bring that conditioning into my domain.

And this is going to be the only place that you ever find in which it doesn't work.

Because in all parts of society and the world, that will work.

That's what is not only expected, it's recommended.

No, truth is beyond opinion, belief, or perspective.

In all honesty, I think that electronics are actually more useful than books, because an electronic you can use as a GPS, an electronic you can use as something that has a definite utilitarian value.

Almost all books are just full of prescriptions and concepts and nonsense.

Right, so when you say, are you saying, it is basically stating, you know, in the vernacular, it is basically stating that, am I taking a stance that I need to convince you of?

The talk that I gave was about electronic addiction and the downfall of man.

How it has completely changed human existence.

Humans now view electronics as their new home.

And there was nothing there about you should or you shouldn't but if something about that resonated with you on a personal level then it did but it had nothing to do with you know am I saying this and therefore you should you know buy into that.

Electronics were causing the downfall of men, if that's what you were saying.

Was there anything that you were pointing to directly that you could sum it up?

Hi, to a certain extent I understand the disruptive nature of electronics, but here I am.

Is that understanding sufficient for this addiction to burn itself out?

You know, I guess it depends upon how deeply the message resonates.

When a truth is stated, it depends how deeply it reaches the bloodstream.

And the deeper that it reaches the bloodstream, then that becomes something which takes 1 over, so to speak.

And as long as something becomes a doing or an activity or something that you're trying to make it happen, It doesn't work, but it's all about the resonance.

So it's, I think it's along the lines of what you're saying.

Well, to answer the question, is it a cycle that will simply continue?

I think that the most effective way to answer that question is to look back at the last 5 years and see if it's a cycle that has continued and that'll give you the answer.

Electronics addiction obviously isn't the only addiction.

So absolutely, human beings who are, for instance, addicted to alcohol, absolutely, it rips through their lives.

So yes, it's not just electronics addiction.

Electronics addiction seems to be, however, almost stealth in a way, because it is so a part of modern culture that it isn't as viewed as such.

1 talks himself into the fact that it is fundamentally necessary.

And they will sing its praises based upon all of its utilitarian values.

But it isn't because it is so common and because everyone has a third appendage called a smartphone now that it's never looked upon as an addiction in the same way that perhaps you know alcoholism might be.

One's DNA determines his susceptibility to addictions.

The only thing, the only question that remains is if 1, him or herself, considers it a downfall for them.

And I don't think 1 needs to look into society, 1 can just look at himself.

I mean, What are the ramifications of that?

You know, as long as you need me to tell you the ramifications, the less possible it will be for you to truly come upon them and realize the damage yourself.

Would you not say in all honesty that you're asking for a Justification of electronics?

Yeah, I'm trying to understand how it's it's inevitable that electronic addiction would but cause the downfall of man

And I don't think that there's any way that I can answer that question if you don't see it yourself Because then it turns into a discussion and then it turns into a debate, and then it turns into, do you not see this?

And you will say no, and I'll say, what about this and this?

And you'll say, well, yeah, but this and this, those things don't go anywhere.

That's why something is either instantly realized or it is not.

If you do not think that it has caused downfall in your life, then it is, you don't even need to stay in this room.

It doesn't even, it's not even worth mentioning.

If someone is creating art, you know, through the vehicle of software engineering, you know, there's no judgment about that.

I mean, if that's one's talent, then absolutely, Why would they not pursue it?

You know, as for the postural health, that's absolutely correct.

I mean, I think that you, I think there's gonna be, I think there already is an absolute epidemic of the ramifications of postural, the ramifications of not just bad posture, but the ongoing ramifications of bad posture.

And bad posture itself sounds so cosmetic, but there is a litany of, and there's an earthquake worth of repercussions inside the human body for sitting with one's neck forward and shoulders hunched forward and all of it.

This absolutely creates a deep and physiologic effect upon human beings and electronics are almost solely the cause of that.

That is simply 1 example, and that's a obvious bodily, physical example.

But 1 could even say, well, I can do posture exercises to overcome or to neutralize that, and that could be true.

But so that isn't the greatest cancer, though, from electronics.

The greatest cancer is that you simply don't have a life anymore.

This has become, the digital screen has become the epicenter of your existence.

Even if it didn't cause human extinction, it causes human zombification.

So, you know, If someone is on a ventilator, are they really alive?

If someone lives a plastic existence, it doesn't matter if they're dead or alive, they're already dead.

They may be biologically alive, they may have a heartbeat, and they may be alive in a clinical sense, but they're not really living.

There's no good, bad, no right, no wrong, no judgment.

No, you should get an app which monitors your smartphone time.

No, make sure that the next time you do it, you make someone call you, tell you to get off.

We're okay to die a death by a thousand cuts, but we would abstain from from sort of putting the knife directly into our heart.

And I feel like, you know, this is, I'm still like processing this and I'm wondering if, if this is the, if this is, you know, the truth of it.

You know, if you feel that you can be fulfilled, and if you feel that you are fulfilled, then that's the real question.

That's not what I think, whether someone can be fulfilled or not.

It isn't about the amount of information that a human being can process.

It's about the creativity with which human beings waste their lives.

And you don't need to take my word for it.

You can just sit back and watch the evidence.

As the years go by, human beings will become dumber and dumber.

And this is, I think this is the most degraded generation that has ever hit the face of the earth.

They know nothing unless they can use LOL.

The movies and the books they read, they don't read books.

It is a completely degraded generation of a minute that all centers around Electronics

how you would just sit idly by as Disaster Approaches

well disasters already approached and you've been settling sitting idly by

Well, I guess I didn't really see it approaching so now that I see it

right And then you have to watch what you do or don't do.

no, that's not from my definition to say, well, what is good music?

I think the human beings who listen to trash know it's trash, but it doesn't bother them.

Every other word is a curse word, but it's a trash music, right?

So what am I gonna say, listen to music that doesn't have curse words?

So come on, let's be honest, be honest with yourself and don't ever try to change yourself.

If you listen to trash, you listen to trash.

And there's no reason not to, if you wish to continue doing so.

But don't be trying to be clever and say, well, what's trash?

As if you don't know that what you listen to is trash.

Unless you have spoken to God himself, the only reason that you say that human beings are social animals is because that's what society has told you since you were born.

How do you know that human beings are social animals?

The only reason that you would say that in a verification sort of way is if you looked around and you look at human beings and they were all socializing.

Yes, human beings are doing a lot of things, but what they are doing and what they naturally are are 2 different things.

So to try to determine what a human being fundamentally is by looking at his behavior is not an adequate representation.

And it is not a proper examination of evidence.

So you have come in with a claim, a concept, which is not your own, which is not born of truth.

You don't know that a human being is a social animal.

I think it is an examination of your own propensities and the depth with which you examine and the clarity with which you realize will determine what happens as opposed to you trying to use some kind of technique to lift yourself out of it.

Those things don't work because it isn't real.

What must be realized is that everyone is like you Nobody is born with a Buddha as a father and mirror as a mother Everyone is born under The tent and the umbrella of pathology Okay, no one's no one's raised by Zen masters So it's just the degrees are different and the details are different So no 1 has taught the perfect things and their proper wisdom Because human beings when human beings become parents, they're very young and they're trying to figure themselves out.

If they are not, which the vast majority are not, it never happens.

So I think that's really the important thing to realize here.

Essentially, electronics addiction is the downfall of man because the electronics have become the center of their existence.

They only leave to go somewhere and they come back to the electronic.

The electronic has become their center, their home.

Their life is an entirely digitized life.

It is if that resonates with someone that it does and if it doesn't it doesn't.

But the idea of should I use less or should I use more or should I do some prescription that will cause me to use less because it's good for me, those things don't go anywhere.

Everything is about the individual themselves.

Groups are nonsense, they don't go anywhere.

Anytime that you're in kind of a group discussion or anytime you're in a group meeting or anytime you're in a group therapy, it's not true.

It's a game because human beings are egoistic creatures.

They will simply posture in front of the other people.

As for 1 person in particular, it isn't that they should do this or they should do that.

If they feel that electronics addiction has caused a detrimental effect to their life.

And if that feeling is sincere and genuine, that itself will create its own actions.

There's no recommendations that 1 should use less electronics and that all people should get together and make it a pact and all that nonsense.

If you, it's all about, it's all about examining your own situation.

If you feel that what you're doing is not detrimental to your life or to your existence, then there is absolutely no reason to change.

If you feel that what you are doing is purely utilitarian, If you feel that what you're doing is simply an expression of your art through the vehicle electronics Then there is in fact it would be it would not be wise to leave that because that's your art That's your that's what's in your heart.

So absolutely what it would be wise to pursue that.

If you feel that you that is polluted, however, and that you're using that as an excuse by going on electronics for nonsensical purposes that are cosmetic and don't take you anywhere and take you take time away from your life to experience life itself.

And if that resonates with you, then you will do something about that.

And by the way, as for the knowledge that you think is democratizing, most of the knowledge that you call knowledge on social media is trash.

If you Google something, if you Google, for instance, how to find peace, if you Google, for instance, what is the way to world-class performance, right?

And you get, you know, 17 million search results.

They're all gonna be, if you Google, for instance, how to become, how to not have any limits and how to, you'll get diet and exercise.

Okay, so go try that and see if the democratization of knowledge, what do you mean by knowledge?

I mean everything out there is just junk.

Everything is all prescriptive and do this and do that and 5 methods and five-step plans.

It isn't even worthy of being stated under Google.

It lessens Google to have search results of trash.

And if it was true, if it was true, you will see that if you type in how to find peace, I mean, that's been typed in a billion times.

So if the 17 million search results actually worked, then why would humans still be typing that in?

Everyone's still searching because nothing works.

There's really no prerequisites for things.

I mean if If if you if you take a particular food and that food causes you to vomit, and you're not really sure if it was that food or what exactly it was, it might have been some other food, but in order to do the test you take that same food again And it makes you vomit again You will never touch that food again And you won't have to achieve mental clarity to do so So there's no prerequisite for anything.

You know that there's no There's no high seated fancy Otherworldly thing that you have to see or to have to accomplish Before you see obvious things so If you look into your life and you find that electronics have not taken over your life, or even if you find that they have, but it doesn't bother you, so be it.

There's no good or bad, but you don't have to have any prerequisite of mental clarity.

You simply have to have the desire to actually look if you feel like looking and even looking is recommended.

It really is about observations and it is personal observations.

It is not for me to come to the conclusion and say electronics addiction is the downfall of man.

But it is not true for me to impose that upon you and say it has caused your downfall too, by the way, even though it may have.

So it isn't about you latching onto my conclusion, for instance, saying you've concluded X.

And since you have concluded X, it isn't about me.

How do you get away from a poison on your shelf?

The only reason that you need a how to get away from something is if you are not convinced that that something is causing you great harm.

If you truly recognize that it's causing you great harm, you don't need a how.

I am telling you, the single most effective thing 1 can do, only if it resonates, is to go to their backyard at a bonfire and throw every self-help and spiritual book in it.

My craft for me may be leading to imprisoning others.

It doesn't really matter because it's not good or bad.

Because if something, if it really troubles you to that degree, that what you consider your art and it is imprisoning others, then you automatically leave it.

To judge your life by others, now obviously, yeah, if you're, I mean, if you're spiking medicine with poison, it's killing people, I understand, that's obvious.

But human beings are going to find a way to poison themselves, to be honest with you, in various ways.

So I think the conscious capitalism stuff and the kumbaya stuff, and that doesn't go anywhere.

That's all just to adorn one's own self image of being a conscious capitalist person that I'm just good and I wear a white robe and it's all holier than thou nonsense.

A human being must be true to themselves, because then they will lessen their own self-conflict.

If you are true to yourself, if you are honest with yourself, you tend to have a more easy life.

You can't set an example, because you are addicted yourself.

You know, that's another poison from the self-help movement.

The greatest way to be an example is to be it, but you can't behavior your way into it.

It is far more honest and far more dignified to say that I'm not that Then it is to pretend that that 1 is it's it's all self-help poison Into the bloodstream of human beings.

Well, there's no balance that I can prescribe It's It's 1 must approach that for themselves.

There's no you should do this and 2.73 hours is good and the research has shown that 2.75 hours is bad.

No, why are you afraid of the word addiction?

Morality is just a societally created empty concept.

There's no morality, There's no go about.

It is, you know, the things that I write about, they sometimes, for a given human being, produce a sort of storm.

And they sometimes, a given human being, may begin to examine all that he or she thinks they know and come to realize they don't really know anything at all, that they are simply a repository which has been filled by society and the world of empty nonsense.

So there's no do this first and then do that next and then do that next.

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"Electronics Addiction And The Downfall Of Man" 👋 Clubhouse (Q&A Session) — 1 April 2021